STU: Maybe. I don't know.
GLENN: Yeah. Stu is on a different page than I am on this Afghanistan thing. I think it should have been over 15 years ago.
PAT: Me too.
Fighting to win, fight it all out. Do the shock and awe that you promised. Only, really do it, and then get out.
I hate what they're doing now. And that's -- that's the problem, is they're not going to fight this the right way. They're not -- we're not going to -- we don't fight wars to win anymore.
GLENN: This doesn't teach anybody anything, except they can bleed us to death. It doesn't teach anybody anything. You go in --
GLENN: The point of war is to win and then to stop future wars. So you go in and you fight it with everything you have and you take the breath away from the enemy until they say, "Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Stop. Stop. Stop." And then you stop and say to the whole world, "Don't do that to us. Don't try to bring down our buildings with our people in them, because we will do this again."
Now, you've paid the price, I think you've learned your lesson, we're moving on. Good luck to you. Leave us alone, and we will leave you alone.
That's the way you fight and win the war and the peace. How is this -- how is this going to -- what does a win look like, Stu?
STU: I'm coming to a point where I think that's the wrong question. And I know this is -- you know, I'm totally on the not mainstream of this room end of the audience. So I enter this completely knowing that.
GLENN: That's fine.
STU: But, you know, I don't know what a win looks like. I know what a win looked like in World War II. Right? World War II, we won. The Nazis are gone. We knocked them out. We won. Eighty million people died for that.
And while I -- I -- I'm really glad we won, which war would you rather have? A win in World War II or this, where we have lost 2,400 of our best people? And you can't not overstate how important that is. But it is different than 80 million.
PAT: Well, if you're going to compare the civilian casualties in enemy as well as ours, then you've got to make the death toll higher than that in Afghanistan. Because it's a lot higher than that.
STU: Yeah. Activist groups say about a million and a half.
PAT: Which in a country like Afghanistan, it's a lot of freaking people.
STU: It's really significant. I will say, that's an activist estimate that I don't believe. But still, it's hundreds of thousands likely.
STU: But, again, I mean, I don't know.
GLENN: So why are we killing them, again? Help me out.
STU: Well, look, if you -- I mean, this is -- we have 12 seconds here before we have to go to break so I don't think --
GLENN: That's why I asked you. So that way -- there's no way you can win. See --
STU: I kind of got that.
JEFFY: So wrong.
GLENN: -- this is what a win looks like.
STU: Really. This is it? Okay? I got it.
GLENN: Yes. You give? You give? Say uncle.