GLENN: Listen to Ben Sasse. This is Ben Sasse over the weekend on this.
BEN: And here's what comes next in things like Russian interference in America and in other countries in the age of cyber war over the next decade. I'm obviously concerned about 2016. But I'm far more concerned about 2018 and 2020. Because here's what comes next: John Dickerson decides to run for office in 2018, and all of a sudden your credit card records get dumped in some sort of a cyber hack leak. And 97 percent of those records are going to be real. And there's going to be texture to it. And you were in City X on this day, and you were in City Y on this other date.
But 3 percent of the records are going to be fabricated. And they're going to be interwoven. And, John, you've been spending a lot of money at a women's clothing store in Chattanooga, but your wife isn't in Chattanooga. So that's weird.
And then there's public doubt about you. And then five days later, your phone records are dumped, and they're 99 percent accurate. But 1 percent, you're calling a brothel in Chattanooga on Tuesday nights when your wife is at bridge club.
BEN: That's what's coming next in the era of cyber war.
GLENN: He's exactly right.
BEN: And we're going to need to have some institutions that we can rely on and believe are apolitical when the public has more and more doubt. And right now, Washington isn't at all focused on the long-term challenge of rebuilding a shared narrative about America and institutional trust in our servant.
GLENN: So he's exactly right. And it's why I went, at the beginning of this hour, to talk about the FBI agents. We have to separate the good people of -- of America, that are in these institutions. And they need to stand up and make sure, good guys, please don't leave. Please don't leave. You have to fight it from the inside. And if there's political nonsense going on, you've got to whistle-blow.
Now, who are you going to whistle-blow to? I don't know. But it was the same thing I said about journalism under Barack Obama. And they didn't whistle-blow. And look at them now. Look at them now.
You have to -- this is the problem with the NSA record banks that are sitting there in Utah. You don't have access to them. They have everything in your life. And, yes, they're not listening. But if somebody would get a hold of those and be able to take every phone call, every text message, everything, and they dump 99.9 percent that is real, however you don't have -- you don't have copies of those things. You don't know what else. You can't put it into context. Because they're dumping this.
And then they're presenting it in a different way. Or they're adding one thing that isn't right. This is how disinformation works. This is how the former Soviet Union used to destroy people.
PAT: And this is why the phrase, well, I don't care if they're snooping. Let them. I'm not doing anything wrong. This is why that's so flawed. Because --
GLENN: And this is --
PAT: -- they'll make it look like you've done something wrong.
GLENN: And I want to talk to you clearly about one thing. This is why I've said get rid of all the secrets that you're hiding. Be completely transparent with everybody. Tell everybody the truth. Even the worst parts about you. Get it out. Let people know who you are.
And -- because what's going to happen is you will be afraid. If -- if this kind of stuff happens, you will be afraid of people finding out -- everybody has a secret. And it doesn't have to be criminal or -- it's just something that you fear. And it could just be as simple as, I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to lose my money. I don't want to lose, whatever.
If you are in that place when this world comes to visit, you are going to go to the dark side. Because you will be too afraid to lose your job, to lose your house, to lose whatever. You'll be too afraid. And you're seeing with this malware now, what can be done. And Ben Sasse is right. And, by the way, Ben Sasse will be joining us on Thursday on this program, live in studio. You don't want to miss it.