GLENN: Abby Johnson, she is the CEO and founder of and then there were none. She was a woman -- I would like to ask her to tell her story, in case you've never heard it. Because it is -- it's a story of redemption and love.
Abby, welcome to the program.
ABBY: Oh, thanks for having me, Glenn. It's always good to be on.
GLENN: You are in Washington, I assume?
ABBY: I am. I'm backstage in the March for Life.
GLENN: I know you've got a million things going on. Can you tell me first what's happening today, and how many people are showing up, and what it's like?
ABBY: Sure. So 45th Annual March for Life. I mean, it's sad that we're still here, 45 years after Roe v. Wade. But we see, you know, significant change in our culture. The overwhelming majority of people here are under the age of 30. I'm 37, and they look at me like I'm ancient. So it's young people here.
In fact, 50 years ago, the president, they were out in the March for Life. And in her report, she said, I looked around, and I thought to myself, "They are all so young."
And that's true. And I think one of the reasons is because, you know, we have a generation of people now that their first baby picture was of themselves in the womb.
It's not, you know, being -- being a child in the womb is not something that is abstract. They can see themselves. They can see that they were potentially at risk for abortion. But they were able to live.
And so it's very real for them. And it's -- it's a great time coming together. But also a time of remembrance, for, you know, the 60 million-plus lives that have been destroyed by abortion. And that's just the unborn. Then we have to consider all the women and men who are also suffering from their abortion decisions.
We expect probably between 400 and 500,000 people to be here in Washington today. Although, you know, CNN will probably say there were a few thousand.
GLENN: Yeah. It doesn't matter.
ABBY: But it's always -- it's always a good time.
GLENN: So, Abby, would you just share your story? Because I like -- what I -- I think you are the key to unlocking so many doors. Because you actually worked at Planned Parenthood. And you're not somebody who is -- you know, drives the abortion truck. You know, that is -- is shouting at people as they go into Planned Parenthood. You're a person who has compassion. And that's what led you to Planned Parenthood in the first place, until you figured it out.
ABBY: Right. So I worked at Planned Parenthood for eight years. Got involved as a college kid. Got -- the prime target for Planned Parenthood is college-aged kids. I say that wherever there are vulnerable women, so is Planned Parenthood. And there are tens of thousands of vulnerable students on college campuses. And you better believe that Planned Parenthood is right there along with them. I didn't know anything about Planned Parenthood. But they told me they were all about helping women. And certainly as a woman, I want to help other women. And so got involved with them. Ended up rising through the ranks. Was a clinic director with them for many years.
And left, in October of 2009, after witnessing a live ultrasound abortion procedure, where I saw a baby fight and struggle for his life against the abortion instrument, and ultimately lost his life.
And I knew then that two things were true: That life was, in fact, in the womb. And that there was humanity in the womb. And if those two things were true, then I was on the wrong side of this debate.
And so I left. And when I left, Planned Parenthood sued me. Tried to take me to court. Tried to get a permanent gag order against me so that I would not be able to speak out about my experience at Planned Parenthood and things that I do.
And they obviously lost. And then a couple years later, I started an organization called, And Then There Were None.
And we actively reach out to abortion clinic workers and try to get them out of the abortion industry.
And to date, in the past few years, we have helped 419 abortion clinic workers leave the industry, find help and hope and healing in Christ.
ABBY: And get them new jobs in life-affirming situations. And that 419 also includes seven full-time abortion doctors, who now work in life-affirming medical practices.
GLENN: What was the key to the -- I mean, the doctors know. What was the key to turn them?
ABBY: You know, they know. A lot of times they've known for a while. And they've wanted to get out for a while. But I think almost all the doctors that we have helped to leave, they -- there's a lot of baggage that comes along with them. Because when you are aborting babies, you are also usually living a pretty immoral lifestyle.
ABBY: And so there's tax issues. There's, you know, many, many divorces. There's, you know, all these issues with children, custody. And so there's a lot of baggage that comes along with them. And they just think, I'm never going to get out of this. I'm never going to be able to get my head above water. Because performing abortion is a very lucrative job. And they think that they can't do it. And we just show them that, look, your soul is more important than the money you're bringing in every year. And we're going to help you -- we're going to help you get your head above water, but you've got to trust us.
GLENN: Abbey, what is the one thing that maybe has been done in the past that you hope to change with people who are pro-life? What is the thing that if you could have everybody here today, this is the message that we should be carrying?
ABBY: So we've got to be carrying a message of love. And oftentimes, there's life and death and the power of the tongue, right?
And in this case in the times that we're living in now, it's the power of our keyboard. And I wish that I could, you know, talk to every pro-lifer and instruct them on how to respond to people online. People are watching us.
Women who have had abortions, they're watching us. They're watching how we respond. And when you call them murderers. When you say hateful things about them, when you say that God will never forgive them, they're watching us. And you could be impeding someone's progress to finding healing and hope in Christ.
When -- when a woman is considering having an abortion, when she's trying to make that decision and she sees you online saying, you know, I -- just, women who do that, oh, they just need to keep their legs closed. What's wrong with them? And they made their need, and they need to lie in it. They're saying things like that. You have the ability to change someone's life and to actually save a life. When an abortion worker is online or a former abortion worker is online and they're looking for resources and they're looking for help, and they pro-lifers, you know, I hope they burn in hell. I pray they burn in hell. God is never going to forgive them. They're baby killers.
They're watching you. And I just wish that I could help everybody understand that our words are so powerful. And underneath everything we do, it should be undergirded in love and in life and in mercy. Because we have all received mercy and grace from Christ, and we should be extending that to everyone.
GLENN: Abby Johnson, thank you so much. I'm glad your voice was heard today.