RADIOSeptember 02, 2022

EXPLAINED: Duke/BYU racial slur drama proves truth IS OVER

You may not follow women’s college volleyball, but you definitely should care about this: A Duke volleyball player recently accused BYU fans of using racial slurs at a big game in Provo, Utah last week. Now, that accusation has ended in a ‘human sacrifice being thrown into to the PC volcano,’ John Ziegler, Host of ‘With the Benefit of Hindsight,’ tells Glenn. In this clip, Ziegler explains the entire story and gives his theory as to what REALLY happened. He details how one volleyball player’s accusation became worldwide news, the political godmother who became involved, and the shameful way BYU caved under pressure. Plus, Ziegler explains how this story proves truth no longer matters in today’s society: ‘It’s dangerous, it’s really frustrating, and it’s really sad.’

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GLENN: John Ziegler, welcome to the program. How are you.

JOHN: Glenn, always good to talk to you.

GLENN: Good to talk to you. So you're a guy who debunked a lot of stuff. And you're usually a contrarian. And I know that's why I like you so much. Because you never take the popular side. You take the hard road every single time. Because you believe -- you do your homework, and you believe something is right or wrong. John, there is this duke, BYU volleyball game story, that just stinks to high heaven. And yet, everybody believes it. And BYU just announced that they are eliminating this fan section, because of this. And I think it's a lie. Tell the story, and then what you found.

JOHN: Well, it is a lie. And the reason why we know it's a lie, is because how this story developed. How it birthed. How it evolved. And the unique factors to allow the news media to get easily duped, including the nature, as you already alluded to, of the religion and perception related to BYU. Of course, being Mormonism. Here's the story as we were told it. Supposedly last Friday night, at a woman's volleyball game. A duke volleyball player who happened to be black. Was subjected to continual, continual N-word chants against her by at least one person. And then racial intimidation, that was apparently so obvious, that a police officer had to be stationed at the duke bench.

Now, this, if true, is obviously horrendous. Also, if true, at a sold-out event. This was sold-out, at BYU. Over 5,000 people. If at 2022, where everyone has a cell phone, and where this game was being streamed live.

And we're told that saying the N-word to a black person is the worst thing a human being can possibly do, except maybe not wear a mask at an inner-city school. That may be worse, but this is the worst thing that can happen. This is effectively like Bigfoot sitting down in the BYU student section, and there being no video evidence of it.

None. I mean, it's impossible. It's absolutely impossible, that in this day and age, there would be no witnesses, no video, no indication of this whatsoever.

But that didn't necessarily prove that it didn't happen. How did the story evolve?

Did something happen during the game, that made it a public issue?

Was there a post-game press conference that made this a public issue? No.

This became a public issue because of a tweet.

Was it a tweet by the girl who was subjected to the N-word?

No. Was it somebody who was at the game? No. This was by, quote, the godmother, whatever that means.

The godmother of the girl who was supposedly subjected to this, much later after the game, where she tweets the story that I just told you.

GLENN: Yeah. But she was there, right?

JOHN: No, no, no. She was not there. And in fact, it now appears the person she spoke to, the player's dad was also not there. So now we have a whisper down the lane situation, Glenn, and I think that's the key to what happened here. A lot of people on my side of this issue, was calling this like it's another Jussie Smollett hoax, and they're wondering why she didn't say they were wearing red hats, and this is MAGA country. I don't think this was a deliberate hoax.

I think this was a situation where, everybody fell into a story that fit their self-interest. And those are always the most dangerous. And that gets us -- to BYU's reaction to this. Just to finish, how this story gave birth. Because this is really important. Is that this tweet comes out from the godmother, who is running for political office. It's the top of her Twitter page.

GLENN: In Texas. In Texas. She's running for I think a judgeship, is she not? That will be great.

JOHN: I'm looking at this, wait a minute here. She's in Texas. The game is in Utah, and the photograph that she tweeted was not from the game. It was a photograph of her, with her, quote, unquote, goddaughter. Which if you were at the game, that's not what you would have tweeted out. You would have tweeted out a picture from the game, along with this horrific story of racial abuse. So immediately, I'm thinking, she wasn't there. She doesn't know what she's talking about.

And then we later find out, that she has a history of dozens and dozens of overtly racist tweets. That causes her to shut down her Twitter feed. Which in a rational world, would have stopped any media outlet for considering this credible. But already from that happening, this is what occurred, LeBron James retweeted the tweet.

Now, LeBron James, as you and your listeners should know, is not a credible source from this for any reasons, including the fact, that he perpetrated his own racial hoax, that I believe was actually a hoax, several years ago, that never got fully debunked because the police said, you know what, this is one of those crimes better left unsolved, really. Because it didn't happen. Because he makes it a cause celeb in the left-wing Twittersphere, it goes viral. Once it goes viral, the news media, they have no ability to not accept this story. Because it's a narrative they love. This is where the PYU narrative becomes important. Complete reaction is, oh. BYU. White school. Mormon.

Utah. Of course, this is what happened. This is the way the world works. The media will believe anything about Mormonism. My God, we saw it in the 2012 election. Who believe they will torture your family dog on the family vacation for no apparent reason.

GLENN: Hang on just a second. You know what, what is amazing to me, if you've ever been to Provo, Utah. You are expecting me to believe, that no one in the stands heard it or spoke up against it. Or witnessed it, and didn't speak.

You have to believe, that that entire section was in on it. That everyone was -- because there are no witnesses. They have asked the people there. They looked at the videotape. Nothing. Nothing. And she said, it happened every time she served. The cameras are on the audience. Not happening.

JOHN: And let's be clear who said that. The godmother said that, not the player, specifically. Which I think is important.

I think a lot of this story comes down to language.

If the player doesn't put out a statement, until Sunday! Until Sunday! And in her statement, she never uses the N-word.

She says, racially heckled. What the hell is racially heckled? Now, to me, in my interpretation to this, and this is where I think we get to where society has changed. Where we're now so incredibly close to racism being the criticism of a black person by a white person.

That's what racism is now.

And it doesn't have to have any racial angle to it whatsoever. This was a very intense atmosphere, this game. It was a sold-out game. And this player, Richardson, played poorly. And Duke lost. It is -- in my research of these cases, it's amazing how often when it happens in sports. The team that had the racism against them, always loses.

And it -- and it -- and that plays a key role. Because if you read her statement, she's clearly looking for an excuse as to why she played poorly, and why her team lost.

And so what I think happened here. This is my theory about what happened.

Is that -- that the crowd was intense. She played like crap. She was upset about it. She tells her dad about how this incredibly intense crowd. She might have even made it sound racist. These white Mormons were all over me, during the whole game.

Her dad then in a whispered down the lane situation, tells the godmom. The godmom was an overt racist and running for office, tweets about it. LeBron James retweets it. The left-wing media goes crazy. USA Today calls her a hero in the headline, the New York Times reports about it. Everybody is going crazy.

Oh, my God. We love this narrative. We hate Mormons. Mormons will do anything. They're all racist.

And, by that time -- by that time, she herself becomes invested in the story. Duke is not going to back away from their black player, and BYU caves completely.

BYU frightens their own shadow. They self-flagellate. They capitulate. Because this is what you do in academia. Especially when you're run by a lot of straight white males, which BYU is. And after, you even have the governor of Utah jump in, on this, immediately with no facts.

And tweet about how horrible the racism is.

It's in the DNA of everyone in academia, when these crises happen, to immediately plead guilty. And once they plead guilty, everybody thinks, well, my gosh, the story must be true. Why would BYU plead guilty? Because they don't understand the dynamic, especially in academia, especially among straight white men, where you must immediately self-flagellate, and virtue signal to save your job. And then they throw this -- this mentally challenged handicapped person under the bus.

GLENN: I know. The sacrifice -- wait. Wait. Wait. Explain this. Because I think this is the worst part of it.

JOHN: So, again, this is partially this is my theory. What happened to have happened, BYU, and duke, I think is equally culpable in this. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat to make the girl feel better about herself. There needs to be a scalp. And it appears as if, that the person who was chosen to be the scalp, was someone who had nothing to do with any racial slurs, was not even in the student section when supposedly this happened. A mentally handicapped person who was well-known to come to these games, who we don't even know what the heck actually happened. Was somehow near the bench after the game, and the duke side identifies this person, supposedly as potentially the voice of somebody who had spewed some racial slur. And BYU bans this person supposedly for life. As I call them. A human sacrifice, being thrown into the PC volcano.

GLENN: It's really bad. It's really bad.

JOHN: I mean, it's unbelievable. Both sides deserve enormous blame for this. But this is one of the stories, Glenn, it's never going to get fixed. Because it's impossible to disprove, to prove a negative. How do you prove 1,000 percent that --

GLENN: You're not supposed to. In America, the person who makes the charge, is the one who has to prove it. You don't have to prove you're innocent. Somebody has to prove you're guilty. They had no description of the person. They couldn't tell you what the person looked like, what -- what they were even saying. When they identified this kid, if I'm not mistaken, they were saying it, because they said, that voice sounds like the voice we heard. Is that right?

JOHN: Right. See, I think this is where we come down to race and religion. Because we, now live in a world where right and wrong and, quote, unquote, truth is determined by how many PC points you have in your demographics. So we have a black female, who is alleging having been the victim of racism. You can't beat that. Unless she's gay. Then you get a few more points. But from a points standpoint, you can't beat it. And you're going up against it as white Mormons. So you have no chance. White straight Mormons have no chance against a black female, accusing the other side of racism. And, I mean, that sounds funny. It's partially funny. It's also reality. That's the way the media looks at this now. And once they get a narrative they like, Glenn, there's no going back. This woman is a hero. We have the script we like. Let's cut it. Print it. Move on. And it doesn't matter it's for a mentally challenged guy, that's been destroyed. It doesn't matter that BYU's reputation has been destroyed. It doesn't matter what the truth is. That's the world we're living in. It's really dangerous, it's really frustrating, and it's really sad.

GLENN: So I want to give you some tweets from this woman, quickly. I knew she was married to a white boy just reading this tweet. This is the godmother's responses to things. Before this incident, being married to a white woman, he thinks I can talk his stupid ass nonsense. You damn straight about that. White people being white. Why does CNN constantly interview these dumbass white women. I would expect nothing less from a pail white chick. You poor white MFers can't take it. White women and men always disappoint. Last night, chef's table, and these white people getting on to our last damn nerves. I mean, this is -- this woman is all about hatred of white people. And she is running in Tarrant County, Texas. That's Fort Worth. She's running for a judgeship. Her name is Lesa Pamplin. Right? Yeah. Lesa Pamplin, for judge.

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All right. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. So the press -- I think the Cougar Chronicle, which is BYU paper, they were the first one to say, wait a minute, I don't think this is right. Weren't they?

JOHN: To my knowledge. I think myself, and Jason Whitlock has also done a great job, on this story. But, you know, I think, you know, we were trying very early to get at least to be safe, for the other side to say, wait a minute. And I think we were successful in doing that over the weekend.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you. So tell me about ESPN. And talk radio, I mean, sorry, sports radio. Has completely gone off the rails.

JOHN: Oh, yeah. It's all woke nonsense. But ESPN deserves special mention here. And this is a great example of the sausage being made.

GLENN: We have about 45 seconds. Go ahead.

JOHN: Okay. So long story short. Holly Roe, who I thought was a good reporter. I've been in touch with her on the whole Penn State, Paterno, Sandusky fiasco that I've talked to you about many times before.

I tried to warn her about this story. I said, this is not right. You've got this wrong. And she goes, and interviews the -- this woman, the volleyball player. The interview itself proves nothing happened. Because there's no detail. No emotion. No anger. Nothing. And she completely buys in. And then instead of saying, John, tell me more. She blocks me on Twitter.

GLENN: Wow.

JOHN: Because she doesn't want to hear the truth. And this is one of ESPN's best reporters. This is the making of the sausage in 2022, and why journalism is dead, Glenn.

GLENN: John Ziegler. You can follow him at Zigmundfreud. John Ziegler. Thank you so much for being a part of the program. Back in just a second.

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Meet the pro-Intifada candidate NYC Democrats just elected

New York City Democrats just elected 33-year-old Zohran Mamdani, a "socialist Muslim", as the Party's candidate for mayor. But Glenn Beck argues that his radical beliefs are actually communist and Islamist.

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VOICE: Z10852. Something weird is going on. The World Trade Center is on fire.

VOICE: Seriously the top of the building. We're trying to get information.

VOICE: Top level of one of the --

VOICE: To unfold from New York City.

VOICE: A plane crashed just --

VOICE: My sister is in that believe. I hope she's okay. I have to come to New York.

VOICE: It's pandemonium.

VOICE: It's raining papers.

VOICE: Wait a minute! Stop just a second. Why are we -- why are we -- I've got breaking news. Breaking news, yesterday. New York City just elected as their mayoral candidate for the left. And the Democrats, a -- a Muslim radical, who is also a communist!

So, you know, it only took you 25 years. It only took you 25 years, New York, to go completely insane.

Somebody who is -- well, I mean, if I might quote Michael malice today. I am old enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 9/11 instead of voting for it.

But you've got a -- you've got a communist jihadist apologist now.

Who was -- you know, well, CAIR put $100,000 behind his bid for New York City mayor.

So you have somebody who is endorsed by CAIR. That's really good.

He also was somebody who said, you know, he was -- he was for the shooting of the United Health Care CEO.

Said he was looking forward to driving down magnum Joan avenue. I don't know. Sounds like supporting people in the streets. Maybe it's just me.

Then he also said that he was going to globalize the intifada, which I think that's -- maybe -- maybe that's just me.

I mean, what do I know?

Tim Miller who is a podcaster. Asked him a few weeks ago. Asked him about his pro Palestinian slogan. Globalized the intifada. And he said, for me, ultimately, what I hear in so many, is a desperate desire for equality and equal rights, in standing up for Palistinian human rights. Oh, is that what you hear, Mr. CAIR?

Really? Huh, that's interesting.

Right. So globalize the intifada.

I mean, I mean, sure, that's -- I mean well, let me go on.

Because I don't want to take him out of context.

He then delved into the semantics of the intifada, citing the United States Holocaust memorial museum's use of a word for a translation for uprising, in an Arabic version of an article, a museum published about the Warsaw ghetto.

Oh!

So this is just a comparison, about the -- the armed rebellion against the Nazis!

I don't know if that makes me feel better!

I mean, if we're globalizing that.

We're the Nazis in this scenario.

Because I don't think it's the Palestinians.

I certainly don't think it's anybody who is like, hey.

Global jihad. I don't think it's those guys.

Or the Nazis. Who are the Nazis in that?

And it seems, if that's what you mean, then it's not just a harmless kind of slogan about human rights. It is a call for violence on the streets.

Because I don't know if you know, that's what happened when the Jews had their uprising against the Nazis.

I'm just saying!

But, hey, hey, free Palestine.

Oh, that's not what that means, gang. That is not what that means, but don't worry about it. He's just going to be possibly the new mayor.

And that's great. By the way, the Columbia faculty members signed a letter defending Hamas.

They were also among the donors to his mayoral campaign.

So, you know, you don't have anything to worry about.

And his father, who used to work at Columbia. Do you know, Stu?

Is his Dad -- is he still a professor at Columbia University?

He said that -- this violent terror thing of Islam, is not a part of Islam. Now, I've read the Koran, and much of the hadith.

And I'm pretty sure the violence is a part of that. But no.

No. This is something entirely new.

And his father while at Columbia university, wanted everybody to know, that this is actually -- this is something that came out of America!

America is really responsible for this.

And, you know, it really started with the Reagan administration, you know, when he started -- when he started with his very religious terms, to finish the war against the evil empire.

So, you know, that's where -- that's where 9/11 came from.

Is what -- don't worry about it! Don't worry about it!

Because who am I? I'm clearly just -- am I an anti-Semite today, or am I an Islamophobic? I can't remember which one.

Oh, it's probably both. Anyway, Islamophobia. Let me just explain Islamophobia. I haven't even gotten to the Communist part of it. Which is really, really -- New York, you're in one for hell of a ride. Buckle up.

It will be a fun rollercoaster for you. My gosh, I've never been happier that I've been away are if New York.

Anyway, I just want I to know, there is Islam. And then there is Islamists. Now, an Islamist is somebody who really wants Sharia law.

That's political Islam!

That's not a faith. That's political Islam.

Now, let me make really -- something really clear. Criticizing Islamism, is not Islamophobia. Pointing out the dangers of, oh. I don't know.

Political Islam. The ideology that seeks to use the tools of democracy, ultimately to destroy democracy, is not an attack on Muslims.

No. Uh-uh.

You know why?

Because Muslims are often the first people in line.

The first victims of the ideology.

So let's draw a bright, bright line between Islam as a faith, millions of people can practice that faithfully and peacefully.

It's mostly peaceful, okay?

Then there's the Islamism.

Islamism is something entirely -- that's a political project.

A theocratic political -- oh. Left loves theocracies. They love it.

Of course, you never see a problem with it.

See it when an Islamist is touting it. Anyway, it's not about prayer. It's not about fasting. It's not about spiritual life.

It's all about power. It's about merging of mosque and state. It's about implementing Sharia, not as a personal code of conduct. But as a governing legal system.

And it's -- it's supremacy.

Absolutely. Faith.

Religion.

It's -- there's one thing that's supreme.

It's misogynistic.

Deeply intolerant of all kinds of things.

Descent. Secularism. Other faiths. Even competing interpretations from inside the faith itself.

It will behead them too.

So let's -- let's be honest here for a second.

You know, CAIR should be labeled an international terror organization.

In my opinion. In my opinion.

Oh, does that make me -- that makes me an Islamophobe. I'm sure. I'm sure they will start a campaign against me on being an Islamophobe.

Stand in line, guys. You've been doing it since 2001, okay?

I don't really care. And I don't think the American people. I think that record, all the grooves are worn-out on that one, okay?

This is not a religion we're talking about. When we're talking about Sharia law. And we're talking about globalize the intifada. What does that mean, actually, to globalize it?

Does that mean we now want to do what is happening to Israel? All over the world?

Has the Palestinian plight become our plight you now, as Americans?

That there has to be an intifada here!

Because it's the kind of the same. You know. It's kind of the same over, you know, with what the Palestinians are going through.

Well, it's very much like what the Jews went through with the Nazis.

That's a weird one. That one makes my head hurt. It's very much the same as that. And very much the same as the fight against Donald Trump.

Oh, this is going to be fun. It's fun!

Really fun. You know, the irony here is, the ones that will scream Islamophobia the most, are the ones in the progressive left, the champions of feminism, LGBTQ rights. And secularism.

They're going to -- no. You want -- they're going to stand with the people, who want to kill them first.

See, this is how smart they are!

This is why it's going to work out well, in New York City.

Let me just say. If you have an ounce of common sense, you run a business, you have an ounce of wealth. And I don't mean wealth like, you know, hey, Lovey.

Let's get on the boat for a three-hour tour with a suitcase full of cash. I mean you saved anything, anything, get the hell out of New York City.

I mean, this is about survival. This is about free speech. This is about women's rights.
Religious pluralism. Secular legal systems. Liberal democracy.

But it's also about failed principles of Communism. Okay?

First, you have to call out political Islam for what it is. Okay?

And we have to do it with the clarity that we call out white nationalism.

Got to do it with that. Got to -- you know, the Klan. Really bad people.

Really bad people.

Anybody who is shouting for globalized intifada?

Pretty bad. Pretty bad people.

Okay?

Now, let's get to communism.

Because that's another cool, cool angle of the new Democratic candidate for -- for mayor of New York City.

That I just -- I think is cuddly and cute. Sure, it led to 100 million deaths. But this time, New York is going to be radically different. Oh, did I use the word radical?

I didn't mean to use that. What's radical about this guy?

Nothing. He's just like you!

Well, not exactly.

But let's talk about communism, next!

Now, the new mayoral candidate that's running there in New York City. That so many young people rushed to defend and vote for. He's promising free buses.

That's going to work out.

Where are you going to get the money for free buses.

It's free!

City-run grocery stores.

Oh, rent freezes. And finally somebody has done it. A 30-dollar minimum wage.

So under the banner of equity. And, you know, we will tax the wealthy. And the corporations. You know, we're going to squeeze another $10 billion out of them.

Really?

Because they're going to call a U-Haul.

You know, they will call something like U-Haul. There will be a lot of -- there will be a lot of movers that are like, how do I get the truck back from Texas or Florida back up to New York? Nobody is moving up there.

But he's going to do it.

Now, his vision isn't really new. You know, just -- just tax people, so we could have city-run grocery stores. You know, I remember -- I'm old enough to remember those city-run grocery stores in Moscow.

They were great.

The shelves were empty.

But that's just Moscow.

It worked out completely different in Venezuela.

Where, oh, no.

It didn't. That's right. The grocery store.

They were eating the zoo animals.

But it will be different in New York.

Because they have rent controls too.

And that will just choke the housing supply, but don't worry. As a young family.

You know, you voted for it.

You know better.

It will work this time.

So, you know, I like building ideas, I just don't like usually building on the graves of 100 million people.

But, you know, why not? Why not?

You know, use this dogma.

And this time, it will be different. It's not like it was in China. Where the great leap forward, was a gross -- a gross parody of progress. Venezuela, which was oil rich. One of the richest nations in the hemisphere now sees 90 percent of its population in poverty!

Yeah. Darn it. You know what they did?

They decided to take state control of things.

You know, like grocery stores. And it worked out well. How is that free busing working out in Venezuela?

I just want to -- I just want to know.

Anyway, then you've got the globalize the intifada. Which is going to drop a little violence in, and anti-Semitism in with your communism.

Which is weird!

Because violence and anti-Semitism, always happen. When it -- when it comes to -- when it comes to communism.

This is weird!

I've got to play something for you. Because this has talked about on me earlier this morning.

Oh, wow.

Wait a minute. This is -- this is the whole coalition coming together here.

So this is going to be good. New York, this is going to be great.

It's going to be great for you.

No. He's going to uplift you. Then the social fabric of New York City is just going to be -- just one.

It's going to be fantastic. Don't worry about your 120 billion dollars in debt. Or your 10 billion-dollar deficit that you have right now.

You are going to charge the rich more taxes, and they will stay right there.

They will be like, you know what, that 46 percent in taxes that I'm paying, this is just not enough. It's just not enough.

I need to pay 60 or 70 percent to be able to pay my fair share. So that's good. That's good. That's good.

You know, they're not risking 100 million people. It's just 8 million people.

This time, it's just 8 million people.

But, hey. For those of you in upstate New York. That aren't going to be part of this experiment.

Don't worry, you get to pay for it. Because they'll kick it up to the state. The state will have to subsidize everything. And don't you love it?

Really, don't you want to subsidize the really crazy ideas of New York City?

I mean, why don't you have a -- why don't you have a democratic socialist. A/k/a communist mayor.

Why haven't you done that? Are you not progressive enough? Are you not looking into the future?

Are you stuck in the past?

I don't know. I don't know. The graveyard is pretty big. I have a hard time getting past that one. You know, yeah, so I'm stuck in the past. Because I can't seem to pass that graveyard, and get to be down the path with you. But it's going to be a paradise.

Forget arithmetic. You know, or human nature. This time, it's going to work. It's going to work. So all right!

Wish I lived in this morning.

No wait. Nope. I don't. Nope, I don't.

And Ted Cruz, stop it. Stop writing, hey, come to Texas. No. No. Don't come to Texas. Don't come to Florida. Go to California. It's beautiful this time of year. Go there. Go there.