GLENN: So what do you think, Jason, the real goal of Vladimir Putin is? If it's not the port and the pipeline?
JASON: So I think Putin has always been in Syria, one to distract us because it's just great when the United States is bogged down the Middle East wars.
GLENN: Sure us and Afghanistan.
JASON: Exactly. Yep. And it has allowed him to get stronger in eastern Europe. It allowed him to move into Georgia, allowed him to move into Ukraine. But I think now the point of him staying in there is to eventually gain some kind of concession. So I said before that he doesn't have a major dog in that fight. We don't have a major dog in that fight.
So if no one's nervous today about going to war, I don't think there's a larger chance of us going to war. There's always a chance of someone doing something crazy, but there's a large chance of us going into war. And I think this is the way for everybody to win. I think they're going to hold out and get concessions. Remember, concessions on sanctions --
GLENN: Against them.
JASON: What's that?
GLENN: Against Russia.
JASON: Yeah, because of Ukraine, eastern Ukraine.
JASON: They'll dangle that out for their support or Trump if he's smart will take that out of his pocket and lay it on the table first and say, look, support us. Keep aside -- reign him in. If you do, then how about those sanctions? Then we'll release them. But Putin could -- he's about -- he could actually get the geopolitical mother lode on this. He could eventually get concessions on those sanctions, get those wiped out, and also get the antiballistic shield removed from Europe. Then it's do what you guys want. Then they'll pack up and not come back.
GLENN: If you're a conspiracy theorist and think Donald Trump is in bed to Russia to the level where they're playing games, if that happens, that seems providential for Russia, doesn't it?
JASON: Well, it pisses me off people make the argument that Trump is in bed with Russia after this. Oh, I told you he was going to release those sanctions. I see that as diplomacy. You could argue the Bush-era initiative, that shouldn't even happened. You could make that the argument that we are relations with Russia declined after that happened.
GLENN: Oh, that should have happened.