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Zuhdi Jasser Fires Back: 'Give Us Some Breathing Room'

Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, host of Reform This! on TheBlaze and longtime guest of The Glenn Beck Program, joined Glenn on radio today in response to a provocative article published online by Pam Geller, who went after Dr. Jasser, calling him the “Grand Mufti of the Stealth Jihad.” Largely silenced by the left and mainstream media for not being the "right" kind of Muslim, Dr. Jasser is now under attack from a faction of the far right that doesn't accept the possibility of a moderate interpretation of Islam.

"I admit, Islam has a major problem within it. We're frustrated. It has cancer. We are in the 15th century. But we need at least a little oxygen. Give us some breathing room to say, you know what, maybe reform is possible," Dr. Jasser said.

Enjoy the complimentary clip above or read the transcript below for details.

GLENN: Something came to my attention yesterday, and I wanted to get Zuhdi Jasser on right away. Zuhdi Jasser has been a friend of mine for, I don't even know. Fifteen years, maybe?

He is, I believe, one of the bravest Muslims in America today, one who still practices his faith. There are many people who used to be Muslim who left their faith. He is a guy who still practices his faith and is a reformer, is somebody like Martin Luther, who says we have to reform this.

There is a difference between Islam and Islamists. If you are a Muslim, that's not necessarily a problem. If you're an Islamist, it is always a problem.

Zuhdi Jasser seems to understand this. But apparently, on his radio show on TheBlaze this last weekend, he went off on a few people here in America. Let me give you the -- let me give you just the headline and a little bit of this story.

The Grand Mufti of stealth jihad, Zuhdi Jasser says there's no greater threat than Pamela Geller and her colleagues. This is from Pamela Geller: In one fell swoop, moderate Muslim, in quotation marks, Zuhdi Jasser has dropped a Moab on the most effective counterjihadist in the West. The Grand Mufti of the stealth jihad has devoted an entire episode of his show on TheBlaze network Reform This to smearing me and many of my colleagues, including Robert Spencer, Andrew Bostom, Claire Lopez, John Guandolo, and others as alt-jihadists.

He says there are no greater jihadists than the alt-jihadists when it comes to living in the land of freedom because they seem to want to kill us and knock us off at the knees. Who even knew he had a show on TheBlaze? Why is Glenn Beck giving this vicious saboteur a platform? Wow.

STU: Vicious saboteur. Wow. That's impressive.

GLENN: Yeah.

Frank Gaffney immediately wrote to a group of us whom Jasser targeted, telling us to hold off in the interest of peacemaking. It was striking how quickly Gaffney jumped to Jasser' defense. I've never seen him jump to my defense like that. What a Stepin Fetchit boy Gaffney is for Jasser. It epitomizes how much people who recognize the jihad threat have been fooled into thinking that they have to have a moderate Muslim on board, or their efforts will be criticized by the left as Islamophobic.

So she is making the point that Frank Gaffney is afraid of being called Islamophobic

STU: Oh, yeah. Frank Gaffney seems like he has a lot of fear about being called things. If I were -- yeah, that's his defining characteristic.

GLENN: So let me welcome to the program the Grand Mufti of the stealth jihad, Zuhdi Jasser.

JEFFY: Right.

STU: Or Zuhdi Jasser. One of the two.

GLENN: Yeah, Zuhdi, how are you?

ZUHDI: Great, Glenn. Thank you for having me. Boy, you know, those responses sort of make me feel like I did the right thing by calling these guys out.

You know, I mean, listen, I get it. We're a minority movement. I get it that we're underdogs. But the issue and the reason why I finally needed to speak out, you know, listen, over the last few months, from Stephen Kirby posting on Spencer's website, others. There's two characteristics that need definition of the alt-jihad.

Number one, they view Islam as monolithic, a one-entity, a monopoly. No other ideas within it. And, two, they view reformers as having no hope, as liars. They constantly call me a liar about my scripture that I interpret and reinterpret in a different way from the original Arabic.

So fine. I'm not trying to take away their free speech. I know they're anti-jihad. But how do they differ from the useful idiots on the left who say that Islam is one, it's beautiful. There's nothing wrong with the misogyny in Saudi Arabia. Islam is peaceful. How does that monopoly on Islam being positive, how is their yang not the ying to the saying that Islam is all one and the Mufti of Islam is it and Zuhdis are just aberrations? I mean, they're actually doing the same thing by taking the oxygen out of what we're trying to do in reform. And when there's no hope for our work, we have to call it out.

GLENN: So, Zuhdi, I have to -- I'm sorry I haven't been following this -- this trial that you're going through right now, until last night.

And I tried to figure out what this was about. And apparently, you sent out a declaration of principles to all the mosques or many of the mosques. And you asked them to sign on as -- as cosigners. And many of them didn't. In fact, I think only, what was it? Forty did. And what they're trying to say is, see, Islam is a sham. And there's nobody behind you. When if I have this right, I look at it in a different way. That you are Martin Luther, who has just nailed the demands up on the church door. And they're expecting Martin Luther to have all of the -- how many of the priests decided to join Martin Luther? Well, not very many. Especially at first.

And they would call Martin Luther a failure. Am I reading this right?

ZUHDI: Yeah, pretty close. I think our role model for what I do are John Locke, Thomas Paine, Jefferson. We're trying to create the space for Martin Luthers. I realize I don't have a degree in Sharia, but the reform -- reformation in Europe gave space to the enlightenment scholars to have room to do their work.

When we sent that declaration out, these guys were writing at -- Spencer was publishing Kirby's work that said we were dead on arrival, that basically we were hopeless. And we nailed those declarations out, knowing that the establishment, the Islamic establishment would definitely reject it. But we proved our point.

If they were moderates, they would have signed on. And actually the Islamists on the left would have proven us wrong by saying, "Oh, they are peaceful." Well, no, we proved her right, that Islamists are supremacists. And as Geller says, they're Nazis. But she's not fighting the Naziism of Islamism. She thinks all of Islam is hopeless and a monopoly. And us Muslims are lying that are trying to reform from within.

GLENN: So you're --

ZUHDI: And all we're trying to do --

GLENN: So let me give you a clearer example. She says that she's fighting Naziism. But actually, what she's fighting is all Germans. And if anyone who says I am not a Nazi -- I was fighting against the Nazis, they're automatically lying because all Germans are Nazis.

So anybody who says that they are trying to reform, I'm a peaceful Muslim, even though you're proving the -- the sun shine and lollipops left wrong and saying, "Look, no. These -- these guys are not who the left is saying they are. These -- this is part of the Nazi party. But there are these -- these Germans here that are fighting. But there are many Germans inside of those -- those mosques, if you will, that are only there because they're afraid they're going to be killed by the storm troopers." Am I right on that?

ZUHDI: Exactly. I mean, this is why -- her verbiage, her messaging is exactly what comes out of the supreme counsel of Iran, the Saudi Wahhabis. The Al-Azhar Universities, the establishment that whips and flogs Muslims like myself. In a country where we can do this work, there's actually an alt-jihad movement that is basically doing the bidding of those governments by saying, "Oh, the Mufti of Islam is it. There are no reformers. There is no reform possible." So, therefore, yes, they ignore the fact, Glenn, that we are contrite.

I admit, Islam has a major problem within it. We're frustrated. It has cancer. We are in the 15th century. But we need at least a little oxygen. Give us some breathing room to say, you know what, maybe reform is possible.

But when they say it's terminal -- when John Guandolo posts on his site and says Sebastian Gorka, because he said that reformers need to be supported, is unfit for duty and says that the Jassers of the world are utter nonsense and calls us a fantasy Islam, how does that actually then give us room to operate and let Americans see a solution?

I mean, I'm a doctor. When I see patients that have cancer, I don't just say, oh, that's it. Call a hospice. See you later.

No. Everybody needs hope. Our movement is about hope. We admit we're a minority. But give us some hope, for crying out loud, or else you're part of the alt-jihad.

GLENN: And I see now why you're calling it the alt-jihad because it is part of the alt-right movement. This all-on-nothing, Nazi kind of mentality of the alt-right needs all Muslims to be bad.

ZUHDI: And, you know, I didn't call it right because I think it sort of exists throughout the left and the right in America, that we -- there are two groups on each extreme that view Muslims in a monolith. Either Muslims are all peaceful, no problem, psychiatric or criminal. Or on the other side, they're either terrorists or terrorists in waiting.

And that's not the Islam I teach my kids. Granted, they can say I'm a liar about the narrative of the Prophet Muhammad. But do you think that the Islam I teach my kids demonizes and says the Prophet Muhammad is irredeemable? That's not how you reform Islam.

We have to come up -- call it mythology. Call it what you want. We have to come up with narratives of the Prophet Muhammad that are 21st century narratives and call that reform and renew the branding of Islam to an American type of Islam that's compatible with our Constitution. And if we can't make that distinction, Americans are going to get confused that there's no solution, except this cataclysmic battle against 25 percent of the world's population. And that's just absurd.

GLENN: Tell me one last thing: Is it Ali -- is it Allah Jah Izetbegovic (phonetic)? I don't know how to say it.

STU: Huge fan. We're huge fans.

GLENN: Yeah, huge fan.

Do you know the name? By the way, I butchered it.

ZUHDI: Yes, Alija Izetbegovic. You know, listen, on my podcast, I talked about many scholars that affected me. And Izetbegovic was the president of Bosnia. He was in prison 15 years. He talked about humanism and Islam. You know, was he an Islamist? Yeah, he was. He said, so, listen, I'm not an Islamist. But there's books that affected who I am.

Martin Luther was an anti-Semite. Justin had slaves. There are many people that affected who we are, that had things in their lives -- so then Spencer then publishes that I used an Islamic supremacist as a source of reform. That's absurd. We don't take authors, in toto. We take some of their messages.

I mean, if there was an author I could tell you is a reformer, we would just use him and say, let's follow him. But, no, we had to create or invent the Muslim reform movement that has 30, 40 different scholars that we use to inform what we're doing. Izetbegovic's book, Islam Between East and West, has a defense of secular humanism. The ideas of humanism being central to part of Islamic ideas. I don't buy his declaration. I reject it. Our Muslim reform movement rejects it. But what they want to do is cherrypick things I say to say, oh, that proves that I'm a stealth jihadists. So, therefore, forget the last hundreds of articles and books and speeches I've given, this proves that Jasser is actually lying. I mean, that's not American. That's not --

GLENN: Zuhdi, I have known you -- was I the first national host to bring you to the forefront?

ZUHDI: Absolutely. Back in 2006, on CNN.

GLENN: Okay. So 2006. I've known you since 2006. And I've heard you passionate about many things. I sense something different in your voice this time. A real sense of not despair, but overwhelming frustration here from people who you would hope that would be reasonable. Am I -- am I sensing something here, or is it just hogwash?

ZUHDI: You're right. I mean, I was blessed to have parents that came to the freest country in the world. And I'm getting squeezed from both sides of the political spectrum. And folks that are with me with a common enemy -- I don't care if they believe Islam is evil or whatever as a faith, but at least give us room to operate. And don't say the same things about me that the theocrats of Saudi Arabia and Iran say. Give us a little bit of room. And say, well, okay. Fine. A little benefit of the doubt that maybe there are versions where minority -- and in this country, when I hear this discourse between these two extremes, where are we supposed to operate? It's frustrating.

GLENN: Zuhdi Jasser, I admire you, sir. And if Pamela Geller doesn't know why Glenn Beck gives airtime to this voice, maybe the rest of the country can understand it, in just the last ten minutes. I think you have an important voice that has been silenced by what was the left for most of the last ten years.

And now apparently, being silenced by the right or wanting to be silenced. The alt-right. And it's just as wrong. And I stand with you, Zuhdi. And anything I can do to help expose you to more people, I will do. Anything I can help, I will do. I think you have an important voice. And I sure appreciate your willingness to continue to stand.

ZUHDI: Well, God bless you, thank you, Glenn. Appreciate it. Be well.

GLENN: You bet.

STU: And his podcast is on TheBlaze.com/radio. You should listen to it. Another thing, he threw out a lot of names, and a lot of them you may not be familiar with. One that he did mention that said, hey, you know, we need to give Zuhdi Jasser room to move and show that this can be reformed was Sebastian Gorka. That is a top adviser to Donald Trump, is what he's talking about there. So you talk about where this battle is happening. It's not on the right. It's not on the Donald Trump level. It's way out in the wilderness of Richard Spencer and Pamela Geller and all these other people out there. But it's important to know, that in the Trump administration, they're looking at Zuhdi Jasser as someone who is a real hope to solve this problem. And, you know --

GLENN: And thank God for that.

STU: I think you're right to sense that despair in him. But that's encouraging, right?

GLENN: Oh, it's very encouraging.

This is the guy I've been since 2006, I've been saying, Bush needed to listen to. Obama needed to listen to. The world needs to listen to. He gets it. He really gets it. And if you just want to hate Islam, he's not your guy. But if you believe -- I mean, I was just in a land where people are worshiping a half elephant, four-armed lady. I mean, I don't even -- I mean, you know. What the hell is that? Is what I was thinking.

Okay. What are the people like? If I'm going over, my job is to destroy all those people that have the elephant idol. Well, good luck with that. I don't want to join you. If you would like to help people get closer and closer to the truth and out of error, then let's have a conversation. I don't want to just be the destroyer of anything, unless you're trying to destroy everybody else. And that's what Islamists do. That's not what Zuhdi Jasser and millions of good Muslims do.

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How the Fed's digital currency could END ECONOMIC FREEDOM

Right before Thanksgiving, when Americans were distracted with travel plans and family feasts, the Federal Reserve announced it is testing its own CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). Carol Roth, former investment banker and author of ‘The War On Small Business,’ joins Glenn to detail how this CBDC is the OPPOSITE of decentralized cryptocurrencies that interest millions of Americans. Yet, the Fed is trying to confuse Americans into believing the two kinds of digital currencies are just alike: ‘It’s a new scheme to maintain power and control.’ Plus, Roth explains how this CBDC — if it becomes the norm — WILL END our economic freedom...

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GLENN: Carol Roth, how are you?

CAROL: Glenn, you're sounding very feisty for a Monday morning. I'm not sure I can handle this. But coming up the weekend here.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I can't take the mainstream media, and half of the country, that is like, that's a conspiracy theory. What? That you're stupid?

That you don't pay attention.

That you can't read?

What is the conspiracy theory at this point? Because all of the things that people like you, people like me, we have been talking about now for years, are just being verified, one right after the other.

CAROL: Yeah. I think the definition of a conspiracy theory at this point is something that the media will report on three years later after we all knew that it happened.

GLENN: Exactly right. Exactly right. There's a difference between conspiracy theories and conspiracy facts. So let's -- let's talk about the -- the facts -- let's start with the CBDC. The central bank digital currency.

CAROL: Yes. First of all, CBDC is not a bar at New York City. So this is actually something different.

GLENN: Right.

CAROL: But it is tied into the monetary system. And basically, this is something that more than 100 countries around the world, who are losing control of their Fiat currencies, because of their government overspending. And because of their central bank printing. They're trying to come up with a new scheme to be able to maintain that power and control. So the idea of the central bank digital currency is to confuse you. People are interested in cryptocurrencies because they're deindustrialized and because they don't have that centralized power. And so they're trying to glom on to that interest and say, oh, yeah. We're just like that. Except for, they're exactly the opposite. They are completely centralized. And they give entire control to the central banks. So imagine today, you know the Treasury prints up a Federal Reserve note. We call it a dollar, route?

And imagine that dollar had a chip in it. And so when you went to go pay with your dollar, the fed was trapping you. The government was tracking you and saying, nah, you know, Glenn, you've had too many burgers this month.

We really don't want people eating meat because it's bad for the environment. So this dollar is no good anymore.

This is what a central bank digital currency, assuming that it's a retail facing one, one that the consumers will use, is going to do. And, oh, guess what, the New York fed is doing a 12-week digital dollar pilot. That is including Wells Fargo, the very Group, MasterCard. And about six others.

GLENN: So, Carol, they are saying that because they're not sure. If they can convert our system of transferring money, which doesn't involve any trucks.

But the digitizing of actual physical dollars. And sending them overseas in bulk. They're not sure they can work out the math, on how to do that, without the US dollar.

That sounds like the biggest bunch of bullcrap, I've ever heard.

They're wondering if it's going to work for the data transfer?

You're doing it every day now.

CAROL: Yeah. So the US is the leader in payments. And if you go and look at all the different -- the Bank Policy Institute. All the different folks who are kind of looking at policy around this, everybody is going, you know, America doesn't need this.

It's one thing for a small country that doesn't have the infrastructure. But we have laser fast settlements of payments. We have laser fast transactions through private entities. There is no need for this.

The need is a wanton and a desire for control and power by the people who are in charge and by the people who have not been taking care of those dollars. And so they need a new scheme. And this is the scheme. And, oh, by the way, this is how they're going to do this, Glenn. And my best guess right now. All this stuff we're seeing with the crypto woes. The FTX collapse. The -- you know the hacking, the fraud. They're going to tell you, oh, we need regulation. We need regulation around crypto. Because crypto is bad.

And they are going to regulate it, and they're going to sneak in congressional approval. Because that's the one thing. That a central bank. Digital currency. The fed does not have authorization from it. It must come from Congress. Not that that stops anyone anyway.

Just theoretically speaking. So keep an eye out. Whatever bills are coming down the pike. They are going to try to stuff this in here. And I'm not joking at all. I'm not -- this is not hyperbole. This will be the end of economic freedom. If a retail CBDC comes to fruition.

GLENN: I -- you know I'll go a step further. I'm not saying this is the mark of the beast. But it has all the earmarks of just not being able to live in society without it.

You won't be able to do anything, without it. Correct?

CAROL: Yeah. I mean, listen, it impacts your livelihood. You know how you get paid. How you transact.

I mean, it is the foundation.

Stable money is the foundation of a stable society.

GLENN: Now, people will say, though, Carol. That I already -- I already interact with my money this way.

I don't get an actual paycheck and bring it to the bank. It's digitally transferred into my bank. And then I spend, either a credit card or a debit card, everywhere I go. I go to a gas station. Put a card in. What's the difference?

CAROL: If I really, you're doing by choice. And you have a choice of providers. And the providers aren't the government. And it doesn't have the authority to come in and say, I'm sorry.

We're just going to cut off your ability to take in money. Or to put out money. We're going to freeze it.

Think about the trucker convoy up in Canada. They just froze their assets. They can do this, you know with just a flick of a switch.

Just one off, and say, I'm sorry. But that's it. You can't -- we've abandoned -- we've gotten rid of cars. We're not going to let you hail an Uber. Let you do this.

You said something bad on social media. We didn't like it. So we'll let you come down. This is a tool to let people submit to what the government wants. And it's the ultimate bullying tactic. The ultimate control tactic, to be able to control every facet of how you transact.

GLENN: I will tell you, that it is -- it is -- what people will say, well, I'm not doing anything wrong. You don't have to do anything wrong.

You just have to want to spend your money on hamburger. As opposed to fish or bugs or whatever it is.

You just want -- you want gasoline, and there's a shortage, and you're not part of the crew, that is deemed essential.

So you get no gasoline. This -- this is -- you know everybody complains about socialized. -- or, you know about free market health care.

First of all, we don't have free market health care. We haven't had free market health care, in a very long time. Government is all over it. Now with Obamacare, it's worse.

However, this is the point. Look at what's happening now, with Canada.

Canada actually said to a Canadian veteran, who just needed -- she's like probably 40, she couldn't walk up her stairs anymore.

Because of the pain. So she calls Veterans Affairs, and they say -- she says, I just wanted one of those chair things that go up the stairs.

She said, that they told her. And she's not the only one. We can assist you in suicide, if it's just so bad. She's like, what!

This is what's happening.

CAROL: Yeah.

GLENN: You'll have no options. No options.

CAROL: You will own nothing. They'll put it out there. And like you said, the word I wanted to key in from what you were talking about earlier. Was essential.

Because this is what they did to us in 2020. They said, some of us were essential. Some of us were not essential. So it's not like we don't have a case study, that's less than a couple of years old, to say that they will pick winners and losers. They will do that based on political clout and connections.

And guess who will not be in that inner circle? Probably everybody listening to the program. Including you and me. So this is an epic, epic disaster. And this is something everybody should be writing their representatives and senators. Saying, absolutely not. This is a complete affront to our freedoms.

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Far-left goal in Colorado SCOTUS case is FORCED COMPLIANCE

The U.S. Supreme Court is preparing to hear arguments in a new First Amendment case involving a Christian graphic artist who does not want to be forced to design wedding websites for same-sex couples. This case — coming from Colorado — marks the second time in five years that SCOTUS will grapple with religious business owners vs. gay weddings. But the far-left’s goal in this case seems to be much more sinister than hoping the two sides can conduct business peacefully. Rather, Glenn predicts, this case is about forced compliance: ‘It’s about forcing everyone to do exactly what they say, when they say it, and [to] have you profess a belief that you don’t have.’

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GLENN: So does the First Amendment even exist anymore? We have a White House telling us, no. Will we have the Supreme Court telling us no, as well?

I want to play a couple of things that happened in the Supreme Court, and outside, concerning the court case now, that is involving this web designer, who says she cannot make a website, you know, with gay marriage announcements and everything else, because she's a Christian.

Well, let's start here. This is the Colorado attorney general that is insisting on television here, that even if you have moral objections, you have to do the work.

Listen to this, cut three.

VOICE: You talk about -- it's the slippery slope argument. If this happens, what is the next argument to fall. There are 29 states, including Colorado, that have nondiscrimination laws. What is the impact? If the court sides with Smith, what is the impact for, you know, makeup artists, hair stylists?

You know, people in this sort of -- considering themselves having expressive professions?

What is the actual big implication here, if this case doesn't go your way as you see it?

VOICE: Well, first off, we're going to have to figure out where to draw that line.

If someone makes specialized lattes, do they have an expressive interest in saying, I'm sorry. I don't want to serve Mormons, because I don't believe in the Mormon religion?

That set of hypotheticals could become reality if we lose this case.

GLENN: Hmm.

Now, hang on just a second. Isn't this what cancel culture is doing?

Aren't these businesses that disagree with your political view, not a status as a human being. But your political view, aren't they canceling you?

So aren't they already having the right to do it, you are just trying to take away the religious right?

Because I don't want to cancel anyone. But I'm not going to work for MSNBC.

You know they're never going to hire me. But I'm not going to go work for them. I don't do that. I don't want to do that.

I don't want to say those things. If I worked at MSNBC, well, then I had made a choice to take that job.

Because that's what they do. Do I have a right to get on MSNBC and do the exact opposite? Don't I have a -- a right to my own conscience, and what I deeply believe. Especially when it comes to faith.

Now, listen to Ketanji Brown.

She got a lot of heat on this. She was talking about It's a Wonderful Life from the stand yesterday.

VOICE: Public business. I'm a photographer, my belief is that I'm doing it's a wonderful life scenes. That's what I'm offering. I want to do video depictions of It's a Wonderful Life. And knowing that movie very well, I want to be authentic, and so only white children and families can be customers for that particular product. Everybody else can -- I'll give to everybody else, I'll sell them anything they want, just not the It's a Wonderful Life depictions. I'm expressing something, right? For your purposes, that's speech.

GLENN: Okay. Ketanji Brown Jackson, sit down. You're a moron. You're a moron. First of all, yes. I am making It's a Wonderful Life scenes. That is clearly a vision that we've seen. We can put the standard side by side.

So if I'm creating that scene, yeah. I can discriminate and say, no. I need white people in this. Because I'm re-creating that scene.

Now, if I'm updating that scene, if I'm showing It's a Wonderful Life in today's America, well, then, I could include and should include everyone. I don't even know what she's talking about here. First of all, It's a Wonderful Life is not a religious objection. If I have a religious objection, I can't change what I believe, just like you can't change your skin color. I cannot change a deeply held religious belief.


STU: But in -- it's true, first of all. But it's also, an additional thing. Right?

Like, the religious part of this gives you additional protection, beyond what is already there. You can't compel someone to say something.

That is like really a bright line in our country. You can't -- take it to this example.

If -- if -- if Kanye West opened up -- decided to open up a website that said, hey, I will customize birthday songs for you.

Which, by the way, given his career arc, may be a real possibility very, very soon.

GLENN: He's working on the pancake recipe now.

STU: Right. And let's just say, hey, I will customize your Happy Birthday rap, just give me your name. And then someone decides, hey, in fact, how about do my bar mitzvah instead? Does he have to do that?

The answer to that is no. You can't ask -- despite his anti-Semitic views being abhorrent to most, you cannot force him to sing a positive song about a bar mitzvah because that would be compelling his artistic expression. You cannot do that.

That's already there. Whether it's a religious belief or not. Just because he does --

GLENN: And in his case, it is both. In his case, it is both.

STU: You can argue, I guess the black Israelite -- maybe that's where it is. Even if it's just not about religion at all, you still can't make somebody do that. Add on to that, the religious protection. It's a whole 'nother layer. I mean, really a lot of this case has been less about religion and more about the idea whether you can compel speech.

There was a famous case that happened recently, where it was a religious institution. I can't remember which one it was.

But was saying, hey, there's a new state law that says, if you're going to counsel people on pregnancy, you have to post a poster that says, abortion is an option and here's how you can get one if you want to. And the Supreme Court said, no. You can't a religious organization, who doesn't believe in abortion, to post that. You can't compel them to speech. And that speech was defined as posting a poster.

This has been a bright line forever!

And hopefully, this Supreme Court will actually have the balls to cast a very broad net here, to make sure this is protected for everyone.

You should never be forced to say or express something you don't believe.

GLENN: So here's what Barrett said, yesterday. She said, Canada's designer declined to serve a Catholic club because they disagreed with their views on marriage.

The -- the -- the Colorado attorney respond, yes.

Because that's not status-based discrimination.

Wait. Hang on just a second. She went in and said, wait. But the designer can't decline to do a same-sex marriage design.

Yes! Because same-sex marriage is inextricably intertwined with status. And religion isn't.

Hold on just a second. Hold on just a second.

There is a -- a whole right that was defined as a very bright line, as Stu just said. So it's not like we're looking and trying to read in, well, we've got to have freedom of speech. And does freedom of religion fall into that?

No. Freedom of religion is entirely separate. Entirely separate. And so it is protected, clearly. There is no trouble so my comma in this one. It is clearly protected.

But if you want to argue that you have the right for a designer, a web designer to discriminate against a Catholic church. Which they do have that right. I don't want to do your design. Great. I'm glad you told me, that you hate us, because I don't want you designing our website. I don't think you'll do a good job. If I can decline the church, why is it the church, that has a deeply held religious belief. I mean, my church was founded on the family. And the sacredness of men and women and gender. Gender is ordained by God, before birth. There is no confusion. That's like 40 years old in my church.

Wait. I have to change now? No. Because I can't change because the government tells me I have to change. This is something I believe to the core. And I either believe it, or I don't. Now, you think that I can just change my belief, because you're right. No. No.

I believe God has set these standards. Not man. Not you. Not me.

I can't change the standards. Neither can you. And as long as I'm consistent in that, I have a right to assert my religious exemption, from your little rule.

I'm sorry. I -- my faith tells me, I cannot go there.

If you have a religious object injection to war, and you are a pacifist, and it's a religious exemption, you don't have to go fight in war.

Because you're a Quaker. And it is a deeply held religious exemption.

And it's a deeply held relief. Or belief.

STU: That's a great example too. Like, we have come. Think of what that particular exemption is. We are saying, our country is under attack. Our nation may fall. It's the literal most important thing, that a government can do, right?

GLENN: Without your nation. Without people fighting this war, we could fall to the Nazis, and you won't have your right to your religion. That's the argument against.

STU: Right. And even with that scenario, we say to the Quakers, you know what, you don't have to do it. Your religion is more important than the war. Your religion is more important than the entire country falling or not.

GLENN: Because we don't have the right.

STU: Because we don't have the right.

GLENN: To get between you and God.

STU: And here we have an argument about lattes?

GLENN: Yes.

STU: We're acting as if wedding sites. Are they even a thing? I guess I got married too early. Wedding websites, we're acting as if that's as important?

We've said the actual defense of our to Nazis is not important enough to overwhelm this right. And we're talking about lattes and photographers and cupcakes. This is completely ridiculous. And then you add on the free speech element of this. Which is what this case seems to be surrounding more than anything else.

Whether the government can say you must say two plus two equals five.

With this -- with the way they're describing this right, the government could tell anyone to say anything.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: And either one of these rights, is clearly defined. Either one of them overwhelms the left's case on this, and they have both of them working in conjunction here. This is not a close call.

GLENN: This is a freedom-breaking decision.

If they decide in favor of Colorado, this is a freedom-breaking -- you have no right anymore. You'll have no right.

And this done in conjunction with what they just passed, the Defense of Marriage Act, or interracial act. This is what they're hoping for.

This is what they're shooting for. To be able to shut down anyone that objects. It's not about living together and tolerating one another.

It is about forcing everyone to do exactly what they say, when they say it. And have you accept and profess a belief you don't have.

That's a dictatorship. That is Naziism. Communism.

It -- it is a religion. We are headed towards a -- a theocratic autocracy.

Their religion is just a Gaia. And Baal. And whatever it is that worships the earth in slaughter and perversion of children.

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Glenn: 1 reason Elon Musk's 'Twitter Files' are DISTURBING

The information Elon Musk handed over to journalist Matt Taibbi concerning Twitter corruption during the 2020 election season — which has now become known as the ‘Twitter Files’ — probably isn’t shocking to conservatives. After all, we already knew most of the information a LONG time ago, even if the mainstream media refused to accept the facts. But there is one, big takeaway from the Twitter Files that you should recognize. In this clip, Glenn reveals what he believes is the 1 reason this information drop is truly ‘disturbing.’

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GLENN: Let's talk a little bit about Twitter. Did you go over the exposé, that was done this weekend on Twitter?

STU: From Matt Taibbi?

The journalist?

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Elon Musk, basically seemed to give him a cache, of some sort of a bunch of emails about whatever the Democrats were doing, around the Hunter Biden laptop era. Right before the 2020 election. And he was going to go through it, and kind of see what was there. It was interesting, Musk wasn't trying to do it himself. He was doing it to, he was a responsible journalist to go through it.

GLENN: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Okay. That's the second time you've said that word. And I just can't -- you said a journalist. And then respected journalist. The guy is a blogger. I know because I've read it in the New York Times. I've read it in politico. I've read it and heard it from NBC. MSNBC. CNN. ABC News. He's a blogger. I heard it from the rolling stone.

STU: Wait.

GLENN: And they should know.

STU: Because he worked for them, didn't he?

GLENN: Well, he was a contributing editor to the rolling stone. And took down some major things. But, I mean, does that make you a journalist?

STU: And now he's -- so even rolling stone is saying, now he's a blogger.

GLENN: He's a blogger. He's a blogger.

STU: Okay. And I assume they would say the same about Bari Weiss, who is one of the bigwigs over at the New York Times.

GLENN: Of course. She's a Substack blogger.

STU: Right. That is what they're trying to do here, to push this off.

GLENN: Which to me, don't you think that's changed?

I think journalist is actually less credible, than blogger. I mean, especially a Substack blogger.

I mean, oh, that -- you mean like Glenn Greenwald, and Bari Weiss.

And Taibbi. Yeah. I think I'm -- I think I'm going to run in that PAC and not the others. You listen to Bari Weiss, talk about her departure from the New York Times. And she talks about how there were all sorts of pressures within the organization, to not say what people believed.

GLENN: Right.

STU: And they went after people who questioned the narrative the wrong way, over and over again. So you would think, when you're free to do whatever you want to do you at least will be honest about it. You will come out and say what you believe. And I think you got that from the initial Twitter files release. Which kind of deal with both sizes.

Saying, well, there were some stuff on both sides. And there were good Democrats in all this. But generally speaking, what it pointed to, was a real effort by the Biden campaign, as we suspected, to go after narratives, they thought, didn't serve them. But part of that was the Hunter laptop. Part of the reason why I wasn't all over this so far, is because I don't think we have the real picture yet. We have only a small slice.

GLENN: Right.

STU: These documents were turned over to a couple of journalists, who have not had -- or, bloggers, who have not had the time to fully go through them and give us, you know, a moment by moment look as to who did what and how they did it, and I think it will take time for that to sort of marinate and go through the system.

GLENN: So here -- from 40,000 feet, here's what we discovered. Elon Musk released some of this inside information, and some of the documents that showed, a couple of things. One, the FBI was meeting with them monthly. And that is, as it got close to the election, they were meeting with them weekly. That is troublesome. Again, not something that we didn't know. But it is something that was called a conspiracy theory for a long time.

That's they were taking the Hunter Biden story. And they were getting advice from the FBI.
And the people inside of Twitter, were the ones that were torpedoing it, with the advice from the Biden campaign.

Well, that's what we found. So it's not new to any conservative. However, it is new to the press.

And it is new to the press. This is why this is a big deal.

You're not going to -- in my opinion. You're not going to feel like, whoa. Wow.

Look at that smoking gun. Because we've been talking about it.

We've known this was going on. The whole world has known, this was going on. And what they found was, the -- the right will get some things, you know on their side. As well.

But the disturbing part to me was, it comes through personal contacts. So it is truly -- would you call it nepotism. You know you have to know somebody. And if you knew somebody in Twitter, you could get the world changed.

And so you had people reaching out to their friends in Twitter. Reaching out to their former coworkers. Maybe at the White House. Saying, hey, look. This is a problem. Can you take care of it?

Yep. I got it. I'll take care of it for you.

STU: Of course, implicit in that, 90 percent of the people who worked in that, were liberal.

All their friends were liberal. So most of the stuff that got edited, were stuff that people wanted edited.

So it was not fair, as they pointed out. It's not balanced. It's not like both sides did the same thing by any means. The only thing --

GLENN: Well, both sides did the same things. But not anywhere -- you know when it's -- you know when it's one time for every nine times.

STU: Right.

GLENN: That's not doing the same thing.

STU: Right. And I think the only thing that we need to see here. This is one of the things that confirmed what we were seeing going on. And what we had he would have of always occurring.

We already have evidence going down this road pretty significantly. This has backed it up. It hasn't reached to the level yet. That is to what I expect. I set the standard so high, for this. Because I assume what they've done is so terrible, during these election periods.

That we haven't seen that evidence yet. I think it will come out. We'll see it eventually.

So far, we haven't seen it. We have only seen 80 percent of what was going on. Not 100 percent.

GLENN: So here's why this is important. If you are in with the it crowd, the it crowd controls really, the narrative still in America.

Because the New York Times and television and everything else, still is caught in that.

Now, I don't know if the American people are still caught in that. But unless you get both sides, talking about something, it's not going to filter down to the average American.

Okay? And here's -- here's the really interesting part. First, they said, that this was a conspiracy. That that wasn't happening.

Now that we have the evidence and the actual documents to show that it is that way. What do they do?

Now, I am somebody that I just don't believe in coincidence. I just don't.

Sometimes, wow. What a coincidence. Sometimes, but I always look first, hmm. That's a weird coincidence. Are we seeing this anyplace else?

For instance, when they talked right after COVID started. They were all saying the same thing. And then they all started to say, the new normal. And then it went from the new normal to the great reset. And everybody -- all of a sudden, one day, everybody is talking about The Great Reset. As a positive. And they're not explaining what The Great Reset is. They're just saying, we need a Great Reset. Do you remember any of that?

This is what happened over the weekend. To take Taibbi. And destroy him as a journalist, they accuse him of PR work. He is just being a public relations person. To whom?

To, quote, the richest man in the world.

And what does that make it? Sad. Embarrassing. Humiliating.

Now, let me go through some of these things. This is the prime time editor for Mediaite. Matt Taibbi went from a fierce and intrepid journalist taking aims at the wealthy and powerful, to doing mundane PR for the world's richest huckster. Embarrassing.

Ben Collins. Senior report for NBC.
Imagine throwing it all away to do PR work for the richest person in the world.

Humiliating.

Bloomberg. Editors are great at not just because they make your work sharper, but because they will ask things like, hey, should you be doing PR work for the richest man on the planet? MSNBC. Imagine volunteering to do online PR work for the world's richest man.

Let's see. Media Matters.

Matt Taibbi thread is a great example of overwriting when you don't have the kids, but you want to admit you're just doing PR for the world's richest person.

Matt McDermott. Doing PR for the richest person in the world should come as no surprise.

The correspondent for the New York Times, CNN, Daily Beast, Huffington Post, and as a host on Al Jazeera. Tweeted, Matt Taibbi, what sad, disgraceful downfall. I swear. He did good work in the old days. Should be a cautionary tale for everyone. Selling your soul for the richest white nationalist on earth.

Oh, my gosh. The editor-in-chief. Something called popula.com, wrote one minute, you're scouring Goldman Sachs. The next, you're doing PR for the richest man in the world. Funny.

It goes on and on and on.

They all said the same thing. They're doing -- he's doing PR work for the richest man in the world. So what they're doing is, he sold out.

But did Matt sell out?

I mean, Matt left the mainstream media for a reason. What was that reason?

Bari Weiss left the mainstream media for a reason. What was that reason?

What was it? To sell out? Or to be able to tell the truth, that they saw, without some editor going, nah. That Hunter Biden is not really a story. Because it's a conspiracy.

No. No. It turns out, that the FBI was lying to you. It wasn't a conspiracy.

It is a big deal. Now, Elon Musk has put the Democrats on notice. He said that there's more smoking guns, to come.

He also said, he's not going to sign autographs, anymore. And he doesn't -- he doesn't want to be in crowds anymore.

He's -- he's a little concerned for his health. And I don't think it's because he's a smoker. He believes that he's living in some sort of a spy novel. And I think he -- he might be.

By the way, according to the Daily Wire, it looks like they may have interfered at Twitter. May have interfered in the Brazilian election as well.

Interesting. It's almost as if, these public/private partnerships, between those who want to control the world, and those who are the mouthpiece for the world, are seeing the opportunity by coming together and working together to make sure that the little people know exactly who they should vote for, and what they should think.

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Bill O’Reilly: White House LIES are creating a ‘TURNING POINT’ in America

The biggest story for the week for Bill O’Reilly is Karine Jean-Pierre. Why? Because, thanks to Fox New’s Peter Doocy, the White House Press Secretary recently was caught in even MORE lies — this time about President Biden visiting the border. Americans are becoming numb to the lies our politicians continue to spew. O’Reilly predicts — because of the sheer dishonesty — America is now facing a ‘turning point.'

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GLENN: So tell me, what is the biggest story of the week?

BILL: All right. And you're going to think this is very strange. But it isn't strange, when I explain it. The biggest story of the week is Karine Jean-Pierre. You know she gets out there in a press conference. And there's Peter Doocy, the only contrarian. Well, there may be two or thee. You've never heard of them. They're way in the back. But Doocy is there to shake out the Biden administration. That's what his job is.

So he's not there as an objective reporter. He's up there to shake them off. Like Sam Donaldson was for Reagan. And it's a tradition.

GLENN: Ellen Thomas.

BILL: And Doocy does a very good job. Peter Doocy. So he sits there and he says, you think President Biden is going to go to the border?

And Karine Jean-Pierre looks at him, goes, he's already been at the border.

But he hasn't. He hasn't gone to the border as president or vice president.

So everybody is looking around. And then Doocy follows up and goes, well, can you tell us what -- at least none of us know. It's not on the records. It's not on the White House logs. Not on the Secret Service logs. Then she launches into this ridiculous BS, which she does every day.

Now, I've been saying to myself, I've been in this almost 50 years, as a child prodigy, 8 years old, writing Scripture, Walter Kronkite.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: But I've never seen that before.

I've never seen. I mean, that's just a lie. That's not spin.

You know I started the no-spin zone. I do the No Spin News now on BillO'Reilly.com.

This is my concept, that spin comes out of political precincts, every single day. And the job of a journalist, is to knock it down. This is not spin. This is Karine Jean-Pierre, being paid by the White House. Paid every day. Lying to the world. There's not two sides to the story.

It's not like she's not lying.

So shouldn't that be on every single page one of the newspapers, in America?

GLENN: Sure.

BILL: Shouldn't that be incorporated into the Nightly News casts?

GLENN: But I think people, Bill, have been so beaten down on all sides. They just know you're being lied to, and they don't care.

BILL: That's true. People are numb to this. And I'm not talking about the folks. But when you have a press, that doesn't report, the historical occurrence, like this. This is history. All right? We all know that these people are full of BS. And they do what they're told to do, because they want to have money, and they get paid. But when a White House is basically lying, you know and they don't have any shame of that. They don't care. So what's the difference, I ask you, Beck, between the United States apparatus of information distribution, and Putin?

GLENN: I don't think anything. I mean, other than Putin will actually have some reporters killed. But I don't think anything.

Well, no. Let me give you another -- I think many people in the press, are afraid to say anything for their safety in Russia. Here, most of our press is gleefully joining in.

BILL: Yeah. They don't care. So I wrote a message of the day, outlining why this is an important situation for history. And this is a turning point now. So before it was spin. Before we knew you know it was all this. Okay. But now it's, hey. We're just going to lie. We don't care. We're going to lie. And once you start lying about going to the border, then you can start lying about everything. Which, you know the Biden administration has walked that line ever since he went into office. And they don't really care.

And to me, really, really a turning point in the culture of this country.

GLENN: We are also, I think at the most dangerous time, in my lifetime, to be a Jewish person.

In most places, in the world, including the United States.

This Kanye West thing that happened yesterday. Did you pay attention to that at all?

BILL: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. The Kanye West thing falls under Killing the Legends: The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. He has lost his mind.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: Okay? And you know that book Chronicles these hugely famous people, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Muhammad Ali, and how they got crushed by their fame. This is exactly what's happening to Kanye West. Exactly. All right?

GLENN: Yeah. I think it's a mixture of exactly what you say in your book. You know with the people that are just expunging off of you, introducing themselves into your life, taking you way off track.

BILL: Right.

GLENN: And clinical insanity. This guy is --

BILL: He's over the line.

GLENN: Yeah. He's over the line.

BILL: Right.

GLENN: And he is medically treatable, and he's not apparently taking his medication. And this is -- this is -- this is what insanity looks like.

BILL: Well, I use the word delusional. Look, Kanye West knows nothing about the Third Reich. I mean, he didn't read Killing the SS. I mean, he doesn't know anything.

He, for whatever reason, okay? Has gone into a delusional world, where whatever Kanye West says is right. All right?

And there are a lot of people on this planet in that world. Okay? So do I pay attention to Kanye West? I do when it elevates into, he's having supper with Trump. Huge mistake, by the way. Oh, my God.

GLENN: Yeah, big mistake.

BILL: And it really reflects on Trump's staff too.

GLENN: Yeah, on his staff more than anything else. However, I don't blame Trump, he didn't know what Kanye was going to say or do.

BILL: But he is -- with Trump, and, you know, I know him really well. Is, if you like Trump, then he likes you. Kanye West, African-American, big-time entertainer, saying good things about Trump, then Trump's going to have supper with you. That's what it is.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: But Trump didn't pay attention to Fuentes coming in.

He didn't know who he was. I don't even think Trump knows what Kanye West is peddling out there by -- on this anti-Semitism. I don't think he knows.

GLENN: No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so.

BILL: But he should. He's got to. He's got to stop.

You know, if he wants to be reelected and his chances now are below 50 percent, I would say -- I would put them at 35 percent and falling.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: If he wants to make a comeback in this area, he has to discipline up.

GLENN: Before we go -- before we go there. Let me take you back to one of your messages of the day, I think it was yesterday. And you talked about Mayorkas, warning that the far right anti-Semites might be planning an attack on Jews and other minority -- minority groups.

What's this about?

BILL: Well, with -- as soon as -- and remember, Biden doesn't run any of this at the White House.

It's not like he's sitting around. Going, let's do A and B. He's just way above it. Oblivious. He's out with Jill. Looking at the Christmas lights. Okay?

He's eating escargot with Macron. He doesn't know what's happening day to day. But as soon as the White House saw this unbelievable error with Trump dining, they said, okay. We're going to issue a warning. That far right people are going to kill Jews.

Okay?

And that's what -- and Mayorkas got the call. Put out a warning. And he did!

So let's exploit this. Now, my point was, they've been looking for these far right loons, for two years. Okay?

And outside of January 6th, they haven't been able to find them. Okay?

So I'm not sure, that this is -- I can't say that this could never happen. It could. There are violent people on the right. That would hurt Jews.

GLENN: And who the left -- let's not forget. The guy who is now the --

PAT: Yeah. Absolutely. You're right. Thank you for making --

GLENN: Yeah. Let's not forget all the members of Congress, that have hung out with Louis Farrakhan. And also, the -- the new lead for the minority in Congress.

Replacing Nancy Pelosi. He's not exactly Jewish friendly.

BILL: No. Because it ties into the narrative on progressive left. The far left. That the Jewish state is oppressive and fascist. And they get hosed. That's what it's all about. Go ahead.

GLENN: All right. Take me to, why did the New York Times keep Sam Bankman-Fried on their schedule?

And -- and also, Stephanopoulos having him on.

I think this is a whitewashing of his reputation.

BILL: First of all, Beck, do you feel sorry for anybody who lost their money in the crypto?

GLENN: No. I feel bad for people who had their money stolen by him. Yeah.

BILL: Immingles. I said very early on, because we do a smart live segment every night on BillO'Reilly.com on the No Spin News. And I got letters. What about crypto?

What about this? And I said, you would have to be blanking insane. To invest in that.

GLENN: Well, then I'm insane.

BILL: Did you really?

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

BILL: You invested in crypto?

GLENN: Oh. And made -- made a lot of money.

BILL: You made money before it crashed?

STU: Remember, this crash, Bill, is still above the bubble from 2018. If you --

GLENN: Yeah. I invested in '15? '14?

STU: Yeah. If you got in early enough.

GLENN: I have a long way to go, before I lose money.

BILL: Boy, you're lucky.

GLENN: Yeah, well, you don't invest in FTX. That's the ding. You know, and that was not bitcoin.

BILL: Listen, the whole concept is not grounded in reality. It's grounded in this grift, that you get something hot. You push it on the internet. People get excited. You attach things to it.

GLENN: That's Dogecoin. That's what --

BILL: Dogecoin.

GLENN: That's what he was doing too. He was playing with these made-up coins. That's completely -- that's completely different.

Anyway, this guy was a huge donor.

BILL: To the Democrats.

GLENN: To the Democrats. Number two behind George Soros.

BILL: Right. Yeah.

GLENN: Ken Lay was arrested right away. Bernie Madoff was in jail in 24 hours. What is happening here?

BILL: Well, this is because he's in the Bahamas. That's what he's shielding him. And, you know, he's paid off everybody in the Bahamas. So they're going to protect him.

Now, why the FBI hasn't sworn out a warrant because obviously this grift goes across state lines.

GLENN: And international.

BILL: I don't know if it's millions. Hundreds of thousands of Americans lost everything. But the message to me is two-fold. Number one, that if this idiot -- and you just have to see him one time. And you go, I'm not going to this guy. I'm not giving him any money.

GLENN: Oh, I know. Especially his girlfriend.

BILL: Yeah. I'm not going to get involved with business with these people. I would rather give my money to Daffy Duck. What is this? Just one look. Okay?

GLENN: Right.

BILL: But if this guy were a Trump supporter. If this crypto guy were a Trump supporter.

GLENN: Doomed. Doomed.

BILL: The noose would already be around his neck.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

BILL: But I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything like that. I think Stephanopoulos --

GLENN: That's the way it works.

BILL: -- is desperate for ratings. You know, if I could get this guy on the No Spin News, if you get him on the Glenn Beck Program, you take him. Because, you know, you chop him up. But, you know, at this point, in this world, I mean, you have to respect your money. You have to guard it. In my opinion.

So, anyway, when I was following it, I was going, well, I warned everybody. But look at this.

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GLENN: Bill, we're going to have to race through a couple of things. You see CNN has laid off all kinds of people. They have apparently not learned their lesson. The media, NBC, will still not explain what happened to the reporter on the Paul Pelosi story. That's not explained.

And their ratings are just going down and down and down. GMA is literally celebrating the fact that two of their hosts are having an affair on their spouses. And they're like, it's good for ratings.

BILL: Look, we've talked about this before. It's over for television news. It's over. And independent contractors like you and me are the beneficiaries of that. Because people don't trust them anymore. Why would you watch this stuff when, you know, it's just BS. They're not telling you the truth. And they're not even fun people to watch. Is anybody saying, you know I have to watch George Stephanopoulos, you know this guy is great? Has anybody ever said that? I don't think so.

GLENN: Yeah. Let me take you to China quickly. What's going to happen there?

BILL: Uh-oh. This is great for America. I believe in God and I think God looks out for the good things in America. So now, Xi, Mr. Bluster, you know, strutting around, we're going to do what we want, he's in dire trouble. Because you don't come back from, you better not come out of your house, and if you do, you're going to disappear. You don't come back from that. So now the Chinese people, who don't have much, anyway, unless you're a businessman in Shanghai or Beijing. But if you're out in the countryside, you have nothing. They can't even come out of the house. And this is causing unbelievable personal angst. Which is not going to go away. That's what you want. You want China to basically disintegrating from within.

GLENN: Yeah, they're rooting and helping us disintegrate from within.

BILL: Yeah. They're trying to push it, but Iran is the same way. You shoot down a young woman because she's not wearing a burqa properly, people aren't going to forget that.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: So these are good things for let's say the free world.

GLENN: For the free world. Not necessarily for our economy, if they spiral out of control.

BILL: Yeah. But we don't need them, Beck. We don't need them.

GLENN: We do until we start building our resources here.

BILL: I have to tell you, I don't care what happens to Apple. I don't care.

GLENN: No. Neither do I.

But if they take Taiwan or Taiwan goes down, China goes down, there are no computer chips that are made. Not nearly enough. Everything now has a computer chip in it. And if we don't start making them here ourselves, we're going to be in trouble. But that goes for everything. Bill thank you so much for being on.

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