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Yes, Free Speech Protects Steve Bannon's Right to Criticize Trump

What’s going on?

It’s Bannon vs. the Trumps, Part II. President Donald Trump’s lawyers have sent former White House adviser Steve Bannon a cease and desist letter claiming that Bannon is violating a “confidentiality and non-disparagement agreement” by communicating with an author for a new book about the early days of the Trump administration.

I’m still catching up …

On Wednesday, New York Magazine published an excerpt of a book that promises to be a bombshell portrayal of Trump campaign officials and the transition team: Michael Wolff’s Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House.

Trump responded by unloading on Bannon, who is quoted in the book with less-than-flattering comments about the Trump family.

“When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind,” Trump said in a statement. “Now that he is on his own, Steve is learning that winning isn’t as easy as I make it look.”

Does Trump have a case?

Not really. No one can be told to “cease and desist” saying bad things about the government, so free speech should protect anyone’s right to criticize the U.S president.

Pat and Jeffy talked about the latest update to the Bannon saga on today’s show, pointing out that the First Amendment leaves Trump and his lawyers without a case.

“There’s no way you can stop Steve Bannon from saying things that Donald Trump and his family don’t like,” Pat said.

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

PAT: It's been a fascinating 24 hours or so since the Steve Bannon discussion began.

And the Steve Bannon versus Donald Trump battle began. Lawyers on behalf of President Trump sent a letter yesterday -- or, last night to former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon to demanding he refrain from making disparaging comments against the president and his family.

Can a president demand that people don't make disparaging comments against him? Is that even a thing in the United States?

JEFFY: It is now.

PAT: I hope it's not. Wait a minute. You can't tell me not to say bad things about the president. I have to do it within certain, I can't threaten obviously.

JEFFY: Right.

PAT: But you can say virtually anything you want, other than that. How do you -- how do you send a cease and desist against saying mean things about the president? You can't do that.

JEFFY: We'll see, won't we?

PAT: I guess we will.

JEFFY: We will see. Because you're right. No question about it. However, we'll see what happens.

PAT: We'll see.

JEFFY: Obviously the --

PAT: My guess, it's still America in that way.

JEFFY: Yeah, there's no way that can stand. There's no way that can stand.

PAT: There's no way you can stop Steve Bannon from saying things Donald Trump and his family don't like.

JEFFY: Yeah, and, look, he's already backed up a little bit last night, where he seems like he wants the kids more than he wants Donald.

PAT: Yeah, he actually -- I guess it's his show -- is it his show?

JEFFY: It's Breitbart News on Sirius XM.

PAT: Okay. So on Sirius XM, he was actually saying good things about the president.

JEFFY: Yeah. So, you know, okay.

PAT: He seems to -- yes, you're right. His target here is Donald Jr. For whatever reason.

JEFFY: Hey, and good luck. That's a fine line to walk with President Trump, with dad.

PAT: You can't walk that line. You can't. You go after -- I think going after his children is just like going after him. And I don't blame him for that. I would be the same way. So Donald Trump has obviously not taken kindly to this Steve Bannon news. To him speaking --

JEFFY: I know.

PAT: -- Michael Wolff in this new book. It will be interesting when this thing actually comes out. Is it Tuesday? Next Tuesday? That's usually when they come out.

JEFFY: You bring someone into your house. And then not long after that they turn around and start throwing knives at you. He's got a little -- got a little point to be pissed.

PAT: Yeah, it would be upsetting. It would be upsetting.

But Trump has always kind of dismissed Bannon ever since he left. Ever since he was out of the picture, out of the administration, away from the campaign, Trump has always kind of said, yeah, he came in afterwards. He had nothing to do with my winning. I had already won. And he had very little to say about anything. It's a different story when you listen to Steve Bannon.

JEFFY: Yes, it is.

PAT: And so there's been an interesting -- yesterday, on my show, Pat Gray Unleashed, which immediately follows this on TheBlaze TV and Radio Network, I said I expected a lot of tweets from the president about Steve Bannon last night. We gave the over under at five, and I said it would be over. It would be over five tweets. He hasn't tweeted at all, I don't think. Don Jr. has. And I think his count is five or six.

JEFFY: No.

Yeah. Don is like, look, he's squandered the privilege of working with the White House and serving the country. Turned it into a backstabbing, harassing, leaking, lying, undermining the president. He's not a strategist. He's an opportunist.

PAT: Yeah. That seems to be their thing, that he's not a strategist, he's an opportunist. And he didn't help them at all. He was just looking for an opportunity for power.

JEFFY: And that would bode well with President Trump saying he came in after I already won.

PAT: Yes. It fits -- it fits that narrative.

JEFFY: Yes, it does.

PAT: And fits it well.

Now, there's an interview from one of Donald Trump's advisers, Sam Nunberg, who is a former Trump adviser. And he was on with S.E. Cupp. And he had some interesting things to say about this upcoming book about Wolff, in that he mainly admits it's true.

VOICE: So you're quoted a number of times. And at one point, Wolff says, Trump told you that he can be, quote, the most famous man in the world.

The quote reads: As the campaign came to an end, Trump himself was saying, when his ultimate goal after all had never been to win, I can now be the most famous man in the world. He apparently told you.

Is that true? Did he tell you that he didn't plan to win?

SAM: No, it's not. What I was telling Michael was a story that in 2014, I was flying down with then Mr. Trump to New Orleans for the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, and we were discussing his run. And he had already told me he was planning on running. And what I said to him was, 100 years from now, nobody is going to remember if you don't win the primary or the presidency, who ran.

Frankly, nobody was going to remember who was the president. But I'll tell you what, 100 years from now, when they're covering you, they're not going to be able to write that you didn't run. They're not going to be able to say you were a perennial tease. And the one thing I can guarantee you is that you will come out well out of this. I can't guarantee you, you'll win the nomination. That's very hard to do.

VOICE: So did he say, I'm going to be famous and I don't need to win any -- was any of that true?

SAM: What he did say -- what the president did say was, I won't come out badly out of this. I won't come out badly. He kept repeating that to me. And no matter, we'll have fun.

PAT: Isn't it?

SAM: And what I find with Michael -- and with the quotes -- and I sat with Michael at least three times from my recollection. Is Michael takes the quotes, and he puts them as direct quotes.

But they're really paraphrasing what I said, and how I explained it.

With that said, I'm not criticizing Michael at all.

VOICE: Oh, okay. Well, another excerpt --

PAT: Kind of wants to have it both ways, doesn't he?

JEFFY: Yes.

VOICE: -- when you were trying to explain the Constitution to then candidate Trump, Wolff writes, quote, early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. Quote, I got as far as the Fourth Amendment, Nunberg recalled, before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head. Did that happen?

SAM: Well, not exactly. What happened was it was a week and a half before the first debate. And what I was worried about was that somebody would attack then Mr. Trump and ask him some gotcha question. What is your favorite case about the Supreme Court? Who is your favorite justice? Something like that. Just to try to make him look as if he doesn't know policy. One thing Trump always told me and I was wrong about, was that the campaign would be about big issues, be about big communication, be about explaining simple common sense solutions.

So when I brought this page -- and I made it like a crib sheet. Maybe a page and a half, we got to around the Fourth or Fifth Amendment, to which he then just started saying, "Look, I have to do work." And at the time he was running for president and still running his organization. So once again, Michael kind of takes it out of context, but, yes, something similar to that happened.

JEFFY: I got work to do.

PAT: But, yes, something similar to that happened.

Okay. So something similar. Sort of what he's saying here, it seems to me, is that the spirit of what is in the book is true, not necessarily the word-for-word quotes he seems to say.

But she continues to push him a little but further.

VOICE: You read the excerpts. You were there. On the whole, how accurate a picture do you think they paint of the Trump campaign?

SAM: Well, I think it was pretty accurate from what I understand towards the end. Remember, I wasn't involved with the campaign at all after September of 2015. I don't think they expected to win, so when they start with Kellyanne, you know, just going around and blaming Reince earlier in the day -- that certainly happened. She did that on Twitter.

And I think that the president himself, one thing that I had heard from numerous people, not only Steve, but others in the campaign, for instance, that story about Mnuchin coming on the plane and having to get the wire transfer immediately when then candidate Trump promised to give the 10 million. That is 100 percent accurate. I don't think he thought he was going to win, until the end, when he told a confidant of his, Roger Stone, he said, look, it's trending my way. And it was. So his last four days, five days, I think he saw something there. And if you remember, he outcampaigned her. And he concentrated on certain states, and he pulled those states out. States that --

VOICE: Oh, yeah. I was there. I know how it happened. I'm just wondering if you're willing to say that this book is like rated. True? Half true? Mostly true? Some true?

SAM: I would rate it half true on the specific examples.

VOICE: Okay.

SAM: Mostly true overall that I don't think --

VOICE: Like on the gist?

SAM: On the gist of it, I would say mostly true. I do not think the president the he was going to win the campaign.

PAT: Interesting.

JEFFY: Wow.

PAT: And that seems to be kind of a common theme from people in and around the campaign was that he never thought he was going to win. And some have claimed that he didn't want to.

JEFFY: Yeah, he was just there for the ride.

PAT: Pretty interesting. As far as specific quotes that are in this book, they're not entirely accurate. But the gist of what he's saying, the spirit of the message, he says, is -- is mostly true.

JEFFY: Okay.

PAT: That's going to be interesting to see. When the book comes out and you get the full context of what they're saying about it, we'll see. We'll see what happens.

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4 ways Democrats are RUINING energy & 5 ways we can save it

It’s not just that America needs more energy to run the nation NOW. But we’ll need much more if we actually want to run the technology of the FUTURE. So, it’s a good thing there’s no knowledge OR physical resource deficits to creating more, low-cost energy in thousands of places around the world, Alex Epstein, author of ‘Fossil Future,’ tells Glenn. Rather, he says, today's energy crisis is due to current political reasons instead. In fact, Epstein lists the four steps Democrats seem to be taking — especially within the Inflation Reduction Act — to ruin American energy. Thankfully, Epstein has the answer to save it. He discusses the 5 steps to his ‘energy freedom platform’ and explains how YOU can become involved to help save American energy too...

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GLENN: So last night, I laid out a kind of bleak look for the future of energy. And I don't think most people understand. We don't need just the energy to run things now. We need more energy to run the technology of the future. And Alex Epstein is with us. He's from the Center of Industrial Progress. Founder and president. And also, the author of a book you must read, it's Fossil Fuel.


And he's come equipped with some real solutions to our energy problem, to be able to stave it off. And, really, all you need is support from the American people. Right?

ALEX: Yeah. The great thing about energy, is there's all the potential to produce low cost reliable energy for billions of people in thousands of places. There's no -- there's no physical resource deficit for doing this, and there's no knowledge deficit.

Human beings know how to produce reliable electricity. Right? We know how to produce energy on a scale of billions of people. We're just being prohibited from doing it politically. Which means that there's a political solution, if we are liberated to be able to do it.

GLENN: So we have -- I mentioned that in Colorado -- I mean, people who have these smart thermostats. I've said for a while. Don't do that.
ALEX: That's a euphemism.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. In Colorado, they had to -- they lost control of their thermostats. And I mentioned that and said, you know, if your right to touch your thermostat is only worth $25 a year to you, good luck. But people are bashing back saying, well, that's because the coal-powered plants went down. And, you know, it was an emergency at the coal-powered plants. Because coal is just not stable.

ALEX: Yeah. We're really in this Orwellian world, right? I mean, the inflation act is called the Inflation Reduction Act. Freedom is slavery. And coal is unreliable. And solar and wind are reliable. Despite the obvious.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ALEX: Yeah. What they always point to, they did this with the Texas blackouts too.

They'll point to some individual failure of some fossil fuel plant. And then say, oh, well, this inherently doesn't work.

But we know that we can produce reliable electricity with fossil fuels, because we've been doing it for generations. And we've done it in all weather conditions. You can do it when it's really cold, when it's really hot. So if you know a fossil fuel plant fails, that's just something about the specific situation. That's not the technology. Solar and wind, they do not produce electricity most of the time, and you can't rely on them, almost any time. That's the basic nature of them. And part of what happens when you see fossil fuel failures is often, they have to account for the intermittency of solar and wind. So they have to cycle up and down, or be shut down and restarted more. Much more than they would be if they were on their own.

And -- or what happens is they'll get defunded, the way the whole subsidies just expanded unfortunately. Is that they defund reliable powerplants, including things like weatherization, say, for natural gas in Texas. So we know that we can -- again, we have all the ability to produce reliable electricity at low costs. We're just not using it because of political factors.

GLENN: Okay. So go over can't five-point plan.

ALEX: So I call this the energy freedom platform. And I encourage politicians of all parties to adopt this opinion unfortunately -- I mean, unfortunately right now, Democrats are not being very good in terms of energy. They almost all supported the inflation act. I think basically all of them did.

GLENN: And, by the way, I played the audio from an activist group, that was a part of this inflation reduction bill.

And they admitted, they were talking to their own supporters. And they were like, look, it's not about inflation.

It's really a green bill. Which we all kind of knew, if you were paying attention.

It's a green bill. It's stuffed with stuff about green energy.

ALEX: Yeah. And we can talk about how -- I mean, I consider that a four-step recipe for destroying American energy basically. Because just very quickly.

So it involves increasing dependence on unreliable electricity. If you want to destroy American energy, that's a good step one. Step two is add taxes and restrictions to fossil fuels, during fossil fuel shortages. That's a good -- that's a good step two. What were the other steps? I mean, it's so bad. Oh, yeah. Increase the power of the EPA to shut down fossil fuel projects. We need more of that, obviously. And then increase the power of environmental justice activists to stop all energy development.

GLENN: And you've just done that the lie the DOJ now.

ALEX: Yeah. They have this four-step thing, which if you're trying to destroy American energy, it's hard to think of a better plan. So let's talk about how to improve American energy, with the Energy Freedom Platform. So I'll give the five, and then we can go into depth in any of one of them.

Okay? So number one is liberate responsible development. Number two is end preferences for unreliable electricity. Number three is reform air and water emission standards to incorporate cost-benefit analysis. This is a really important one for EPA stuff. Number four is liberate -- is rather, reduce emissions long-term, through innovation, not through punishing America.

Through liberating innovation, not through punishing America.

And then number five, which I know you will be sympathetic to, is decriminalize nuclear energy. So we can talk about any of those, but they're all crucial.

GLENN: Okay. Let's just take them one by one real quick.

ALEX: Okay.

GLENN: First one.

ALEX: So liberate responsible development. Energy inherently involves developing the world around us. And yet we have an anti-development movement that is setting energy policy, and running many of these agencies. So there's opposition to development even in the investment world. But in particular, just all these antidevelopment policies that are restricting fossil fuel development, nuclear development, et cetera.

GLENN: So ESG is a good example. Well, ESG is a kind of quasi political. But if you just look at how difficult it is, if you take nuclear. Like how difficult it is to start a nuclear plant.

You know, you say, four years.

Now it takes 16 years. Part of that is you have these antidevelopment so-called green activists that can stop things on a dime. So you really need policies that are pro development. And they're responsible development, if they try to stop endangerment. So you don't want to endanger local people, or endanger some national treasure. But you can't have the idea that it's wrong to develop nature.

And that terrible anti-human idea is at the root of so many of our laws and policies.

So when I go into the details, if people go to EnergyTalkingPoints.com, you'll see there's a lot of specific policies that need to be reformed, that are antidevelopment right now.
GLENN: Okay. All right. Number two.

ALEX: So is end -- end preferences for unreliable electricity.

And on that website, there's something called electricity emergency, which goes into the details.

But basically, right now, we do three things. We have mandates for unreliable electricity. We prefer them in that way. Many states have those. Like my state of California, unfortunately has those.

We have subsidies, which we just expanded under the Inflation Act.

Right? So we did that. And then the most insidious that people don't know, is that we have very unfair pricing. Because there's no cost penalty for selling unreliable electricity into the grid. Now, you think about that. Imagine you have a car company, and you got to charge the same for a car that works a third of the time. And a car that works all the time. That's how the grid works. You get the same alternate for selling unreliable electricity. Reliable electricity. And actually, you get more. Because all the subsidies, that we just extended. So you actually get paid a premium for selling something that is not nearly as valuable. And sometimes unreliable electricity is of negative value. Sometimes if you have too much electricity, you need to off-load it. So this is -- if you pay a premium for you be reliable electricity. Guess what, you get unreliable electricity.

GLENN: Okay. Number three.

ALEX: So this had to do with the air and water emissions standards. So right now, let's look at what the EPA is doing. We have in that article, electricity emergency.

I talk about, there's slated to be 93 gigawatts of coal shutting down, in terms of already announced things. That's almost one-tenth of a reliable capacity.

One-tenth. This is by 2030.

But there's also the threat of 92 more.

So almost a fifth of our reliable capacity. There's a reliability bloodbath that's scheduling to happen. The lion's share of this comes from EPA policies.

So it's EPA deliberately trying to do things that will shut down these coal plants, even though as you've talked about, there's no viable replacement in the pipeline. We have almost no nuclear scheduled. Not nearly enough gas.

So how does the EPA justify this? Well, one thing is they don't use real cost-benefit analysis when they're making decisions. So they'll say, hey, wouldn't it be great to have lower emissions? But they don't think about, what is the cost of that, in terms of what is the cost to human life of an unreliable grid. They're almost incalculable. So the EPA is making these decisions, and they're not giving any consideration to the reliability of the great. So that's an example of you need real cost-benefit analysis.

GLENN: These people -- are there any honest people on this side? I mean, I don't understand how an honest person can look at it and not say, yeah, but this will make things more unreliable. And people will either die from heat stroke, or they will either die freezing in the winter. You know, you can't just have an unreliable grid like this? Is there anybody on the other side that is asking these questions that's honest?

ALEX: I think one. I mean, there are some people who are really anti-energy. So essentially, they're honest. They hide it from the public. They want less power. They want to industrialize. That kind of thing. I think one of the challenges is. I talk about this in chapter one, of Fossil Future. We rely on what I call a knowledge system to give us expert knowledge and guidance on all these specialized areas. And what you have is multiple of these specializations are failing, at the same time. But each specialization thinks the other is doing its job. So, for instance, the electricity people have been hiding the electricity emergency.

They're not acknowledging. Many of the companies have not been acknowledging. You talk behind the scenes, yeah. This is a disaster. But publicly, they won't say anything. The regulators are kind of silent. And so the public thinks, oh, there's not that big a threat. And then the EPA people, they'll distort the science about the side effects of coal.

But they'll kind of think, oh, yeah. We don't have to worry about reliability. Because the isn't saying that.

There's dishonesty kind of everywhere.

But one reinforces the other. I mean, we've got a world, that thought legitimately, you could rapidly eliminate fossil fuels by 2050, and it would work well. This was the mainstream view.

And part of it was there were all these false views, that are being combined. And people have this idea. Well, most people -- the experts, so-called.

The people that were told they're experts. They can't be that wrong. But they can be that wrong in part because what we're told the experts think is usually a massive distortion of what actually the researchers in a field think.

GLENN: Yes. That's happening with global warming, all the time.

ALEX: Oh, yeah. Of course. It's the idea that the world is going to end, if it gets one or 2 degrees warmer on a planet where far more people die of cold than of heat.

The researchers don't think that, but that gets distorted by what I call our knowledge system to make it. Oh, it's an apocalypse. And you have to take a crash emergency action and destroy all your energy. And then the planet will be nice to you. And then life will be great.

GLENN: Give me the fourth one.
ALEX: So the fourth one is --

GLENN: Reduce.

ALEX: Reduce emissions long-term. It's very important. It has to be long-term. Because there's no short-term producing of emissions. That's a pipe dream. So it's reduce CO2 emissions long-term, by liberating innovation, not punishing America.

GLENN: When did we lose that in America?

ALEX: Lose which one?

GLENN: The idea that we innovate our way out of problems? Instead, we're just -- we're just dismantling everything. Instead of saying, you know, hey, we've got -- we've got a food storage problem. And somebody comes up with the refrigerator, you know what I mean? We are already seeing technology, that is -- we have reduced greenhouse gases. Better than anybody else.

And a lot of it is because of new technology.

But we just dismiss that.

ALEX: I just there are a couple of things going on. So one of this is there's this idea that CO2 emissions are an emergency. And when you think of something as an emergency, you need to get rid of it immediately.

And if that's your view. The only thing you can do is just massively destroy human life.

I mean, that's the only way you can do it.

To reduce emissions now, in a world where fossil fuels are 80 percent of the world's energy. In a world that needs vastly more energy, 3 billion people using less electricity per person than one of our refrigerators.

Like, the world is going to be using more fossil fuels for a while. So if you think of it as an emergency, the world is going to end, then you are going to do these crash problems and accept these terrible consequences. Which we're just beginning to see. Because we've only reduced fossil fuels a little bit, compared to what has been asked for, in World Economic Forum, and all these other people. So one is this emergency mindset is really bad.

And it's not justified. We're safer than ever from climate. CO2 emissions have a warming impact and a greening impact. It's not a catastrophic impact. If you want to lower emissions. You have to think of it as a long-term thing. That's the only moral way, and it's the only practical way. China and India will not lower their emissions until there's a cost-effective alternative. Now, the greens say they want cost-effective alternatives. They say they want solar and wind. But notice that their approach is to first restrict fossil fuels. I know you've talked about, and then promise a replacement. That's not how markets work. That's not how freedom works.

GLENN: Right. That's not how anything of common sense works. You don't say, I know all the machines in the hospital are keeping your husband alive, but we're going to try something that's never been done before. So we'll turn off all of those machines. And then hope that something works. That's -- that's insane.

ALEX: But that has been the policy. Part of it has been disguised. They said, to take your analogy. They've said the equivalent of, hey, we have this amazing new machine. We're developing green machines. Right?

But what they didn't say, is their main policy is shutting down the machines that worked. Like, what did Biden do first? Shuts down the Keystone XL Pipeline. Bans leasing on federal lands. He didn't come up with some new energy innovation and prove it.

He shut down, what was -- what was working. And that's the huge prison. And so the approach has to be, you liberate innovation, so you get things like cost-effective nuclear.

But you don't dictate inferior alternatives, and call that innovation. Unfortunately, that's what passes for innovation today. That's what the whole inflation act is about. It's about mandating or coercing us to do these things that don't work.

GLENN: All right. Back in just a second. Now, this is five-step platform. However, we need your help on this.

And it's a -- it's a real thing, that could make the -- a significant difference, and turn things around for us. We'll give it to you, in just a few minutes.

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GLENN: So you are working with like 100 different legislative offices, correct?

ALEX: Yeah. To various degrees. So two years ago, I was very frustrated by -- I was having success with the public. And I was success with the corporate world. But the political world was just totally ignorant of the kind of pro-human, pro-freedom energy, thinking I had been developing.

And I figured out, like the thing I could do, was I needed to figure out how to give them messaging and policy, in a way that was useful for them.

So I started this website, EnergyTalkingPoints.com. Like, everything on that, can be fit in a tweet. So it's really efficient ways of explaining pro-freedom views.

So if you go there, there's probably thousands of individual talking points, all really well referenced.

And then I found that I got demand for people to get custom help.

So I created something called Energy Talking Points on Demand, where I would have biweekly briefings. And it's just with high-level offices. So it's congressional offices, U.S. Senate offices, and governor's offices.

And so we have about 300 staffers, that are part of it, over 100 offices, and increasing the meetings with the elected officials themselves. I spoke to a group of 20 last time I was in DC. I'm going to DC next week. And what I found there was a real appetite for this. Because many of these offices want to be pro-energy and pro-freedom. But they didn't have the messaging to explain -- to refute all the myths. And also clarity on what to do, going forward.

And that's why I developed the energy freedom platform. Was the clarity on what to do going forward. So what I've been encouraging them to do is, hey, this is a blueprint. You can win on these issues. And you can do something really good. So say Republicans.

Not politically -- not political, really. But let's say Republicans right now, are much more pro-energy. If you guys take over Congress, you need to advocate something positive.

You can't just -- once you take over, you can't just react to negatives.

There's a lot of reacting to negatives, and not a clear having positives. So I would ask your listeners, if they like this, it's really, really simple. Just call your office. Call your office -- oh, are you going to say something?

GLENN: I have got about 20 seconds before we break.

ALEX: Oh, sorry. Just say. Talk to Alex Epstein. Give them my email. Alex@AlexEpstein.com. Just tell the office to email me, and I will set up a call with them, and I'll tell them all about how to use the energy freedom platform.

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Don’t let Biden’s inflation reduction celebration FOOL YOU

The Biden administration hosted a celebration on Tuesday, commemorating the Inflation Reduction Act’s passing. All your FAVORITE Democrats were in attendance, touting Joe’s stellar work healing the economy. Nancy Pelosi even said the ‘landmark law’ is ‘cutting costs and…driving down costs of kitchen table items for America’s working families.’ Err…what?! In this clip, Glenn explains why these Democrat claims couldn’t be further from the truth. But most importantly, Glenn says, Americans AREN’T BUYING the LIES.

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GLENN: So yesterday, whoa. What a -- what a shindig, you know what I mean?

They were cutting a rug, at the White House.

PAT: And there's not a better party tune than -- than fire and rain.

GLENN: Yeah. Fire and rain.

PAT: About suicides. Horrible instances in your life.

GLENN: I was thinking, up on the roof. Hey, if you're a cancer patient. Don't jump. That's not field goal to happen. Anyway, it was wonderful. Here's Nancy Pelosi. Cut 18. Nancy Pelosi.

NANCY: Inflation Reduction Act within so beautifully name for all that it does. As the name suggests, this landmark law is cutting costs, and driving down --

GLENN: Okay. Stop. Pause, pause. Is that true at all?

PAT: No.

GLENN: No. That's not true. At all. The inflation numbers have come out. That is not true. Do you know the only place where inflation is going down, is energy, oil, gas? Why is that?

Well, because of some demand destruction. And when someone says to you, what the fed is trying to do is -- they're looking for demand destruction. What does that mean?

Well, just put your name, and your bank account, and replace demand with that. So Glenn's bank account, at the -- at the south lake bank.

What the fed is really trying to do, is they're looking for Glenn Beck's account in south lake to be destroyed.

That's literally what demand destruction means.

You won't have the money to be able to buy anything.

So the demand is destroyed. Just keep that in mind, when you hear that.

Now, the other thing, do we have the chart? I think we were going to show it next hour. Yeah. There it is. Look at this chart, Pat.

How would you describe that? A reverse hockey stick?

PAT: Yeah. Exactly, yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Flatline. Oh, and all of a sudden, it just nose dives. Do you know what that is?

PAT: No.

GLENN: That's the strategic oil reserves.

PAT: Oh. Wow. Jeez.

GLENN: And this was before they did another, what? 80 million gallons? Recently.

This is -- this isn't even current.

PAT: Hmm.

GLENN: Look at where our oil reserves are. Isn't that great? I love that.

PAT: Lowest level I think in 40 years.

GLENN: I think it might be ever, at this point. Since we started it in the 1970s. So the strategic oil reserve. That's why your gas price is going down. He is using the strategic oil reserve, to make sure the elections go a little better than they would.

He's trying to convince you, that everything is great. But the thing is, nobody is buying it. Even the people in the audience, cut 19.

VOICE: Mr. President, thank you for unifying and inspiring a vision of a stronger, fair, safer future for all. For our children. Your extraordinary leadership has made this glorious day possible.

GLENN: Okay. Stop. Stop. Just a sec. Just a second. I have to go pack.

Did you hear what she said? It's a safer America. Is it? Is it?

I mean, everything is so demonstrably false.

Is it a safer America?

PAT: No. There's no question.

GLENN: There's no question.

PAT: All the crime stats.

GLENN: Okay. Is it a fairer America?

PAT: No.

GLENN: Okay. Now, why would you say that, Pat?

PAT: Well, for one thing, because some of us are paying for other people's college funds, and taking away their debt for them with our money.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Why are you such a hater? Why are you such a hater?

PAT: I don't know. I'm not sure how that happened.

GLENN: Here's what you really have to quote. Under Joe Biden, the -- the fairness. The -- the gap between rich and poor.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Has gone up for the first time in like eight years.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Okay?

So we are actually becoming less fair under Joe Biden.

PAT: Hmm.

GLENN: All right. So she says this.

Go ahead. Play it again, please.

NANCY: Mr. President, thank you for unifying and inspiring a vision of a stronger --

GLENN: Stronger, not true.

NANCY: -- fairer, safer --

GLENN: Safer?

NANCY: -- future for all, for our children. Your extraordinary leadership has made this glorious day possible. I -- that's an applause line.
(laughter)

GLENN: I love that.

PAT: If you have to tell them it's an applause line, it's not an applause line.

GLENN: It's not an applause line. No. It sounded like everybody was sitting there stunned going, you've got to be kidding, right? I mean -- it's an applause line! You will applaud.

PAT: Jeez.

GLENN: It's nuts. And if you happen to not be there. Play a little, please, of James Taylor, just partying down. Listen. He sounds so young too.
(music)

GLENN: Okay.

PAT: All right. Where is the party hat?

GLENN: Yeah, well, the Ink Spots couldn't make it. So they had to go with James Taylor. And it was a party. Unfortunately, this happened in the middle of the party. And the party-goers didn't hear it. But everyone else did. Cut 28. Cut 28, please. This is it?

BIDEN: But for years, Big Pharma blocked Medicare from negotiating lower drug practices.

PAT: Practices. Practices.

VOICE: All right. I don't want to be a party crasher, but we interrupt this celebration for a hard, cold dose of reality. Stocks tanking because inflation is accelerating. The very inflation that the president said, he's made great progress of addressing. Heralding his reduction inflation act.

GLENN: Okay. Stop.

This is -- we are watching. -- we are watching something that rarely happens in the free world.

We're watching the worst propaganda ever devised. This is horrible propaganda.

Horrible propaganda.

The state is saying one thing -- do you remember when I was growing up, so you have to be -- you know, you've got to be an old fart like me. But I remember thinking, how do people in Russia believe any of this stuff?

And it's because they had total control. Total control of everything that was said. Now, imagine if one day, you turn on this program, and all you hear is.

That might -- that might leave a vacuum. And all you can hear is what the government was saying, without an interruption of breaking news of how bad the stock market is going. That's how you believe it. That's why they are silencing any other voice. It is why it is so vital. People ask me all the time. How do I know what's true? What sources do you trust?

Listen to me. I don't trust anybody. I don't even trust -- we check things six ways to Sunday. And if we get it wrong, we come back and we'll tell you.

I don't know how many people do that. I know there are a few sources. Just the news, is a very good source. You should read every day. But if I may, I hate to sound like I'm just hocking this. But I am. Because I believe in it.

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All right. So we have the income inequality spiking for the first time in ten years. We have inflation, the number, the actual number going down.

But only -- only in the category of energy.

And they expect you to say, oh, no. It's getting so much better. But, you know, because you buy other things.

Inflation is actually up, everywhere else. You know, what is true. This is something we talked about yesterday. You know what is true.

When you hear people repeatedly lie to you, or repeatedly wrong, and then don't correct it. When the facts come out. And they go, oh, that's -- wow, it's really -- the Hunter Biden thing. It's really true. If they're hedging their bet at all. If they're not asking for a mea culpa. If they're not saying, please, forgive us for that. Boy, we are wrong. And we learned a lesson. And we're going to do X, Y, and Z from here on out. You've heard the New York Times, bury the fact that it is real. And then just go on like they've reported it real, the whole time. You have to stop listening to those people. And it is time honestly, to move on from the people, who don't have ears or eyes.

This is a really difficult job to do. Because I -- I'm trying to attract a -- a big audience. Get it as big as we possibly can. So more and more people can hear the truth. Or at least hear what I believe is true. And let them decide on their own. But I'm trying to balance. How do I do that?

Because, you know what, there is so many people now, that time is running short. And you need -- you need to know what to do. Not -- not just what's happening. But what to do.

I've been working on these things, for a couple of months now. And my job is to warn you. It's not to give you an out. But there are things that I know, that can be done, and things that you need to know. Warning, for instance, the big raid yesterday, on -- on Mike Lindell, at a Hardee's.

I mean, it's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.

PAT: Just shows you too, they've been following him around.

GLENN: Following him.

PAT: That's incredible.

GLENN: And they follow him, guns a blazing, while he's at a drive-thru at Hardee's. We need your phone. We need your phone. Get out of the car. We need your phone.

What the hell is that? Like he's terrorist number one. What was that all about?

What was the story that happened I think in New Jersey. The woman that was on Tucker Carlson last night.

That said the FBI came armed. Came to her house and said, hey. We understand through an anonymous tip, that you were a January 6th. What is that all about?

PAT: And she wasn't, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, yeah. She wasn't. She wasn't there. And you -- you're getting an anonymous tip, and you're coming with guns?

What are you talking about?

She was terrified. Absolutely terrified.

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And it was like a two-hour extravaganza.

Where we brought the experts in, and we told you exactly what to look for, where to find it, and what to do.

We're going to do that again. And we'll do it as a special before the elections. Because this is happening.

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THIS story makes Glenn ask: How could ANYONE vote Democrat?

Minnesota Freedom Fund — once championed by Kamala Harris — helps to provide bail funds for certain criminals, like rioters from the summer of 2020. Now, one man helped by the non-profit is facing jail time once again: this time for MURDER. And that’s just the start. In this clip, Glenn details tragic crimes that could have been prevented if Democrats hadn’t gotten in the way. And with crime rising in leftist-run cities throughout the U.S., it begs the question: How could anyone vote for our current-day Democrats?!

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GLENN: Well, look, we have a couple of things going on that are important. First of all, Minnesota bail fund, champion by Kamala Harris. Remember when she was like, you should bail these people out. You want to contribute.

STU: Yeah. These are the people that went and burned down buildings, and got arrested. And then Kamala Harris said, hey, give these people money so they can get back out on the streets, and probably do it again, tomorrow night.
GLENN: Well, one of the guys that the Minnesota freedom fund that she was recommending that people do. And he was arrested during the George Floyd thing. So he was let out. Shot and killed a passenger, on a railroad platform in St. Paul just a few minutes ago. But no big deal.
Freedom Fund executive directors defended their group's decision to post the bail in a statement on Thursday.
It's at -- it is neither just nor effective to respond to violence by denying bail, and preemptively punishing people, who are disproportionately poor, black, brown, and disingenuous.
STU: See, when you've been arrested, we're not preemptively punishing you. That means, we're doing something in advance of your crime.
The arrest happens after your crime. You're asking in advance of a second crime, that wound up being committed. By the way, I do hope, I do hope we will be seeing that story, that time line told, in a nice, condensed way, in a bunch of political ads going in 2022. I do hope the Republicans do remember all of this. And make sure they highlight that quite clearly. The victim of that crime. So that people remember, what happens, when tells me get control. As they place these DAs all over the country.
GLENN: I don't think they sell 60 minute commercials. Because if you were going to highlight all the people that were released.
STU: Not all of them.
GLENN: Anyway, Tillman's most recent felony conviction was in November 2015, for indecent exposure in the presence of a minor. Don't worry, he had seven prior counts of indecent exposure at the time. But this was one of those good people that needed to be released by Kamala. He's not the first person to commit murder after being bailed out by Freedom Fund. The group also freed a man charged with domestic abuse last year. And then just a couple of weeks ago, he murdered another man in a road rage incident. So we have that going.
Oh, by the way, Minneapolis has the highest number of homicides last year, since the 1990s. So I think we're all going in the right direction. Oh, my gosh.
How do our friends not see this? How do people not see this?
Everything that they have touted has been an unmitigated disaster. And has led us to where we are today. What am I missing?
By the way, if you're a Democrat, or used to be a Democrat, or whatever. I would love to hear from you. If you can understand or explain your friends, I would love to understand. Because I really, truly don't get how you're missing this. Unless it's just so much hatred for the other side.
STU: I think that's exactly what it is. I think it's our society today.
I think we've now crossed the line, where -- I was listening to a podcast over the past week or so. Where they were talking about the conversion -- I wish I could remember the name of it. But it was basically the conversion of our society, from changing from people who rooted for things, to people who rooted against things. And we are now a society that that's all we do.
Like, you know, their example was culturally, with celebrities. Back in the day, people were celebrities, and you praised them. And everybody wanted to be them. And everyone loved them. And then sometime -- I think the theory was in the '90s. That changed to a lot of the celebrities we have, we just hate. We're constantly making fun of them. We're constantly saying, they're reality stars. All --
GLENN: So downtrodden.
STU: Yeah. But that's what we do. They weren't saying that it was necessarily unfair to celebrities. That was not the point.
But look at social media. Someone comes out with something new. And generally speaking, someone sits there, and trashes them. That's what you do. You say how terrible they are. How annoying they are. Everything they do is terrible. And I think that is where we are as a society now. Where like, I think the Democrats -- the only way you could possibly vote for a Democrat, is because you look at the right, and say, I need them more.
GLENN: Well, that's another thing. Nobody likes a fascist, right?
And now there's two things that are happening. One, Biden is calling people semi-fascists. But now, led by Biden, several leaders and several people in the Democratic party, that are running for office, like Charlie Crist, are coming out, and they're not just demonizing the Republican politicians anymore. They are now demonizing Republican voters.



They are clearly saying -- it's always been implied. But now they're clearly saying, these people.
You know, this vermin. These -- these Jews.

Just replace Republican and Jews. They're interchangeable at this point. This is exactly how it happened before. And nobody would know that better -- better than the New York Times. You would think.

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Expert gives the ACTUAL reasons why gas prices decreased

‘Falling gas prices give Democrats a sense of optimism for November,’ The Hill reported earlier this week. But that doesn’t mean Democrats deserve ANY credit. Financial expert Carol Roth, author of ‘The War On Small Business,’ joins Glenn to explain the ACTUAL reasons gas prices have dropped and the one way Biden actually is just making it worse. Plus, Roth and Glenn discuss whether the coming energy crisis could lead to the federal government nationalizing the entire industry…

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GLENN: Carol Roth, the war on small business author. And former recovering investment banker, that actually can break things down and talk and explain what things mean to the regular schlubs of America.

Welcome, Carol. How are you?

CAROL: You know, just enjoying the Biden economy. How are you?

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. That party yesterday was absolutely incredible. Incredible.
(laughter)
I mean, it was surreal. They were celebrating that the interest rate is coming down. Can you explain what happened with the interest rate numbers. The CPI numbers.

CAROL: All right. Well, James Taylor was there. So we saw fire. And we saw rain. We saw a revery hot CPI report yesterday. As we know, the CPI is one of the measures of inflation. And one of the measures of consumer inflation. We do know it's understated because they have messed with it, for the last several decades. To underplay it. But it's still a benchmark to sort of compare. It was considered hot by all expectations. We knew there was going to be some decline, in the headline number, because of the sharp decline in gasoline prices.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. But could you explain why the price of gasoline was going down?

CAROL: Sure. So before we get to the nitty-gritty.

GLENN: Yeah.

CAROL: So there were a couple of reasons why gasoline is come down. Some of it was our president pulling a little bit of a stunt, pulling oil out of our oil reserves. And putting it out in the markets, to kind of depress it. Some of it was artificial, because the gas taxes have been on hiatus in certain locales. But the biggest reason, that the gasoline prices are coming down. Because of the price of oil is coming down. And the biggest reason the price of oil is coming down is because the price of oil got too high.

It's just pure demand destruction. There's a saying in the commodities market, that the best cure for high prices, is high prices.

And that's we saw. Not only here in the United States, where people maybe decided not to take a road trip. Or reroute their lives. You know, so they're not using as much energy. And particularly gasoline. But also, on a global stage. Obviously, the prices are going through the roof, as we know in Europe. Completely self-inflicted.

But, you know, again, they're having to make those same choices. And then China, as we've discussed previously. Is having its own issues. And particularly, with parts of that country, being under lockdown. And being a top consumer of oil. They weren't using it.

So the demand destruction, is that reason. That big reason, that we had to decrease in oil. And then decrease in gas.

GLENN: So just confirm, this is a good way to look at the words demand instruction. Because you'll hear people to say, what we're looking for is demand destruction in the oil prices. And blah, blah, blah. And, you know, it just kind of goes over people's heads. And I describe it today. Every time you hear demand instruction, put your fame. So Carol Roth, your bank. Your bank account. At let's say Bank of America.

What they're looking for. What they're really looking for, is Carol Roth's bank account at Bank of America to be destroyed. So you don't have the money to go and buy the things. Correct?

Looking to price things so crazy. That you can't -- you can't afford it.

CAROL: Yeah. It's the outgrowth of high prices, that basically Carol Roth says, you know -- I'm looking at my bank account. It's being destroyed.

And there's no way that I can go on that road trip. So I'm just not going to be one of those people in the market, who is purchasing gasoline this month. I'm going to take a reprieve. I'm going to work from home. That's part of the whole story of the Federal Reserve. What they're trying to do to, quote, unquote, slow down the economy. And engineer their -- another big -- you know, kind of financial speak. A soft landing. Trying to quell inflation without tanking the economy.

And that's their tool kit, is all about demand destruction. They don't want the consumer to purchase. They don't want businesses to make investments. And we've already had two quarters of negative growth.

So if they're trying to get the economy to slow down, you know what that means? That means more contraction.

GLENN: Okay. So that's why gas is going down. And that was really the only thing that went down. Right?

We had food prices skyrocketed.

CAROL: Yeah. It's crazy. I saw a stat in there, that food in the house, it was something like they were in the highest levels since the late 1970s. '79, I think. So we have hot numbers in food, in shelter. In medical care services. This isn't like ancillary stuff. This isn't the fancy clothes. This is the stuff that you're -- you know, you need to be able to live your life.

And it was the -- the fact that we thought, maybe -- the lower energy prices would flow through, no pun intended, a little bit more of the economy. But it's just shown that we have a very broad base, in terms of inflation. It's not just coming from that one pocket. It's not just Putin's fault, Glenn.

GLENN: Right.

CAROL: And that is going to take a long time to come back down to normalized levels.

GLENN: So we have something else to add on top of that. And you can call it climate change or just a bad season, or whatever. But I was talking to my aunt, who is like 85 years old, yesterday.

Quite a conversation. I said!

Anyway, she was canning yesterday. And she was like, there have been no peaches. No beans. She said, we planted our bean garden three times. We had a hard time even finding seeds for it.

There is -- we are facing a real crisis just because the crops didn't come through, and that's happening globally. You add to that, all of the other problems. We haven't seen -- we're now just about to get into the time, where we would be using this summer's crops. Correct?

So food prices still have a lot way to -- a long way to go. In the up direction, don't they?

CAROL: They do. And that's part of the issue. Why I'm sort of banging my head against the wall, in terms of these discussion points. Because as we talk about the demand destruction that the fed policy is trying to enact.

Our issue is the broad-based supply issue. And as you mentioned, one of the areas that is undersupplied is food. Part of that, as you mentioned, because of weather events. Some of that because of fertilizer shortages. Some of it is because of by-products from energy that go into dry grains. Some of that, because of, you know, war in Ukraine.

But all of these things happening at the same time, are creating those shortages.

And again, as the consumer decides what to substitute. They may be able to substitute to a lower cost food, but they can't substitute food. And that will continue to be an issue, all across the globe.

GLENN: Well, they can't eat bugs. They're supposed to be very, very tasty.

Okay. Hang on just a second. I want to ask you a couple of things about the fed, and what they're planning on doing. And I'm reading some disturbing things, that I would just like -- talk me down from the tree. We'll do that in 60 seconds.

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So a couple of things, let's -- let me start with the fed. I am -- I am reading now, that the fed is going to raise the rates again.

But as astonishing as it seems to me, that we are at these historically speaking low rates. And it's going to stop the heart of the economy. They're saying now, the next rate, or rate hike. Or two. Could just put us into a tailspin. Do you believe that?

CAROL: I do. If you go back to Janet Yellen, our, quote, unquote, esteemed Treasury secretary. The one that told us that inflation would be transitory. And that they needed to get information on $600 e-commerce transactions to keep the billionaires in check, Glenn.

She was on -- one of those weekend shows. And she said, basically, that they fed is going need to a great deal of skill. And also, some luck to achieve this soft landing. Trying to bring down inflation, without taking the economy.

Well, we know on the skill side, we know that they don't have the skills. You know, they were behind the curve in terms of raising the rates to begin with. They waited until we were at, you know, historic 40-year highs, before they even started thinking about reversing course.

So obviously, we know that probably is not -- that the skill part of it. The luck part of it isn't on our side either. Because they don't have the right tool set. As we've been talking about this supply side, versus demand side. And the demand destruction. Their tool set, in terms of raising the target interest rate. As well as potentially reducing the assets under balance sheet. Although, I don't know if they'll ever get around to that. That, again, is to destroy demand.

It's just to have the consumer slow purchases. It's to have businesses slow investment. First, they have the government that's working, you know, against them on that. The government policy is spending more. So those two things are at odds. Which makes absolutely no sense.
But the problem we have now, isn't a demand side issue. It's a supply side issue. As we've been talking about, we have brought under supply. So unless the fed knows how to print labor, print food, print oil, print housing, they are not going to be able to solve for that -- for that Delta, that distance between supply and demand without completely slowing the economy to the point that we are in a severe recession. And that is what the market is signaling, both the stock market and the bond market right now.

Is saying, boy, we don't have the confidence, that the fed not only has the tools, but that they aren't going to put us in a worse situation. And on top of that, then you also have the global economy, you know, in tatters as well. Which isn't a lot -- not a lot. So I'm not real bullish on the skill and luck of the fed right now.

GLENN: So I was in -- I was in Italy last week. And just talked to people. Sit at a restaurant or whatever. And we just talk to people. And one of the more disturbing trends that I heard was, you know, that -- that things are getting really bad. And one person described it to me, as the winds of revolution are sweeping Europe.

Because -- and it's fascinating. Everyone knew, it was the same problem, we have here. The elites are going in one direction. And the people are going in another.

The people are saying, give it back to us. And the elites are saying, give it all to us.

And that's not going to last. And I kept hearing things like, we're just going to have to learn to -- that the this year days of having things that you wanted, and easy lives, are over. Can you describe what that means?

That Americans are just going to have to live a different kind of life.

CAROL: Yeah. It's so frustrating. That, you know, we have the leading economy in the world.

And you have all of these first world countries, that really have spent time, using their technology, to help other countries. And to help lift up human flourishing around the globe. I mean, if you think about China, and what we've done in terms of the extreme poverty there.

Lifting out 90 percent of their population, from extreme poverty. Because they were able to trade with us. And basically suck up some of our capitalism into the communist system. You know, that's what we should be doing. We should be taking that leadership, saying that we know how to do things the best way. And we're going to help everybody flourish. Instead, you have these elites, no. You know, we want this to be a third world country. And we want to be in a dictatorship. Where us at the top, have our own set of rules, and have all the power. And you just suffer. And you're going to have to suck it up.

And, unfortunately, there are some people, who will go along with that. Yeah. You know, crisis. We have to do all this together. Kind of what happened with covid. But we should have happened over the past two years. That they don't have our best outcomes.

GLENN: Interest.

CAROL: Yeah. Outcomes at heart. And they will do anything. Lie. Completely do anything they can to get and usurp that power. And we've already seen, you know, smaller amounts of civil unrest, you know, in developed countries. Whether it was the freedom convoy, or in the Netherlands with the farmers. And, you know, you're right. This could end up becoming a much bigger issue. Which, you know, if it changes the tide. You know, in a sense, it may not be the worst outcome. Not that obviously, I ever want to see any sort of violence or unrest. But we need to change the tenor, and the people need to take back common sense and sanity here.

GLENN: So the -- the one thing that kind of makes sense to me. Is -- you know, if you're somebody who wants control of things. You need to control medicine. They do. They need to control education. They do.

But they need to control energy. You know, I'm seeing this happening in Europe because they're ahead of us. And they're all -- people are going to freeze to death, this winter. They will freeze to death. And people did be able to pay their power bill. Which will put the energy companies into distress. And they won't have the money to do it. Because people aren't paying their bills, et cetera, et cetera. And I just think the government will step in and say, they couldn't get it done. This needs to be done by the government. And you could see the West just taking and absorbing all of our energy companies. Do you think that's a possibility?

Because I think it's likely, at least in Europe.

CAROL: I mean, so if you think about the desire to nationalize, control, have sort of a public/private partnership. At least in the US. California is sort of our incubator for that. And they're starting to test that in a lot of different realms. They just put together that fast recovery act. Which is going to be a state council on fast food. So they'll manage the fast food industry.

And, again, that is a step to try to nationalize these industries. I definitely see a place. We've already been hearing from the U.S. and abroad about things like price caps. We have a big problem in Europe, in terms of the way, they have kind of financed themselves, and a potential collapse of, you know, some of the energy companies and utilities out there. So, yes. You're going to have some -- the governments come in with a bailout. And then they may use that as an excuse. Well, we're bailing them out anyway. They can't manage them. We need to take this over. So whether it's food. Whether it's energy.

Whether it's any aspect of our economic freedom. These crisis are their touch points.

And, again, self-inflicted crisis. In order for them to say, we created the problem. But don't look at that. We'll fix that for you.

GLENN: Carol, will you do me a favor? I would like to do a special with just a group of experts, that can tell the average person, what's coming, and how do we deal with it.

I mean, it's so overwhelming to the average person. And I don't think, because people make it so complex. Because it is complex.

But they make it so complex, that they -- they don't even think about breaking it down into smaller bite sizes, that people can understand. So can you find a bunch of people, that you really think get it. That maybe can sit around at a roundtable, and maybe have a conversation about this.

CAROL: Yes. I would love to be honored to. And I will be in touch.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Carol, we'll talk again. Carol Roth. Carol Roth. Make sure you follow her. She's really, really spot-on. You can follow her at CarolRoth.com.

Also, tonight is a special on the energy crisis. And the collapse that is coming for Europe and what it means to America. Not just the explanation. But what we need to do about it. That's tonight. BlazeTV.com.