GLENN: Can I just -- can I just -- may I just -- I don't -- I mean, I don't want to -- I don't want to sound like this is a good thing by any stretch of the imagination. But how come we haven't caught this guy yet? I mean, don't we have all this technology that's been spooking the hell out of all of us?
PAT: I don't know. Maybe we don't have the technology we think we have because he should have been caught a long time ago, if we do.
GLENN: Right. I mean, we were also spooked by, you know, how the government could just grab you at any time. They can get your cell phone.
PAT: They know where you guy every minute of the day.
GLENN: This guy is uploading videos. And like, hey, I'm on Snapchat. And look at me. I mean, how do we not find him already?
PAT: I don't know. I don't know.
STU: Yeah, I go back and forth between, like the Edward Snowden view of the world, which is they have everything all the time, to this where like the most basic things happen --
GLENN: Right. How do we not have him?
STU: He's been on the phone with them.
PAT: I mean, on 24, we can transfer video to their screen on their cell phone 17 miles away. What -- we can't -- we can't find this stinking guy?
GLENN: Right. No, seriously. And, I mean, I'm so torn on this because I want this guy caught.
STU: The Cleveland murderer.
GLENN: And I can't believe that we don't have him in custody.
PAT: It's hard to believe.
GLENN: And I got up this morning. And I thought, this guys -- look, he's not the lead story today. He's not the lead story today. And by tomorrow, he certainly is going to be, you know, down in the -- does he decide, you know, I got to do something else. We have to catch this guy before he kills again. And who knows, maybe he already has killed people.
We don't know where he is. And so I'm -- I really want to catch this guy. And, on the other hand, I'm thinking, well, wow. Maybe the technology that the government -- we think the government has, they don't have all that.
GLENN: Because I can't believe we haven't triangulated this guy's position.
PAT: Yeah. Yeah.
GLENN: Maybe he's just -- maybe he's just completely gone off --
PAT: If they can turn on your computer in the middle of the night and watch you sleep, you would think they could find this guy.
GLENN: And -- and he still apparently has his phone because they pinged him in -- in Pennsylvania. He's turning off the phone. Well, what happened to the whole thing of, well, they can turn your -- your phone is never off.
GLENN: Well, apparently his is. You know what I mean. They know which phone it is.
STU: It's so weird.
GLENN: It's really strange. It's really strange.
STU: How do you even drive around these days without them knowing where you are? With cameras. With --
PAT: With GPS.
STU: What kind of car does he have? Yeah.
GLENN: What kind of car does he have? He has a newer car. How do they not have a tracking? In fact, he has like a Camaro or something. A newer -- something like that. What is it?
JEFFY: It was a Fusion. It was a Ford Fusion, right?
GLENN: Oh, was it a Fusion? No, he owes money on a car that wasn't a Fusion. But Fusion --
STU: There's a lot of technology in the Fusion.
GLENN: Doesn't the Fusion have the hard drive for all of the music?
PAT: I think it does. I think it does. And you can record your, like, CDs or your iPod into the car, and then the car just holds your music. I mean, that's really cool.
STU: Yeah, wouldn't necessarily get you found unless you played the music really loud. But still --
PAT: No, but it's got a lot of technology in it.
GLENN: It's got a lot of technology in it.
PAT: The Fords have a lot of technology in them.