End of Medical Dark Ages: Entrepreneur Predicts When We'll Have Cancer Under Control

Serial entrepreneur, historian and dreamer Jay Walker joined Glenn on radio Wednesday for an epic conversation about the future of America.

"If you are a dreamer and a doer, this is going to be a fantastic hour. I have wanted to sit down with this guy for quite some time," Glenn said Wednesday on radio.

Walker --- labeled the Edison of his age by Forbes in 1999 --- is a modern-day Renaissance man. While his day job involves creating cutting-edge companies like and that provide a patented, buyer-driven experience, his obsession is finding the connectedness . . . in everything. The breakthroughs he sees coming in the fields of health and medicine are of particular interest.

"For 3 billion years, life on the planet has followed a very simple system," Walker said. "We all share the same DNA --- a tree, a dog, a human. We have so much in common. For the first time in human history, in the history of the world, humans have control of the operating code. We are now manipulating the DNA, which means, for the first time, it's as if we had the software of life."

Walker explained how scientists are at the cusp of operating down to the instructional layer, which creates the proteins that create the tissues, systems and organs of the body.

"It's almost as if we're inventing printing, reading, writing and thinking all at the same time in forms of medicine," Walker said.

In effect, we're living in an extraordinary time in the history of the world.

"We're at the end of the medical Dark Ages," Glenn offered.

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So passionate is Walker about the field of medicine he helped launch TEDMED, an independent health and medicine edition of the world-famous TED conference.

"How far do you think we are away from curing the majority of cancer?" Glenn asked.

According to Walker, it's not so much curing cancer that's around the corner, but being able to manage it as a livable disease like AIDS.

"How far do you think we are away from that?" Glenn asked.

"If you're saying leukemias and blood cancers, we're probably five years, maybe 10," Walker said.

"Holy cow," Glenn responded.

Walker's belief in the systematic, connectedness of everything even applies to his remarkable library which holds 25,000 books.

"People come to my library and they say, 'How are the books organized, Jay? How do you organize the books? You have 25,000 books. Is there a card catalog?' I say, 'Absolutely not. They're organized randomly by height,'" Walker laughed.

The library, Walker says, is one of imagination.

"They were all written by humans. They're all connected. You figure out why this is connected to that. The act of imagining is the essential act of creation. Nothing happens if you don't imagine it, whether it's who you're going to marry, the children you want to have, the kind of country you want to live in, the kind of job you want to have. It's all about your imagination. Everything happens here first. It happens in your head."

Enjoy the complimentary clip or listen to this segment for details.

GLENN: I first talked to Jay Walker -- I've known about him for a long, long time. But I first met Jay Walker on the phone -- this is the first time we've actually sat in the same room together.

And immediately, I felt connected to him and the way he thinks. He's an optimist. He sees a massive change on the horizon. But he knows it doesn't have to be bad. It probably is going to be a little rough getting there. But it doesn't have to be bad. And he sees the future unlike most people do. And he sees it through the eyes of history, which is so wickedly important. Just full disclosure, he is the guy who started which is an advertiser on this program. But I do want to ask him one question on something he told me about Upside when we first spoke. But this is not an advertisement. We're not even going to talk about that. You need to meet this man.

He's just started something called Ted MD, which is TED talks -- no, I'm sorry. Med Ted. Sorry. Med Ted. Yeah, TEDMED.

Jeez, how many times am I going to get this wrong?

STU: You only asked him three times before you came on the air.

GLENN: I know. I know. What am I thinking?

So he started this, and I want to start here. I hate to bring it to a cheesy TV show, but I've been watching a show -- and now I can't even remember the name of it. It is --

JEFFY: Pure Genius, which was just cancelled.

GLENN: Pure Genius. Was it cancelled?


GLENN: Oh, crap. That was such an optimistic show.

JEFFY: I know. I know.

GLENN: Have you seen that?

JAY: I have not.

GLENN: Okay. So the premise is a guy who is a billionaire, you know, a guy like you . . . just a serial entrepreneur, tech guy. He's in Silicon Valley. He's like, I'm going to start a hospital. And it shows --

JAY: Oh, boy. You'd be better starting a government.

GLENN: But it shows all the -- it takes all the red tape out and shows all the tech that is coming and how optimistic life really looks when you look at what's on the horizon and the breakthroughs we're about to go through.

As you're doing this, what are you seeing for --

JAY: Well, Glenn, the way to think about it for health and medicine, is that for 3 billion years, life on the planet has followed a very simple system. It's very simple. There's one -- you know, there's DNA. We have a common ancestor. And it's been evolving for 3 billion years, give or take depending on your beliefs. And I'm not picking on anybody's beliefs.

But the fact is, we all share the same DNA --- a tree, a dog, a human. We have so much in common. For the first time in human history, in the history of the world, humans have control of the operating code. We are now manipulating the DNA. Which means, for the first time, it's as if we had the software of life. That's never happened in history before.

It means for the first time, we're going to be able to operate down at the instruction layer, which creates the proteins, which then creates the tissues and the systems and the organs of the body. So we're right at the cusp.

It's almost as if we're inventing printing, reading, writing, and thinking all at the same time in forms of medicine. And so we are living at the beginning of an extraordinary time in the history of the world.

GLENN: We're at the end of the medical Dark Ages.

JAY: Exactly. It's as if we had just gotten the microscope for the first time, and we saw there was a tiny world that nobody knew existed. In 1665, Hook looks through his microscope, and he sees that the fly is composed of thousands of little eyes. And he says, "What is this micro world? What are these little things swimming around?"

And he can't even see bacteria. He can't even see the smallest things. And yet, an entirely new world opens up. Galileo looks into the heavens and sees that there are planets, but also sees that there are moons around Saturn and Jupiter. And suddenly, the notion that the earth is in the center of the universe drops away. The telescope and the microscope were the great changes of the 17th century. And now we're in the 21st century, and we're now seeing for the first time the actual code that brings things to life.

GLENN: We're seeing things -- Ray Kurzweil, I've talked to several times. I am --

JAY: The singularity, right? Ray talks about, we're about to hit this point at which everything breaks free and goes on an extraordinary compounding effect, and whether or not you agree or disagree with Ray, there is no question if you back up and you look at where we are in history, in medicine and health, we are about to exit the Dark Ages.

GLENN: So he said it's as if -- he said, the human body should last a lot longer than it does. It shouldn't wear out. He said, it's as if there's a switch somewhere that's just been turned off. And he said, we just have to find that switch. Are you -- when you look at the DNA --

JAY: Yeah, I wouldn't agree with Ray on that, but I understand where he's coming from.

The human body isn't a thing. The human body is a system. Think of the Amazon rain forest. It's composed of enormous different things. It's got trees and insects. It's got birds. It's got animals. It's got leaves. It's got photosynthesis. It's got fungi.

It's got all these things, and we call it the Amazon. It's constantly changing. You are an Amazon rain forest. You have trillions of --

GLENN: I think that's a fat joke --

JEFFY: It certainly was a fat joke to me.

JAY: So we don't switch on or off the Amazon rain forest. No, the Amazon rain forest isn't going away, despite, you know, our efforts to cut it down for lumber or to grow grass. But that being said, it's about a system.

What we're learning is how all the different systems of the body, including many that are not even human, we're learning about the microbiome. These are bacteria that we need to survive in our guts and all throughout us, for which without them, we can't make it.

GLENN: How far do you think we are away from curing the majority of cancer?

JAY: I think we're far from curing the majority. But we're not far from turning a significant number of cancers into a manageable, livable disease, like we did with AIDS.

We figured out not how to cure AIDs, but how to slow it down so you could live with the rest of your life with it, much like all men have prostate cancer. We just don't die of it.

But literally, 100 percent of men, if you do an autopsy at age 75, are going to have prostate cancer. They simply are not going to die from it.

Cancer is essentially a natural byproduct of having multicellular organisms. Because in the process of duplicating at the cellular level, you're going to have some mistakes randomly, and some of those mistakes are going to be so damned good at not being killed, that they're going to reproduce in a way that's bad for the organism as a whole, but good for the cell. So we don't eliminate cancer. We eventually figure out how to manage with it.

GLENN: How far do you think we are away from that?

JAY: If you say 50 percent of -- if you're saying leukemias and blood cancers, we're probably five years, maybe ten.

GLENN: Holy cow.

JAY: If you're saying soft tissue cancers, more like ten to 20. But a lot of it depends on whether or not we get better at finding them sooner. Today, we cannot detect cancer until it's about seven years old. So when somebody comes from a doctor and they say, "I've been diagnosed with cancer," you've had it for seven years. We can't see less than 100 million cells, which is less than the tiny point of a pin, 100 million cancer cells.

So cancer is a system disease of which we have many in our bodies, most of which will never come to the point where they hurt us. Cancer isn't like an infection where it's binary, you have it or you don't. Cancer is a symptom of the system. And the system learns to cope with it for most of your life.

GLENN: What's the most amazing thing you seen on the horizon in medical tech?

JAY: The most amazing thing is probably the mapping of the human protyle. So we call all the -- the proteins are the workhouses of the body --

PAT: That's what I was going to say.

JAY: They're the things that do all the work in your body. Your DNA codes for proteins. Proteins are the worker bees of the body at the simplest level. We really have never mapped them all. And it turns out most of the diseases, if not nearly all of them are dysfunctions of protein operations. Proteins are very complicated organisms. They're very, very small, but they're very complicated. We are now at the cusp of mapping them all.

And forget about mapping the human genome, which is great. It's the protium where all the action is at, and we're right about to map it.

GLENN: What will that change?

JAY: Well, it will allow us, for the first time, to understand what's really going on with disease. Up to now, we've actually not understood what's really going on.

GLENN: What does that mean?

JAY: Well, it means that the proteins are malfunctioning. When you have a disease --

GLENN: Hang on just a second. I just want to -- you know you're in the room with someone who is smart when you're -- I'm now in three levels deep of asking what the hell does that mean, and really --

JAY: I'm trying -- I'm trying to keep it broad for the audience. I'm not an MD or a PhD. I'm really not a doctor. I just talk to them all day.

GLENN: No, it's amazing. Right.

JAY: And, by the way, that's my spare time job because my main job is building a great company in Upside. So ironically, we're off on the side here.

But the -- basically, what it means is when we learn how proteins behave badly, we will recognize that your arthritis may be very similar to the fact that you have a sleep apnea, that they are the same proteins, just misbehaving.

There is a map of all the proteins.


JAY: And once we start to look at where the proteins are behaving badly, we now have the tools to finally figure out what the hell is going on with these diseases. We don't know anything about Alzheimer's. So much of that is a protein --

GLENN: So that's why sometimes you'll go in and things are absolutely not connected. Doctors will tell you, that's not connected. Well, but they're all happening at the same time.

JAY: Right.

GLENN: And, yeah, I know they're not connected. But I've never had these before, and now they're all happening.

JAY: Everything is connected. Okay? So anybody who tells you something isn't connected -- you don't go into the Amazon rain forest and say, well, the fact that the toads are dying is unconnected to the blight on the trees. No, everything is connected. The question is, at what level?

GLENN: Right.

JAY: Does it have a common cause? Or is it the result of common external factors? We're learning all that.

GLENN: You know what I'm amazed, talking to people like you, A, I feel really average. That's being very kind.

JAY: This isn't your area of expertise, in all fairness.

GLENN: I know. But, still, this is -- this is not your job.

JAY: It's not my day job.

GLENN: And the people I meet like you, have they always been around? Because I look through history -- and you'll see the people like Tesla and Edison. You'll see these people who are really quite bright in a million different things. We used to call them renaissance men.

JAY: Yeah.

GLENN: But there is something about this new group of entrepreneurs that they are -- Jon Huntsman Sr. is a friend of mine and started the Huntsman Cancer Center.

JAY: Yeah.

GLENN: And he said to me -- I asked him, teach me how to be charitable. I've been poor my whole life. I don't know how to be charitable.

JAY: It's an art. You have to learn how to do it.

GLENN: Yes. And he said, first lesson, you have to care about everything. Not just -- you have to care about everything.

And that kind of goes to --

JAY: It's very American. So this is a nation of insatiable curiosity. It's always been that way. It's because we've had the West. We were founded by a group of people who were fleeing somewhere else, with the handful of exceptions of the people who were here, right?

We've all come from somewhere else. We've all left a world behind, in order to come and build a new world in America. Nobody even knew it existed until 1500.

So the beauty of the American spirit is it's a spirit of insatiable curiosity. That's why we're a nation of tinkerers, a nation of inventors, a nation that's always trying to change. We don't look back as a nation. It's a weakness and a strength both at the same time.

But the fact is, this is -- the country -- America looks forward. People like that are insatiably curious about everything. And you find whether it's John Muir or Thomas Edison, these people recognized that at the deepest level, it's all connected.

So I have a great library in the history of human imagination. About 25,000 books.

GLENN: Love this.

JAY: Right? Now, it's a library about imagination. People come to my library. And they say, "How are the books organized, Jay? How do you organize the books? You have 25,000 books. Is there a card catalog?"

I say absolutely not. They're organized randomly by height. And he goes, "You have a library of 25,000 books organized randomly?" I said, "Yes. It's about imagination. You connect them. They were all written by humans. They're all connected. You figure out why this is connected to that."

The act of imagining is the essential act of creation. Nothing happens if you don't imagine it, whether it's who you're going to marry, the children you want to have, the kind of country you want to live in, the kind of job you want to have. It's all about your imagination -- everything happens here first. It happens in your head.

GLENN: We're having a great debate now between the legal and business side and the creative side of this company, of what -- who is the creative? And I keep saying, everyone is.

JAY: We all work for the customer. We all work for the customer.

GLENN: It's not even that, I am, fill in the blank. I am happy or I am sad. What are you going to create at the basic level? And everyone has the same power in a different way. Just, what are you creating?

JAY: Yeah. And we've taught, unfortunately, in so many ways, we live in a society of specialists. We've taught, specialize. Focus on one field. Do the best. Your economic result will be highest if you specialize.

And that's true. But it's generalists who integrate completely, unexpectedly. When you look at Steve Jobs and his life, you see a generalist. Not a specialist. You see a guy who was happy to go to India, happy to learn about type fonts, happy to understand the aesthetics of design. And yet, he was a technologist. Why? Because, really, great leaps forward are made by people who integrate from multiple fields. And that's why we call them polymaths, when they happen to be geniuses. Leonardo was a polymath. He was a genius in five fields. That allowed him to be a bigger genius in any one of them. And we see this throughout history.

GLENN: We're going to run out of time so fast. Jay Walker, a serial entrepreneur. A founder -- cofounder of Priceline. And many other things -- 900 patents. We'll continue our conversation with him in just a second.


GLENN: Let's talk a little bit about the -- the future and what you're seeing in things like Priceline and Upside.

JAY: So one of the great futures is we're living in this digital world, right? And everybody is saying, look at all this data. Okay. What does that mean to me? What does that mean to a person sitting out in the audience, and just listening and saying, okay. That's nice. The world is filled with data.

Here's one of the things it means. It means your flexibility, which right now you don't get paid for, you're going to start getting paid for.

Look, when you're walking down the supermarket aisle and you see an item on sale, next to one that isn't on sale, you can be flexible and say, I'm going to buy the brand that's on sale today because I normally buy that brand.

But that's just a small case. What happens every time you're shopping online and somebody says, "Hey, are you willing to be a little flexible? I'll give you $50, if you do this instead of that." I'll give you $90 if you do this instead of that."

Imagine a smart piece of software that offers you options that gives you personally more money for being flexible. And, by the way, gives your boss something too.

So the key idea behind one of the things I'm working on is, how do you turn flexibility into an asset? How do you turn it into something where I have my phone -- hey, look, I want to go to New York on a trip. But if I leave 15 minutes earlier, you'll give me $50. If I leave -- if I go into a different airport, you'll give me $100. If I stay at a hotel across the street, that's worth $200 to me.

I can't find all those choices. There's too many choices. But software can.

The beauty of the world we're living in, with this new big data software, is it can evaluate tens of thousands of choices for you. Show you just a few that makes sense.

GLENN: So when we come back -- can you talk a little bit about that? Because you've demonstrated that in Upside. And that's -- I got to that with you because I said, okay. What's the catch? And you explained it to me. And I'm like, holy cow, that's brilliant.

And you said to me, now, imagine that with everything.

So let's talk about that. And also, I want to talk about the -- the world that is going out and examining all these things, but then putting us into little teeny boxes, where we don't see the big picture anymore.

Glenn SHOCKED at how FAST everyone abandoned Russell Brand

Glenn SHOCKED at how FAST everyone abandoned Russell Brand

London's Metropolitan Police force has opened an investigation into accusations made against comedian Russell Brand. This comes after the BBC, Brand's publisher and talent agency, sponsors like Burger King, and even the British Parliament have come after or abandoned him based solely on allegations. Glenn argues that while we still don't know the truth about whether Brand is guilty or not, it's shocking to see just how fast and viciously everyone has abandoned him. Is this the global elites' way of punishing him for speaking out against their plans? Glenn also reviews a similar story about NFL star Chandler Jones, who claims he was taken against his will to a mental health hospital by the Las Vegas fire department, injected, and forced to sleep on the floor after posting a "disturbing social media rant" — which he says was the result of a hack. Do we still live in a society where people are innocent until proven guilty?


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Pat, can you help me out? How does an investigation usually work with the police? Do they -- do they watch TV and hear claims, and then they go and investigate?

PAT: Oh, my gosh. You must be a police insider. That's exactly how it works.

GLENN: I'm not wrong, right?

PAT: I would never do that. No.

GLENN: Okay. British police have opened a sex crimes investigation triggered by news reports covering Russell Brand.

PAT: Oh, my gosh. Isn't that something? This is so clear, that they hate his guts, because of the things that he's been saying.

GLENN: No. Two things could be true. He could absolutely be this guy.

PAT: Right. He could. He could.

But my guess is, if this was ten years ago, or 15 years ago, he wouldn't have this problem at all.


PAT: They would be coming after him.

GLENN: At the time, he did it on the BBC.

PAT: Right. Right.

GLENN: London's Metropolitan Police Force said Monday, that it had received a number of allegations of sexual offenses after a television documentary and newspaper investigations.

But there had been no arrests. Brand. Russell Brand denies allegations of sexual assault made by four women, in a Channel 4 television documentary and the Times -- Sunday Times newspapers.

The accusers who have not been named, include one who said she was sexually assaulted during a relationship with him. When she was 16. Another one says, Brand raped her in Los Angeles in 2012. Last week, a woman accused Brand of exposing himself to her, in 2008.

The woman told CBS News partner network BBC news, that she was working in the same building, where the BBC's Los Angeles office was. And when the incident occurred, Brand went on to the air to laugh about it, moments later on his radio show.

Well, we should be able to find that. The police force did not name Brand in its statement. But referred to recent articles in a documentary.

Said, its detectives were investigating allegations of non-recent sexual offenses, both in London and elsewhere.

We continue to encourage anyone who believes they may have been a victim of sexual offense, no matter how long it was, to contact us. We need to understand, it can feel like a difficult step to take.

And I want to reassure, that we have a team of specialist officers available to advise and support.

This is coming from their detective superintendent.

Brand has denied the allegations, saying his relationships have always been consensual. Even though, he was in an admitted period of being very, very promiscuous. That's a quote from him.

Known for his unbridled and risky standup routines, Brand was a major UK star in the early 2000s.

He hosted shows on radio and television, wrote memoirs, charting his battles with drug and alcohol, appeared in several Hollywood movies, and was briefly married to Katy Perry between 2010 and 2012.

Brand has largely disappeared from the mainstream media, but has built up a large following online with videos, mixing wellness and conspiracy theories.

Last week, YouTube said it would stop Brand from making money from the streaming site, where he has 6.6 million subscribers. Due to the serious allegations against him.

In an exclusive interview with CBS Mornings, the YouTube CEO said, they -- they decided to suspend monetization of Brand's channel because of YouTube's creator responsibility guidelines policy.

Quote, if creators have off-platform behavior, or there's an off-platform news that could be damaging to the broader creator ecosystem, you could be suspended from your monetization program. CBS mornings co-host Tony whatever said.

It has impacted a large number of creators and personalities on the platform in the past. YouTube went on to say, that's what played out in this particular case around the serious allegations.

So they have -- by the way, he's been dropped by his talent agency. He has been dropped for live performances.

And his publisher has also dropped him. So this guy has nothing. He has nothing. And he hasn't been charged with a crime.

PAT: And that happens so quickly.everybody got on board, right away.

And if you didn't get on board, the BBC is coming knocking at your door, asking you why. Hey, are you about to demonetize him? They were trying to get Rumble to demonetize him.

Rumble said, no. We're not going to do that.

GLENN: The parliament. Parliament, told Twitter to demonetize him and shut him down.

Parliament. I've never heard of that before.

So there's something very, very wrong here. And two things could be true.

He might have done these things. So don't wash your hands of that. Let's make sure that we know what happened.

But the other thing that is true. This has never happened before.

I've never seen. You had Menendez just a few minutes ago saying, well, you know, the charges. You're innocent until proven guilty.

And I demand. Well, what about Russell Brand? What about Russell Brand?

The story that is related to this, is a story about Chandler Jones. Do you know anything about Chandler Jones?

PAT: Very little.

GLENN: So he has claimed now, because he set off a tweet, where he said, the owner of the Raiders. And the head coach. Or the GM. He can't work for anymore.

Because the -- I think it was the owner had -- had information, and was protect protecting a man that molested his goddaughter. Okay?

And then nobody is really talking about that.

Nobody is really focused on this story.

And I don't know what this story was really all about.

Listen to this. NFL star Chandler Jones has claimed he was taken against his will, to a mental health hospital by the Las Vegas Fire Department last week. In an alarming social media post on Monday night, Jones said he had been injected against his will, and forced to sleep on the floor.

It comes a week after Jones went on a disturbing social media rant, accusing Raiders' owner Mark Davis of protecting the identity of a man he claims molested his goddaughter.

Jones, who is the younger brother of USC champion, John, later said that he had been hacked.

In a post on X, captioned first day out, but I'm still alive. Jones wrote: First day out. If my fans and friends were wondering, I was taken by the Las Vegas Fire Department last week against my will.

I was injected with, I don't know what.

They say that it was a court hold, and the Las Vegas police put me on it.

I hadn't done anything wrong. The police said, people were concerned about me. Because of my posts online.

I answered. Yeah. I know.

I answered my front door, and a group of five to seven were there to put me in an ambulance, where I was later ejected.

And I asked them not to.

I had in cell phone. Or in communication.

I was taken to Southern Hills Hospital. And transferred to Seven Hills, where they tried to force me to take meds and injections.

The NFL and Raiders star Jones, 33, added, I called Raiders' GM six to seven times, asking for help. And wondered if he had put me in here. But he had never answered.

I even left him voicemails. I was just trying to figure out, why I'm not allowed in the building. And still, why I don't have to continue to watch my brother suffer every Sunday. But no answer.

This place is not a place for high-profile athletes.

My first night, I slept on the floor. And was not offered a bed.

My brothers had nothing to bring me.

My brothers had to bring me decent meals to eat, and clothe.

My dad read to me Bible versus.

Every day, I miss, is $1 million. And I'm still confused on what I did wrong.

I'm still here. And I'm very sane.

Now, he goes on.

This is disturbing.

And again, I don't know what the truth is, on this.

But this isn't the first person that has been put into a mental institution.

Now, he's put into a mental institution, he claims. Because of his online post.

This is the way Stalin used to do it.

And maybe he is crazy, I don't know.

But listen to this story.

The mistress of a Pennsylvania police officer, spent three days in a mental hospital, after he had her involuntarily committed, when they broke up.

Ronald Davis is now facing charges for abusing his power and authority, to convince peers to issue a mental health valuation, and section his girlfriend.

Davis is married with kids, according to police records. He was having a relationship with the girl. Also 37.

They were together for -- for months, until the romance soured. He then told her, he would make her look crazy, and he did.

Pennsylvania state police confirmed Davis had been suspended without pay today. He's also facing felony strangulation and false imprisonment charges.

So I guess now we're going into a time, where we're putting people into mental institutions, that we either don't like, or maybe are saying something -- I mean, I don't know what's going on.

I just know. Have you seen these before?

PAT: No. No. It's really chilling.

GLENN: I mean, with Russell Brand, if you have done something, you need to pay the price for justice.

You need to pay the price.

If you are somebody who is living life on the edge, you're not going to be safe.

You're not. You have to do the right thing.

Just do the next right thing. If you have something in your life, clean it up right now. Clean it pick up.

You don't need anything in your life that you have to worry about. Just do the right thing. Because they will find things that you are doing and take you out.

And if you're just and it's not true, I believe it will work itself out. But if you are dirty and corrupt and have done something, the best thing to do is just pay the price. Let God work it out. Stop whatever you're doing. Turn back to God.

But we are living in times where things could get very, very dicey. They want to put you in jail with AI, and with deepfakes. There's a -- there's not a lot going for you. If they do want to put you in jail.

Just do the right thing. Stay active. Stay involved. Always speak your mind.

But shod your feet in the gospel of peace, always.

Why Glenn WANTS a government shutdown — and ALL TAXPAYERS should too

Why Glenn WANTS a government shutdown — and ALL TAXPAYERS should too

The United States is yet again on the verge of a government shutdown as House Republicans work to cut spending. But is that really a bad thing as the media has suggested? Glenn and Pat debunk some of the myths surrounding this current shutdown debate and review a "60 Minutes" report that details what your tax dollars are actually funding. Did you know that your money is bailing out small businesses in Ukraine? Meanwhile, here at home, small businesses are suffering under inflation. "We are destroying ourselves," Glenn warns, as the Biden administration depletes our munitions and oil supplies. So, maybe it's about time for a government shutdown.


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Oh, man, I am so concerned about the government shutdown. And Pat is here to share my panic.

PAT: Oh man. I am scared. I am scared.

GLENN: What are we going to do?

PAT: I don't know. Same thing we always will, only it will be better. Because they are spending less of our money.

GLENN: But can they? Can they spend less of our money?

PAT: Well, they have to if the government shuts down, which is the beauty of a government shutdown.

They have to do all the necessary things. Like pay off the Social Security benefits and the veterans benefits, and all of that. They have to continue to do that, and they do.

STU: Yeah, including the interest.

PAT: Right. Right.

STU: You notice they're not talking about defaulting on the debt this time. That's weird.

PAT: That is weird.

GLENN: That was their biggest concern. We will default on the at the time. I haven't heard word one on defaulting on the debt.

PAT: I haven't either.

GLENN: That's weird. Now they're trying to say, you know these Republicans, they want to have a government shutdown. Because they want to shut down the ATF. Yeah. Yeah. At least we're honest about it. You know, all the things you want to do. Oh, how dare you, we want to take guns away. We love guns. I was kissing mine last night. Oh, I cleaned the tongue. I cleaned the barrel of my gun with my tongue, I love it so much.

Shut up!

PAT: And while we're at it, maybe the FBI too. Maybe that can go as well. Maybe that can go.

GLENN: And I don't know. The IRS. That wouldn't be a bad thing.

PAT: Yeah. Department of Education. Yeah. Get rid of all the nonessential nonsense.

GLENN: Yeah. Kevin McCarthy says, we're not going to default.

We have a number of days until funding runs out.

Do you know what we didn't have until -- until 1980.

Government shutdowns?

We never had them.

If -- you know, if the budget wasn't done, and it happened many times, you know, since 1776.

The budget wasn't done. They just went on, and no big deal. The budget will be finished soon.

But now, after 1980, I wonder what changed.

PAT: Huh.

GLENN: I wonder what changed. Because now we have to shut it down.

No. We really don't. We really don't. It's all funny money in the first place, you know.

PAT: That's for sure.

GLENN: So the -- the House Republicans are working hard today, to get everybody on the same page.

And that is, yeah. We should stop spending all of this -- this money.

You know.

And what do you say? We start with a few things. Like, no. The taxpayer shouldn't pay for abortions.

And send people on a vacation. At our expense.

And then at the end of that vacation, they have an abortion. No. Uh-uh.

No. No. I don't think so. Uh-uh.

PAT: How do you feel about the money going to Ukraine though? You love this for small business loans?

GLENN: Well, now, hold on just a second.

We're trying to help them win a war. Let me -- let me give you a couple of clips, from CBS.

When was the last time 60 Minutes actually did something where, he cared about.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Well, they did this weekend. Listen to this from 60 Minutes. Cut one.

VOICE: What Americans have to pay is financing more than just weapons. We've discovered the US governments are buying seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers, and covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders.

VOICE: Yeah. Yeah, 57,000 of them. That includes between the trains. This rescue dog named, Joy, to comb through the wreckage of Russian strikes and looking for survivors.

GLENN: Okay. I don't mind helping that one.

VOICE: And the US also funds the divers who we saw clearing unexploded ammunition from the country --

GLENN: Maybe that. Maybe.

VOICE: To make them safe again. The swimming and fishing. Russia's invasion shrank Ukraine's economy by about a third. We were surprised to find that to keep it afloat, the US government is subsidizing small businesses.

GLENN: Wait. What. Hold it. Now, the dog thing. Okay. If we can help out on the dog thing, fine.

PAT: And it seems to be connected to the war.

GLENN: Yeah. And finding the unexploded bombs in the rivers.

Okay. Okay. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Paying 56,000 firefighters to show up.

You know we're also paying the government salaries. And we're paying the people's Social Security. Okay?

We're not even paying it here.

And every dollar that we print to send over there, is causing inflation, here.

So while our -- while we're getting poorer and poorer, it's almost like he designed it to be this way.

While we're getting poorer and poorer, they're -- they're getting bailed out by our government. And every time we send a dollar over there, you get poorer.

And it's not because it's taking money.

It's because we're printing money. Inflation.

So now we find out, that they're also, they're not helping small businesses here.

No. No. No.

When we had COVID. No. Home Depot.

Sure. Home Depot. I mean, they're safe.

But the Ma and pop stores, they're completely unsafe.

Huh! And now we're paying.

But wait, there's more. Cut two.

VOICE: Russia's invasion shrank Ukraine's economy by about a third. We were surprised to find that to keep it afloat, the US government is subsidizing small businesses, like Tatiana's mid-ware company.

PAT: Oh.

VOICE: That's cute.

GLENN: Oh, that is very nice.

VOICE: This fashion is a condition of war. We have to work. We have to pay taxes. We have to pay --

GLENN: Taxes. Oh, no.

VOICE: To our employees. We have to work. Don't stop.

VOICE: Why does that help Ukraine win the war?

VOICE: Because economy, it's a foundation of advocacy.

It's an aid from government, but it's an aid, say, from their heart of every ordinary American person.

GLENN: Okay. So wait. Hang on just a second. I'm not sure all that aid is from the heart of every American. Because we didn't know. If they would have asked us to help out, we would have been -- we would have been great. We are the most charitable nation in the history of the world.

PAT: And we would. We do give charitably.

GLENN: Correct.

PAT: More than the rest of the world, combined.

GLENN: Correct. But instead, they went through our government. And our government didn't tell us what they're doing. And they are doing things that are causing us pain. And not just pain.

What's happening here is, we are destroying ourselves. We're giving them all of our tanks and ammunition, that we are now dangerously low.

Dangerously low.

We don't have enough howitzer shells in you, to do any kind of war.

And we can only make 25,000 of those, a month.

Russia is using 60,000 a day.

A day. So I don't know.

I don't feel comfortable with this.

We've also destroyed our own oil supply. Our strategic oil reserve, almost gone.

We're destroying our ability to make oil, to find oil. To find oil. To refine it into gasoline. And yet, we're sending stuff over there.

We're letting everybody have whatever they want over there.

Including fertilizer.

Which our farmers are being told, we can't use any more, because of global warming.

Huh. Now, that's weird. How come it's okay for Ukraine. But not for us.

You haven't even passed a farm bill over here, to help our farmers.

But we're buying their grain over there. Which, by the way, because they're getting free grain.

They're planting crops. They can now sell it at such a low cost. That Poland has said, you're killing our farmers.

We can't support you anymore, Ukraine.

See what happens when man starts to get involved in ways that he shouldn't get involved?

See what happens? All of the unexpected consequences that come from this?

Or maybe they are expected.

So now, the Biden administration is requesting over $20 billion more. We wondered how they were paying for it.

We wondered where it was going.

Well, there are some things that you should probably know.

There is -- there is some questioning of some of the people that were in the administration over there.

And part of the group that was getting the money, and divvying it out. I think about 60 of them now, are actually being investigated.

Or going to jail. Or have lost their jobs.

Because they were corrupt. And taking and using our money for other things.

I just didn't know we were paying for everything over there.

Things that we wouldn't pay for us, over here.

Didn't know that. Just --

PAT: Nobody did.

Except the administration.

Until Sunday, with 60 Minutes.

GLENN: Yeah. And USAID. Which is now run by Cass Sunstein's wife.

Remember her?

She's in charge of USAID. And that's where all this money is coming from. And being distributed through.

Now, one last thing.

You know, that lady at least sounded grateful.

I want you to listen to the Ukrainian's -- hmm. Tell us how they really feel about our money. Your money. Listen.

VOICE: The country is fighting formal its survival. Bankrolled in large part by US taxpayers.

The outcome may be decided by America's willingness to keep paying.

VOICE: Some Americans say, we're very sympathetic to you, Americans. But we're going through tough times at home, and we just can't afford to keep supporting you.

VOICE: Ukrainians pay with their lives.

GLENN: Ukrainians pay with their lives. And...

VOICE: And I believe all their lives are much more than money. Much more than taxpayer's money.

GLENN: Their lives count much more than taxpayer's money. Yeah. It does. It does.

Although, nobody asked us. Now, this is what Joe Biden is talking about, when he calls for -- when he's saying, it's going to be a government shutdown.

You don't have to shut it down. Just agree to send any more money to Congress.

And then propose exactly what you want. And exactly where it's going.

Go through the proper channels for it. But you don't want to do that. Because you know.

I mean, I find it amazing. That CBS and 60 Minutes. Ran this right at the beginning of the budget stuff.

STU: Yeah. Incredible.

GLENN: That says something.

STU: Yeah. It does. It says, even they are getting fed up now with the shenanigans of this administration.

GLENN: Hopefully.

PAT: I hope so.

And I think, you know, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. But I think even the liberals in the media, are disgusted with this president.

And they see the fact.

And even if they're not disgusted. They understand he's a problem. And he might not win.

Because people are seeing, how compromised he is, mentally and physically. And so this might be part of encouraging him to exit.

GLENN: By the way, we now have photos of the ambassador -- the American ambassador, that was over in Ukraine.

Meeting twice with the Burisma official. After being told the firm was corrupt.

So we were told, that they didn't know anything. It's impossible to not know that Burisma and the head of Burisma was a total oligarch, that literally beheads the people, that -- that are in his way. And our American ambassador was told, as was Joe Biden, don't meet with these guys.

Don't. They're really, really bad. But the Burisma official, who worked closely with Hunter Biden was invited to two separate events, by the US ambassador.

For what reason? For what reason?

After she was told, have no contact with this person.

What was going on? What is still going on?

Why are we bankrupt America. This isn't America 1960, 1940. We have lost our manufacturing base. We are now in the midst of losing our cheap energy. And we have lost our cheap labor.

So what made America, America, in the 1940s, '50s, and '60s was, we had cheap labor. We had abundant, cheap energy. We had all of our natural resources. And nobody else had anything.

Well, now we don't have those things. Because they've been taken off the table.

And now when we do a marshal plan, by the way, in inflation-aged numbers, we are only about $50 billion away, and Joe Biden wants another 20 billion today. We're about $50 billion away, from the cost of the entire marshal plan.

Which rebuilt Europe.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Where is all that money? Where is all that money?

And had you --

PAT: And what you want to bet, we're past that already. In reality. We don't have any idea.

GLENN: Correct.

So when they say, we have some extremists, that want to shut the government down.

I don't think it's extremist.

I really don't. With all the corruption, which we'll get into here in a second.

All the corruption that seems to be everywhere now.

Everywhere. All these deals being made with foreign countries by our senators. And our House members.

On top of that, the incredible spending!

I think it would be a good idea to shut it down.

Top 10 'Dark Future' predictions that have come TRUE

Top 10 'Dark Future' predictions that have come TRUE

World leaders recently gathered in India for this year's G20 Summit and produced a document that is practically the Great Reset on steroids. Glenn reviews the G20 New Delhi Leaders' Declaration, which outlines policy plans and priorities for member nations, and reveals the 10 biggest predictions from his book "Dark Future" that the document now proposes. For instance, global elites are now openly calling for the scaling back of private and public land use, the embedding of elitist priorities into AI, and the introduction and adoption of CBDCs. So much for so-called "conspiracy theories."

Does THIS prove the Left is DONE with Biden?

Does THIS prove the Left is DONE with Biden?

President Biden's disapproval rating has hit a new record high and the media is starting to talk about it. Meanwhile, former president Donald Trump still has a comfortable lead in the Republican primary polling. Glenn reads a new opinion piece in Newsweek from a progressive who is BEGGING Biden to step out of the 2024 race. Does this prove the Left done with Biden? Will the Democrats soon replace him with someone like California Gov. Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama? Glenn and Pat discuss.


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GLENN: President Biden's disapproval rating hit the highest mark of his presidency in a new poll.

PAT: What a surprise.

GLENN: Also showed his support by essential voting blocs, is slipping. Biden's disapproval rating ticked up to 56 percent. And I am shocked that it is that low. Think of it. I mean, honestly.

PAT: With the way things are. With the way he is.

GLENN: Honestly, can you think of anything that his voting base could say, well, he did this?

PAT: Yeah, they will tell you, he has created 13 million jobs, which is BS, of course. That's what they'll tell you.

But what I'm saying, somebody -- is there any way to actually have a real --

PAT: No. Absolutely -- not unless you're a total moron. A real buffoon.

You have to be -- you would have to have all the intelligence of a bathroom bulb brush, to think this guy is doing a good job.

PAT: No.

GLENN: No. Nothing at all. Wow.

PAT: Well, that's why he trails in the Washington Post/ABC poll.

Did you see the results of that? Fifty-two, 42 percent.

Fifty-two to 42, Trump leads!

GLENN: Yeah. You think that's reliable?

PAT: It's Washington Post/ABC News. It's certainly not slanted toward Trump.

I mean, they have been wrong in the past, but all polls have been.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

So maybe this is -- let's see it happen again.

PAT: Yes.

I mean, it probably is an outlier. He's probably not up by ten.

But I think that Biden is in trouble, and that's why you're hearing the scuttlebutt in the Democrat Party.

GLENN: Right. You're also slipping with voters 18 to 24. He only has a 46 percent approval rating. Latinos, 43 percent.

Independents, who are going to decide the general election, at 36 percent.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Trump's lead in the G.O.P. primary, has surged ahead. He is now leading by 43 points.

PAT: That's incredible.

GLENN: That is incredible. Incredible.

He's the first choice among national Republican voters. At 59 percent.

So now, this is what you're starting to see, from people who love Joe Biden.

Because, you know, he was just out, the Congressional Black Caucus, which he thought he was at last week.

PAT: Yeah. He did.

GLENN: But it was the Congressional Latino caucus, right?

Hispanic Congress.

PAT: Yes, but he called them the black Congress.

GLENN: Black Congress. So I don't know if he thought he was at the Hispanic Conference this time.

But he was talking about LL Cool J.

PAT: He's brilliant. He's brilliant too. I think he will get a lot of support.

GLENN: You have heard it?

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Oh, I haven't heard it. I just read about it.

PAT: Yes. We do have it.

It is...

BIDEN: One of the greatest artist of our time. A legacy of hip-hop in America.

LL J Cool J. By the way, that boy has got -- that man has got biceps bigger than my thighs. I think he's --

GLENN: Wait. What?

BIDEN: Both of you, thank you.

GLENN: Okay. So LL Cool J. He knows him. He loves him.

PAT: He's got all his earlier works.

GLENN: And can I ask, when he sees somebody, a man in particular.

PAT: Yes. This is the thing now.

GLENN: Does he always --

PAT: Always. Every time, he has to mention their biceps. Or feel them.

Or say, that I wish I had you as my lock for me.

Because you're really hot.

GLENN: Really hot. Wow. I haven't heard the really hot part.

PAT: Well, they'll find it and play it for you. Because it's incredible.

GLENN: And then, again, with the boy.

PAT: Yeah. And he does that all the time.

But he caught himself this time, did you notice that? Man.

GLENN: I'm not a racist.

PAT: Wait a minute. I just showed my racist tendencies over there.

Man, I meant -- it's amazing. It's amazing.

GLENN: Wow. Wow.

PAT: And to screw up his name, when it's in front of him, in the teleprompter.

I don't understand it.

You know they went over this. Because -- and his aides have prepared him for this stuff.


PAT: Not that kind.

GLENN: Oh, I was like, he's more secretive than I thought.

PAT: Yeah. I know.

He does not have AIDS. So far as I know, he does not.

But then to screw up the name, what is the deal?

How big do they have to make the font for this guy?

GLENN: I mean, as a guy who screws up names all the time. But LL Cool J is not hard. Is not hard.

PAT: Not that hard.

GLENN: Well, he's in.

Anyway, there's -- there's an opinion now, from Newsweek. Mr. President, you're going to lose to Trump.

We're begging you to step down. This is Newsweek.

Listen to this. The old news about incumbents. If they're under 50 points in approval. They're toast.

President Joe Biden is under 40.

There's almost no chance, he will win. I've never heard of an incumbent polling under 40 points, who went to win the reelection. When it comes to Joe Biden. Three and six recent polls had him in the 30s.

In one recent poll, President Biden was an abysmal 32 percent.

Sorry, but that's unrecoverable. You're just telling yourself, sweet little lies, if you think he can win with those numbers.

I know what everyone in Washington is going to say next.

But that's not fair. He passed so many bills.

No one has passed this much legislation since Grover Cleveland, or something.

He passed the semi conductor bill.

I have bad news for you, if you're a Democrat. No one cares about the semi conductor bill or any of the other bills, that helped his donors so much. And coincidentally, a couple of other Americans as well.

Even if you love those bills, no American even knows about them. On the other hand, if you're a Republican, Biden is a godsend.

Especially if you're MAGA. There is no way Trump can beat anyone else. Another poll found that 59 percent of Americans, think Trump should end his campaign immediately, and quit life.

And quit life?

Or quit for life? What do you mean quit life?

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Okay. They didn't say the last part. No. That's what they meant.

But they might have well meant. I've never seen a number that bad.

At the same poll, Trump came in at an abysmal 33 percent approval.

And how did Biden do at that poll?

Worse! At 32. MAGA should be doing everything they can, to keep Biden in the race.

He's their only hope. President Biden needs to step down immediately.

This is news weak.

Needs to step down immediately.

And give someone else a chance to do what they will.

And certainly, they will be able to accomplish a trounce of Trump in 2024.

I am a progressive. So even if I get my wish, and President Biden were to step down. I'm not overly fond of any of the corporate Democrats we have to choose from.

But if you're being honest, they would at least all beat Trump with a stick.

Not because they're so great. But because Trump is infinitely worse. And the American people know it.

Trump is also polling at 33 percent. And six out of ten Americans despise him.

And yet, Biden is still losing to him.

If you spend any time listening to people of power and media.

You'll have heard some version of the talking point, that Joe Biden is the only one that can beat Trump.

It's nonsense.

Based on what the data is.

And I don't understand how they're making this claim.

The truth is the exact opposite.

Biden is the only person who can't beat Trump. My left foot could beat Trump.

An open Dumpster fire can beat Trump.

This is when the DC establishment will handcuff. He beat him last time. Yes. Joe Biden won the electoral college by 44,000 votes in three swing states.

You know what that means? It means he almost lost to a complete buffoon who said we should inject disinfectants into our bodies to kill COVID. This is maddening.

PAT: It is.

GLENN: Biden won by the skin much his teeth to the ignoramus. And that is when he was ten to 15 points higher in approval. Let that sink in.

He was at least ten points higher, and he barely won last time. Spare me the useless talking point, of how he won by seven million votes.

That's true. But you wanted that to matter. Maybe you should have passed the freedom to vote act.


PAT: Jeez.

GLENN: But President Biden barely tried.

His donors apparently didn't press on that one. And God help the Democrats, if the nominee isn't Donald Trump. Then Biden has mathematically, a 0 percent chance of winning. Not even close.

Not within miles of choice. Joe Biden sees the same numbers we see. His team puts out talking points about how this is the most important election of our lifetime. How ten months is on the line. They're right. Yet, Biden sees the same devastating polling results we see, and concludes -- his ego concludes that he is more important than the election. And according to his own logic, democracy itself. I'm putting forward a petition, asking Joe Biden to drop out of the race, because unlike the president, I actually do believe democracy is on the line.

I don't want to go into that fateful election with a hobbled candidate, whose chances of winning are so low.

Why would we voluntarily make that mistake?

You can hate the messenger.

And you can think that an incumbent can win, even though they're in the 30s in approval. But that isn't going to change the inevitable.

Joe Biden is going to lose this election. We need a new candidate.

STU: When are people going to understand, we're not a democracy.

GLENN: That's what you pulled out of it.

That's what you pulled out of it.

PAT: That's part of what I pulled out.

It drives me out of my mind, out of my mind.

GLENN: I know it does.

Drives me crazy too. I'm with you.

PAT: Adults should understand that. But the other thing is --

GLENN: I got it. I got it.

PAT: I think -- I think Biden is the best chance, even though he's so compromised.

I -- if -- if Gavin Newsom gets into this race, I think he is fighting more than Biden. Because you have California as an example. California. Talk about a Dumpster fire.

That's the very definition of a Dumpster fire.

Show the city. Show Los Angeles. And San Francisco. And what these cities have become under this guy.

I think a Republican crushes Gavin Newsom.

GLENN: So what do you say about Michelle Obama?

PAT: Oh, that's the one problem spot. Where, if she decides to run, she wins.

That's my fear.

And she's maybe worse than Joe Biden. Not even maybe. She is --

GLENN: Oh, no. She is.

PAT: Except for the fact, that she has a faculty.

But those faculties are frightening. Because she hates America.

GLENN: Yeah. And she's a Marxist.

PAT: For sure.

GLENN: She's much more hard-core than her husband. She's Hillary Clinton on steroids.

PAT: She's a nightmare.

Yeah, I'm very much hopeful, she still isn't interested on running for office.

GLENN: I'm with you on that hope. We can dream.