PAT: Is there some sad news for Rachel Dolezal? This is -- seems unfortunate.
JEFFY: Oh, no.
PAT: She is the -- you might remember, I think the Spokane NAACP chapter. She was the head of that. She was the head of it for some time. And then it was discovered, somehow, I guess somebody finally looked at her and said, "Wait a minute. You're not black." She's like, "Sure, yeah, I am. Oh, yeah, I'm way black."
And it turns out no. She has white parents. She herself is white. But she identified more as a black person, right?
PAT: And now I guess she's having a hard time getting a job.
STU: Yeah. She's jobless, on food stamps, and expects soon to be homeless. Is unclear why she just does not identify to have a home or identify to have a job.
JEFFY: Oh, no. Oh, no. She should just identify as a CEO. She would be making big money.
PAT: Big, big money.
STU: I don't know why she hasn't thought of that. But she still says she's not white. I thought that was interesting. She says, I do think I'm more complex label. Would be helpful. But we don't really have that vocabulary. Yeah, we don't have a word for what you have.
STU: There's not a -- that's true. Again, this is on us. We have not developed the vocabulary to describe the thing she is. Which, by the way, we have developed that vocabulary. It was white. We nailed it.
STU: But she says --
PAT: She's more comfortable in a different -- in a different light. Right?
STU: Exactly. She says, I feel -- I love that word. I feel like the idea of being trans black, would be much more accurate than I'm white. Because you know I'm not white. Calling myself black feels more accurate than saying I'm white.
So -- so it feels --
JEFFY: I'm sorry. Go ahead. She's just hawking her book. That's why this is such a big deal.
STU: What do you mean?
JEFFY: Her experiences in her memoir, In Full Color. So she just wants us to buy her book.
PAT: I have absolutely no interest in her book.
JEFFY: I have zero interest in that. But it talks about her views on racial identity and her experiences in her memoir, In Full Color. I was listening to her with the food stamps and being back in the news again. And she's back in the news again because she wants us to buy her book.
STU: Well, she apparently needs it. Right?
JEFFY: Right. If she's on food stamps. She's unable to get a job. This is it.
STU: I love this. If Dolezal was exposed in 2015 -- exposed as what? She's white.
She was exposed in 2015 when a local television crew asked her a simple question: Are you African-American?
That must have been an interesting moment to go up and have to ask that question. But, of course, all pictures of her being white and blond from her youth came out. And that kind of blew up her little gig at the NAACP apparently.
PAT: It sure did.
STU: Which is kind of interesting. It's weird in that that is a natural extension of what we just talked about with Chris Cuomo.
JEFFY: It sure is.
STU: Why would this be wrong? Because you can do -- you can take medications -- I mean, we've talked about the old thing with Michael Jackson, which wasn't true. But that he wanted to bleach his skin white because he wanted to be white so bad, right? You can do things to change your outer appearance. But you don't even need to, really. She, I guess, took on some of the attributes as what she thought she was. But it was a lot different than her blond-haired youth. But you can say that Chris Cuomo was on TV. If you missed it last hour, on TV, on national television, saying that a girl with girl parts who wanted -- who identified as a boy -- calling her a girl is mythology. Mythology.
Now, here's a situation -- like, I can understand, we all want to accommodate people and do the best we can to be nice. I get that.
However, to insult every piece of knowledge we've ever had in human history. Part A equals gender A. To say that those things are true, even -- you know, we're talking before the surgery or anything else has happened. That's mythology now. Why wouldn't Rachel Dolezal's story connect? I don't think there's any reason why she isn't treated as respectfully as every single transgendered person that Chris Cuomo is backing here.
Why doesn't she get that same treatment? Why is she without a job? Why is she without a -- without a home, potentially?
PAT: Because she's white. I guess. Just because she's white. Right?
If she were -- but it's only a matter of time, right? It's only because she's the first one. And, again, in our -- in our sphere of awareness, right? She's the first story of a person saying, "I'm actually black, but I'm white."
Now, the guy who works at The Daily News says the same thing. What is his name? Shaun King says the same thing. There's a few of them. But she's one of the first ones that entered into our awareness. And because of that, people are saying, "Come on. Look. I want to accommodate people, but she's obviously white. She's obviously white. And she was trying to say she's black when she's not." That's okay to say today. Guess what, soon it won't be. Soon it won't be.
Soon, the same way you will have people on national television, like Chris Cuomo saying it's mythology to call her white.
That will happen. The only issue -- the only questionable aspect of that is whether Chris Cuomo will remain on television. That's the only questionable aspect of that. He very well may not have that gig at some point. But other than that, that discussion will occur. I mean, it has occurred with certain personalities already. And it will continue to happen. And it will become the thing you're not allowed to say, that Rachel Dolezal is white.
Look, I -- we're not at a point, any of us, that are like, "Oh, well -- I don't want to -- to understand, to accommodate, to do whatever you can." But it's like, we have to at some point have a truth that we can center on. Some foundation of just accuracy. She says -- it feels more accurate to say she's black. But she's not.
STU: I -- do these things need to be said?
PAT: I mean, it might feel more accurate to say that I'm 18 years old because that's how I feel in my head.
STU: Right. I'm young at heart.
PAT: But it's just not the case. Because I'm now in my mid-50s. So, yeah. Yeah.
As if. I mean, the mid-50s are so far in your rearview mirror.
JEFFY: I remember when I broke that mid-50 mark.
STU: How can you? It was such a long time ago.
PAT: Such a long time ago.
STU: And that will happen. We are there. This stuff is already occurring. To the point that -- you know, this is an interesting discussion. Like, if you had this point -- you're like, this is an interesting discussion. She identifies with many of the cultural things of being black or -- you know, he -- she identifies as many of the -- she feels like she wants to do boy -- things that are typically associated with boys. You know, she called herself a tomboy. She -- and, you know, this is an interesting thing that we're talking about. How does society deal with it? It's not that.
It's, you're a hatemonger, and you're dealing with mythology if you think that the gender she is born in is the gender that she has.
PAT: That's nuts.
STU: That's so far beyond -- it's not a discussion. It's a shutdown of a discussion. Incredible.
PAT: It's nuts. Yeah. And nobody, going back to the way I feel in my head -- because I tell my kids that all the time: I feel like I'm 18 still. In my head, that's kind of where I stopped, I think, was 18. So I identify as such.
But -- so if I -- if I acted as if I were 18 all the time, nobody would accept that. Well, I'm just 18. I identify as 18. What do you mean, why should I be more responsible than that? What are you talking about?
You can't hold me to the standards of a 55-year-old man with six grandkids. You can't do that. I identify as an 18-year-old.
PAT: -- nobody would back me on that. None of these Democrats who are bending over backward for every other minority on this planet would say that's okay.
JEFFY: Well, there was the CEO, the guy that said he was a millennial, right? That was in his 50s. Not very long ago.
PAT: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
JEFFY: That they were all up in arms about.
PAT: And he kept saying he was 34 or something, and he was 55.
JEFFY: And they were all up in arms about him. How dare he.
PAT: Right. Right.
STU: And that's different from me who is actually a millennial. I do not identify --
PAT: According to one source who said a 41-year-old person --
STU: Yes, 1976 was the cutoff date. And I was born in February 1976, which makes me one of the first millennials. So I know better than everybody else.
PAT: Because don't most people say 80 -- 80 is the cutoff date for most?
STU: You know what, I don't know what most people. This is not about most people. It's how I identify, Pat.
PAT: Okay. And you want to be a millennial? Because, man, I would do everything I can to not identify with the millennials.
STU: No kidding.
But technically --
STU: -- by one source, I am.
However, no sources say a 55-year-old is a millennial. No sources say a white person is a black person.
STU: And, you know, I guess now a lot of sources do say -- you know, Chris Cuomo goes on in this interview that we played this last hour to say, "Well, the Department of Education says that if you identify as a girl, you're a girl. Or if you identify as a boy, as a boy."
PAT: Yeah, under Barack Obama, they said that. So what?
STU: And also, is the Department of Education, that's the --
PAT: Is it a scientific department now? No, it's a political department.
PAT: So politically, you know, that is now accepted, I guess, in some circles. But that's not science. I love how they want to have it both ways. They're all science, until science doesn't agree with them. Then there's nothing to do with science. It's just a feeling. It's just a thought. It's just an attitude.
JEFFY: Don't pay attention to that.
PAT: It's the same thing on climate change. They have it both ways on every single issue.
PAT: That would be pretty sweet, if we had it both ways on every issue.
STU: It's an exciting way to live.
STU: And it would be fun. Right? It would be fun to be a liberal for a while, wouldn't it? Where you could just sit back and every -- you never have to worry about past statements. You never have to worry about what you said that disagrees completely with what you're saying right now. You just need to say what benefits you at that exact moment. I mean, that is what we saw throughout the Obama administration.
Whatever benefited him at that exact moment was the thing he supported. And that is a -- it's got to be nice.
PAT: It's a good standard.
STU: I mean, to just be able to forget your history and forget what you said in the past has got to be a nice thing to live under.
PAT: You have to have the media on your side to back you up and let you get away with that standard. But it's a nice standard, if you can have it.