RADIOApril 13, 2022

Dave Rubin’s message for liberals: It’s DECISION TIME!

Dave Rubin has been working with liberals for years now…and some of them DO now recognize the far-left’s woke INSANITY. But recognition of the ‘obvious stuff’ may not be enough, the BlazeTV host tells Glenn: ‘At some point, the rubber meets the road and you need to make a decision…you have to make a choice.’ In this clip, Rubin encourages truth-seeking, freedom-loving Americans to ‘blaze a NEW trail,’ he explains. Because the far-left won’t stop until their dystopian nightmare comes true. So, it’s time to take ACTION and build new institutions that allow us to survive — and THRIVE — without far-left ideologues forcing our every move…

Rubin's new book — 'Don't Burn This Country' — explains all of this, plus more. It's available TODAY.

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Dave Rubin. How are you, sir?

DAVE: Glenn, I'm doing well. Although, I got to tell you, you're giving me inflation neighbors. I'm trying to move a book today. I need good inflation numbers. I have product to get out of the warehouse.

GLENN: You are going to do really well. You just have to charge $85 per book. Dave does have a new book out. It's called don't burn this country.

And, you know, in it, you say something interesting, that this is kind of -- this is your last chance to try to save liberals.

DAVE: Oh, yeah. This is it, man. I mean, you know my evolution well. And your audience is pretty familiar with it. And I've tried for the last say 7 years to really wake up the remaining liberals, and go, you know, do the obvious stuff first. The obvious stuff is, okay. The left has gone bananas. The woke stuff. And two plus two is five. And boys are girls. And non-racism is racism, all the stuff that you've been talking about. Enough of the liberals get that. But at some point, the rubber meets the road. At some point, you have to make a choice. You have to see that fork in the road and say, okay. I'm going to to have separate from some of my old ideas. Some of the old political leaders and political leaders I followed and blaze a new trail. I think that's what I've tried to do with my life. And really, this book is saying, hey, look, we're past the point of talking. We're past the point of just explaining that there's something wrong with the left.

But now we really have to build new things. We have to separate, in essence, from these people. Build parallel economies. Build new educational institutions. Build new networks.

Everything -- literally everything. And, I mean, literally literally. Literally everything that we have, we have to either rebuild or separate from these guys. Because they're not going to stop. You know, all that we've warned. For all the work that all of us have done. They're still not stopping. Sure, we're waking up people, but the march is on. So it's time to -- it's time to blaze a new trail.

GLENN: Okay. So what does that mean exactly?

DAVE: Well, it means a lot of things. I mean, first off, you really have to think of your life in a different way. I tell a story about an intern that I had about two years ago, who was a great kid. He was really crushing it. And I said to him, he was going to school, and helping us part-time.

And I pay all my interns, by the way. And I said to him, hey, listen, forget about school. You're killing it here. Let me hire you full-time. We pay all your benefits. Join us, and you've got a bright future ahead of you. We'll take good care of you. I know you'll make the show better. I know it will for me too. And he said, you know, Dave, I think I want to stick with college. I get it, I'm flattered.

Flash forward, a year later, where now I live in Florida as you know. I was living in Cali at the time.

He called me about three months ago, called me about three months ago. He said, Dave, I've had enough. Glenn, I don't like the Zoom schools. Nobody is learning anything here. We're being indoctrinated. My teachers are all activists. Does that offer still stand? And now he has a full-time job. He just moved to Florida. And he's flourishing. And I used that as an example.

Meaning, you don't have to go to $150,000 in debt, when you're 21 years old to get a marginal job that you most likely you didn't learn anything to get the job in the first place. That's one example. I think we have to figure out ways to get off the big tech rails. It's why TheBlaze is thriving. You years ago, saw the path of, oh, I can't be so reliant on the big boys. I have to build my own thing.

It's why I started Locals. There's all sorts of things. You know, you need to know how to do a few things. I think one of the real crises we're having right now is that the millennials don't know how to do anything. They don't know how to change a tire. They don't know how to raise a chicken. Or start a garden. Basic things. This stuff started simple. But we've become so reliant on these big systems. (?) and that if you just don't ask any questions. And if you're nice to the machine. They're nice back to you. After 15 days to slow the spread, I think they realized, they're never going to stop. They're coming. And until they realized (?) they will just keep moving on everything.

GLENN: Yeah. You talk about the difference between self-care and being self-reliant. And I can't tell you how important that is right now. All of us, need to learn certain things. If our kids don't know how to read a map, you better teach them how to read a map and have maps that they can read. Also in the book, you write, how to spot fake news. Can you take us through that?

DAVE: Yeah. There are many types of fake news. And we think of fake news as (?) another type of fake news we think about is when the headline has almost nothing to do with the story. Those are sort of the two big ones that are somewhat obvious. There are others (?) one of them, the best example, because it's relative to what's going on right now. This Hunter Biden laptop story. Which, right before the election, was not allowed to be on Twitter. Even the New York Post was a totally reputable (?), but you could not tweet about it. Not only could you not tweet about it. Glenn, as you know, you could not send the link to the story, in your private messages on Twitter. That means -- that means they were monitoring people's private messages, the private messages of even journalists. The, quote, unquote, journalists that were sending stories to each other. The type of fake news was the type of things that they won't let you see. And I'm far more interested to see about that, than the fake stuff. We've all done pretty good (?) very fine people on both sides. The Russian collusion hoax. (?) the coming kids are a racist. Everyone gets that. The internet has allowed us to some degree, to expose that. The bigger issue is the stuff that we can't quite see. We can't quite make sense of. You know, 51 former intelligence officials tell us that Hunter Biden laptop story is fake. And now the New York Times is even telling us that's real. (?)

GLENN: Not only that. But the fake news continues. They say, that's real. However, the president is not implicated in this at all, so they just moved the bar. And they still say kind of the same thing.

DAVE: Well, that's the extraordinary part. That's one way the machine. This is it is reason why I say these big systems. They're always playing a little bit of catchup. First, the story was completely a hoax. Then it was maybe it was true. But then it doesn't implicate Hunter in any way. Now (?) and I suspect, Glenn. That as more and more leaks from this thing. And we figure out, how Hunter got these jobs, that he was qualified for. I'm not a rocket scientist, or a biologist. Do you think it maybe had something to do with the fact that his tad had something to do with the presidency of the United States. May a crazy conspiracy theorist?

GLENN: Of course, you are. Of course, you are. Let me quote the book. And you expand. The collectivist left wants to strip you of the intrinsic (?), in fact, you'll get paid for it. You can watch porn and play video games all day. And when doing so. You're actually helping people. Attachment, yeah. What a twisted thing they put on all of us over the past couple of years. They got (?) and restaurants. We all know someone in our own life, whether it was us personally. Or a neighbor or a friend or cousin. Who had a business close. Someone who lost their jobs. The mom and pop (?) 70 percent of mom-and-pop stores closed during covid. For some reason, the Target. The big box (?) that was selling virtually the same stuff. They had to close.

These ridiculous, arbitrary rules. And then, of course, the way I relate it too collectivism. At the same time, they tell us, we must stay home. And you will kill grandma. And ordering food. Well, first of all, you're creating a class war. (?) these other people that have to wear masks to deliver your food. A huge class war problem there. But also then, the utter hypocrisy, that they threw in our face, when it was Black Lives Matter rallies. Suddenly Eric Garcetti. (?) or Lori light foot in Chicago. She had her kids in masks. They still may have some degree of kids in masks in Chicago. But for Black Lives Matter, she could be out there without a mask. Glenn, even the last couple of days. The ridiculous press conference, the chronic liar, Jen Psaki gave the other day. Where she was asked about Kamala Harris wearing masks indoors. And she said, well, she took it after this. Relating to Ketanji Brown Jackson. This was a historic moment. They lie about everything. While they take your rights and dignity away. And they throw it in your face. And we just have to say, enough is enough.

GLENN: You moved to California. Which is interesting to me. Because you talk about inclusiveness. And you talk about the importantness of being a good neighbor. Can you be a good neighbor in the wrong place?

DAVE: Oh, it was tough of it. It was really tough. I moved (?) I became professionally successful. Force my life was enriched in many, many ways. (?), but these last couple of years. And it really did start before covid. But then covid put it on steroids. You know, the societal breakdown. Because the individual is not separated from your politics. And vice-versa. Meaning, if you're watching the news every day, and you're completely fearful of everything and you're wearing masks all day and everything, you will be (?) beautiful 80 degrees every single day. Not a cloud in the sky. I would be walking my dog, with no mask on. Outdoors. And neighbors, I kid you not, would be running the other way. The degree that everybody would go to the supermarkets. And no one would look at each other. You have a mask on. (?) what do we think this will do to a generation of people? I have to tell you, going from California to (?) I've been here about three months. I feel like I'm in a completely different country. And I don't mean that to be. I'm not exaggerating when I say that. I generally feel like, I'm living in a place, where I'm in a completely different outlook on life. I go to the store. I'm smiling. (?) businesses are thriving. And as I said, it's not disconnected from politics. We have a governor here, who said, hey. I don't know everything going on with covid. But we will make decisions for themselves. And, by the way, occasionally, you see people in masks here. And that's their choice. That's fine. But the government does not dictate that everybody live under the boot. It's a much more refreshing way to live. It's like a weight lifted off my chest.

GLENN: I know. I know. (?) which you can find online or Blaze TV. He's got a new book out now, called don't burn this country. Surviving and thriving in our woke dystopia.

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Dave Rubin in's new book. I love this. (?) in a time of madness, don't even burn this country. It will give you the tools you need to think for yourself. I want you to walk into the bar and order a full-bodied opinion. I want you to get absolutely wasted on facts until 3:00 a.m. And then when you're just about to pass out, I want you to get another glass of reality and chug it.

I love that.

DAVE: Glenn, I know you don't drink anymore. But there's something there. There's something there.

GLENN: I love it. (?) Plato's cafe is.

DAVE: The basic idea of mate zero's cafe. And the reason why I use it as an example in this book. In the cafe. If you live in this cafe (?) when he originally wrote it. If you live in this cafe. Your perception. And you only live in a cafe. In the media vicinity of you. Your perception of reality will be extremely different than what actual reality is. And somehow, through social media. Through lockdowns. Through closing businesses. Social distancing. Eliminating the ways humans have communicated. 234 some ways, we're all (?) those of us trying to have difficult conversations. That are trying to build some bridges, instead of burning everything down. I think the challenge for us, is to get out of our cave. Glenn, guys like us. (?) to our audiences. And hopefully, they can incorporate some of that in our lives. And that's real. It's on everyone to do that, to whatever degree you can. Especially when you add in the big tech (?) where we don't have news is being catered to us. And what they're sending us. The feeds. What they're doing to our dopamine related to likes and clicks and all these things. In essence, we're all being pushed (?) our preconceived notions are the things that will matter. And we have to really step out of that cave. By the way, when I wrote this (?)

GLENN: Right. And you say, imagine a Civil War breaks out. Two groups. One who wants to conserve. One who wants to destroy.

DAVE: Looks. This is not a line that I want to (?) of a movement. Sort of separation between the red and blue states. And the problem is that, look, we're called the United States of America. We're supposed to be individual states. This is what the Federalist system is about, of course. And then we're supposed to be united in some form of commonality. Unfortunately, because the Democrat Party has gone so far off the deep end and taken the (?) in effect, you live in different countries. We have to figure out how to ash tries this situation. My suspicion is that the red states will continue to flourish. And with the blue states will continue to crumble. Now, the problem with that inherently, the red states will say, hey. We're doing it right. We're out of here. But the blue states will say, no. We want more of your tax money. (?) I think the red states, generally speaking, I'm not talking about like a true secession movement or something like that. But an ideological, hey, here's where I live, and this is what I care about. (?) more and more. But the irony, of course, is in many ways, this is (?) not supposed to have nearly as much power as it does.

GLENN: Dave, I'm so glad you're on our side.

DAVE: Glenn (?) I know you're not going to tooth your own horn. We're burning (?) on any category. Because you're still killing it, man. You're crushing it all over the place. The book has been out for two months.

GLENN: I appreciate. The name of the book is don't burn this country.

Make sure you grab it now, wherever books are sold. Dave is a remarkable guy. Started seven years ago. Questioning his own beliefs. And he is -- I think next year, he might get to a point to where, Genghis Khan, did not go far enough. I mean, he's really becoming a conservative warrior. Dave Rubin in,you can find his show at Blaze TV.

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Was an NGO with deep government ties trying to RESTART the opium trade in Taliban-run Afghanistan while former Taliban members were on its payroll...only to be caught DESTROYING the evidence?! The State Department's Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy Darren Beattie joins Glenn Beck to expose what he found when he was made Acting President of the United States Institute of Peace. Plus, he debunks ProPublica’s claim that DOGE “targeted” an “Afghan scholar who fled the Taliban.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Darren, welcome to the program. How are you? Darren, are you there? Is he there?

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Okay. Check if he's there. Is he? Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney.

STU: Trying to shut him down. They don't want peace. They don't want peace.

GLENN: They don't. They don't.

He is -- he is a big-time anti-globalist. I've got to tell you, what we're doing with the State Department. I absolutely love. The State Department has been a big problem for this country for a very long time. It's what's gotten us into these global wars. These endless wars, and everything he is.

And, I mean, I don't know what happened to Marco rube, but he is tremendous.

And the way president Trump is appointing different people like Darren, it's fantastic. Darren, are you there? Darren.

STU: Something must be wrong with the lines. Because we are talking to him offline on the phone here. And it does seem to be working, but not coming through our broadcast board here for whatever reason.

GLENN: Well, let's see if we can get that fixed, and maybe let me just talk here for five, six minutes on something else. Then we'll take a break and come back and see if we can get him.

There's something else that I really want to talk about. And that is this flag-burning thing. Now, it's not an amendment.

This is something that the president is putting up in an executive order and has very little teeth to it.

But I -- I -- look, I understand. As a guy putting an enormous flagpole up at my house today.

I mean, an enormous flagpole.

I love the flag. I love it!

And there are a few things that make me more angry than see somebody you set our flag on fire.

For a lot of people, that's a punch in the gut, especially our military people. And it has been planted on distant battlefields. It's raced after victory. Saluted in the morning, or should be in our schools and folded and given to the hands of grieving families. It feels like spitting on every sacrifice, that ever made this nation possible. And the argument against flag burning is really simple: It dishonors the idea of all of that. Okay?

And it defends millions of people, including me. It disrespects, I think the veterans that bled. The families who mourned. The dream that binds us together.

However, here's the hard truth: Symbols only mean something, in a land where freedom is alive.

If you outlaw the burning of a flag, the you have placed the cloth above the Constitution that it represents. You have made the flag an idol.

We don't worship idols. If you can only praise the flag and never protest it, it just stops being a symbol of freedom. And starts being an idol of obedience.

Now, that's the argument for allowing it. At least to me.

Because the real strength of a free nation is -- is to -- it's -- it's how we protect, not the speech we love, but how we endure the speech we hate!

And the Supreme Court has already ruled on this. And, you know, they -- the line they drew wasn't an easy one. Freedom of speech, stops where it directly -- directly insights violence. And that's it same thing, kind of, in this executive order.

You can burn the flag. But if I'm not mistaken, but if it incites violence, then you're in trouble.

And that's true. But the bar of inciting violence is so incredibly high. And it's -- it doesn't have anything to do with speech that offends. It's not speech that stirs anger. Not speech that wants you to punch the speaker in the mouth. It's speech only, that provokes imminent and specific violence.

And unless it's that be with the government doesn't have any right to -- to get into the business of silencing speech. Ever. Ever. Ever.

It is a hard line. And that standard is really hard. It's painfully hard.

Because what our citizenship requires, this is civics. What our citizenships require, is that we defend -- oh, I hate this.

We defend the right of your opponent to mock everything that we hold sacred.

Now, I want you to think of this. You can burn a Bible. You can burn the Word of God. But some want to make it illegal to burn a flag. Where are our priorities? You can burn the Constitution. The words that actually are the ones that stir us into action. But you can't burn a flag.

You can't burn a Koran. Can't burn them. Can't. Can't.

You will -- you will quickly come to a quick end, not legally. But you will come to a quick end. I don't ever want to be like that. Ever!

You burn a Bible. I think you're a monster. What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?

But you have a right to do it. Why are we drawing a line around the flag? It -- the reason is -- is because we feel things so passionately. And that is really a good thing, to feel love of country so passionately. But then we have to temper that. My father used to tell me, that I think this country needs to hear over and over again, every day. My father -- we would talk to somebody. And we would walk away. And he would go, I so disagree with everything that man just said. But, Glenn, son, he would say. I will fight to the death for his right to say it. He used to say that to me all the time. Which now lees me to believe, I know where I've got my strong opinions from. Because dad apparently would disagree with a lot of people all the time.

But that was the essence of freedom. That is the essence of what sets us apart. Standing for universal, eternal rights like free speech. It's not easy. It means you have to take the size of those people that offend you. It means -- it doesn't mean you have to disagree with it. You can fight against it. You can argue back and forth.

But you -- can you tolerate the insults to the things that you love most. That is so hard, and that is why most of the world does not have freedom of speech. It's too hard! But our Founders believed people are better than that. Our citizens can rule themselves!

And the only way you can rule yourself is if you don't have limits on freedom of speech. So the question is, do we want to remain free? Or do we want to just feel good? It really is that simple. It's why no one else has freedom of speech. It's too hard! I think we're up to the task. Okay. Give me 60 seconds. And then we will try again.

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All right. Let me -- let me bring Darren in. Darren, are you there now?

DARREN: Yes!
GLENN: Oh, God. Thank goodness.
Thank you for putting up with us. I don't know what happened with the phone system. But, first of all, tell me what the US Institute of Peace is. I've never even heard of it.

DARREN: That is a fantastic question. And I'll try to give the abbreviated answer, because I know we don't have several hours.

GLENN: Good. I know.

DARREN: But US Institute of Peace is one of lesser known, but quite important member of the NGO archipelago, that was created in the '80s. It belongs to the same cohorts as national endowments for democracy.

GLENN: Oh.

DARREN: And some other -- some other better known NGOs that really in the broad context of things. In kind of the sweep of things, was created as a kind of reorganization of the government structure in the aftermath of the church type committee hearings that expose a lot of the dirty dealings of government agencies such as the CIA, and so sort of a broader response to that government lie was to create this NGO layer of governance, with an armed distant plausible deniability, a kind of chameleon character of not exactly being government, not exactly being private, in order to fulfill some of those more sensitive functions that had been exposed in the course of the church hearings.

And so US Institute of Peace is one of those NGOs that had particular focus on conflict regions. But, of course, as I think you -- you suggested earlier, peace requires at the very least, an asterisk. Because there involves a lot of things, that conventional, most American citizens would not think should belong as part of the portfolio of something calling itself an institute of peace.

GLENN: So what was the thing with the -- with this Taliban member that was getting money from us?

DARREN: Right. So this is an interesting case. So there's a whole saga of a takeover of the US institute of peace under -- under DOGE.

And that's really a fascinating story unto itself. Just to give you a sense of what these characters were like. They barricaded themselves in the offices.

They sabotaged the physical infrastructure of the building. There were reports of there being loaded guns within the offices.

GLENN: Wow!

DARREN: There was one, like, hostage situation where they held a security guard under basically kind of a false imprisonment type situation. It was extremely intense.

Far more so than the better known story of USAID. And in the course of all of that, they tried to delete a terabyte of data, of accounting information that would indicate what kind of stuff they were up to.

What kind of people they were paying. And in the course of that, DOGE found that one of the people on their payroll. Was this curious figure, who had a prominent role in the Taliban government. And then seemed to kind of play a bunch of angles across each other.

Sort of one of these sixer types in the middle of Afghanistan.

The question is, what the heck is an organization like this, having an individual, who is a former Taliban member on their payroll.

It underscores how incredibly bizarre the whole arrangement is. And to just reinforce that. I think even more bizarre than having this former Taliban guy on the payroll is the kind of schizophrenic posture exhibited by the chief -- one truly bizarre thing is that one of the US Institute of Peace's main kind of policy agendas was basically lamenting the fact that the opium trade had dissipated under Taliban leadership. They had multiple reports coming out, basically saying, this is horrible, that the opium trade is diminished under the Taliban. Meaning, finding some way to restore it. How bizarre is that!

GLENN: What was their thinking?

DARREN: Well, it's -- it's very strange, and it depends on what kind of rabbit holes you want to go down. But the whole story of opium and Afghanistan and its connection to, you know, government entities, is a -- is a very intricate and delicate and fascinating one. But it seems very clear that the US Institute of Peace was involved in that story to some degree because their public reports. They had a full-the time guy of basically lamenting the fact that the opium trade dissipated under the Taliban. And, meanwhile, they're funding this former Taliban guy.

GLENN: Unbelievable. Now, ProPublica got this. And you have released the statement on it. And ProPublica just completely white-washed this -- said this guy was a victim, and his family was taken hostage. Was his family ever taken hostage because he was exposed?

And correct the ProPublica story, would you?

DARREN: Yeah, I mean, the ProPublica thing, as usual and as expected was a total joke.

GLENN: Yes.

DARREN: I mean, this guy, I'm not an expert on this particular person's history. But what's very clear is he was a former Taliban guy, and he was probably one of these people, who was playing all sides, made a lot of enemies. I know that there were several kind of attempts on his life by the Taliban, in the course of various -- various decades.

This has nothing to do with -- with DOGE.

I mean, he's a known quantity in the region.

And somebody who has made a lot of enemies.

And he was not -- he was on the payroll of the US institute of peace.

And nobody is expecting something like that. So then, and, again, there's this sort of hostile takeover situation.

Where the people are barricading he themselves in. Trying to delete all this data.

And sure enough, what's in the data, is stuff like this.

These random former Taliban guy, making his contract with $130,000.

GLENN: You know, this is the -- this is the real Deep State stuff, that I think bothers people so much.

Look, we expect our CIA to do stuff, we don't necessarily want to do it. We expect it.

When it's in the State Department.

When every department is pushing out money to NGOs to overthrow governments and everything else.

It's out of control!

It's just completely out of control.

And who is overseeing all of that.

DARREN: That's a great question.

I think part of the NGO -- UCEF was almost a cutout of a cutout.

A fourth of its money came from USAID.

In many ways, it was a cutout of USAID. Which itself was a cutout.

So there are many layers of distance. Plausible deniability.

And UCEF, I think institutionally really perfected this chameleon structure of being able to plausibly present itself as government. When that was convenient for what they were doing.

And also to present itself as a private organization, when that was convenient.

It's a very intricate setup that they had, that was truly optimized for this chameleon character of plausible denial operations. In conflict zones. Doing God knows what, with American taxpayer money.

And it's just an absolute hornet's nest.

We have recovered that terabyte that they tried to delete. And once we get things settled in the building itself, I intend to do a kind of transparency effort, whereby we release all of this material to the public.

GLENN: Good. Good.

DARREN: Just like I'm doing at the State Department. I'm currently acting as secretary at the State Department. And doing a transparency effort here. After I eliminated the global engagement center, which was sort of the internal censorship office within the State Department, decided, we've got to -- we've got to air this out to the public.

So within the next couple of weeks.

We'll have our next tranche of helps you of thousands of emails, documenting what this were doing.

GLENN: I would love you to go back on, through those emails.

I think you guys in the State Department are doing an amazing job. Thanks for being on.