GLENN: I want to bring us -- I want to bring us to a different level and a different point of view on Russia and the General Flynn story.
I don't want to dwell on "he said, she said" why this is happening. I want to dwell on the facts that we do know.
Flynn is not the first person the intelligence community has taken out of the administration. Flynn is the second. At least by my count.
Paul Manafort was the first. You remember, Paul Manafort, he has direct relations with some of the worst of the worst in the Dugin/Putin circle. And he was taken out early. And that just kind of went away.
Flynn is now -- is now out. And this is the intelligence community hopefully making sure that we're not in bed with the bad guys over in Europe. But I don't know. I don't know exactly what's going on.
We have Jason Buttrill, who is former military intelligence and chief researcher for the program, who we have been working on Dugin and Russia for, how many years?
JASON: Oh, gosh. At least two, three.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. Easy. Easy three. Maybe four.
Been watching them and warning against some of the things that are now starting to come out. And so let me just get an update from you on how you read the situation in Washington.
JASON: Well, it's funny. I got a -- I sent a tweet out, I think yesterday, a couple days ago, where I was look, "Good. You know, my boys, the intelligence community, are starting to do their job." And I got a firestorm of tweets coming back form people saying, like, "I find it hard to believe that, you know, some Obama-era appointees are joining forces to undermine Trump."
And I'm like, "No, that's not the issue. That is not the issue." This whole thing started when the intelligence community came to Trump and said, "Look, this is what's going on."
You know, they are -- we have a high probability, using the spy talk, high probability that they are involved in some of the hacking involved with the DNC and the election. There's very high probability.
But what he did was, he was listening to his advisers and said, "I don't care what you're saying. I don't care what you're saying. Basically, we've already got an agenda." Now, his mistake there was you cannot call out the intelligence community and just dismiss it because you have other policy -- you know, avenues that you're chasing. You cannot do that.
So what the intelligence community is doing, it's not because they like Obama or they're Obama appointees. What they're doing is saying, "Okay. Fine." I don't even think they necessarily think it's Trump's fault here. I don't think it is.
I think they're saying, "If you're not going to accept our intelligence, based off of the advisers you have around you, then we are going to specifically target those advisers that are giving you bad information."
This is a good thing. They're actually doing their job. Now, they don't have a responsibility to say, "We pledge unyielding allegiance to this man because he was voted in as president." That's not their job. Their job is to protect the United States and the Constitution. That is their job. And that's exactly what they're doing here. They're systematically targeting the people that are misleading and misguiding the president, and I think we should all be grateful for what they're doing.
GLENN: I am. Because that's the way I read it as well. And I -- like you said, I don't think Trump is involved at this level. I don't think he understands.
Stu and I were talking off the air a few minutes ago. Bannon does. Bannon gave a speech in Rome, where he spoke about Dugin cryptically, but he spoke about Dugin and what's going on, in glowing terms
STU: I wouldn't say it's glowing terms. I mean, he I think was aware of the danger. But overall liked the idea of -- of these movements.
GLENN: Correct. Of burn the place down to rebuild something new.
STU: And so I -- you know, it's worth seeing -- I mean, if you have time, I can tweet it out @worldofStu. But the entire thing is worth reading, if you want to look at the direction. Because Bannon has thought about this stuff for a long time. Unlike Trump who is obviously the public face of this. And, you know, he has real ability to move people and, you know, deal with the media and all those things. Where someone like Steve Bannon has been thinking about these things for a really long time in-depth and has talked about them publicly for a really long time.
So if you want to kind of see where the, you know, the movement is going or where the direction might be going behind the scenes, it's important to understand what he believes.
JASON: Yeah, and it's so important. Like you said, we pointed this out years ago. And at the time, when we pointed this out, they were like, "Who is this crazy guy that Glenn Beck is talking about? You know, this Dugin guy. And why should we care about what's going on in Europe and what Russia is doing over there?" I mean, I advise you to go back and look at some of those shows. They're still on TheBlaze: Red Storm Rising.
Go back and watch those. Because you can see, we pointed out, look, there's this guy named Aleksandr Dugin. He's an adviser to Putin. He's the one that initiated the invasion into Georgia and into the Ukraine. He's the one that was reaching out to all these far right groups over in Europe. And, again, people are like, "Why should we care?"
Well, the speech that Bannon gave, he was using the same exact lingo and language that they're using, that you'll hear Marine Le Pen using. That you'll hear Jobbik in Hungary using. All of these groups that are now -- Bannon was talking about UKIP before UKIP was even popular. This was way beyond Brexit even happened. This is way beyond Trump was even considered an actual legitimate candidate. Way beyond all that stuff. His language is exactly the same that Dugin and his group are using.
Now, during that speech, they were like, well -- and, again, you can hear these in a Dugin speech that was given I think in Hungary back in 2014, they said specifically, "There are things to be taken advantage of. There's movements in the world that we can take advantage of to seize power."
Now, they don't care if it's a far left movement. They don't care if it's a far right movement. They don't care if it's communism -- there's a rebirth of communism that's going to sweep the world. They're looking for a geopolitical advantage.
GLENN: In fact -- in fact, they don't believe in fascism, communism, and capitalism. They don't believe it. They believe there's a fourth way. And in Dugin's words, it is the combination of the best of capitalism, communism, and fascism.
JASON: Which can only happen after the rebirth, after this all burns down.
GLENN: Correct. I mean, it's very apocalyptic. It's very apocalyptic. And when you know that -- when you know that Bannon believes the whole world is going to burn down. You just want to be the guy who is standing there with the plan, you want to ask: What is your plan? What is your plan?
GLENN: And the plan is not the Constitution. It's not a reset. It is -- and I can't say for Bannon that it's this fourth political theory. But it's not the Founders theory, I can promise you that.
And we have to understand -- I've said this for years. The entire -- the rules and the borders, everything, are all being redrawn. Right now, there are people who are standing in those rooms, looking at the maps and saying, "I'll take this. You take that. You'll do this. I'll do that." Those things are happening.
And best case -- least conspiratorial model is that somebody is around the sanest leaders of the world, and they're saying, "Look, this is what's happening in some of these really dangerous areas. And, look, the banking system is about to collapse. And, look, people have unrest." You know, we might want to pull the plug ourselves. We might want to be the ones that come out and be in front of this thing because maybe we'll be able to control the events as they begin to unfold. That never works. But you would be disappointed if somebody wasn't having that conversation with the president of the United States. They are doing those things now. And unfortunately, this is why, you know, Jason has said the -- the intelligence community is doing their job. They're taking bad guys away from the president.
Now, are they really away from the president? We asked this question with Van Jones. Or do they become more powerful?
JASON: I'm -- I'm concerned.
GLENN: Your mic just went off for some reason. I don't know why. Can we get mics to work in here? It's worried. It's only a national show.
STU: Shake it or something.
GLENN: The other thing I really want to talk about on this -- no, it's not working. Jeffy, could you --
GLENN: -- give a microphone again.
The -- the -- the other thing is, Bannon is trying currently to get -- I think is trying to get rid of Reince Priebus.
STU: That is the -- I mean, when you start seeing, we have White House sources at Breitbart who are saying, "You know who needs to go is Reince Priebus." Where do you think that's coming?
GLENN: Inside sources say that Reince Priebus is not -- is next to go because there's real problems and internal squabbling over Reince.
Well, where do you think that inside source is?
STU: The guy who used to run the website, potentially.
GLENN: Yeah, I mean, maybe it would be that guy.
STU: Or one of his underlings. He has several that he's brought over there.
GLENN: Right. I mean, so the next target of the Bannon crew seems to be Reince Priebus.
GLENN: Now your mic is still not working. Please, for the love of God.
PAT: You need to turn it on.
STU: He got a new mic by the way.
GLENN: Yeah, it should be on.
STU: Yeah. Still not working?
GLENN: Tell you what, we're going to take a break. And then we're going to try this new microphone thing out.
STU: I mean, is it just possible that the audience all kind of mentally voted and they didn't want to hear more from Jason?
GLENN: It could be. It is possible.
STU: Is it possible. Okay. Okay. Good.