GLENN: Also, this story from last week. I don't know if you saw this. The church mini bus that was driving down in rural Texas, it happened last Wednesday.
There is a video that came out of this guy in this big white truck. And he's being followed for 20 minutes.
And the person behind the car -- or, behind the truck, is videotaping him. He's like, he is all over the world. Thought he was drunk.
Called the sheriff in two counties -- crossed over to two counties. Called the sheriff's office in both counties and said, "You guys, you have to get out here. You have to arrest this guy before somebody gets killed. I don't know if he's drunk or what." Nobody responds. Nobody gets there in time.
He comes around the corner, and he hits a church mini bus. Thirteen people killed.
PAT: Oh, jeez. (sighing).
GLENN: The witness is a 55-year-old self-employed welder Jodi Kuchler. He and his girlfriend driving back to their home said he kept going off the road and onto oncoming traffic. And he just kept doing it. We called the sheriffs. Needed to get him off the road before he hit somebody.
He told the AP he witnessed the crash. And afterward, he checked both the bus and the truck and was able to speak with the driver of the truck. Twenty-year-old Jack Dylan Young of Leakey, Texas.
Now, imagine you at 20. He said, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was just texting." Jodi said, "Do you know what you just did?"
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry."
The wreck on Wednesday occurred during a curve in the road where the speed limit is 65 miles an hour. The bus occupants, the members of the First Baptist Church, were returning from their three-day retreat in Leakey, about 9 miles from where the crash happened. Twelve people died at the scene. Another died in the hospital.
One bus passenger remains hospitalized in serious, but stable condition. Young, the driver of the pickup, also remains hospitalized.
Dozens of cities across Texas prohibit the practice, although there is no statewide ban on texting while driving. There will be now.
PAT: Maybe there should be.
STU: Well, it's in 46 states. It's banned. And Texas is one of the four that only has a partial ban.
GLENN: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why we don't have -- I mean, there's no reason -- we all know -- it's like drinking and driving. We all know that.
PAT: It's a public safety issue.
STU: Studies have shown that when they do that, people tend to hide their phones and look down away from the road. So they actually -- at least early on, got in more accidents when there were texting bans. Because they're not stopping texting. They're just putting their phones lower so police don't see them. And then they look down at their phones to text. And it takes their eyes off the road, instead of putting it up where they can actually still see their inner field of view.
GLENN: That makes sense.
STU: So Libertarians argue on that basis. But it's one of those things that's pretty much everywhere anyway. We went over this. There's two states that have nothing at all. And two states that have partial bans. And Texas has a full ban, I believe, going through the process of being enacted. And this is certainly going to probably isolate that -- or, excuse me, make sure of it.
GLENN: The problem is, you know, the car is just as dangerous, if not more so than a loaded gun. You know, you would never walk around with a loaded gun and, you know, be texting and pointing the gun all over and having people go, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, he's got a right to text if he's got that gun." No, not if he's not responsible.
STU: Look, of course, everybody knows it's a bad idea. The question is whether you make it illegal or not. And, you know, there's arguments against it. I certainly understand the arguments for it as well.
I don't know that it actually makes a lot of people stop doing it. I think the people who are responsible enough to understand it's a bad idea are not going to do it because they think they don't want people to do to die, including themselves. So I think that's the real reason. I think most people don't do it. Again, people also know that they can get tickets for speeding, but they do it because they feel like it's -- it's actually fine. I know I can go 70 in a 55, and it's not a big deal.
GLENN: You don't know anybody like that, do you?
STU: Well, there's actually people -- and I've heard this, in Texas, that have had something like 12, 13 speeding tickets within like a couple of years.
GLENN: Right. Right. So much so, that you would lose your license and your insurance --
STU: Insurance goes through the roof in that scenario, right? Pat.
PAT: That's not me. Because I've had 15. So glad you're not talking about me.
GLENN: Fifteen tickets.
PAT: Well, that's over a four-year period of time.
JEFFY: Thank you.
GLENN: And he still has his license. In Texas, the man still has his license.