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Ben Shapiro: Society is rejecting objective truth as a ‘white, patriarchal norm’

Can a society that rejects science, reason and rationality survive?

Ben Shapiro joined Glenn on today’s show to talk about postmodernism and the dangers of a world where everything is subjective.

When people decided to make their own values, they didn’t realize that science and reason would be thrown out as objective truths as well. In today’s progressive age, even science is seen as a “white heterosexual, patriarchal” view of the universe.

But in the real world, subjectivity doesn’t make for good science or a solid business plan. Shapiro pointed out that a company like Google, which fired engineer James Damore over a memo on men and women in the workplace, may purport to believe in these progressive ideas … but if Google actually lived by them, “it would be out of business in 5 minutes.”

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: Joined by Ben Shapiro, who is the editor-in-chief of -- of The Daily Wire. Also, the most-listened to conservative podcast in the world.

Welcome, Ben Shapiro.

BEN: Hey. Good to see you.

GLENN: How are you? So what books would you like to ban today?

BEN: Wow. I mean, after that list, I don't know what's left.

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

BEN: I mean, I got to go with the children's books since I'm separating those in the middle of the night.

GLENN: You go to these college campuses all the time. And you speak. When I went to college -- I spent more time in the parking lot than in the actual classroom. But you were taught how to think. How to find answers.

I mean, I was -- the professor that I learned so much from, I had no idea where he stood on any issue. Because he would argue so hard on one side. And then flip it around and argue on the other side. And you believed both of them.

BEN: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Nobody is doing that anymore. In fact, that's frowned upon.

BEN: Yeah, that's usually reserved for law school. Really. Like, when you go to law school, that's what they say. They're going to teach you how to think like a lawyer. But when you're in undergrad, they don't bother with that anymore. They're teaching you how to think, but it's how they want you to think. So they're teaching you what to think, more than how to think.

GLENN: So what are you seeing when you go to college campuses?

BEN: I think there's a lot of pent-up energy. I think there's a lot of pent-up anger. Because I think people there are largely bored. I think there's a reason that if you show up on a Wednesday night to hear me talk, in the middle of the week, you know, in the middle of the brutal cold and a thousand people show up -- and I don't think it's because I'm that great a speaker. I mean, I'm fine. But I think it has more to do with the fact that there is some hole that's being left intellectually on these campuses.

And anyone who even attempts to fill that hole on campuses is being treated with a certain amount and reverence, simply because the colleges have left the field wide open. You don't even have to be that good at this stuff, in order to be seen as somebody who has something valuable to say, I think.

GLENN: You're pretty good at this stuff.

BEN: You're allowed to say it. I'm not.

GLENN: Yeah. You're pretty good at this stuff. You and Jordan Peterson are probably the best thinkers, I think on the right, right now.

BEN: Well, thanks. That's high compliment because Jordan is fantastic.

GLENN: Yeah. Jordan is amazing.

And he's having the same kind of success that you are, where he's -- and he's a guy who wasn't looking for it.

BEN: Right. Right. That's one of the things -- it's really fascinating. There's a whole group of people who have really come to prominence in the last three or four years. They're really disparate politically. You're talking about people like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris or Brett Weinstein. Or me. And all these people disagree with each other on a huge variety of matters. But there's two things they seem to have in common: One is that they actually purport to care about data. And they won't just dismiss data, if it disagrees with their position. And the other is that they seem to be willing to say no to things.

And there's something that I have started terming the Bartleby effect. Which is, there's this short story by Herman Melville called the Bartleby, the Scrivener.

GLENN: I'm not sure if that's on the list -- the approved list from GQ.

BEN: Yeah, I'm not sure either. But the short story is about this guy who is -- he's a scribe at a Wall Street law firm. And one day his bosses come in and they ask him to do something. He says, I prefer not to. And they don't know what to do with him because he's not actively saying no, but he's not saying yes. He just says, I prefer not to.

They leave him alone. Eventually, after saying, I'd prefer not to, to everything, he ends up dying basically alone and in prison.

But the purpose of the story is to say that society cannot tolerate people who refuse to kind of go along to get along. Well, that's true. But if you look at all the people who have risen to prominence, people like Jordan, Jordan rose to prominence not based on his latest book -- which is actually a pretty late development.

He rose to prominence because in Canada, there's Bill C-16, which essentially mandated that you use transgender pronouns.

And Jordan, a couple of years ago, said, I'm not doing that. That doesn't accord with the realities of psychological development. So I'm just not going to do that.

And people lost their minds. And suddenly, he was this major figure in Canada just for saying no. Sam Harris has become a major figure because he was on Bill Maher's show, and he said, Islam might be more dangerous religion as a general matter than Christianity.

Because the facts bear out that there are more violent Muslims worldwide than violent Christians. And he was run out on the rail by the left. Suddenly, he had this new following, that people were saying, listen, this guy's willing to undergo a certain amount of pressure, in order to say what he wants to say.

For Brett Weinstein, it was the same thing. So saying no, I think gives a lot of college students a feeling. Like, if you're willing to say no and take a risk to say no, then you must have some sort of rooted, eternal values to which you are subject. And this means that you have some sort of gloss on life that is more than what my professors are saying is possible out there.

STU: But it's not just saying no. It's saying no because of logic and reason.

GLENN: Right.

STU: You know, that's why everybody is famous now, of saying no.

No. I'm not male or female.

GLENN: Right.

STU: That's not the same. And it's -- and we are -- have disconnected from all logic, all reason, all science.

BEN: Yes.

GLENN: And just -- and because everybody is just saying, no, well, I don't have to take that. I have different facts.

BEN: It's a really fascinating development to watch, as all these people on the left, who proclaim that they were so pro-science are throwing people out of the ranks.

Like, I don't know if you saw this conversation between Sam Harris and Ezra Klein. Sam Harris is on the left. I mean, Sam is a real Democrat. And Ezra Klein went on his show and called Sam Harris a racist because Sam Harris looked at actual data about IQ differentiation among groups.

He actually read Charles Murray's book and had Charles Murray on his program. And said, listen, Charles Murray is not attributing all of this to biology, but there's some pretty clear evidence that there's at least a biological component to IQ. And Ezra Klein went on Sam Harris' show, and without any data at all, called him a racist. That's because there's this newfangled philosophy that says that all reality is subjective. All reality is what you feel about the reality.

And so science is not subjective. Science is what science is. And that means scientists are surprised when they find themselves out on their ear for the first time.

GLENN: Well, I don't think people really took postmodernism really seriously.

BEN: Yep.

GLENN: And that's what -- we are living in the post-modern world. And if you don't know what postmodernism is -- modern -- the modern lifestyle is the age of reason. Enlightenment. The idea that we take science and facts and we look at all of it. That was modern thinking. We've now thrown that away. We're postmodernism. And instead of now being ruled by a church, we're ruled by some other religious doctrine. I just don't know what it is.

BEN: Yes.

GLENN: But it is a religious -- it's dogma.

BEN: So I'm writing a book about this right now. And I think what's happened here is the culmination of essentially a 300-year process, where what originally happened was, there was -- postmodernism is the rejection of values on behalf the subjective.

So where it makes a certain amount of sense, where people logically resonate to postmodernism is they say postmodernism applies when it comes to morality. That your morality is not objective. Right? We all have our own morality. That life is a series of power political struggles. And what you say as morality, you're only saying that, because it benefits you to say that that's morality. And so a lot of people buy into that.

Well, that though was an outgrowth of the rejection of postmodern -- postmodern value rejection was an outgrowth of the rejection of religion. The idea was, if there's no objective religion out there, then what defines values in here?

And so people said, okay. Fine. Well, we can deal with the postmodern values struggle. Because we'll make our own values. We'll make our own value systems. But they forgot that science is a value. Reason is a value. Rationality is a value.

And so a lot of the folks who were very reasonable and very interested in reason, enlightenment thinkers, were some of the biggest people promoting postmodern values. And then they were surprised when -- when the Frankenstein monster turned on its master. All of a sudden, all these people who are promoting postmodern values said, well, science is a value too. So why exactly should we take science seriously?

If you're saying that reason and rationality is the highest values, but you're only saying that because you're a reasonable, rational, intelligent person. You're only saying that because of your high IQ. You're only saying that because you benefit from the scientific consensus.

Like, there are papers that are now being written on the postmodern left saying things like, science is a creation of the white male, heterosexual patriarchy.

I mean, there was this fascinating thing. I talked to Jordan about this other day. This Google memo that came out, from -- that was revealed in the James Damore lawsuit against Google, where they put out a paper saying, white values versus non-white values.

And among white values were things like rationality. Things like winning and losing. Things like scientific progress. These things were actually listed as white views of the universe, as opposed to objective views of the universe. What I said about it on my show is that, if Google lived by the values that it purports to hate, it would be out of business in five minutes, obviously, right? Google bases its own business on all of these values that it purports to think are white, heterosexual, patriarchal norms. But that's the value system that has built the West. And we're rejecting that now.

Because we thought that we could separate religion from science. And that that break could be clean. And instead, it turns out, that by rejecting religion, by rejecting the idea that there's an objective truth about morality in the world, we're also going to reject the idea of objective truths generally.

And you see some people struggling to put that back together. I'm struggling to put that back together. I think Jordan is struggling to put that back together. I think there are people like Steven Pinker or like Sam -- Sam Harris, who are trying to keep the religion out of it. And trying to restore the Enlightenment vision of science. But I'm not sure how can you do that.

GLENN: It doesn't work.

BEN: I'm not sure how you can remove the base of the science.

There's this weird idea -- you were saying this earlier. You know, there's this weird idea that history began today.

Well, a lot of Enlightenment advocates think that history began in 1750. That's when history began. There's no history to science. That science started in 1750. That good thought began in 1750. There's a rooted philosophy of the West that goes all the way back to Sinai and that carries forward through the sermon on the mount, and then all the way forward, through Lot.

GLENN: There is no way you can understand the West without understanding the Bible.

You don't have to believe --

BEN: This is right.

GLENN: -- in the angels and the magic tricks and the fire and all of that. You don't have to. But you do have to read it and go, what is this trying to teach, and how did this form what we have?

BEN: Exactly.

GLENN: And everybody is trying to throw that out.

Without that, you've completely taken all the cornerstones out. You've taken the cornerstone and all of the foundation of the house out. You've got nothing left.

BEN: This is right. I think the history of this 19th and 20th centuries are enough to prove this.

I mean, mass chaos and the bloody slaughter of an enormous portion of the globe, on the basis of rationality, should be enough to show you that rationality unmoored to some sort of higher value system is pretty dangerous stuff.

GLENN: Back with Ben Shapiro in a minute.

GLENN: Welcome back to the program. Joining us, Ben Shapiro.

STU: Glenn, I hope Ben is -- he understands what's happening in DC. With a very -- very interested guy in the DC city council. If you remember, his name is, let's see, Trayon White, and he initially talked about the big conspiracy that a lot of people are not discussing about how Jews are controlling the weather.

GLENN: Damn you. Notice Ben lives out here in Los Angeles. And it's beautiful all the time.

STU: It is.

GLENN: Coincidence, I don't think so.

STU: Do we have the initial clip of him driving in his car, watching like three snowflakes falling and blaming it on the Jews --

VOICE: It's just snowing out of nowhere this morning, man.

Y'all better pay attention to this climate control, man. This climate manipulation. And DC keep talking about we're a resilient city. And that's a model based off the Rothschild controlling the climate, to create natural disasters. They can pay for it on the cities. Be careful.

BEN: Wow.

GLENN: So the Rothschild. How deeply connected to the Rothschild, are you?

BEN: We really don't talk about this, except in our Friday night meetings. We really try to keep this under wraps. But I will say, the last time I traveled to Atlanta, I brought a tornado with me. Then that big snowstorm in DC was the next day because I traveled to DC.

GLENN: Holy cow. There it is. He has admitted it. Now, there's an update to this story, I don't know if, you know, Ben.

STU: Yeah, it's pretty exciting. I guess he was doing a tour to -- a little penance for his previous comments. And he went to the Holocaust museum. And, you know, this is going to turn out well obviously.

BEN: Oh, good. This is a sitcom here.

GLENN: He did not find the weather machine.

(laughter)

GLENN: He did not find it there.

STU: He did examine a picture of a girl walking through a crowd, surrounded by German soldiers. And the girl was wearing a sign. The sign said, I am a German girl and allowed myself to be defiled by a Jew.

White, this councilman, then asked the tour guide, are they protecting her?

Meaning, are the Germans, Nazi soldiers protecting this girl? No, the guide said. They're marching her through.

Marching through is protecting, White responded.

Of course, the guide pointed out they thought that maybe they were humiliating her.

Now, White then decided halfway through the tour to just bolt. He just leaves the tour and goes outside and waits outside on the street. Once he leaves, a member of his staff suggests that a picture of the Warsaw ghetto resembles a, quote, gated community. The rabbi doing the tour points out, yeah, I wouldn't call it a gated community, more like a prison.

So it's not going well for this particular gentleman.

GLENN: I want to get Ben's view as one of the most hated Jews in America, perhaps the world. I would like to get his view on this gated community and what I think was probably a condominium complex of Auschwitz. When we -- when we come back.

GLENN: So back with Ben Shapiro, who has been following Kanye West and Shania Twain for some strange reason.

BEN: They're both in the news.

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

BEN: Kanye came out with a bunch of kind of bizarrely conservative tweets. He tweeted his support for Candice Owens, the other day, who is a compatriot of Charlie Kirk over at Turning Point USA and a black woman who is a supporter of Trump. Then he tweeted also something about how self-victimization is a disease. And all these conservatives are like, oh, my God. Kanye is on our side, man. Kanye is here.

GLENN: I don't know if I want Kanye on our side.

BEN: So this is my take.

GLENN: Can we remember who Kanye is.

BEN: It's so amazing that we on the right have this scorn for the people on the left. Because we're like, look at how they worship celebrity. Look at how they worship celebrity. First of all, Donald Trump is the president of the United States now. Also Kanye West is -- the only reason you care about what Kanye West thinks and he's just not muttering to himself on a corner somewhere, is because he's a big celebrity.

And this bizarre notion that somebody whom the cameras have focused in on has been conferred with a greater-than-average wisdom is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

As someone who grew up in Hollywood and knows a lot of people the cameras have focused in on, let me just say the folks in the music industry, the folks in Hollywood, they don't know anything. There are a few writers who are somewhat smart. You're talking about these musicians. You're talking about the actors.

GLENN: Oh, come on. Ben, I don't believe that at all.

Of course, they're dolts. A lot of them are just dolts. A lot -- I think there are a lot of people in powerful or public positions, that are as dumb as the city councilmen in Washington, DC.

BEN: Oh, yeah. No question.

GLENN: Have no idea. Never read a book. Don't know history. Have no idea what they're talking about.

BEN: Keith Ellison was almost the head of the DNC. And I'm not sure he's wildly smarter than Trayon White. They both give money, apparently, to the same nation of Islam event. So it's one of the greatest disappointments of life, is Adam Corolla, is that when you're a kid, you look around. You look at the adults. You see they all have houses. And they have cars. And they have nice stuff, and they can do what they want at night. And it looks great. And you figure, they must be so smart. I mean, they've got all these nice things. They've got houses and cars.

And then you grow up and you realize, all the same people who are stupid when you're a kid, they're still stupid when you're adults.

And so that means they all have houses and cars too. And that's not the same thing -- there's a guy who Josh Groban did one of the great routines ever. If you haven't seen it, go to YouTube and look it up. It's so funny. It's him singing the tweets of Kanye west.

And it's him singing things like, fur pillows are hard to sleep on. And it's -- how he wants a giant fish tank. He's looking for a giant dancing fish tank. The same guy who is tweeting about how he needs a giant dancing fish tank is the same guy tweeting deep thoughts about self-realization.

And we're like, yeah, man. Because we're so hungry for any sort of legitimacy on the right. We are so hungry for anyone who is famous, to say we're not the worst people in the world and we're not crazy.

And, particularly, if that person happens to be a minority like Kanye, that we are just willing to glom on to anything. It's an amazing thing.

GLENN: So how do we fare? How do we get through this?

BEN: Do we?

GLENN: Do we, really?

BEN: I don't know. Again, I think we've lost so much of the idea that what validates us is the community that we live in or the God to whom we are subject. And instead, what validates us is a famous person saying something that makes us feel good about ourselves. And that's not a very good thing.

GLENN: So I have to tell you, I am -- I drove to the studios today. We're in Los Angeles. I drove to the studios today. And I turned on the radio. And I heard about a doctor talking about how she's doing regression therapy. But not just for this time line. But all of your alternative time lines.

BEN: Whoa.

GLENN: Yeah. So I don't know if she uses the flux capacitor to do that, I don't know how that works.

But I heard that, and at the top of my lungs, alone in the car today, how does anyone live here? How do you live here?

It's this weird thing that there is this little group of --

BEN: Yes. It's pretty alive intellectually. Right? Peter Thiel just moved down here, from San José. Jordan Peterson is out here a lot. Dave Rubin is out here. Dennis Prager is out here. The Claremont Institute is out here. There's a lot out here actually. And I think one of the reasons is, because when you're constantly balancing off the crazy of the other side, it is intellectually stimulating. I mean, you actually had to hear about that crazy regression thing, and now you can use it on the air. I mean, if you're back home now, you would be maybe talking about normal stuff on the radio.

GLENN: No, I wouldn't be talking about normal stuff, but I wouldn't be talking about Texas.

BEN: Right. Exactly. That's what I mean. If you're tuning into the radio on your way into the station, it wouldn't be talking about regression therapy.

GLENN: No.

BEN: The thing is that all of the crazy that's happening in LA, all the crazy that's happening in San Francisco, there are roots to that too. So we on the right tend to think of that as being just the latest craze, the latest fad. But there are some pretty pagan roots to all this. And I think what's really going on right now, is a battle between Judeo-Christian monotheism a reversion to a certain level of paganism. Because that's just witchcraft, right? I mean, regression therapy for alternative time lines, that's just witchcraft kind of stuff.

I'm not saying we should burden you or anything. But I am saying that --

GLENN: It is.

BEN: -- you guaranteeing me that you'll make my life better by talking about a life that I have never lived, is a form of you trying to guarantee a level of control in the universe to human beings. That human beings simply do not have over the universe. And that we can't exercise over the universe.

GLENN: I wrote a book. A novel, I don't know, eight years ago or so, called the Eye of Moloch. And it's Biblical in its nature.

Because if you look at -- if you look at how people were worshiping and -- and who Moloch is, he -- he wants you to have, you know, orgies. Crazy sex. Do whatever you want.

BEN: Yep.

GLENN: Destroy everything. And then sacrifice the baby of -- of that union. I mean, we're worshiping Moloch. We just don't know it.

BEN: I think that's right. It's under the guise of pantheism, which sounds a whole lot nicer. And it's also being concealed by the fact that we're still living -- your car runs out of gas, and you're running on the fumes. We're still living on the fumes of the Judeo-Christian value system.

So all the same people in Hollywood, who are promoting these sorts of values, same people who will use that regression technique, most of them are married. Most of them have kids. Most of them still have not been divorced. Right? The fact is, we see the high-profile divorces in Hollywood. But the truth is, most of the people who live in Hollywood are fairly normal human beings, or at least they live fairly normal lifestyles.

This is Charles Murray's point in Coming Apart, right? He says that upper-class white folks who live on the coast and are the, quote, unquote, thought leaders about single motherhood. They don't live those lifestyles. They're not single mothers. They're not living impoverished lifestyles. They're basically doing what everybody else does, with maybe the exception of going to church.

So they're living off the fumes of this Judeo-Christian history. But they're promoting this new lifestyle to a bunch of people, who are being suckered by it. Because they think, oh, this is what the successful people do.

What the successful people do is they're all members of sex cults. And out here in LA, that's really not what's going on. The face they put forward to the world is everyone is depraved because we're all experimenting and this is our thing.

But you the truth is that I find it a high point of amusement that all of the people who are so open about their promiscuity -- you know, the starlets who are so open about their promiscuity when they're 17, 18 years old. By the time they're 30, they're settling down, they're married. They have kids. Right?

They're living the same lifestyle as somebody living out in Oklahoma and Texas. They just won't tell you that. Right? The stuff that the media want to focus on, the stuff they want you to focus on is the sexy stuff. The stuff when they're 19. They're dancing naked with members of the same sex.

That's the -- by the time when they're 30 -- look at Miley Cyrus' new videos. And they basically look like Shania Twain videos. Right? All of a sudden, she's doing videos on the beach with her boyfriend. Looks like they're going to settle down. Looks like they're going to have kids. Because it turns out that the human drive for solidity and the human drive for some sort of value system is stronger even than the human drive for depravity or at least it is when you realize you're going to die at some point and depravity is going to catch up with you.

GLENN: Yeah, talk to me about Shania Twain. Your opinion on Shania Twain, a Canadian. Asked who she would have voted for. So she couldn't vote. What a ridiculous question to even ask her. She shouldn't have answered the question.

But the way she answered the question was, based on the values of the people who voted for him, which is her audience --

BEN: Right.

GLENN: -- I would say I would have probably voted for Donald Trump.

BEN: Right.

And now she's apologized in a long Twitter storm apology about, you know, I'm not a racist. I'm not a sexist. I don't believe in a lot of the same things that President Trump does. I was just trying to answer the question. But really I shouldn't have spoken out. Really?

First of all, this may be the most Canadian thing ever. Like, speaking out about an election that you couldn't take part, and then apologizing for a vote you could never cast. That's pretty Canadian.

GLENN: Michael Buble, I'm in New York -- and I walk into a hotel lobby. Michael is there. He sees me. He calls across the lobby. It's like 1 o'clock in the morning. He's like, Glenn! I turn around. I walk up. And he's like, I want you to know. I was just in a fist fight over you.

I said, what?

He said, I was at a hockey game someplace in Canada. And somebody said, I can't believe you're friends with Glenn Beck, and you go on the air with Glenn Beck.

And he's like, dude, he's a nice guy.

His politics?

We're Canadian. Why do you care about his politics?

And he said, he actually -- the guy threw a blow. They were throwing punches.

BEN: First of all, I want to see Michael Buble in a fight. I'll bet --

GLENN: I'll bet he's good.

BEN: Shockingly good. That's the only time he loosens the tie completely. Takes off the skinny tie, unbuttons that top button, just goes to work.

Yeah, I think that it is incredible. The level of intellectual bullying to which people are being subjected at this point. Where, you even say you voted for Trump or you say, hey, I support some of the things that Trump is doing.

The fact that so many people -- this goes to my generalized theory of the media. Everybody is seeing -- we live -- so to go back to scientific models, we live in a pre-Copernican era, as far as the media is concerned. They think that the world revolves around Donald Trump. Right? Donald Trump is the center of the universe, and everything revolves around Donald Trump.

This is a lie. The world revolves around the media. Right? The media has decided Donald Trump is the sun in this universe. But the sun and the universe are the media.

That's why Donald Trump is president right now. Is because the media cares so much about Donald Trump. So the fact that people are even asking Shania Twain about Donald Trump is because the media cares so much about Trump.

It's not Trump who is asking Shania Twain about Trump. It's the media asking Shania Twain about Trump, because Trump is the only thing that matters in the universe.

Because to the media, he is the only thing that matters in the universe.

GLENN: How long do you think the media has? Bill O'Reilly has said to me, the media is on its last legs.

BEN: You know, I think that they still have so much power, especially through the reinstitution of gatekeeping in the social media. That, I'm more skeptical than that.

I remember after 2004, after Bush won reelection, the line from the right was, well, the old media is dead. Right? We just defeated the old media. If the old media had its way, John Kerry would have been reelected.

That was 14 years ago. And they're still going, and they're still having a pretty major impact.

GLENN: So how do -- with the new gate keeping -- do you know who Edwin Black is?

BEN: Yeah, yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Had Edwin Black on last week. Fascinating. Need to talk to him about his theory of analytical ghettos.

STU: Algorithmic ghettos.

GLENN: Sorry. Algorithmic ghettos. And he said, we're all being -- we're all being put in a ghetto. And it's just an algorithm that's doing it this time. But the walls are being built.

How do businesses like The Daily Wire, TheBlaze, your voice, my voice, how do we stay on the other side of the wall?

BEN: So I think it's really a matter of, there will have to be new neutral platforms that are built. And I think people will find them.

So the fact that my podcast is so popular, is not because iTunes favors my podcast. Right? It's because people can go to a variety of different podcasting sources and seek it out, which is what they've done. Right? It was really more organic than anything else.

So I think people -- people still want to hear different perspectives. If they try to reinstall the gates, I think they'll find there are a lot of people that will want to tear those walls down again.

And it's going to take a while. It's going to take a while for that to happen. Because, again, it took Facebook ten years to build the sort of dominance. Fifteen years to build this sort of dominance. But I think they are fighting a losing battle. But it's going to take a little more time than I think people think it's going to take.

GLENN: Yeah. Ben Shapiro from The Daily Wire, and the Ben Shapiro Show. You can watch him online at The Daily Wire. You can also get his podcast at iTunes, wherever else you go to find your podcast. Ben, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Ben will be joining us, I believe today. You coming on the show today? For TV. We're going to spend an hour. Talk a little bit about Los Angeles and what's happening here. And the -- the different -- the thinking that you don't hear about in Los Angeles.

Nobody is paying attention to it. But there is something happening here. We'll talk a little bit more about that tonight on TheBlaze at 5 o'clock.

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STU: So, Glenn, you have the big special last night on the economy.

And I find it to be a really fascinating situation right now. Let me give you just a couple of stats that I see.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: The pending home sales, in the United States. Down 22.5 percent year over year. That's as low as the 2008 financial crisis. And almost as low as the covid collapse, which you might -- you might remember, we basically shut down the entire world, in March and April of 2020. It's that bad.

GLENN: Yeah. So nobody was really buying houses at that time, because you couldn't leave your house.

STU: You couldn't leave your house.

GLENN: So it's a little better than that.

STU: A little better than that.

GLENN: A little better than closing every business, every bank, every real estate office. All transactions stop. It's a little better than that.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: Liquidity positions in the US Treasury market. This is measured by Bloomberg. It is as bad as March 2020 basically. As bad as March 2020.

Then you have this situation, which I find to be fascinating. If you have -- if you want to pay $2,500 a month on your mortgage. Okay? $2,500 a month, with 20 percent down.

Typical sort of situation, you might be going to buy a new home. As of a year ago, you could afford a house that was $759,000. With that outcome, 20 percent down. $2,500 a month.

$759,000 a year ago.

Now it's $476,000 because of all the interest rate changes, all of the inflation, and all of that.

Now, at the same time, almost every currency in the globe is going through the basement floor, and the U.S. dollar is the only one that is showing any strength.

So how do you look at all of that? And come up with some grand unifying theory, as to what is going on?

GLENN: The central banks are destroying everything. They're destroying everything. They all got bailed out. You know, the -- and I don't -- I don't -- I'm not qualified. Nor, do I feel appropriately equipped to talk about liquidity in the bond market. That's something that can be saved for CNBC. It just means that those people, who are in the, you know, stock game, the liquidity is very low. Meaning, there's not a lot of access money slashing -- sloshing around. So if things go down, there's no money there, to be able to bail things out. That is the central bank. What they've been doing. They've been printing money. So there's still plenty of money. Okay?

So that means, that you're going to have to start printing money. That's what happened yesterday, in England.

The -- the union pensions, all went under. Okay?

Just -- it folded up. There's no way we can -- we can pay for any of these pensions. Folded up. And so the Bank of England, who just swore, we're not printing any more money. Inflation is already out of control.

They said, except for now. We're printing money. And they just started printing money, like there's no tomorrow.

So the bond market. The stock exchange over there, went up. Why?

Because the people who are playing the game, and getting the money, from the central bank, they're like, okay. Great.

They're printing money again. Plenty of money. I'll make some more money here. I'll put it back into the stock market, and I'll make money. And then I'll pull it out. This is a game that does not end.

You cannot get out of this. This is something I've been warning about since 2008. And they're not going to tell you. I'm going to -- I'm going to attach a name to something. Because I really respect this guy. And I would have never expected him to say something like this. But he really believes, and so I'm attaching a name. Because I think he's a good guy.

And it just shows, if the good guys are thinking like this, what are the nefarious ones thinking?

I was on Neil Cavuto 2007, and I laid the case out, that we were going to have a collapse. And -- and he pushed back, and pushed back. And I have no problem, if people disagree. In fact, I said, Neil, if you disagree, please, I want to know where I'm wrong. I want to be wrong on this. It just doesn't look like I'm wrong.

We finished, and Neil, who, again, I believe is truly a good guy.

He looked at me, and -- sorry, he didn't look at me. I got up from the table. I said, thank you, Neil. That was good. And he said, you're the most irresponsible broadcaster, I have ever met.

And I said -- and that was crushing to me, because I like Neil. And I said, what?

And I said, what do you -- what -- why -- what did I get wrong? Why didn't you say what I got wrong? Because I want to know.

And he said, no. You're not wrong. We just don't say those things. That causes panic. And panic causes things to get worse.

And I -- my -- my point of view was no. By not telling the American people, what is possibly coming, causes even more panic, when it comes.

The reason why I say this, and I've attached his name to it, for the first time, is because I respect Neil. I think he's a good guy. And there are honest people who have honest differences, on what to say and how to react.

But you have an administration now, and a media, that is doing nothing. They're doing nothing, but lying to you.

And everybody knows, this is a train wreck. So yesterday, the British pound, almost collapsed.

Why is the dollar going up?

Because the euro is going down. Because the British pound is going town. Everybody is on the verge of collapse.

America is the strongest place to put your money. Now, let me ask you this: You have to -- you have to put your product in a store. And you're responsible for everything that is sold, damaged, or lost. Where are you going to put your product? A CVS? In a part of town, that is just -- is getting ransacked every day?

You know, you're going to put it in downtown San Francisco, where people go in, and take the product, and just walk away with it. Are you going to put your money there?

Or are you going to put your money in a place, where it may not happen. But it is happening, but just not at that rate. Yet.

You, of course, put your product there, and stop putting your product in San Francisco. Correct? Doesn't that seem logical?

That's what's happening to the dollar. It's not that we're strong. It's just that, we're the last one to go.

And as I've had this argument with people, I've always explained it as the floatiest poop in the toilet bowl. Because maybe it will get people's attention. That all has to be flushed. Okay?

It is not going to last. It's not going to last. But people with lots of money. Institutions, you know, funds that are investing for other people. Where are you going to put your money? Where are you going to put it?

Tell me the country that is stable. Tell me the country that isn't on the verge of collapse. Tell me the country that didn't play the game of printing money, so they could spend more money.

Tell me the country!

You can't. There is no country. Did you see the video of China blowing up their ghost cities? Have you seen this?

They're taking the parts of the ghost cities, where they hadn't finished them. And I mean, 25 skyscrapers. Okay?

They looked finished. They're not finished on the inside. Twenty-five of them. Taking them all down at once. Boom. Blowing them up.

They're all coming down at once.

STU: It looks like the finale of Fight Club. Is what it looked like to me.

GLENN: It's crazy, isn't it?

STU: It's crazy.

GLENN: They're destroying them, because they can't let them sit there empty. So they blow them up and destroy. Because that never worked. What they were doing was printing money, that didn't have. To keep everybody employed. And build these ghost cities.

Now, what? Now, what?

So you have to start thinking, in a way that you've never had to think before.

And this is a global thing. People in England -- and I doubt they are. Because they don't have talk radio. They have the BBC.

And if you think I was on NPR, and would be allowed to have this conversation, you're fooling yourself. So try to get somebody on the BBC to say this. They won't.

You -- if you're in England, and I think that it's going to go well, it's not. And it has nothing to do with the new tax proposal.

The new tax proposal, lowered corporate rates, by one percent. 1 percent.

That's not going to cause an economic collapse. Okay?

That will actually spur things on. Not very much. Because it's only a 1 percent cut. It's no big deal. The other cuts, were already in the plans. They were already coming, were they not?

STU: Yeah. There's a tax cut for the average person, 20 percent. And 19 percent. The highest income bracket, went from 45 to 40. They say, the difference here is $5 billion. This is the -- the panicky thing. You know, the -- these estimates. $5 billion of tax revenue per year. Which, of course, is nothing compared to what they spent on covid. And is basically what they've already spent on Ukraine this year. Not us. But them.

GLENN: So don't send, what you were going to send to Ukraine.

STU: Or just stop spending the money on covid, which you should be doing anyway.

GLENN: Right. And you saved all that money. You've done it in a year. Save that money.

STU: It's a miracle.

GLENN: What's happening is the banks. The central banks have played the game. We are now coming to the end of that game. So now, what do you do?

I'm not going to talk at all about stocks or bonds, or any of that crap, that you'll find on CNBC.

They know more than I do, I'm sure. But let me tell you, for anybody who is not a big investor, what do you do?

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GLENN: Jeez. All right. So what do you do? What do you do?

I don't know what people are going need to. I just know people are going to be in need. So if we want to be a blessing to others, and yourself. The best thing you can own is food. Water. Natural gas, or, you know, propane.

Anything that are essentials. Toothpaste. Toilet paper. We are going to see real shortages. And that is going to be coupled with a stagflation kind of market, where people are losing their jobs. We're not growing at all.

And -- and people don't know what to do. You have to think like a German Jew of the 1930s. You have to start thinking that way.

You have to start thinking -- just like a German in hyperinflation. If you read any of the diaries of these people that lived back then, they said no one knew what hyperinflation even meant a week ago. Now it's all that people can talk about.
You have a chance, as we outlined on the special last night. There is a chance, we turn into Venezuela.

And that happens overnight. That is not something -- how does somebody go broke? How does somebody go abrupt? Over a long period of time, and then all at once.

You made decisions all along, and you push it off, push it off. Push it off. Then the straw that breaks the camel's back, it breaks. And you are out.

That's the way it will happen here. Hopefully, it doesn't happen. And I can't tell you for sure, what to invest in.

What to put your money in. I know food will never go out of style.

But will food be called hoarding, well, it was in Germany.

Art. Art. But how long does it take -- because there are going to be people that survive. See, they are just waiting you out.

The people at the top, are waiting you out. When you crumble, and you can't afford it, then they'll scoop in, and buy it at a wholesale price.

So what do you have? What do you have? Gold, silver. We're going to talk about cryptocurrencies? Just a second, with a guy who is going to be the head of the -- or one of the heads of the House financial committee.

When we come back here in about ten minutes.

He's going to talk to us about cryptocurrency and what all of that means. And what the government is doing. Right now, what are they doing?

They're collapsing cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency, I bet you, if it was completely unleashed right now. If there weren't any governments saying, well, we're not going to -- cryptocurrency will probably be at $100,000 for bitcoin right now. You have to have food, water, land, a home, but not the stuff that you're so far in debt.

If you have high interest credit cards, anything that is high interest, or variable, get rid of it right now. It's better to have, you know, five or 7 percent loan on your house. Than a variable loan.

Because the interest rate could become crippling.

Now, what most likely is going to happen, is they're going to just start raising the rate. And raising the rate. And raising the rate. Until, everything falls apart. And then they're going to slash the rate. And at the time they slash the rate. Before inflation is fixed, that is your moment of we've given up. Escalation of inflation is our destiny. You'll start seeing them go to cryptocurrency and everything else. When America is it that, that's when the world really freaks out, and the game completely changes.

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3 ways Dems used Hurricane Ian DESTRUCTION for political gain

If there’s one thing today’s far-left are good at, it’s using human tragedy for political opportunity. And even before Hurricane Ian made landfall, that’s actually what some Democrats decided to do. From Biden urging Floridians to get vaccinated, to the mainstream media’s onslaught against Governor DeSantis, and potential plans to politicize FEMA, Glenn shows how political gain seems to be the left’s current strategy as this massive storm hits our Gulf Coast…

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GLENN: So Stu, how excited are you? Wow. Where do we even begin today?

Well, let's start with Joe Biden. Here's the advice for anybody in Florida. Really important advice yesterday, from Joe Biden.

BIDEN: Let me be clear. If you're in a state where hurricanes often strike, like Florida or the Gulf Coast or into Texas. A vital part of preparing for hurricane season, is to get vaccinated.

GLENN: Ah, yes. Yes. Yeah. Much more complicated.

BIDEN: A natural disaster hits.

STU: This is great news. We have a hurricane vaccine? I didn't even hear about that.

GLENN: Yeah. You just have to vote Democrat. That's it, you vote for a Democrat, and no hurricanes.

STU: That's it! Wow.

GLENN: So he's right there on the front lines for you, America. And, Florida, he's there for you. We got to make sure that they get vaccines, because it will be very complicated, you know, when we're pulling you in from, you know, the water or off the roof of your house. I mean, we'll send a helicopter. But have you been vaccinated?

STU: Have you ever had a vaccine underwater?

It's really difficult to administer.

GLENN: It's very difficult. Very difficult. That's why you should have had it. You red staters. That's why you should have had it. By the way, so far, the president hasn't cauldron DeSantis at all. Can you give us cut seven, please. Here's a FEMA official, saying. Wait a minute. Why haven't you called yet?

VOICE: Can you articulate how those determinations are made. And why -- and why it hasn't been made in this case, to have the president call the governor.

VOICE: Yeah. The president is very focused on making sure that the federal family has the right resources available to support this.

GLENN: Have you been vaccinated?

VOICE: We have a team of my senior leadership that are embedded with the governor to make sure that we're supporting that. Our focus today is making sure that we have the right measures in place to support the life-saving activities that need to happen. Any conversations afterwards, need to be -- see what the damage is done.

GLENN: Yeah.

VOICE: But he's made conversations with the mayors. So is there any reason why not the governor?

VOICE: Again, we have a strong team that's in place, supporting the governor right now, working side by side with him and his staff. How are you working side by side, you haven't called him!

STU: I think they did eventually call him.

GLENN: Good. Good. Well, that's usually very low. I know when the fires and everything were happening. And that evil George Bush, who hates California.

He's like, whatever California needs, we're not going to supply it. In fact, I'm not even going to call and find out.

You know, I wish there was just one person we could call. Do you remember George Bush. It didn't matter what state. Even in Hurricane Katrina. He called and said, please, evacuate the city.

The Democratic leadership said, no. He didn't get vindictive about it. He was immediately there. And he even took the blame for all of it. Even though, he didn't deserve it. Same with the wildfires.

Where is Joe Biden? Have you been vaccinated?

All right. One other thing I want to bring to your attention. First of all, let me say this, and then we'll wrap that section up of Rick DeSantis. Ron DeSantis.

STU: Ron DeSantis.

GLENN: What you have to watch for here, is the media smearing Ron DeSantis. They're going to do everything they can, to make him look incompetent. They'll do everything they can, to make Florida look like a hellhole, that's just out of control. Guarantee it. Guarantee.

STU: Yeah. I mean, number one is obviously the concern about what's going on with the human life, and all the effects of the hurricane. But like, when you look at it from a national perspective. What we'll have here is a story over in the next few months. And actually in this case, the next few weeks. Is there are tons of people, starting with his opponent in the gubernatorial race. But also spreading to every government operative across the country. And every media operative across the country, who see Ron DeSantis as a real threat to Democratic power and have an opportunity here, whether true or not, to try to take him out, not in the 2024 election, but right now in the next few weeks. This is an election that is seven or eight points. Maybe five points in Florida. With DeSantis leading.

You know, if this goes poorly, and they can convince the American people. The people in the middle. Not the hard-core leftists. The people in the middle, who think that maybe Ron DeSantis does a terrible job managing this somehow. If they can convince him of this, they can take him out before this gubernatorial race, and then he's not a factor at all in 2024.

They see this as Democrats so often do. Human tragedy, they see as an opportunity.

GLENN: Well, I want to get into that here in a second. But, first, here's your opportunity to serve. Mercury One working with its partners. We are mobilizing on the ground with food, electrical support, communication support, and cleanup support.

We will be in first and out last. We need your help. Just go to mercuryone.org. And donate to our Disaster Relief Fund. We have many donors in Florida. Mercury One is there to help.

So please, if you can, donate now to mercuryone.org. And we will keep you up-to-date on the latest. And what we're doing. We're just waiting for it to come ashore. And then we'll spring into action. All right. The next thing I want you to know about is FEMA.

We found a paper. This is, oh, I don't know. Several years ago, this paper was written. He's a climate activist. And it proposes that FEMA could be weaponized to, into being reactionary to natural causes. It would be proactive. And it would operate as some sort of a green new deal enforcer. Well, we found this paper, and it says, quote, if the moment is seized, the current crisis and any renewed attention, it may bring to emergency management, can be an opportunity to recast it, as more vital and strategic component, of the future political landscape.

The paper laments that FEMA's previous restrictions when it comes to liberty, and their reluctance, to, quote, propose limitations on private property, end quote.

Really?

We were done with the talk of FEMA camps and Black Hawk helicopters.

No. You're not done with that. Let me put it back in here. For just a second.

This is The Great Reset. Now, have there been any changes at FEMA?

Well, yes. If you go to the FEMA dot-gov website, you'll see integrating sustainability into recovery. Now, it was updated July 22nd, 2020. So this is being set into motion at FEMA in the final months of the Trump administration.

But remember, there's no such thing as a Deep State. We have one of their guides, that is actually linked back to the Department of Energy, going green from the ground up. And the first section says it all: Quote, out of crisis, opportunity. And they're talking about FEMA going in, when there's been a horrible, horrible crisis. And the first question is: Why go green from the ground up?

Because we have the opportunity. And FEMA can lead the way. Saul Alinsky would be very proud. Identify a crisis. And if none exist, create one. And then rebuild society the way you want. Now, keep in mind, this is not from congressional committees. This is from a group of unelected Deep Staters. FEMA and the Department of Energy. As you scroll through the FEMA website, it looks pretty familiar, to stuff we've already seen someplace else.

In fact, it's a damn near carbon copy of the united nation's agenda 2030. The agenda for sustainable development. And their 17 sustainable goals are another carbon copy of what the Davos crew are saying in the World Economic Forum, and the great reset.

It's all the same. What they're significant is, if you actually like or need your high carbon footprint job. If you work in the oil and gas industry. Car industry. Coal industry. 95 percent of blue-collar worker, literally anything they don't like, it's too bad.

And the rebuilding of any city is going to come at a higher cost. Because they're just making it sustainable for the future.

To the new U.S. government bureaucratic great reset, liberty is a liability. As that FEMA academic paper stated. Private property is a limitation.

We'll keep our eye on FEMA, and hopefully they're bringing clean water, and then going home.

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The Nord Stream pipeline SABOTAGE puts us ALL AT RISK

Was the Nord Stream explosion sabotage? And who was behind the attack? Was it Russia? Ukraine? Or Germany? No matter who was behind the move, Glenn explains, it puts us ALL at risk. Because destroying civilian infrastructure now is 'on the table' for Vladimir Putin, and this may give him enough reason to 'take his gloves off.' The stakes here are real, Glenn says: 'Water, electricity, oil, pipelines...ALL of our infrastructure is at risk.'

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GLENN: Okay. So I -- I am not sure, because of the hurricane, I can't get a -- a good grip on how America is feeling about this Nord Stream bombing. But that's what it was. We know that this was sabotage.

There's no natural explanation for it. And it would have somebody diving about 200 -- 220. 230 feet, below the surface. That is not something that your average diver can do. And this is encased in concrete.

So this is blowing up the concrete and getting to the pipeline, to blow that up. This is -- I mean, it's not -- you know, it's not going to the moon. But it is, you know, rather difficult to do.

So who did it? This is an explanation that it is so important for you to understand. This is now a non-military key infrastructure, that has been destroyed.

If Russia thinks we did it, they've already said, nukes are now on the table. That gives us a green light to use nukes. Forget about nukes for a second. Because if that happens, we all have 18 minutes. I'm going to the bar. I'm going out with a drink in my hand. But you've got 18 minutes. Family, meet me at the bar.

My wife would probably already be there. I've been there for months. Living with you.

Anyway, so forget about nukes for just a second. And let's talk about, what other things can Russia do.

This is non-military key infrastructure. Outside of the borders of Ukraine.

To date, as far as we know, combat targets were either in Ukraine, or were military targets, hit inside of Russia by Ukrainian Air Force or Special Forces. But the target menu, now includes key civilian infrastructure: Electricity, water utilities, energy production.

That makes Russia more dangerous than ever. And that would be true, no matter who carried out the attack.

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MIDTERM UPDATE: What Republicans must do to WIN BACK the Senate

The midterms are just one month away, and the stakes for our republic have never been higher. If Democrats keep their current control of both the House of Representatives AND the Senate, America may never been the same. In this clip, Glenn and Stu run through the latest numbers: The races currently leaning left, those leaning right, and the ones that are becoming closer each day. These are the races Republicans MUST win if they want to take back control…

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GLENN: Average income lost under Joe Biden is $4,200. Gas prices have risen now, this is the sixth day in a row. And numbers are falling for the Democrats. But is it showing up at the polls yet?


STU: Yeah. Yeah. I think -- I just some of the early Democratic momentum pitch, that we have heard has started to fade quite a bit. We went through this on Stu Does America on Friday. We did our first sort of chalkboard magnet. All the states break down the Senate look. So give you a quick picture of this. The lay of the land, before any elections even start is 36 Democrats and 29 Republicans. That's because all the seats aren't up for election. So they start with a nice lead here already. In the likely category, probably not going to change. There's at least eight races there for the Democrats. There are 13 races on the Republican side, that are likely not really going to be all that close or competitive. Which brings you to 44-42. Some leaner races: Leaning Democrat right now, we have Colorado and Washington, which are two states that are -- the polling is favoring Democrats by a decent amount. You know, Republicans really like their candidate in Washington, for example. So there's some reason to watch those races. Though, they're favoring Democrats. Also, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania, we have in the leaning Democrat. Now, Pennsylvania as we've covered is completely insane.

If that's the way they go, they have a man who can't speak, as their candidate. But still polling showing them five points or more up in most of these polls.

New Hampshire just finished the primary. Right now, Maggie Hassan seems to have about an eight-point lead in that race.

Though, that one I can see tightening. It's been tighter in races before the primary, so we'll see how that goes.

Leaning Republican, five races there. A couple of just sort of weird races there. Which is Alaska. Alaska has the situation with the rank choice voting, going on. But it's really Republican versus Republican there. But then again, one of the Republicans is Lisa Murkowski. So do you count that? I don't even know.

GLENN: Yeah, Democrat.

STU: Right.

GLENN: But how is she performing in the polls?

Because the others dropped out, to kind of coalesce around Murkowski's --

STU: I believe Murkowski gets beaten when it actually occurs.

The fact that this woman ran a write-in campaign from the Senate and won. She won, a write-in campaign for the Senate.

The name goes a long way in Alaska. Murkowski. It's almost all Democrats voting for her.
I mean, that has really become the Democrats and moderates sort of going that way, where Republicans are going towards the Trump-favored candidate there in Alaska. So you'll get a Republican out of Alaska and for the Senate. It just depends on if it's Murkowski or not. I mean, she's one of the weakest Republicans you can find. Another weird one, we've talked about a lot, is Utah, with Mike Lee. He's running in a race against an independent. There have been some close polls in this race.

GLENN: I don't believe it.

STU: I don't believe it. I still this is a strong Republican scene. I think Lee will win there. It's closer than I think Mike wants.

GLENN: Mike always -- even when he's not running for reelection. He's like, you know, I have to listen to the people, because the people they can throw me out of office at any time.

STU: Yeah. Sure.

GLENN: And I think there's a part of Mike that, you know, wouldn't mind it, if it's okay, it's over. Go make money. Go do something with your life.

STU: That's got to be the feeling of a lot of people.

GLENN: Yeah, I think so. But he takes it seriously.

STU: Oh, yeah, and look, he should. This is a new tactic from the Democrats. This is what they're rewarding in Utah, if you vote for Evan McMullin.

It's a new tactic. Instead of just running a Democrat, they run a guy who says he isn't a Democrat, but just will vote like the Democrats every time. You can have that if you want. Normally that's done under the D banner. It's now done under the I banner.

GLENN: And they didn't run.

STU: The Democrats dropped out of the race completely, and just are letting everyone vote for --

GLENN: It's crazy. It's crazy. And you will see this in every election, if it works this time.

STU: Yes. Especially in deep red states. They will try to knock off Republicans, by running fake independents in this case.

Missouri is out there as well. Eric Schmidt has a pretty solid size of a lead, he should win there.

Florida is closer than I think it should be with Marco Rubio.

You know, oddly, he's -- most of the polls only have him up four or five points.

GLENN: You're kidding me!

STU: Yeah. And this isn't a race where obviously DeSantis is likely going to win handily. Val Demings is the candidate in Florida, going against Rubio, who was mentioned as a VP candidate for Biden. Somebody thought highly of her, on the Democratic side.

GLENN: She has brain damage?

STU: No, I don't know.

GLENN: She'll never have a leadership role.

STU: And Ohio, we talked to JD Vance last week. He's opened up a lead in most of the polling there. I think he'll win that race. But still too close to say it's a likely race by any means. So it's five. So, basically, what you have there is 48 Democrats. Forty-seven Republicans. If you include the lienors. And five toss ups for the Republicans to take advantage control of the Senate, they would need to win four of these five races. Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Georgia. Their best hope right now, probably North Carolina, where they are relatively consistent, but small lead there.

Nevada seems to be pretty much toss-up. Though Adam Laxalt seems to be moving ahead slightly there. Ron Johnson has had good polls in Wisconsin, lately.

It looks like he might be a slight favorite there. Arizona has narrowed, though still favors the Democrats.

Although, it's hard for me to understand the polling there. You see polling where Blake Masters is down by seven or eight points. And Kari Lake, who is supposed to be the most extreme, crazy person in the world, which she's not. We've had her on the air. She's running for governor. With the same voters, and they're saying, she's only down by one. So it's hard for me to understand how Masters would be down eight, and Lake would be down only one.

GLENN: Name recognition.

STU: And she might be. She might just be a really good candidate, and Herschel Walker in Georgia well. The polling has bounced back and forth. Both very close. Really a pure toss-up race at this point.

GLENN: Oh, jeez. For the love of Pete, get everyone you know. Dig up your father, your mother. Bring them out. I mean, let them air out a little bit.

STU: Democrats do it all the time.

GLENN: Yeah. What's the problem with that? Make sure that everyone goes out and votes.