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Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Kick It 'Old School'

Nobody has ever dared to call Bill O'Reilly a snowflake, he's what they call "old school" and the two are diametrically opposed to each other. Bill joined Glenn Wednesday on radio to talk about his new book Old School: Life in the Sane Lane and where he sees society heading.  O'Reilly explained how snowflakes play the victim and avoid "triggers" while people who are 'old school' and self-reliant and get the job done on their own.

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly.

PAT: Oh, boy.

GLENN: How are you doing, man?

BILL: All right. How are you guys?

PAT: You know, we're -- we're concerned.

GLENN: We are. We're very concerned.

PAT: What did you say? Concerned.

GLENN: Very concerned. Very concerned.

BILL: I bet you guys are.

GLENN: We heard this on Fox & Friends, and go ahead, roll the tape.

VOICE: Maxine Waters.

VOICE: I love her.

VOICE: Wait. Why do you love her?

VOICE: Maxine Waters should have her own sitcom. Okay? All right? It's just -- I just -- you know, people get angry with Maxine Waters. I want more of it.

VOICE: So what does that mean, Bill? We've been listening all morning --

VOICE: I didn't hear a word she said. I was looking at the James Brown wig.

GLENN: Wow. Oh, my gosh.

STU: Oh, my gosh.

PAT: Oh.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

PAT: Oh, my.

GLENN: Now, we have the side by side here, and she may actually be wearing James Brown's wig. But we don't say those things. You know, Bill, do you think Maxine or anybody on the left is going to make fun of Donald Trump's hair? No. No. You don't do that.

BILL: Of course. And if I had said it about, you know, Pamela Anderson or somebody like that, nobody would have cared. But it was stupid. It was a stupid line, and I apologize for it.

GLENN: This is why we're concerned, Bill. This is why we're concerned.

BILL: I know. I know. You guys -- not for what I said. But because I apologized.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: There's a legitimate -- there's a legitimate point -- and it has nothing to do with color. But it has to do with politics. That the politics of the far left, all right? Are so destructive to the nation at this point in history, that this should be a page one story. That no matter what the Republican Congress does, no matter what the president does, they're going to oppose and try to destroy. That's a huge story. Huge. And you see it with Neil Gorsuch. And you see it with the health care. You see it all the way down the line. So for me, trying to make this point, to say an immature point about Ms. Waters was just stupid, because I gave the enemy a sword in which to stab me to death, which they tried to use.

So you look at it -- if I had -- and if I had to do it again, I would have never said anything like that. I like her in the sense that she will say what's on her mind.

GLENN: Now, I will tell you, long before Donald Trump was ever a candidate, I went to --

BILL: Yeah.

GLENN: I was forced to go to a Larry King, I don't know, 180 birthday party.

BILL: Right.

GLENN: And it was in Manhattan. And Donald Trump and his wife walked in the room. And Tania and I happened to be sitting there -- or, standing there. And we talked to him for a while. And as he walked away, we both said, "A, we don't know how he gets his hair to do that. And didn't have a recollection of anything he talked to us about, because we were just staring at his hair." I've told that story a million times. Nobody -- I'm not in trouble.

BILL: No. But because I did something which I consider -- and this is honest. I consider that a mistake, what I did.

And I can't point to other people doing whatever. I think everybody -- fair-minded people know what kind of country we're living in now. The charges of racism are all over the place. If you disagree with someone, you're a racist. Okay? It's horrible. It's terrible. And these are the stories you should be talking about.

It's interesting to note that I don't know whether you know about the taladega college situation, where their band was invited to go to the inauguration. Beck, do you know about that? Black college in Louisiana, Talladega College. They were invited to appear at the inauguration. The tornadoes.

GLENN: They're -- no.

BILL: Talladega tornadoes. Unbelievable marching band, okay?

GLENN: Oh, yeah. I do know this, yeah.

BILL: So I raised $150,000 for the band to come to Washington to perform at the inauguration and for the college scholarship fund. 150K, all right? We raised. Not one left-wing website or newspaper picked it up and mentioned it. Not one. Okay?

PAT: Yeah.

BILL: So this is the world we live in now. This is what we live in.

But, again, I apologize to Ms. Waters. I'd love to have her on my program because I can talk issues with her.

STU: But your point on Maxine Waters, generally speaking, is a great one in that the reason why you have to love Maxine Waters -- and Bernie Sanders falls into this group as well.

BILL: Absolutely. Good observation. Absolutely.

STU: He will come out and say it. He'll come out and say, we're going for single-payer health care.

GLENN: Right. When Maxine Waters came out with the oil companies -- and we -- I'll tell you what will happen. We'll own -- we'll socialize -- or, basically take over.

PAT: Take over.

GLENN: Remember that phrase?

STU: Yeah, she'll blurt it out.

GLENN: She'll say it. She'll say it.

And that's why she's great. In a crazy sort of way.

BILL: She'll say it. Yeah. And I think we all should respect people who put their ideology clearly.

GLENN: Well, I don't think she does it intentionally.

BILL: Now, unfortunately -- yeah, all of this is lost in our culture of hate. You know, the reason why I'm talking to you -- not that I wouldn't talk to you, Beck. You're my pal. I'd talk to you anytime. But I got the number one book on Amazon, just out yesterday. Called Old School: Life in the Sane Lane. This is the perfect example of what we're talking about.

PAT: You're not killing anybody yet in this one? Oh, wow.

BILL: No. The next -- the next time it occurs in September.

GLENN: So wait a minute. So I read your book, Bill.

BILL: You actually read it, Beck? Thank you. Very flattered. Very flattered.

GLENN: I actually read it. It was excruciating, but I read it.

(laughter)

BILL: To qualify that, for you to read anything is excruciating.

GLENN: No, no. I'm reading several good books, and I read yours.

So in it, you tell some great stories. And I can relate to a lot of this. But do you think that old school is coming back?

BILL: I think it could come back. But the far left has been very effective in demonizing people who are old school.

GLENN: Explain what old school means to you.

BILL: It's basically a point of view. It doesn't have anything to do with values, by the way. That is totally different. Because you can be a liberal, and you can be old school, all right? You can be conservative and old school. Or you can be conservative and a snowflake. It has to do with point of view. And if you want to essentially boil it down to, the old school point of view is self-reliance. Okay?

You have to live your life. You have to succeed on your own. You can get help. That's fine. But it's basically you driving your success or failure. You driving your achievements or lack thereof. That's the old school philosophy.

The snowflake philosophy is totally opposite. I'm a victim. Everybody is bad. Look at this. I need a safe space. I need -- there's a trigger. Get that trigger away from me.

They can't basically tough out hard times. They fall apart. Snowflakes. They melt. So that's the two competing points of view now in the country. And you see what's happening on college campuses. Snowflake Bill has taken over. Taken over. And the media too. Absolutely in the media. Snowflake central. You know, the mainstream national media. So self-reliant people are the villains. The achievers are the bad people.

And the people who don't have or can't do it or can't buy their insurance, they're the victims. And the oppressive old school society is keeping them down.

GLENN: But isn't old school -- isn't old school, though, Bill, also about fierce independence? I mean, I think both sides right now --

BILL: Yeah, that's self-reliance. Fierce independence. Same thing. You're an old school guy.

GLENN: Hang on just a second. I think, Bill, that there is a -- a lot of people in the right media, that if you don't agree with Donald Trump, you don't have a -- I mean, you're part of the problem. You are --

BILL: But that's political. Yeah, that's political.

And old school doesn't really have anything to do with politics. It has to do with a personal philosophy.

Beck is old school. Okay? Because you have a belief system. All right?

So Glenn Beck has a belief system, which he talks about on his radio and television programs and debates others whose system isn't the same. But we all know what your system is. We all know what your belief system is. That's old school. You don't change every hour on the hour. Every week, you're different.

And that's all I'm saying. Old school doesn't have to do with politics. It has to do with personal point of view.

STU: Bill, I think an example of this potentially is -- I was listening to an interview with a New York Times crime reporter, and they were talking about how the media has changed in the way they cover police officers. And one of the examples they use is that journalism itself used to be a blue-collar job. It was this job where you mixed it up. You knew the cops. You understood the way that they worked. And it's changed to this sort of high educated thing, where they now seem to be judging the police. And that sort of old school mentality was, if you want do cover these things, you got into the middle of it. Isn't that part of it?

BILL: Well, my grandfather was an NYPD officer. And my father was a naval officer in World War II.

GLENN: Hang on. I'm having a hard time getting my arms around Officer O'Reilly, in New York, that was unheard of.

BILL: Yeah. So they had points of view that were old school, that there's right and wrong, here's how you behave, here's how you treat people, and all that. And the reporters who covered them, who covered my grandfather in the 1930s had the same values. Same exact values. But now, many of the reporters in -- and newspapers, in particular, TV as well, their values are totally different and totally opposite the law enforcement. There is no right and wrong. There's always a gray area. There's always an excuse, okay? It's not all --

GLENN: What gives you --

BILL: So they're not sympathetic to the cops.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: What gives you the feeling these values will come back around? This philosophy of, "Hey, I've got to be rigorous on the truth." I've got to be -- you know, I've got to, you know, pull my own weight. I've got to be decent to everybody. I mean, what makes you think this is going to come back around?

BILL: Well, I'm a hopeful guy in a sense that there's cycles in every country. And we're in a Civil War now, no doubt about it, okay? Cultural Civil War, which is why Trump was elected.

And if Trump is successful in -- in his economics, that's what it's all about. Bringing jobs and higher wages. Then he'll be reelected for another term. It's all about economics.

So it's not that Trump is an old school guy. I can't say whether he is or isn't. I just don't know him that well.

But it gives hope to the people that are rejecting this PC culture. Because certainly Donald Trump is not politically correct, right?

So if he -- if his power, all right? Consolidates. And he has a long run in the White House, that's going to give the anti-PC forces a real advantage.

Now, will they take advantage of it? I don't know.

GLENN: You think Gorsuch is going to get through?

BILL: Yes, of course.

GLENN: Are they going to make -- the Democrats going to make the Republicans use the nuclear option?

BILL: Maybe. I mean, it's a head count situation. There might be four or five Democrats that might go over. But it will probably top out at about 57. The Republican Party isn't going to sit around anymore and take this stuff. They can't because they look weak now. The Republicans look weak now. They have to look strong.

GLENN: What do you think about Trump saying over the weekend that this was the Heritage Foundation and the Freedom Caucus' fault and he was going to start looking to cobble together some Democrats to bring them in, what do you think of that?

BILL: I don't think that's possible. I think the Democratic Party, at this point, is in lockstep. Because they're afraid. They're afraid of Chuck Schumer. And they're afraid of Pelosi. Because if they go against them, then those people will actively try to destroy their careers. There's a lot of fear on the Hill, not so much in the Republican precincts. They don't fear Trump, at this point.

GLENN: You saw the video of --

BILL: But they do fear Schumer and Pelosi.

GLENN: You saw the video of Nancy Pelosi being booed in her own townhall in San Francisco. I mean, that old guard is looking very old.

BILL: Well, that's right. That's right.

GLENN: And it's not working anymore.

BILL: And there's a new poll out today from Berkeley that says in California, it's about 50/50 sanctuary city support. So about half of Californians don't want sanctuary cities. So there is a trend away from the madness, but whether there's going to be a leader emerge for the old school army, that's what is necessary. And I don't know if that's going to happen or not.

GLENN: Bill O'Reilly. Great book. Life in the Sane Lane. It's called Old School. Came out yesterday. Already number one. And it will be number one until this guy -- I think he's probably a cyborg at this point. I think Bill O'Reilly may have died five years ago, and we're just keeping him alive just to pump out books. But it will be number one, until -- until somehow or another an EMP goes off and all of a sudden you see Bill O'Reilly's program. And all of a sudden Bill O'Reilly goes (sound effect). That's when it will exposed.

Bill O'Reilly, Old School. Thank you so much, Bill. We'll talk to you again.

BILL: All right. Thanks for reading the book, Beck. Talk soon, bye.

GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.

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