You may not follow women’s college volleyball, but you definitely should care about this: A Duke volleyball player recently accused BYU fans of using racial slurs at a big game in Provo, Utah last week. Now, that accusation has ended in a ‘human sacrifice being thrown into to the PC volcano,’ John Ziegler, Host of ‘With the Benefit of Hindsight,’ tells Glenn. In this clip, Ziegler explains the entire story and gives his theory as to what REALLY happened. He details how one volleyball player’s accusation became worldwide news, the political godmother who became involved, and the shameful way BYU caved under pressure. Plus, Ziegler explains how this story proves truth no longer matters in today’s society: ‘It’s dangerous, it’s really frustrating, and it’s really sad.’
Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: John Ziegler, welcome to the program. How are you.
JOHN: Glenn, always good to talk to you.
GLENN: Good to talk to you. So you're a guy who debunked a lot of stuff. And you're usually a contrarian. And I know that's why I like you so much. Because you never take the popular side. You take the hard road every single time. Because you believe -- you do your homework, and you believe something is right or wrong. John, there is this duke, BYU volleyball game story, that just stinks to high heaven. And yet, everybody believes it. And BYU just announced that they are eliminating this fan section, because of this. And I think it's a lie. Tell the story, and then what you found.
JOHN: Well, it is a lie. And the reason why we know it's a lie, is because how this story developed. How it birthed. How it evolved. And the unique factors to allow the news media to get easily duped, including the nature, as you already alluded to, of the religion and perception related to BYU. Of course, being Mormonism. Here's the story as we were told it. Supposedly last Friday night, at a woman's volleyball game. A duke volleyball player who happened to be black. Was subjected to continual, continual N-word chants against her by at least one person. And then racial intimidation, that was apparently so obvious, that a police officer had to be stationed at the duke bench.
Now, this, if true, is obviously horrendous. Also, if true, at a sold-out event. This was sold-out, at BYU. Over 5,000 people. If at 2022, where everyone has a cell phone, and where this game was being streamed live.
And we're told that saying the N-word to a black person is the worst thing a human being can possibly do, except maybe not wear a mask at an inner-city school. That may be worse, but this is the worst thing that can happen. This is effectively like Bigfoot sitting down in the BYU student section, and there being no video evidence of it.
None. I mean, it's impossible. It's absolutely impossible, that in this day and age, there would be no witnesses, no video, no indication of this whatsoever.
But that didn't necessarily prove that it didn't happen. How did the story evolve?
Did something happen during the game, that made it a public issue?
Was there a post-game press conference that made this a public issue? No.
This became a public issue because of a tweet.
Was it a tweet by the girl who was subjected to the N-word?
No. Was it somebody who was at the game? No. This was by, quote, the godmother, whatever that means.
The godmother of the girl who was supposedly subjected to this, much later after the game, where she tweets the story that I just told you.
GLENN: Yeah. But she was there, right?
JOHN: No, no, no. She was not there. And in fact, it now appears the person she spoke to, the player's dad was also not there. So now we have a whisper down the lane situation, Glenn, and I think that's the key to what happened here. A lot of people on my side of this issue, was calling this like it's another Jussie Smollett hoax, and they're wondering why she didn't say they were wearing red hats, and this is MAGA country. I don't think this was a deliberate hoax.
I think this was a situation where, everybody fell into a story that fit their self-interest. And those are always the most dangerous. And that gets us -- to BYU's reaction to this. Just to finish, how this story gave birth. Because this is really important. Is that this tweet comes out from the godmother, who is running for political office. It's the top of her Twitter page.
GLENN: In Texas. In Texas. She's running for I think a judgeship, is she not? That will be great.
JOHN: I'm looking at this, wait a minute here. She's in Texas. The game is in Utah, and the photograph that she tweeted was not from the game. It was a photograph of her, with her, quote, unquote, goddaughter. Which if you were at the game, that's not what you would have tweeted out. You would have tweeted out a picture from the game, along with this horrific story of racial abuse. So immediately, I'm thinking, she wasn't there. She doesn't know what she's talking about.
And then we later find out, that she has a history of dozens and dozens of overtly racist tweets. That causes her to shut down her Twitter feed. Which in a rational world, would have stopped any media outlet for considering this credible. But already from that happening, this is what occurred, LeBron James retweeted the tweet.
Now, LeBron James, as you and your listeners should know, is not a credible source from this for any reasons, including the fact, that he perpetrated his own racial hoax, that I believe was actually a hoax, several years ago, that never got fully debunked because the police said, you know what, this is one of those crimes better left unsolved, really. Because it didn't happen. Because he makes it a cause celeb in the left-wing Twittersphere, it goes viral. Once it goes viral, the news media, they have no ability to not accept this story. Because it's a narrative they love. This is where the PYU narrative becomes important. Complete reaction is, oh. BYU. White school. Mormon.
Utah. Of course, this is what happened. This is the way the world works. The media will believe anything about Mormonism. My God, we saw it in the 2012 election. Who believe they will torture your family dog on the family vacation for no apparent reason.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. You know what, what is amazing to me, if you've ever been to Provo, Utah. You are expecting me to believe, that no one in the stands heard it or spoke up against it. Or witnessed it, and didn't speak.
You have to believe, that that entire section was in on it. That everyone was -- because there are no witnesses. They have asked the people there. They looked at the videotape. Nothing. Nothing. And she said, it happened every time she served. The cameras are on the audience. Not happening.
JOHN: And let's be clear who said that. The godmother said that, not the player, specifically. Which I think is important.
I think a lot of this story comes down to language.
If the player doesn't put out a statement, until Sunday! Until Sunday! And in her statement, she never uses the N-word.
She says, racially heckled. What the hell is racially heckled? Now, to me, in my interpretation to this, and this is where I think we get to where society has changed. Where we're now so incredibly close to racism being the criticism of a black person by a white person.
That's what racism is now.
And it doesn't have to have any racial angle to it whatsoever. This was a very intense atmosphere, this game. It was a sold-out game. And this player, Richardson, played poorly. And Duke lost. It is -- in my research of these cases, it's amazing how often when it happens in sports. The team that had the racism against them, always loses.
And it -- and it -- and that plays a key role. Because if you read her statement, she's clearly looking for an excuse as to why she played poorly, and why her team lost.
And so what I think happened here. This is my theory about what happened.
Is that -- that the crowd was intense. She played like crap. She was upset about it. She tells her dad about how this incredibly intense crowd. She might have even made it sound racist. These white Mormons were all over me, during the whole game.
Her dad then in a whispered down the lane situation, tells the godmom. The godmom was an overt racist and running for office, tweets about it. LeBron James retweets it. The left-wing media goes crazy. USA Today calls her a hero in the headline, the New York Times reports about it. Everybody is going crazy.
Oh, my God. We love this narrative. We hate Mormons. Mormons will do anything. They're all racist.
And, by that time -- by that time, she herself becomes invested in the story. Duke is not going to back away from their black player, and BYU caves completely.
BYU frightens their own shadow. They self-flagellate. They capitulate. Because this is what you do in academia. Especially when you're run by a lot of straight white males, which BYU is. And after, you even have the governor of Utah jump in, on this, immediately with no facts.
And tweet about how horrible the racism is.
It's in the DNA of everyone in academia, when these crises happen, to immediately plead guilty. And once they plead guilty, everybody thinks, well, my gosh, the story must be true. Why would BYU plead guilty? Because they don't understand the dynamic, especially in academia, especially among straight white men, where you must immediately self-flagellate, and virtue signal to save your job. And then they throw this -- this mentally challenged handicapped person under the bus.
GLENN: I know. The sacrifice -- wait. Wait. Wait. Explain this. Because I think this is the worst part of it.
JOHN: So, again, this is partially this is my theory. What happened to have happened, BYU, and duke, I think is equally culpable in this. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat to make the girl feel better about herself. There needs to be a scalp. And it appears as if, that the person who was chosen to be the scalp, was someone who had nothing to do with any racial slurs, was not even in the student section when supposedly this happened. A mentally handicapped person who was well-known to come to these games, who we don't even know what the heck actually happened. Was somehow near the bench after the game, and the duke side identifies this person, supposedly as potentially the voice of somebody who had spewed some racial slur. And BYU bans this person supposedly for life. As I call them. A human sacrifice, being thrown into the PC volcano.
GLENN: It's really bad. It's really bad.
JOHN: I mean, it's unbelievable. Both sides deserve enormous blame for this. But this is one of the stories, Glenn, it's never going to get fixed. Because it's impossible to disprove, to prove a negative. How do you prove 1,000 percent that --
GLENN: You're not supposed to. In America, the person who makes the charge, is the one who has to prove it. You don't have to prove you're innocent. Somebody has to prove you're guilty. They had no description of the person. They couldn't tell you what the person looked like, what -- what they were even saying. When they identified this kid, if I'm not mistaken, they were saying it, because they said, that voice sounds like the voice we heard. Is that right?
JOHN: Right. See, I think this is where we come down to race and religion. Because we, now live in a world where right and wrong and, quote, unquote, truth is determined by how many PC points you have in your demographics. So we have a black female, who is alleging having been the victim of racism. You can't beat that. Unless she's gay. Then you get a few more points. But from a points standpoint, you can't beat it. And you're going up against it as white Mormons. So you have no chance. White straight Mormons have no chance against a black female, accusing the other side of racism. And, I mean, that sounds funny. It's partially funny. It's also reality. That's the way the media looks at this now. And once they get a narrative they like, Glenn, there's no going back. This woman is a hero. We have the script we like. Let's cut it. Print it. Move on. And it doesn't matter it's for a mentally challenged guy, that's been destroyed. It doesn't matter that BYU's reputation has been destroyed. It doesn't matter what the truth is. That's the world we're living in. It's really dangerous, it's really frustrating, and it's really sad.
GLENN: So I want to give you some tweets from this woman, quickly. I knew she was married to a white boy just reading this tweet. This is the godmother's responses to things. Before this incident, being married to a white woman, he thinks I can talk his stupid ass nonsense. You damn straight about that. White people being white. Why does CNN constantly interview these dumbass white women. I would expect nothing less from a pail white chick. You poor white MFers can't take it. White women and men always disappoint. Last night, chef's table, and these white people getting on to our last damn nerves. I mean, this is -- this woman is all about hatred of white people. And she is running in Tarrant County, Texas. That's Fort Worth. She's running for a judgeship. Her name is Lesa Pamplin. Right? Yeah. Lesa Pamplin, for judge.
This woman would be dangerous as a judge. I want to -- I want to take a quick break, John, one minute. I want to come back, and talk to you about ESPN. And how fast they ran to this story.
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All right. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. So the press -- I think the Cougar Chronicle, which is BYU paper, they were the first one to say, wait a minute, I don't think this is right. Weren't they?
JOHN: To my knowledge. I think myself, and Jason Whitlock has also done a great job, on this story. But, you know, I think, you know, we were trying very early to get at least to be safe, for the other side to say, wait a minute. And I think we were successful in doing that over the weekend.
GLENN: Yeah. Thank you. So tell me about ESPN. And talk radio, I mean, sorry, sports radio. Has completely gone off the rails.
JOHN: Oh, yeah. It's all woke nonsense. But ESPN deserves special mention here. And this is a great example of the sausage being made.
GLENN: We have about 45 seconds. Go ahead.
JOHN: Okay. So long story short. Holly Roe, who I thought was a good reporter. I've been in touch with her on the whole Penn State, Paterno, Sandusky fiasco that I've talked to you about many times before.
I tried to warn her about this story. I said, this is not right. You've got this wrong. And she goes, and interviews the -- this woman, the volleyball player. The interview itself proves nothing happened. Because there's no detail. No emotion. No anger. Nothing. And she completely buys in. And then instead of saying, John, tell me more. She blocks me on Twitter.
JOHN: Because she doesn't want to hear the truth. And this is one of ESPN's best reporters. This is the making of the sausage in 2022, and why journalism is dead, Glenn.
GLENN: John Ziegler. You can follow him at Zigmundfreud. John Ziegler. Thank you so much for being a part of the program. Back in just a second.