GLENN: So I read -- I read a series of books. I read his book Pandemic and then Genome.
GLENN: Yeah, and then The Atlantis Gene. I just -- I fell in love with his premise. And it's kind of technology and evolution.
STU: Yeah. What you really need is some dark technology stuff. Because you just don't go down that road naturally.
STU: So you need a little push.
GLENN: No, he played into it. No, he was pushing all my buttons. I mean, I was awake until 3 o'clock in the morning. I mean, I read three novels in a week.
But I also read about half of the book Collusion by Luke Harding. And I stopped. Because I thought, I need Stu to read this. Because I need you to really -- I want to get your perspective before I go down this road. Because this was written by a guy who was -- I think he was the Asian and Russian desk at the Guardian. And has some really incredible sources. And he's put a new spin on -- on the whole Russian interference and the role that Flynn and others played, knowingly. Some pretty dark stuff there.
GLENN: Before I go down this road anymore, I just -- I want to go down with -- I want to go down with some friends here looking for red flags on this. We have to really vet it really well. Because it's a pretty compelling book.
STU: It seems that one of the charges here, just scanning here, is that they actually think that Russia helped Trump win. Which, I just dismiss out of hand. I don't know.
GLENN: Okay. So no. I think that's -- I think that's hyperbole.
GLENN: They agree, at least this is the impression I have in the parts that I've read, that they just want chaos. They just want -- if Russia wins, they just want chaos. So they're doing everything they can to create chaos. And to create a distrust of the system by Americans. Okay?
So they win either way. But they make a pretty compelling case on how long they've been trying to get to Donald Trump and -- and -- and they did get to the people all around him. And I haven't -- I haven't gotten much further into it than that. Because there's just so much that I need to check all the footnotes on. And make sure that it's not some hack job on this.
STU: Yeah. I think it's -- if nothing else, you want to know what the charges are. What's going to be brought up.
GLENN: Yeah. I think this is the worst that anybody has brought up so far. You know, this is -- this is what they're looking for. And this book claims to have a lot of the stuff. And if you really -- and I don't want to get into a situation to where I'm arguing something, and I haven't read the other side. You know what I mean? If the charges are there, we need to know it.
It's kind of like when we first -- when Al Gore's movie first came out. And I went to it. And Stu went, oh, no. This could be really bad. Because I left there saying to Stu, I want to investigate, turn over every stone. He makes a compelling case.
If you don't know the facts. So let's turn over every stone. And you should do that with this book called Collusion. Turn over every stone. But we need to know the argument. Because it's pretty damning.