Collusion finally has been confirmed! Except, it's not between President Trump (or any of his staff) and Russia. Instead, new evidence PROVES the vast majority of the Obama administration was colluding with America's intelligence community (FBI, CIA) to ILLEGALLY begin an investigation into General Michael Flynn. And the goal for that investigation had nothing to do with the truth but everything to do with prosecuting an American citizen who only had one guilty sin: working with Donald Trump. Thanks, Obama, for taking this great nation one GIANT step further away from constitutional democracy.
It's not enough to stop big banks and financial institutions from forcing businesses to abide by ESG rules. We also must protect the average consumer. Glenn speaks with Justin Haskins, the co-author of his new book, "Dark Future," about how banks have started secretly denying loans to people on the basis of ESG. Glenn and Justin are also joined by Florida State Representative Bob Rommel, who has been leading the charge to protect consumers in Florida from the ESG "cartel": "To me, it's just another form of discrimination."
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GLENN: Justin Haskins is with us now. He is the coauthor of The Great Reset. And Dark Future.
Both of my New York Times best-selling books. And also research center, director for the heartland institute.
Socialism Research Center. How you are?
JUSTIN: Good morning, Glenn! I'm doing great. I'm in Stu's chair. We threw Stu out of the studio. He's terrible. I'm in the chair. And I have to tell you, this feels good, this feels right.
GLENN: Does it? Don't get too comfy.
You also brought with you Bob Rommel. Bob is the Florida state representative who has been fighting against ESG in Florida. And Florida has the model. Do you think?
JUSTIN: Oh, yes. Yes.
As you know, back when we put the Great Reset book together, and we realized that ESG was the key to the entire Great Reset puzzle. And you and I thought, this is pretty depressing. Because no one was going to do anything about it.
But we were convinced, no one was going to do anything about it.
Then the book came out.
And the states across the country, started enacting various ways of fighting back against ESG. But in many of those cases, we've had 14 different states.
That have put some kind of an anti-ESG legislation together.
Most of them are focused on making sure that government pensions and government contracts are not being used to promote ESG causes. That's really good.
GLENN: Sure. It's a start.
JUSTIN: That's really great. It's a start.
But if you really want to protect people, you have to protect consumers. You have to protect the individual.
And the only place where they have actually enacted a law that does this. That protects financial individuals from financial institutions, promoting ESGs in the state of Florida.
And Bob Rommel is here with us today in the studio.
He is the champion of that cause. He's the guy who led the charge in the House. And he is a personal hero. He really is. He's a personal hero. So thank you for being here, Bob.
GLENN: Bob, thank you so much for standing up for this.
I don't know why more states won't protect the consumer.
They will protect all the big guys. But it's the consumers. The little person, when they go to try to get a loan.
You know, the farmer that tries to go get a loan, and he's rejected because he's not doing everything he's supposed to do, ESG-wise.
And that consumer will never be told, it was because of ESG. So they can't sue them. They can't do anything about it.
BOB: Well, Glenn, thank you. And Justin, thank you for those kind words. I don't know if anybody called me a champion. But thank you. As an ex-banker, I know that if you control the capital, you make all the rules. And you do everything.
I sort of look at ESG. Some of the ESG rules. And some people that are telling me about it, two years ago. And then the incoming speaker, I told him about, we have to do something about this in Florida. We need to protect our citizens.
To me, it's just another form of discrimination.
GLENN: It is.
BOB: And as an ex-banker, when we did more mortgages for folks. You know, we couldn't discriminate based on race, color, creed, political belief. They got mortgages based on their ability to pay and their income.
GLENN: That's the way it should be.
BOB: That's the way it should be. That's how our country was built.
GLENN: And you always -- when the government messes with our banks.
And tell them, that you have to consider other things, it creates a system that is false. And it -- it creates the bubble that we had in '08. That was the United States government. Telling banks, you have to make more loans in these ways. Which the people couldn't afford, but the government was demanding the banks do it.
And luckily, that we had in Florida. We had a speaker, and we had a governor that wanted to do something.
Because the pushback was huge. And it was pushback on multiple sides. So Democrats -- and I believe it was a Democrat who came you up with ESG. They're great with coming up with these new words and this new terminology.
So the first thing is environment.
You know, environment. So, listen, everyone wants clean water, clean air. So they said, we have to do this. To save the environment, because if not, we're all going to die.
I don't know if anybody is listening. But we're all going to die.
GLENN: We will all die. It's just slower.
BOB: So then the social governance.
And what is social governance.
And you can look at a couple of the greatest American icon companies in the world.
That social governance has destroyed the value of their companies.
BOB: Disney and Anheuser-Busch.
GLENN: Coca-Cola is really bad too.
GLENN: Yeah. So me, as a businessperson. Whenever I hire somebody, I hire the best, the brightest, and the people who actually showed up to work.
And I never looked up at their race, or political beliefs.
I wanted to hire the best. And that's how our country was built. Our country was built on access to capital, and people like Thomas Edison. I know you have an issue with Thomas Edison.
GLENN: Thank you for noting that.
BOB: I know you do. We can debate whether that was the best technology or not.
But we need to make sure that the next inventors have access to capital. So whatever the next great invention, that will help civilization is available.
And when I saw what was happening, a friend of mine has a multi-national company, based on their worksheet that they have to fill out, to get capital.
And it had nothing to do with his business or the ability to pay. It was based on, how many transgender people do you have working here?
How much carbon footprint do you have?
What are you using to mitigate your carbon footprint?
And I said, there's something wrong here. And, you know what, in the end, it will hurt civilization. In Florida, we wanted to make sure we did something to protect our citizens.
GLENN: Okay. So now, does this actually -- if I'm a citizen and I go to a bank, and I feel like they've judged me on ESG. Does this cover me as a citizen of Florida?
JUSTIN: Yeah. So there's no doubt that the law. And they're going to challenge it.
We highly suspect banks are going to fight this. Because they want to be able to discriminate against people. That's what banks want the ability to do. And they're being pushed by the left and big asset managers.
But, yes. That's what the law is designed to do.
The law is designed to make sure that you are being discriminated against. That you have an ability to file a complaint with the government. So that the government makes sure that that doesn't happen.
Now, one of the problems that we have, and Rommel is trying to address this going forward, is how do we even know that that's going on?
How do we know that the bank -- because the bank may not just tell you. The bank might just deny you the loan and never tell you why.
And so we need to figure out a way to make sure that people know why they're being denied access to bank accounts and things like that.
So you want to talk a little bit about that plan that you have?
JUSTIN: Sure. We know we did. And we knew it would get challenged. And we had tremendous amount of pushback. And pushback from people I didn't even understand why they were pushing back.
As a matter of fact, one of the second in charge of BlackRock came to visit me.
The Commerce Chair in Florida. Which was kind of cool.
You know, he read my background. He says, you seem more like a Libertarian, you're a free market guy. Why are you interfering with business?
And I said, it sounds like you're interfering. And we actually had a great conversation.
And he was talking about, this is just free market business. And I said, well, let's talk about ESG.
I said, did you fly down here to visit me on a private plane?
And he said, yeah. As a matter fact -- I said, did you pick the most diverse pilot, or did you take the best pilot?
He goes, that doesn't matter.
I said, no, it does matter. I go, if you truly believe in this stuff, you'll make the most diverse pilot and, God forbid, you ever get sick, you will get the most diverse surgeon.
But it's not. This is about you controlling the markets. Controlling capital. Controlling people. Making people have fewer decisions. And maybe buying some bad technology.
And, you know, they kept pushing and pushing.
The banks came back to me. And said, oh, you're interfering with us.
But, you know what --
GLENN: It's so bad.
This banking. It's a cartel, that they have going against -- you know, against our representatives. And our legislatures in America.
This cartel comes in so heavy-handed with loads of money and credibility.
And tries to stop people like you.
GLENN: You know, and we had to be careful the way we crafted the bill. Because if you use ESG as a form of scoring.
You won't be able to issue Florida bonds. You won't have access to qualified public deposits.
Our pension funds.
We also had to make sure, if everybody did it. We were able to write checks in the state of Florida.
There was a balance there. And we had to make sure we -- there was other access. And there is. There's not quite enough for $300 million in local community banks. I think we're in a good place there.
But over the summer, one of our local businesses in Florida, Dr. Mercola who owns a very big supermarket, but he also own owns a multi-national natural health vitamin company.
And over the summer, I get a call from one of his representatives. He goes, Rep Rommel, can you help us? And I go, I'll try. What's up?
And he said, well, all of the managers and multiple employees from the Mercola Markets have been debanked. Their bank, which was JPMorgan Chase, gave them letters that said, find new banks, we will not bank with you anymore. So I talked to a JPMorgan --
GLENN: Hang on just a second. How rare -- because I've never heard of being debanked before, unless you were like Al Capone.
I've never heard of that.
How rare did that used to be?
BOB: I would think never, because banks wanted you to keep your money. And your interest rate. Late fees and things like that, to earn income. So we looked into it, a little bit, and I talked to their rep.
And they said, well, Bob, we could be doing money laundering or some suspicious activity.
And by the law, we're obligated to debank them. I go, this entire workforce?
And they couldn't tell me. Because I'm not authorized to hear this information. And the state of Florida, if you're running arms or fentanyl, we don't want you banking either. We also believe in due process in the state of Florida. I don't trust you as the bank. And I don't trust you as some federal agency. To say, this person needs to be debanked.
Because I remember Operation Chokehold. When they told, payday loans and arms dealers, I think that was Obama area. Obama 2013. Operation Choke Point.
That you can't do any banking business. So I don't trust the federal government agencies, and I don't trust the banks that are colluding with ESG with our federal agencies to debank them.
So what I will try to do this year, assuming it's passed. That if you're a bank, and you debank one of our Florida citizens, a business or an individual.
First off, you will have to tell Florida.
You will have to tell the division of financial services, hey, I debanked Dr. Mercola, and this is why I did it.
Then we as a state, keep it in private, will investigate.
If we felt you did it in bad faith, well, we will find you, and you won't do business in Florida. Then the individual that was harmed, we will allow them to have a private right of action against that bank.
GLENN: Excellent. Excellent. That's fair. That's fair.
JUSTIN: This is amazing.
GLENN: By the way, this -- what is it? Fair Access is what it is.
JUSTIN: Yes, fair Access is the shorthand.
GLENN: Shorthand is Fair Access. There are many states now that have passed anti-ESG laws. But it is Fair Access, that gives the power to the individual, to be able to get the information, and to sue. If it is -- if it's wrong information. Or based on ESG.
And you guys have led the way.
In a runoff presidential election, Argentina has ditched socialism for anarcho-capitalist libertarian Javier Milei — and Glenn is shocked. While the media has done everything it can to negatively tie Milei to Donald Trump, Glenn explains why he doesn't believe they're that comparable. Glenn breaks down what Milei has promised to do, how big of a change that would be for Argentina and the world, and whether he can even get it done. Plus, Glenn explains the biggest takeaway from this election: "[Voters are] moving away — HARD — from the Left."
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GLENN: So Argentina had their runoff election. And the news is stunning. Javier Milei, is that how you say his name? He was elected as Argentina's next president. He is a Libertarian. He is -- the exact opposite of really anything. Any kind of politician, that we have seen here, that is even close, to being president of the United States.
Even Donald Trump. Donald Trump still plays within, hmm. Some of the norms.
He is often compared. This guy, in Argentina, is often compared to Donald Trump.
But I don't think they're comparable.
STU: I think just because he's outspoken. That seems to be the largest similarity there.
Right? He's super outspoken.
But he described himself as an anarchocapitalist, which is not how Donald Trump would describe himself at all.
GLENN: No. Not at all.
He is going to get rid of -- this is what he says he is going to do.
Get rid of the peso. Because it's falling.
And he will put the dollar -- good luck with that one.
He's also getting rid of their Federal Reserve Bank.
He's getting rid of hundreds of programs. He is just going to cut this government to the bone.
STU: You have seen the video of him, walking in front of the white board?
He's just pulling off the stickers of all the agencies.
The Department of Families. And Health, gone!
Like every single one. He's pulling off, and throwing it away. Now, look, is he going to do those things?
I hope so. Probably a lot of those agencies are incredibly pointless. Just like they are here.
Now, not knowing the full story of the structure of the Argentinian government.
I'm going a little bit on -- I'm -- guesswork there.
GLENN: I will --
STU: Every government is like that. Especially in South America.
GLENN: I will bet you, that Art Laffer would like this guy. We should call Art Laffer. Because he knows Argentina really well. He did this back in the '80s. Argentina always, you know, succeeds, becomes wealthy, and then goes to socialism, and destroys itself.
GLENN: And then goes back to its roots. And then it destroys itself.
So he did that in the '80s. He restored it in the 1980s. They're back.
STU: Look, the promise is high here. I just -- I do hesitate. There's a lot of ifs that could happen here. Right? I don't know everything about this guy.
Who knows what policy he actually implements, when he's in office? What crazy thing we don't know about him.
At some level, he's still a South American politician.
I will hold out hope. The things he said are really good, really positive.
If he actually does them. If they work, it could be an incredible thing.
You know, it might inspire countries all in the region. And all over the world, to replicate that process. So there's really high hopes for someone who will come out and do this stuff.
GLENN: You know what is interesting.
How cautious people are, on saying, I like this guy.
I don't know. I don't know enough about him. I like what he says so far about of what I've heard.
STU: What I've heard is --
GLENN: But I don't know. Same thing with Geert Wilders. Geert Wilders could become the next Prime Minister, the next Dutch Prime Minister.
Now, he just won a massive election. He didn't win enough seats to become Prime Minister. But if he cobbles together a few more seats, he may become prime minister. This is a guy who has been on this show. And we were told by everybody, don't have him.
STU: He's too bad. He's dangerous. He's said bad things.
GLENN: We thought he was delightful, at least in the interview. He was wonderful.
STU: Seemed fine in the interview.
GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.
So -- but we always have to say, well, but I'm not sure.
But do you ever hear anybody backpedaling on Justin Trudeau?
STU: No. No. They never do.
GLENN: I mean, the things that that guy has done.
And nobody ever says, well, I don't agree with everything.
GLENN: He's not a bad. It's not a bad thing.
STU: I don't know. I hold myself to a higher standard, than the left holds themselves.
GLENN: Yes, so do I.
STU: So I hope we would have higher standards than them.
GLENN: Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.
GLENN: I just -- I do have a problem with, it doesn't matter what you do.
GLENN: On the left.
STU: No. It doesn't matter.
GLENN: You turn into a Castro or a Stalin. It doesn't matter.
STU: Apparently, you can kidnap and murder thousands of people. And you will still get cheered on by these people on the left.
STU: And, you know, the situation is, you know, with -- I don't know.
As a conservative, like, we talk about principle a lot.
I do think it's important. And I much -- I'm happy to criticize someone who supposedly is on the right, if they're wrong.
STU: I just don't want to stand by them, just because they -- they align themselves with my general political outlook. But is that not how the left operates. And, you know, you could make the argument, that politically, in a pragmatic, political sense, where the ends justify the means, that's the right approach.
I just -- that's not how I look at the world.
I don't think that's how you look at the world. And I don't think that's how most conservatives look at the world. Maybe to our detriment, when it comes to winning or losing sometimes.
But that's okay.
GLENN: So there's two people now, that the press says, out of control. These guys are worse than Hitler.
Guy in Argentina and Geert Wilders, they may end up being that. I don't think so, but they might. I don't know. It's not my country. So I don't follow them as closely. However, I might be for them. I hate to say that. Because I don't know enough about them. But what I see, I like. However, they might go bad.
GLENN: But here's what you should take away from all of this movement, politically. Because it's happening in Europe, and it's happening in South America. It is moving away, hard from the left.
And going right, in the case of Argentina, small government right.
I mean, very small.
And everybody is losing their minds. A Libertarian government is not powerful enough, to make you do anything.
That's the good thing about small government.
It can never really harm you.
It's not spying on you.
Because it's not big enough.
These guys, if they work, this is going to be a huge move, for the world. Back to more freedom.
And common sense.
Geert Wilders is one.
You know, why?
Because of immigration. The Dutch are tired of having people just rape their daughters.
Kill on the street. And no ramification.
You don't have to -- the -- you know, when you go over to Sweden. I go spend any time in the Norwegian countries.
You will see how accepting they are.
How loving they are.
But it is a very, very non-diverse population.
And now, the non-diverse population, coming up from the Middle East, doesn't want to be Swedish.
They don't want to be Dutch. They don't care. They want the free stuff. But they'll have their own no-go zones.
They will have their own communities.
And it's not a part of that culture.
Everybody has turned a blind eye. You're now seeing the immigration be a problem all through Europe. You're going to see it as a problem here in America. Soon. I mean, I can't believe how much has changed in -- on our border.
And relatively nobody is talking about it.
That's one of the biggest changes in my lifetime. And nobody is really talking about it. When that poses a problem.
When we start to have terror attacks, or whatever, we start to collapse our economy.
Because we're -- we're overrun with this -- in this lifeboat called America.
There are too many people trying to get in the boat. Then you really have problems.
So I'm -- I'm glad to see that before things catch completely on fire over in Europe. And in South America. There's a couple of places that may turn things around.
STU: Yeah. And I think too, this idea that maybe turning -- just leaning -- err on the side of liberty.
That's what's encouraging about the guy in Argentina, Milei for me.
Is that, look, we all knew that Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of the Department of Education. He wasn't able to do it.
GLENN: And the Fed.
STU: Will this guy be able to get rid of all these agencies he pulled off as stickers off the white board? It's going to be really hard. I will assume there are a million different people that are inside the government, and have been inside the government structure forever.
That will do everything they can to stop him at every turn. But just the fact that he's attempting to do these things. And pushing in that general direction. It's hard to see how they could make the country worse.
You know, at the very least, they will take less of your money.
GLENN: I will tell you this, it is like never before, you are going to be assassinated, politically.
Your reputation. Your life, everything. Will be assassinated by the press. And by the left.
And if you get these people in, who are serious about taking apart the fed.
And some of these things that are absolute institutions, that are deep.
You start having a president take on the intelligence community here in America, you may be looking at worse than a political assassination.
That's really dangerous to do.
And I never thought I would feel that way in America.
But I certainly was. Don't you?
STU: It is. Yeah.
I mean, it is --
GLENN: I mean, look what they did to Donald Trump.
And look what you -- what I think they're willing to do to Donald Trump.
Somebody steps up and is effective at taking on the Deep State. God help them.
God help them.
STU: There's a lot. Yeah. You're standing up against people who have entrenched interest in something that you don't want.
And you're trying to destroy --
GLENN: And they have all kinds of power.
STU: All sorts of power.
One of the first things we talked about with Donald Trump.
And a critical way at some level.
Was to say, hey. You better be sure, if you're going to go critique our -- our -- you know, critique is not the right word for what Donald Trump was doing. But go after the intelligence agencies.
Because they're not going to sit back, and just let that go on. You better be sure.
Now, he did it anyway.
And he had to deal with the effects of it.
I mean, it's a risky strategy. At times, it feels like, you know what, it really needs to be done.
And I'm glad he has done it.
But he dealt with lots of personal discomfort.
And continues to, I believe, those attacks at the beginning. And more as he went on.
They're not just going to give up their power. That's not what happens.
GLENN: I know. I wish we just cobbled together a coalition.
I really do.
I -- Donald Trump is so focused now.
Has to be.
So focused on what's going on in his life, I wish we would put a coalition together, where everybody gets behind somebody.
And just says, okay.
What's best for the country?
All of us. Getting together, right now. And developing something that a majority of Americans can get behind.
Because I -- I just won't believe it.
If -- if this guy, Joe Biden can win, I mean, I've never seen a guy who has done this with war. And made things as unstable. Do well in a presidential election.
Never seen a president who has an economy like this. Do well in a presidential election. I've never seen a guy who is more incompetent do well -- I mean, this guy has everything going against him.
And it's still competitive?
How is that possible?
Just how is that possible?
For the past 10 years, Glenn has felt a calling to urge America to renew its covenant with God. So, for 40 days, Glenn took his audience on a journey to restore our understanding of what it means to be in a covenant relationship with God. And now, he's urging Americans to take the first step towards restoring what we have forgotten. Glenn reveals the oath to God that he has decided to take and asks every American who is truly willing to abide by it to join him.
For the past 10 years, Glenn has felt a calling to urge America to renew its covenant with God. So, for 40 days, Glenn took his audience on a journey to restore our understanding of what it means to be in a covenant relationship. And now, he's urging Americans to take the first step forward because "there are only two paths: total destruction, or turning back to God." But before he revealed the oath to God that he took, and asked his audience to join him in, Glenn wanted to explain how we got here: What is America's covenant with God and what happened when it was renewed in the past? But he also stresses that this is not something to do lightly.