GLENN: Hello, America. And welcome to Dr. Michael Youssef. He is the author of the new book, The Barbarians Are Here.
And, Doctor, I want to talk to you from the perspective of somebody who says they really care, as do I, about the refugees. And getting the right refugees out of a war-torn country.
But that's --
MICHAEL: Sure, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate that.
GLENN: Sure.
MICHAEL: I want you to know -- and I want all your audience to know that I love everybody. And I have no hatred in my heart toward anybody.
Having said that, that is part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, we as a ministry, we have a television station, 24/7 going into 160 million homes in the Middle East in the Arab world, preaching the gospel. So we're doing everything we can to reach them with the gospel of Jesus Christ. We've seen a lot of people come to Christ.
Let me first talk about, as an immigrant myself, you see, I am immigrated to this country many years ago, but I had to provide all kinds of information. I had to be examined by the embassy doctor. I had to provide tax information that I don't owe the government tax, that I have good police records.
And I came here, and I love this country. I am grateful. Every single morning, I'm thankful to God that I live in this country. So there's nothing wrong. This country has always loved immigrants.
But when you say we want to take the refugees without any vetting, without any interviews, except by blinded United Nations officials, who are really very bias. They have bias against Christians. We've seen it firsthand on the Jordanian side, on the Lebanese side. And so what we're saying is we're going to let the terrorists come in.
And here's the problem: Islamists always -- somehow got into cohort with the leftists in order to accomplish their purpose. They, in a sense, consider them to be a useful idiot.
And sadly, we've seen recently that the feminist movement that is being -- protesting as recently as yesterday and then the day after the inauguration. Who was leading it? Linda Sarsour. Linda Sarsour is a woman who wants to bring the Sharia law to America. Just think about this. I want to scream and say to these women, do you know what Sharia law says about women? You're half a man. You inherit half of what your brother would inherit. In the court of law, you are considered to be half of a man. You can be beaten by your husband or your father --
GLENN: She'll say she doesn't want any of that.
MICHAEL: Pardon?
GLENN: She'll say, that's not what Sharia law means to her. She doesn't want any of that.
MICHAEL: She can't pick and choose. That's what the Sharia is. You look at Saudi Arabia and you see the way they apply the Sharia, literally. Chopping the hands of somebody, a petty thief. Left hand first, then the right hand. You see people maimed everywhere in Saudi Arabia.
And so -- I mean, she can't really pick and choose. That's what Sharia is. That's what the Koran says. That's what -- all these teachers on the satellite channels, Muslim, Islamist satellite channels, they actually are showing the young men, the lengths of the stick by which they can beat their wives and their daughters. I mean, I have seen it. I actually screamed it to my congregation to just wake them up to the fact that we -- this is -- these people mean business. And their ultimate goal is to dominate the west and take over -- they feel that they failed twice back in the 700s, then the 1400s to take over Europe.
Now this is their final third jihad. And they're going to do it by birthrate. And they're going to do it by financial investments.
GLENN: Now, you say -- in chapter three, you talk about Germany and New Year's Eve.
JEFFY: Yep. Yep.
GLENN: And you say the barbarians are already here. You can see what the -- what the migration of undocumented or at least poorly screened immigrants are doing to Europe.
JEFFY: Right.
GLENN: And yet, still the media over in Europe still is not awake.
MICHAEL: I know. This is a blindness of biblical proportion. I mean, almost you got a blinder -- iconic picture that I saw that really told the whole story. These young bearded men from the Middle East in a German train, coming out of the station, shouting "Allahu Akbar," which means Allah greater, which is a cry of jihad, the cry of war. And these sweet German ladies holding this placards that says, "Welcome refugees." I mean, I said, "This said it all."
We're not really shooting ourselves in the foot, we're shooting ourselves in the head. And we're saying, hey, come on in. Destroy us. Take over. We're so blind as to who you are and what your ideology is. And it doesn't matter.
I often wonder sometimes if these folks really just hate America. I mean, I think if people like Soros and so forth, I just wonder -- you know, I don't want do accuse anybody of anything, but it just makes me wonder. Why would they not allow the government to vet people before they come into this country? Why they don't give them time in order to -- it took me two years to immigrate -- actually more than that. So what? That's fine.
I think every country has the right to determine the criterion by which they accept people to come in.
GLENN: You talk about some solutions and some things that we have to do. But about halfway through the book, you talk about the pattern of Babylon.
MICHAEL: Yes.
GLENN: And that we have been saved over and over again. But you -- if I may quote, again and again, God has defended Western civilization from an attack from barbarian slave merchants, totalitarianism, genocidal racists, segregations. But instead of thanking God for his mercy and protection, we have now taken all the credit for those victories. Instead of giving God glory, we give credit to secularism, materialism, multiculturalism, pluralism, political correctness, feminism, the welfare state, moral relativism, progressivism, environmentalism, atheism, humanism.
MICHAEL: Yeah. That is exactly what -- in fact, I would refer to these Christians who turn their back on the Christian faith or have Christian heritage and turn their back on the Christian faith, they're equally barbarians too. Because it was turning away from the Christian faith first in Europe, now it's happening here, is the very thing that has created that vacuum in society. And the vacuum has got to be filled. And it is filled by the Islamists who are coming in with pure ideology. It's very simple. Allah has spoken. And, therefore, he must be obeyed. And we have to do it. If we kill or impose jizya, which is a form of high taxation on Christians and Jews, in order to make Islam dominant.
You see, that is -- and that happens every time. And you see it in Israel, when they -- the Prophet Jeremiah, who literally pleaded with them and pleaded with them and pleaded with them, turn back to God. Turn back -- stop worshiping Baal. Stop worshiping false gods. They wouldn't do it. Finally, God said, okay. Not -- God is not capricious. He's going to say, okay, I'm going to sock it to you. No, I'm just going to take my hand of protection off and leave you to the consequences of your choices. And so the Babylonians, the terrorists of their day came over and ransacked Jerusalem and took hostages. Seventy years.
It happened again in Rome, when Rome fell. Rome fell because of similar things that are happening for our day. But what happened, the pagans blamed the Christians for it. And so some Augustan sat down, wrote a book, and that's really the book that influenced me the most, the City of God. And I began to see things from that perspective, where he literally maps out biblical history to the point when Rome fell. And I'm seeing that pattern almost repeated. And that's what I talk about in the book.
And the only answer, the only solution, the only hope is for God's people to stop being compromisers and stand up for the truth and stand for their faith and stop watering it down and preaching a false gospel.
GLENN: Give me the pattern. Give me the pattern from City of God.
MICHAEL: Well, the -- what -- what some Augustan did. And, again, I say that in the book, he influenced me greatly. So, you know, it's not all original with me.
GLENN: Right.
MICHAEL: He begins back in the garden of Eden. And he starts from there, and then he shows historically two strain, if you like, of humanities, one who are pursuing what he calls the city of man. That is secular humanism to the core. And the other who are pursuing the city of God.
For example, Abraham. The Bible said Abraham looked forward to that city, which is -- which is built by God, whose architect is God and built by God.
Even back then, he was looking forward to the city of God. So there's a Godly line from Enoch all the way to Abram. And down to even Lot. Even though he lived in such a miserable place, Peter said that he was literally torturing himself by living in that kind of central environment.
But you go all the way down through. And then God remembers his people when they were in slavery in Egypt. And he sends them a delivery. And Moses comes in and he delivers them from the horrors of the whips of the Egyptians. And he takes them out. And then in the book of Deuteronomy, toward the end of it, he says, look, I'm sending it to the Promised Land. I promised that land to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And I'm going to send you there. But here's the temptation: You're going to be facing it. You're going to be facing the temptation to turn against me and worship other gods. And if that happens, my judgment is going to be -- is going to follow.
And sure enough, they go into the Promised Land. And what happens? They start worshiping Ashtor and Baal and Ashtoreth and so forth. And God says, okay. I'm going to take my hand.
GLENN: Okay. So I just saw a study from Barna who does research --
MICHAEL: Yes. I know George very well.
GLENN: So you know, if you saw his latest, that we say that America now has a 49 percent biblical worldview. Meaning that 49 percent of the people view truth and right and wrong and how they just view the world through the truths in the Bible. That's only 49 percent. However, he did something new, and he attached morals and principles to it.
MICHAEL: Yes.
GLENN: So he asked, do you believe in Noah. Do you believe in Moses? Do you believe in the Ten Commandments? Instead of just that, the other half was, hey, do you think it's okay to steal.
And he found that actually that number is 15 percent biblical worldview. So how do you save it, if that's true?
MICHAEL: Well, his here's the core of the problem: So many evangelical pastors who started well because and for the sake of popularity, they started kind of watering down the message. One pastor said, well, I believe in the virgin birth, but you don't have to. I believe in Noah, but you don't have to. I believe in Jonah, but you don't have to.
Okay. What you've done, you've just basically disintegrated or you've destroyed the integrity of Jesus. If you believe that he is a triune God, lived -- was there before the foundation of the world and together with the father and the son created the world; and so, therefore, he was there, and then in his earthly life, he talked about Jonah, and he talked about Noah. And, of course, we know about his virgin birth. And has to be, in order for him to be divine. Otherwise, if he was born of the seed of a man, just like all of us, then he cannot be the sin bearer. He cannot take away our sin. So all of that and my appeal to these preachers who have sold out and -- their birthright for a pot of soup, return to God. Return to God now because you are misleading a lot of people. And in misleading them, you have created this -- this 15 percent. And that is one of the saddest things I think that I've seen.
In fact, Barna also said 64 percent of those who call themselves born again evangelicals, that they believe there are many ways to God. Give me a break. The word evangelical comes from the Greek word Evangélio (foreign language), which means the gospel. Namely that Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father, but by me. That is the very core of what they call themselves. And yet they are denying by their very practice what they claim to be entitled.
GLENN: Dr. Michael Youssef, thank you so much for being on the program. The name of the book is The Barbarians Are Here: Preventing the Collapse of Western Civilization in Times of Terrorism.
