GLENN: Normally on Fridays, we have Mr. Bill O'Reilly, but I am -- I'm actually going to speak and having dinner this weekend with Paul Kagame, the former president of Rwanda, who is an amazing, amazing guy.
And this has proved to be interesting. But I've also been asked to speak at a three-day conference at a place called the Nantucket Project, which tries to bring people together on forgiveness and healing and a way forward.
STU: Same for me. I will be having brunch with Garbon Gooli Burkmenadof from Turkmenistan.
GLENN: Really? That's interesting.
STU: Next Wednesday. 10:30 a.m. IHOP. International pancakes.
GLENN: Right. Really? International -- so it's an international pancake kind of moment.
So, anyway, Bill O'Reilly is with us today, instead of on Friday, which he normally is. But I'm glad he's here because I want to talk to him a lot about the deal -- you know, making a deal with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the spin that is going to come out of the White House now and the spin that is already coming out from Nancy and Chuck. And where are we going from here? Welcome to the program, Bill O'Reilly from BillO'Reilly.com.
BILL: You are so lucky to have me on this program today. You are.
GLENN: No, I woke up this morning, and I thought to myself, "If I could only get more lucky," and then you were here.
BILL: Yeah, because, I mean, I am going to be able to define this so even you understand it. All right?
GLENN: All right. Go ahead. Talk down to me.
BILL: You are very lucky.
GLENN: Yes, I know.
BILL: But, first, I want to give a plug because I'm having lunch with Ricky Buffunyats.
GLENN: Are you really? Wow.
BILL: Yeah. Who once traveled to Bolivia. And he wants healing.
GLENN: But he's not -- hang on just a second. But he's actually -- he didn't go there for any reason. He just -- he just went one time.
BILL: Yeah. He wanted to be healed, so he went.
GLENN: Okay. All right. Good. Okay.
BILL: I'm going to figure out if he was healed or not.
GLENN: All right. Good. Okay. Jerk.
BILL: All right, Beck. So now -- I got -- I have to now walk you through what's happening on DACA.
GLENN: Yes. All right.
BILL: First of all, Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer want to destroy Donald Trump.
BILL: Fact number one.
GLENN: Should I write this down? Will there be a test?
BILL: Well, have somebody else write it down for you because I know your handwriting.
GLENN: All right. To destroy. Got it.
BILL: Fact number one: Pelosi/Schumer want to destroy Trump.
Fact number two: They know the fastest way to do that is to get Trump's base angry with him.
GLENN: Got it.
GLENN: All right.
BILL: The quickest way to do that is to turn --
GLENN: Anger his base.
BILL: His supporters against him.
GLENN: Got it. All right.
BILL: So, therefore, anything that Schumer and Pelosi say, throw it right out of the window.
BILL: Okay. That is number one.
GLENN: No, that's number two.
No, this would be number three. Number one was he was going to try to destroy -- number two.
BILL: No, no. But I'm in categories now. We're in categories now.
GLENN: Oh, so that's category A at one and two. And now we're in category B. Go ahead. All right.
GLENN: Go ahead. Yes, go ahead.
STU: It's easier with the graphics next to you.
GLENN: Yes, go ahead.
BILL: No one, including the president, knows how this DACA thing is going to turn out. Because the Republicans have to write a bill. Very difficult for these pinheads to do because that requires them getting out of the gym. All right? They have to go to actually go to their desk and write a bill.
GLENN: Right. Right.
BILL: They don't like that. They have to write a bill that says, "All right. Here's the new law that's going to cover 800,000 so-called Dreamers, illegal aliens, who were taken here by their parents." And they had no say about it. They came. And what are we going to do about them?
Republicans write the bill. In that bill, it could be anything. It could be anything. We don't know. All right?
So Trump doesn't have any input as far as what's going to happen to the Dreamers. It's all Congress. All right?
And then the bill comes out and Trump says, "I like it, or I don't like it." Are you with me?
GLENN: I just want to make sure -- A, you didn't give me a topic. But under A is, number one, they're trying to destroy the president. Fastest way to do is anger his base. B, no one knows what is going to be in this bill because it hasn't been written, under that. Point one, Republicans don't like to work. Point two, Republicans could write anything. They could write a bill that replaces Nancy Pelosi with a chicken. I've got it so far.
BILL: Right. Okay. So good. Beck, you're really on it today. I'm so happy.
STU: The Pelosi Chicken Act, I am behind that, by the way.
GLENN: I'm taking notes.
Yes, I am too.
BILL: So all -- all of us loyal Americans who want the best for our country should stop now with the speculation, which gets us nowhere, and wait until this bill comes out.
Now, it is worthy that you and other commentators tell President Trump what you would like to see in the bill. Okay? This is what we --
GLENN: I think we did during the election.
BILL: Well, no. Because the Dreamer thing is a little bit more complicated.
GLENN: No, no, no. No, it's not. Here's what the American people -- here's what I believe the American people were actually saying. Beyond all the hyperbole and everything else. This is the what the American people were actually saying during the election: Look, that is a really complex issue. I don't know what to do. I don't want to hurt people. I'm not a racist. But I want border security.
GLENN: Hang on. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, no.
BILL: You're going over ground that is inevitable.
GLENN: No, it's not.
BILL: So it's inevitable that the Republicans will put some kind of stringent border security, maybe even a -- city thing in the bill.
They have to and they will. That will be there, Beck. Do not worry about that.
But there are other things that are going to happen. Number one, Trump does not want to deport these dreamers. That's obvious. He doesn't want it. Because he has to expand his base a little bit. And the polls overwhelmingly show that Americans are open to a fair deal for these people. These kids who were brought here. So he's not going to deport 800,000. That's not going to happen.
GLENN: So when he said to -- when he said in interview after interview after interview, yes, they're all going home.
STU: Chuck Todd.
BILL: When he says that, he doesn't think about the Dreamers.
GLENN: No, no, no. It was specifically about the Dreamers. We checked the audio. It was specifically --
BILL: Do you have the audio that Trump said Dreamers are going home.
GLENN: Yes. Hang on. I'll get it for you in a second.
BILL: No, no, no. You don't have to get it for me. I believe you. I believe you.
All right. So that's not going to happen now. It's not, all right? He's not going to deport 800,000.
And I'll tell you why, because I told this to him to his face in an interview: The courts would block that until the year 2099.
GLENN: Yes. You're right.
BILL: Okay. Thank you, Beck. So everybody knows it's not going to happen. So let's stop the BS and get a fair bill that would strengthen border security and anarchy and eliminate anarchy in the United States about illegal immigration.
GLENN: Okay. So my -- I have to go back here, so has the last two years of us saying Little Marco is making a deal with Chuck Schumer and the Gang of Eight, and there's no amnesty. Mark my words, there's no amnesty. It will not happen.
I know you're just clearing the throat. But that means you're about to talk. Hang on.
So the last two years of finger pointing and actually having -- being the catalyst to have half of the country point to the other half and say, "What a bunch of racists you are. You're completely unreasonable. You're lumping everybody in the same boat." All of that -- all of that division, all of that hatred, all of that was for what purpose? For what purpose?
BILL: I don't know, Beck. That's way too complicated for a man like me.
GLENN: No, it's not. You're smart enough. You don't want to answer it. You just don't want to answer it.
BILL: It's way over my head. I just want to tell you what's going to happen.
BILL: All right? I can't -- I can't talk to the president of Rwanda. I can't. I don't have the ability or the intellectual --
GLENN: Yes, you can. You do not want to.
BILL: A man who ran Rwanda. I can't. That's your job. All right?
Here's what's going to happen, all right?
BILL: There will be some compromise. Trump has already strengthened the border to a degree that we haven't had ever. Ever.
BILL: All right?
GLENN: All of the -- all of the -- all of the Republicans, with an exception of maybe Kasich, all of the Republicans, the 17 that he destroyed because they would make a deal with Nancy Pelosi, they were for amnesty, they were for the Gang of Eight, they weren't going to --
GLENN: -- you can't believe them. They're going to build a wall, that they're going to -- all of them would have done -- with the exception of John Kasich, exactly what he has done so far, without the division and the hatred and the pitting against each other.
BILL: All right. Maybe that's true -- but the fact -- and I love that word fact -- is that in the six months that he's been sitting there in the Oval Office, immigration on the southern border, all right? Has been enforced more than ever in our lifetime.
BILL: That's a fact. And it's not going to get any more lax. It will get more stringent. Here's another fact.
GLENN: Until he's gone and replaced by a Republican -- or, a Democrat.
BILL: Until he's gone. And then when the president of Rwanda comes over and runs this --
GLENN: No, don't try to weasel out of this.
That was the point of why we wanted a wall: Because nothing is ever permanent.
BILL: Okay. The magic word wall. You want to know about the wall? Do you have time, or do you have to take a break?
GLENN: Nothing is ever permanent.
BILL: Do you want to know about the wall now, or should we wait?
GLENN: No, I'm going to take a break. And Bill O'Reilly from BillO'Reilly.com is where you can find him. And if you want this kind of fact-driven nonsense, you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com. Back in just a second.
BILL: And I want to talk the statues too.
GLENN: Believe me, I've got a list of things to talk to you about.
STU: BillO'Reilly.com is where you can go for the podcast. And hopefully he'll be referencing the Paul Kagame statue we're going to be talking about.
GLENN: Shut up. Shut up.
GLENN: So what's the wall, is what I ask to Bill O'Reilly? What's the wall about?
BILL: Number one fact -- all right? We're back to the facts. I know that upsets you.
Okay. There's not going to be any wall in the bill about the Dreamers. Because that would mobilize opposition from 100 percent of the Democrats and some Republicans as well. So they're not going to have that in there, in the bill.
Now, some people will be angry about that. But step back. Trump is going to build his wall. He doesn't need legislation to build it. He can do it by executive order. He can do it by using Homeland Security funds, of which there are gazillions of dollars available. He can do it and he will do it. But it's not going to be a wall from Brownsville, San Diego. It's not going to be that. It's going to be in certain places where it's easier to smuggle narcotics. The wall is basically a detriment against narcotics, not people, all right?
So they will build some of it. It will come from orders from Donald Trump. But it's not going to be enshrined anywhere because it's too polarizing. So that's what's going to happen.
GLENN: That stands against, Bill O'Reilly, absolutely everything I stand for as a constitutionalist.
BILL: I know it does.
GLENN: What you've just described is, as a constitutionalist, you have said, through executive order, he will do things that are temporary. I am against it as a constitutionalist, and I am against it as somebody --
BILL: Maybe they can knock it down if you elect Bernie Sanders. But you have to live in the real world. And the real world is two things here: Trump knows he has to build the wall. Some semblance of it. He has to. All right? And he will. But he's not going to get permission from Congress to do it because there are not enough votes there.
It's as simple as that. So you've got to live in the real world, Beck, if you want to get anything done at all. I understand the constitutionalists. I understand that.
But, you know, this is hand-to-hand combat. Donald Trump going to survive the presidency. He's going to get reelected. All right? He's got to do certain things that you're just not going to like.
GLENN: So when he says -- can we play audio cut five, please. This is President Trump talking about taxes. Cut five. Do you have it? Okay. Sorry about that.
STU: Yeah. Because I -- I'm curious on that because I -- he obviously said during the campaign that it was going to be a wall that went for the whole border. He did say that.
BILL: He said a lot of things. But he doesn't understand at that point what it takes to get that stuff done.
GLENN: So hang on -- this is a 59-second cut. Let me just read this. Taxes paid by the wealthy will likely stay the same under the new tax plan, but if they have to go higher, they're going to go higher.
GLENN: What -- which -- what does he stand for, Bill? What can I trust?
BILL: He's trying to be a populist. He's trying to appeal to working class and middle class voters. He knows that's where his base is. So that's what he stands for.
GLENN: Is that healthy for a country? Populism, is it good?
BILL: I would like to see populism combined with astute analysis. I think if you got a politician who had both, who, you know, really felt for the working people, but was astute in how to get things done, then you'd have something. But we don't seem to be able to produce politicians --
GLENN: All right. When we come back, Bill O'Reilly is going to take on a couple of things. One, the statues.
GLENN: And we'll talk a little bit about that. Also -- because it's getting crazy.
Also, we're going to try to get to the latest from ESPN. And I know how much Bill O'Reilly loves Hillary Clinton. And has probably spent all week just up late at night reading her book. Her -- her latest poll numbers show most Americans want her to go away. Bill's opinion, coming up.
GLENN: I'm really tired of hearing people's opinion. There are very few people's opinion that matter to me. I mean, I barely -- I barely have my own opinion. Everybody has one. I got it.
What I'm interested in, facts and perspective. And one of the best is Bill O'Reilly. And we welcome him to the program from BillO'Reilly.com.
I'm going to be gone tomorrow. I'm having dinner with Winston Churchill tomorrow night. So I will not be here. But we're going to talk about peace and war and everything in between. And I'll give you a report on that on Monday. But, Bill O'Reilly, give me the facts on what's happening with the statues.
BILL: All right. I think you and I are of one mind on this because very early on, after Robert E. Lee's statue was the subject of that incredible controversy in Charlottesville, we both said, "It's not going to end with Lee. They're coming after Washington and Jefferson and other Founding Fathers." You said that to, I believe. Correct?
GLENN: Yes, I did. Yep.
BILL: Okay. We both said it. Not in collusion. There were no Russian collusion here.
GLENN: Oh, I don't know. Zionist masters.
BILL: Back on his Blaze and O'Reilly on BillO'Reilly.com said it independently. All right. So now it's happened.
So Black Lives Matter and other radical groups are demanding that Thomas Jefferson's statue be taken down in Charlottesville. Jefferson founded the University of Virginia, which is there, and lived there.
Okay. So this plays right into my wheelhouse because I have a book coming out Tuesday called Killing England.
GLENN: Shut up. Shut up. I thought, if there was a way I could get Bill O'Reilly to talk about his book.
BILL: No, this is a legitimate way. This is a legitimate way. Because I write about Thomas Jefferson --
GLENN: Shut up. Shut up.
BILL: The man, what he did about, in slavery, and how he had slaves, and how he behaved, and his whole life.
GLENN: You know, Bill, can I ask you a question about Thomas Jefferson?
GLENN: First of all, how do we get the word out that Thomas Jefferson led the fight in Virginia to try to be able to release his slaves? It was --
BILL: So that's in the book. But you're missing --
GLENN: Yeah, but I'm saying in some way that people will read it or find it.
BILL: Let me illuminate. Okay?
GLENN: Okay. All right.
BILL: In order to win this debate, Beck, traditional Americans have to know the facts. They have to know what Thomas Jefferson just did. You just said it. You just said it. That the man was very conflicted about slavery. And we -- in Killing England, you'll see exactly how conflicted he was and what he did. And the other --
GLENN: I don't think so.
BILL: -- actions that led to our independence.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. I don't think he was. He's the guy who said, "Because I know God is just, I tremble for my country." That was about slavery.
BILL: No, but he -- he agonized about the line, "All men are created equal." He agonized about it.
GLENN: Yes, he did do that. Yes, he did.
BILL: Because he said, we're not including African-Americans.
BILL: So if you read the book, he's a conflicted man on the issue, okay? But the overarch of what he did, what George Washington did -- because they're going to come after Washington, he was a slave owner too -- is amazing. And you got to know that in order to ward off the far left kooks. Now, why are they doing the statues? Here's what it's all about, Beck. It's not about the statues. Of Lee or Jefferson or Washington or any of that. It's about undermining the entire Constitution of this country. The far left believes that we are a nation founded by white supremacists. Okay?
And that our Constitution reflects that. So we got to do away with that and have a new Constitution. That's what this is all about. That you run down the Founding Fathers, you run down the philosophy on which the country was founded, and you replace it with a socialist manifesto.
Now, you're going to say, "Oh, O'Reilly is the conspiratorialist." No. This is exactly the conversations that are taking place within the precincts of Black Lives Matter, the Antifa movement, and some in the mainstream media who sympathize with that.
Now you can segue into Jemele Hill, the girl on ESPN, the woman on ESPN, okay? Who tweets that Trump is a white supremacist and that he's surrounded about him. Now, you got a question about Hill?
GLENN: I didn't want to transition there. But all of a sudden, I lost control of the show. I'd like to go back to the Star-Spangled Banner and the fight on slavery.
It is incumbent upon each of us, and Bill is -- and I -- it kills me to promote his stupid freaking book. But he is right. And his book does cover this. And we need to know who these people were.
When it comes to the Star-Spangled Banner, the fifth stanza is all about slavery: When our land is illuminated with liberty's smile, if a foe -- glory -- down, down, the traitor who dares to defile her flag of stars and the pages of her story. By the millions unchained, who our birthright have gained, we will keep her bright, blazing, forever unstained.
There -- yesterday, they went after Francis Scott Key. This is revisionist history, and it has to stop.
BILL: Well, it's only going to stop if the people rise up.
GLENN: No, if the people educate --
BILL: Folks are afraid to do this.
GLENN: I think you're wrong on that. I think it will only happen when the people educate themselves, then they will rise up.
BILL: Okay. You rise up with education, and you're effective.
BILL: You rise up with emotion and you don't own anything, it's not effective.
GLENN: We are only slaves -- we are truly -- we are slaves to lies right now. We are slaves to others, who are manipulating us because we have not done what every slave, as soon as they became free, the first thing they did was try to get an education. Try to learn. Try to read.
We're not doing any of it. And we're chaining ourselves. And we're going to be slaves of some other master if we don't educate ourselves.
BILL: Well, that's very well said. And, again, I'm lucky in a sense that when I wrote Killing England, I didn't any idea that within a year, the Antifa movement and the socialistic movement would be as intimidating as it is now. But I'm glad I wrote the book. It's almost a miracle, because if you want to know who Jefferson, Washington, and Benjamin Franklin actually were as people and you read the book, you'll know.
GLENN: Jeez, will you stop with the damn book?
BILL: So you can fight off the forces of darkness. Because they're coming.
GLENN: All I wanted to do was talk about ESPN. And now he's just going on.
So hang on. Here's the question about ESPN.
BILL: Thank you.
GLENN: The big thing on ESPN -- everybody is saying, "They've got a double standard." No, they don't. This is the same standard. You will fire anyone who has a nonprogressive, big government view -- or a small government view, and you will cheer on and excuse anyone who has a progressive, PC, pro-big government view. They're completely consistent.
BILL: Well, they've destroyed the network.
BILL: All right? So ESPN is a shadow of what it used to be. And it's not coming back. All right?
So that's number one. And the reason is, people watch that network for sports, not to have somebody like Jemele Hill accuse a president and his cabinet of being white supremacists. They don't watch for that. You know, MSNBC should hire the woman, because that's what they do. Okay?
GLENN: So, Bill, have you ever heard anybody ever even question -- even question the president and his relationship with race? So, in other words, have you ever heard anyone say things like, "I think this president may be a racist. I think this president may have a deep, dark, unsettled feeling about white people?"
Have you ever heard anybody say that? Because I remember somebody did. And they questioned what the intent was, and it was heralded as the biggest mistake on planet earth. How dare you ever question that. And now somebody at ESPN can say -- not question -- not question. But to make the statement, he's a white supremacist.
GLENN: And everybody is fine.
BILL: Well, not everybody is fine. There's a big, big controversy about it. I don't think the woman should be fired.
GLENN: Not on the left.
BILL: Although -- not on the left because they concur.
BILL: But, you know, they fired Curt Schilling. And, you know, he --
GLENN: They did the same thing.
BILL: He was --
GLENN: He did the same thing.
BILL: No, it was a little bit more. Because Schilling had an illustration of a transgendered person that was pretty offensive, I would say.
GLENN: I don't remember it exactly. So I'd have to go back and look.
BILL: But they could have suspended him, and they could have brought him back. But they don't -- they being Disney. Disney runs -- and a lot of people don't know this: Disney owns ESPN.
BILL: But Disney doesn't have, as you pointed out, any respect for the conservative American thought process.
But I wouldn't fire the woman. I don't think that's the right way to handle it. I think that you basically say to her, "You don't really know what you're talking about, with all due respect, Ms. Hill. All right? This isn't going on here. And the fact that you believe it is -- you're entitled to that, but you're in a position of responsibility, particularly with younger African-Americans, and you're really abusing that because you can't back that statement up. You can't back it up. And what you're doing is you're denigrating the country just like Colin Kaepernick did. And, you know, if people object to that, their views are just as viable as your views. So you're going to have to take what comes, which is criticism and lower ratings, because that's where it's going."
STU: And, Bill, I think this is what you're saying. But, I mean, in fact, they handle these situations many different ways. The Jemele Hill way is the way they actually should handle it. Right?
They should come in and say, "It's your own private thing. We don't think that's the right way for you to be handling this, especially if people might think it's from ESPN. But you know, whatever. We'll give you a little slap on the wrist or at least a talking to or whatever, and you'll come back and do the show." The problem is how they handle all the other cases.
BILL: Yeah, I mean, with Schilling -- but with Schilling, he had that cartoon.
GLENN: But you really don't have to go to Schilling. You really don't have to go to Schilling. Chink in the armor. Guerrilla warfare. I mean, there's two people that lost their jobs for phrases that have nothing to do with race. And they went crazy.
BILL: Yeah, well, there's no doubt there's a double standard. There's hypocrisy all over the place. But I think traditional Americans who believe in fairness have to rise above the hypocrisy. And you know what, here's what you do: You just don't watch. You just don't watch.
And that's going on now for years. They've been bailing out of ESPN for years. And other networks that are not honest or doing something that the folks deem offensive, don't watch.
GLENN: I will tell you this, if you really want to make an impact, you don't watch, of course -- but if you really want to make an impact, you let Disney know, "I'm not taking my kids to your park," because they only care about the mouse. That's all they care about.
BILL: That would do it.
Look, every corporation, it's money first. There's no doubt about it. And on that note, we want everybody to preorder Killing England. It's coming out Tuesday.
STU: That's a solid segue right there.
BILL: There you go.
GLENN: Bill, do I have to endure this again on Tuesday when it comes out?
BILL: Tuesday and next Friday.
GLENN: I don't know if I can do two times a week.
BILL: All right. We'll get you some oxygen, and we'll do what we have to do.
GLENN: Bill, believe me, there's enough air here, hot air when you're around. I don't need anymore.
Bill, good to have you, thank you. We'll talk to you again.
BILL: All right. Thanks for having me in.
GLENN: You bet. Bye.
STU: Bill O'Reilly, the book is called Killing England. It is coming out on Tuesday. You, of course, can also go to his website and sign up at BillO'Reilly.com.
GLENN: You know, I love -- I love -- I really love my relationship with Bill O'Reilly. Same with Don Imus. You know, here are two guys that are -- they didn't -- they are the legends -- they are the legends of their generation. They're the ones that I -- that I watched for years. And they are -- they both can hit hard and take a punch. And neither of them insists that you agree with them, which is the way it's supposed to be.
PAT: I will say, Bill is much more -- is much happier --
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
STU: It's remarkable --
GLENN: He's happy now.
STU: Because when he was doing the Fox thing, he would come on the show.
GLENN: No, he's happy.
STU: And do his thing. He seems like he's actually enjoying life these days.