RADIOOctober 09, 2023

How should America REACT to Hamas, Iran TERRORIST attacks on Israel?

Israel has declared war fir the first time in 50 years after Hamas terrorists attacked multiple cities and slaughtered hundreds of Jews in an event that the nation is comparing to 9/11. But how did Israel not see this attack coming? Glenn and his head researcher, former military intelligence analyst Jason Buttrill, break down what we currently know: "This was an Iranian-backed, Iranian-planned, Iranian-coordinated plot." So, how should we take the fact that the Biden administration just gave Iran access to billions of dollars? And where will this war go from here? Glenn warns that Iran and Hamas are serious about destroying Israel. So, maybe Biden should reconsider how much of our military resources he's throwing at Ukraine.

Transcript

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GLENN: Fabian, a friend of mine from Israel wrote in. On the Sabbath, it felt like 1973 all over again. We woke up to the distant thunder of missiles and Iron Dome interoceptors. Something big was on. But our devices were off, because of Shabbat.

And so only our neighbors and the security services knew how big this was. We walked to morning prayers. Not halfway through the local border officer, interrupted the service, to say, an exceptional event was unfolding. And we should get the children inside the house. Terrorists had infiltrated in large numbers. And were moving through the countryside.

And we started seeing our friends and our neighbors, wearing green uniforms, instead of holiday white, heading off to serve.

The Sabbath, overridden by the need to protect life. One stopped, and told us to go home. In the afternoon, we heard machine guns over the horizon a cell must have want to be close. It is ugly. It's as ugly as it has ever been in my lifetime. We're in total shock. The same kind of shock in 1973. The same complete failure of intelligence, complete inadequacy of border protection systems. Utter shock of the burning tank this enemy couldn't defeat. It's the same enemy we thought.

That also, we thought they would never dare something like this.

It's 1948, the Independence War. Villages invaded. Residents slaughtered wherever they were found.

Here were also the same enemy as now, village streets are full of bodies.

Women and children massacred in their homes. Teenagers made to go door-to-door to get the residents to open their house, so they could all be killed, execution-style, more easily.

Hostages, including soldiers, but also once again women, children, grandmothers, taken to Gaza to faces God only knows what fate.

Shock is still profound. And anger, lots of it. Grief has started mixing in, as the funerals have started today. As a dad, my four children are still small. The youngest is six. The oldest is 11. My oldest boy is eight. So when I think about them. I thank God, we don't live near Gaza. My children are safe now. I have no illusions about what could happen to them, if Hamas got their hands on them. Proud of my children. They are scared. We don't show them the images. We don't let them listen to the news. But we also don't lie to them. The thunder over the horizon is not really thunder. And they know it.

They see the neighbors in uniforms leaving the village to go serve. They know there's a war on. They know we were attacked. They know hundreds are dead. They grasp at the level of a child. But they know it. We tell them the truth without gory details. And always accompanied with our advice to trust God and the IDF. But we do tell them the truth. We tell them that it's okay to be afraid. And the best way to deal with fear, is to not pretend it doesn't exist. Or that scary things don't. The best way is to look fear straight in the eyes, and tell them, we're bigger than it is.

It's not going to get the better of us. Lo and behold all of this actually seems to help. They are brave. They're patient. Well-behaved for the situation. Yes, they have nightmares. They're cupid up in a locked house for way too long. And that gets loud. But I'm proud of them. I'm a proud Israeli father. Glenn, thank you for your prayers. For what it's worth, you, your family, and America, are in my prayers, daily. America is in its own dark and ugly times of its own right now. Much of it, it seems by design, and it might get worse before it gets better. But I have hope. May God bless and keep you. Fabian.

Jason Buttrill, who is our chief researcher also was military intelligence, is here to tell us how did they get in, Jason?

JASON: Well, Glenn, it was a -- it was an unprecedented event. I would say, possible, but only impossible if it was just a few random terrorists within the Gaza Strip. But that's not what this was. This was an Iranian-backed, Iranian-planned, Iranian-coordinated plot to pull this off.

They came in from multiple areas, they came in from the sea. Boats from the sea. They came physiological paragliders through the air. And they came through a very coordinated and sophisticated attack from the land. They first used drones to knock out observation towers along the border. They then fired a barrage of rockets to distract, across the border. And then they went in with explosives, IEDs on the border fences.

I was in this exact same area, and some of the exact same towns that were hit the hardest, when we opened up our -- our -- our embassy in Israel. And the IDF spokesman then. He's been making several announcements over the past weekend, predicted this exact same thing.

He said, if we're not. If we do not respond the way they're responding, they will come into these areas. They will hit these towns.

That's exactly what they did, and it's absolutely insane that we're seeing the response that we're seeing from western governments today, offering just random support, even though why they do it in the background is they, you know, give funding to -- to Hamas through Palestine.

I mean, the -- the reactions and the way that they responded, has been actually atrocious.

And what we should be doing, is there was a blueprint for this, Glenn.

This did not have to happen. There was a blueprint for this to not happen.

It was the Abraham Accords.

It was exactly what the Trump administration had set forth. I saw the state department talking about recently, how there had been unprecedented peace.

Well, yeah. Of course there had been. Because there was a good plan to do this. But you abandoned it. You abandoned it when you started going back to Iran and incentivizing them, to do what they're doing now.

And it was absolutely insane, how we saw over the weekend.

You saw how Kirby, and the rest of the State Department, were trying to backtrack furiously.

And say, oh, no. The 6 billion we ave did nothing. It was in a secure account in Doha. It was for health aid and humanitarian aid.

Well, what do you think they will divert their funds to? Once they knew they didn't have to divert all the other money, the billions to medicine and food. What did you think they would devote that money to? Terrorist attacks. That's what they did.

It's shameful. It's absolutely shameful.

GLENN: By the way, here is Iran. Iran was having a military parade.

And it aired on channel one, in Iran.

We got this from memory TV. Cut three, please.

We have come here to tell the elder of Khomeini, that Israel will be raised from the face of the earth.

Death to Israel.

The officials of the Zionist regime make a mistake. The Islamic Republic will raise Tel Aviv and IFA to the ground!

This is very clear, and we're going to go into where this all comes from.

You know, I've been saying for years, that the next Holocaust will come from Iran. They are serious about raising Israel.

And vanishing, the Jew. Here's the Hamas leader to the Jews. Also, from memory.

This is airing now on television, all throughout the Middle East.

This is our call to our resistance to our West Bank. To our people.

You're resistance abroad. Our strategic allies. The sons of this nation.

Today is your day.

We are on the verge of victory. Let us be partners in creating this great victory.

In conclusion, we say to the enemy, that is making threats and going on a rampage, your threats, rampage and arrogance did not, will not help you. We say one thing: Get out of our land.

Get out of our faces. Get out of our Jerusalem, and our Al-Aqsa Mosque. We do not want to see you on this land.

This land is ours. Jerusalem is ours. Everything is ours.

So I think it's pretty clear. You know, what they want. And I don't think it's a two-state solution. Maybe people will listen. Now, these same people say different things. You know, when they're speaking in English.

But that's why we go to memory, which is a -- an organization, that translates, all of the news, into English. So you can read the subtitles, you know exactly what they're saying.

And they are very, very, very clear.

Here is cut five. Hamas, a commander calling for more attacks.

Listen to this. In light of the continuous crimes against our people, and in light of the occupation's rampage, and its disregard for international laws and resolutions. And in light of the American and western support of Israel and the international silence, we have decided to put an end to all of this, with the help of Allah.

So the enemy understands, that the time it could go on a rampage, without it being held accountable is over.

We declare the beginning of operation Al-Aqsa Deluge. To say to the young people in the West Bank from the various organizations: Today is your day to sweep out the occupiers, and their settlements.

From all of our lands and the West Bank, to make them pay the price for their crimes over the lean years. Organize your attacks on this settlements, with all your means at your disposal.

Torch the earth, under the feet of the plundering occupiers. Kill, burn, destroy, and shut down roads.

Make the cowardly occupiers understand that the Al-Aqsa Deluge is bigger than they think.

The day has come, when anyone who has a gun, should take it out.

Now is the time.

If you don't have a gun, take up your cleaver or your axe.

Molotov cocktail. Truck, tractor, or car.

They also go on to say, all of those who are living now in western lands, this leads to the question, how many people are here from Iran? From Hamas? From Hezbollah?

From anybody who wishes us ill?

We know the -- according to the Border Patrol, that 80 -- 80 people that were on our most wanted terrorist list, 80 have come across the border, that we caught.

How many are on the terrorist list, that we didn't catch?

We're going to -- you know, I thought about it this morning. This is -- I've always heard the phrase, you know, elections have consequences.

This is the most consequential election of my lifetime, 2020.

We have depleted all of our resources. Because we have Joe Biden in power. The world is on fire.

The -- the oil shortage, that is here.

The munitions shortage that we have.

Let me bring Jason back in, in one minute, to talk just about how are we going to respond?

And what could we possibly give them. Because we've given them so much already, in Ukraine.

This seems to be, in my opinion, exactly what the Soviet Union, what happened to them.

They're doing to us, what we did to the Soviet Union.

Can you play cut eight, as we go back to Jason?

This is the Palestinian supporter's march in New York City.

Then we have the Palestinian supporter's march in Europe.

Same thing.

Europe is in trouble. I think we're in trouble because we don't know who is -- who is here.

And how are we going to be able to fight on two fronts, if we were to get involved in any kind of war?

Jason.

JASON: Sorry. Seeing that is absolutely disgusting.

That's the equivalent of during the -- during the World War II, if we had known about what was happening to Jews. And then people marching in the streets of New York, parading and glorifying the Nazis. That is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

GLENN: And may I just say, the same thing is true.

Hitler said what he would do to the Jews. So does Hamas. So does Hezbollah. So does Iran. So does Syria.

They're very, very clear what they will do to the Jews. Kill them all.

JASON: Yeah. Believe them. Believe them when they say they will do this. Our response is going to be limited. I mean, we don't really have the resources to really respond. We've never really directly responded anyway. We've provided weapons. We've provided basically, you know, a big stick in the background, to wave it around and make sure that nobody else gets involved.

And that's what we will do here.

We will sit probably off the coast. With an aircraft carrier.

I think there's always one inbound. But we will hope that Iran doesn't directly get involved.

They're indirectly involved right now. Because they're using a proxy. They're using Hamas. They're using another group called Palestinian Islamic Jihad. They're using those groups within the Gaza Strip to wage this war. That's what they're doing now.

Will they directly get involved? That's the question right now. And that's when we'll step in. I hope that does not happen.

But I don't -- I don't want to be like every other western analyst that is looking for this.

I've been trained in the same way, that they have, to look at this.

They never account for the wild card. They never account for the crazy man. They never account for the Hitler.

That's what we're looking for with Hitler right now. There is a wild card. Don't be fooled in thinking, this is not deeply religious. This is deeply religious. This is not about geopolitics with Israel. That's like what's so drastically different, than say something like Ukraine. This is drastically different.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

How to Find God in a Divided World | Max Lucado & Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

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Bill O'Reilly predicts THIS will be Charlie Kirk's legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

Transcript

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

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Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.