RADIOSeptember 10, 2024

Liz Wheeler: Trump must EXPOSE these RADICAL Kamala Harris plans

BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ joins Glenn Beck with her predictions for the ABC News debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Does Kamala want to appear as a “girl boss” taking on a white, patriarchal bully? How should Trump counter this? Liz advises Trump to focus on how radical Harris is, despite what she claims on the campaign trail: highlight her record on things like abortion, child gender surgeries, the military and foreign wars, and the economy.

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GLENN: Liz Wheeler. How are you?

LIZ: Hi, I'm well. Thanks for having had me.

GLENN: You're welcome. You're welcome. So I guess I will start with where Stu started with me this morning. Are you optimistic?

LIZ: I'm so excited for this debate.

GLENN: Are you really?

LIZ: Yes. I'm a political nerd. I just love this stuff.

I know it's a circus. It's a clown show.

It seems like a culmination of what we fight for every day. We finally have two people that are representing polar opposite viewpoints for our country.

Different paths. And I'm rooting for Trump.

I think he can win. But I think one of the most important thing he has to do is understand his enemy. If you know your enemy, then you will be able to tweet them. And he has to be very self-aware that Kamala Harris will be this girl boss. Girl power. She will try to provoke him emotionally.

And he has to be able to let that roll off his back.

GLENN: So what do you mean, she will be the girl boss, girl power?

LIZ: Remember when she was debating Mike Pence during the last round, and she goes, excuse me, Vice President, I'm speaking?

Why do you think this time, her team, insisted that the mics be left open. Remember, the first debates?

Between Trump and Biden. The mics were muted. So you could only speak during your allotted time, otherwise no one would be able to hear you. All of a sudden, she had agreed to this.

Then last week, her team said, we want the mics open. Why?

So she could run these, quote, unquote, fact-checks in realtime.

She can say, you're lying, I'm speaking. And make it seem like he's this white patriarchal male, who is trying to be a bully to her as a woman of color.

GLENN: Right.

I think if he handle this is debate, exactly the same way, he handled it the way with Joe Biden.

He will do really well.

LIZ: Yes. He did very well with Joe Biden.

Because he was so disciplined with his message.

See, this is the thing. Kamala Harris is a radical. She is not moderate. She's not centrist. She shouldn't appeal to independents. She is a radical leftist. A Marxist. Her father was a Marxist. Is a Marxist.

Economics professor.

And Donald Trump should highlight that.

He has all the facts on his side.

She had been in the White House for four years thousand.

Her record is Joe Biden's record.

GLENN: Well, I don't know if you heard the news today.

But her policy page is Joe Biden's policy page.

How do you do that?

LIZ: It's like a gift to the Trump campaign.

GLENN: Oh, it absolutely is.

LIZ: She will come out and pretend to be a prosecutor. She will ask him pointed question after pointed question without --

GLENN: Yeah, she will call him a felon.

LIZ: Yes, and you know what she should do?

If she calls him a felon. Because she's going to -- that's polled well for them. He should say, Madam Vice President, do you agree with the Supreme Court ruling, that the vaccine mandate that came from the Biden/Harris administration was illegal? If she says she agrees with the Supreme Court, then she is acknowledging that she was a tyrant. Trying to violate all of our medical freedoms. And if she says no, I think the Supreme Court is wrong. Then she's saying, she thinks it's illegal to do that.

When you want to talk about crime -- a visceral response that people are going to have to a crime committed against them, he should pivot to the topic that's important for the viewers to understand. He's never going to change Kamala's mind on mind.

That's not the point. The point is to showcase the American people, what she is.

GLENN: You know, you've started with saying. And I've wanted this for a long time.

If we're going to talk about communism. We're going to talk about truly changing the economy.

Changing the Constitution.

All the things that the world economic four up until has been doing.

Along with the Biden Harris thing.

Then let's have that -- let's that have conversation, honestly. You know.

And we do have, literally, a communist.

She -- what she is preparing, is communism.

And her dad loves that stuff. So she grew up steeped in all of this stuff.

But she won't admit it. That's the problem.

LIZ: No, but her track record shows it. So all Trump has to do is remember one question. Every time she makes an assertion, he should say, what does that mean?

He should say it rhetorically. He shouldn't give her back the microphone. He says, I'm going to be tough on the border. What does that mean?

During the past four years, when you were in the White House and had control of this, as the border czar, which was acknowledged by the United States Congress after Biden appointed you to that position, eight and a half million illegal aliens cross the border. So when you say you will be tough on the border, is that your definition of tough on the border, or did you fail when you had a chance at this job?

GLENN: She is going to say, we have greatly stopped the flow of --

KAMALA: I hope she does, because that will turn people off.

Because people have Haitian migrants eating ducks in their front yard in Springfield, Ohio. They won't believe her when she says, everything is hunky-dory.

GLENN: Yeah, I don't -- tell me this.
I said to Stu yesterday, that I'm actually becoming more and more optimistic about this election.

Because things are getting so bad.

KAMALA: Yeah.

GLENN: That the average person. I mean if you're -- you're a stay at home mom. If you're a mom, you are worried about your kids getting to and from school. Even in California.

Where now the immigrants are just staying at the bus stop.

Standing there with your kids. And if the bus sees a bunch of immigrants there.

Because they're trying to get on the buses. If they see them, they just blow on by. They won't pick your kid up.

So now your kid is left at the bus stop, with illegals, because the bus driver does not want to stop. You have your -- every day, you're going in, and you're fighting against prices.

The rate of the rise of inflation. Has slowed down.

But they keep saying that, you know, inflation is -- is falling.

No. The rate of how -- the rate of how -- of going up. Has slowed down.

But we're still 20 to 23 percent inflation, compared to when Trump was in office.

GLENN: That's all he has to say.

He just has to say. My fellow Americans. How much are you paying for groceries right now?

What was your grocery bill last week? How much did it cost you to fill up your tank of gas, the last time you filled up at the gas station?

And then he says, and how much did it cost when I was president?

And if Kamala Harris says, I will impose price controls, or some other Communist measure for the food industry. That's her general idea. Which showcases exactly what she is. He just has to say, well, do you support continuing to send US dollars to Ukraine. Because that's what's causing inflation.

She will say, yes. This is a fight against Putin. He's a tyrant. Blah, blah, blah. After she finishes her spiel, Trump just says, okay. So what I'm hearing you say, is, yes, you want to continue to spend American dollars in Ukraine.

Which means you're saying to the American people, you don't care how much their gas and groceries cost.

I do care. And I've proved that. Because when I was in the White House, people had a very different life, than when you were in the White House.

GLENN: Yes. When it comes up to Ukraine. I mean, right now, Afghanistan is on everybody's mind again because it was the anniversary.

And that was such a disaster. And now, we are -- we are openly praising Ukrainians for their drone attacks on Moscow.

We would never put a -- if Canada became an enemy, and Russia was sending drones over. And military equipment.

And they were -- they were bombing with drones. New York or Washington, DC.

We would not put up with it.

They're not going to put up with it either.

And you can't -- how is she going to make the case, that we are safer today?

Again, I go back to the mom, worried about her kids.

I don't want to send my kids to war.

I don't want our world to be at war. I'm also, I don't want drag queens in my -- at my school, you know, for my kids.

All of these things are so much worse.

That I just think that, when people close the curtain, this time around, they are going to reflect. Do I want more of this?

GLENN: Right. This is why I encourage President Trump to stay on message. Because if you get into the weeds on the personal stuff, as entertaining as that might be for us to watch for a moment, the average American wants to talk about how things impacted them. That's classic politics.

So with the war in Ukraine. Yes. You can talk about these hypothetical war plans. The truth of the matter is, Kamala is dragging us to the bring of war. She's arguably the one who started this war, by saying Ukraine could be part of NATO.

That was, what? A month before Russia invaded Ukraine.

There's no doubt, that there was a correlation between those comments and the onset of this war. She is a warmonger. She wants to continue this.

And then she wants to draft our daughters and send them to the war. Tell that to the average suburban mom. I have two young daughters. The idea that Kamala Harris could send them off to war, enrages me.

GLENN: I have an 18-year-old daughter. That could be drafted, I guess, under her, if we went into a war. That is --

LIZ: It's unacceptable.

GLENN: And there's no Canada for my son to run to. But I would have to have some place for my son and daughter to run to.

They will not serve in a war with these people. They won't. I, as a dad would say, do not do it. Where do we have you go to?

LIZ: And it's a very frightening prospect in our country. We shouldn't be in a situation where we feel like we have to run away from our country, otherwise our children --

GLENN: Yeah. I have never felt that way. Never. Under any president.

LIZ: I have not either. And I'm a newer parent than you are. My oldest is three and a half.

But my idea that I'm already having to think about all these different ways to protect her, from the left trying to get her. Whether trying to indoctrinate her on abortion.

I actually had last year. It was not this past November, but the November before. I had a debate with the local school board member, outside the polls. I was walking in and carrying my daughter on my hip. And the school board member, or this candidate I knew was very leftist. And she wanted to talk about her policies. And I was like, sure. I enjoy this a little bit.

And I said to her, do you believe in teaching trend-setter ideology to children? And she goes, oh, we need to be inclusive. I held up my daughter who I don't use for political props. But she was just there with me voting. And I said, so if my 2-year-old at the time, said she wanted to be a boy, you would transition her behind my back? And essentially, she said yes. And I said, evil. That's evil. That's what we're fighting against. People who will say that to your face.

GLENN: I know.

LIZ: President Trump should bring that up.

GLENN: You know, it's amazing what they will say to our face. And then what they say is a conspiracy theory. That they always turn out now, to be absolutely accurate. And they eventually admit it. Yes. Okay.

That is true. The things that they say to our face, are frightening enough. When somebody is unclear with you, in this administration, you should be terrified.

And I don't know why people continue to listen to liars. You know, Donald Trump exaggerates. He exaggerates.

I don't know. I mean, I can't think of anything. Of any importance, that he has exaggerated or lied about.

Can you think of anything that he lied about?

STU: For example, we talked about a couple of times. When he was saying, no. No one opposed Roe vs. Wade being overturned. Right?

Now, what he's talking about there is clearly there were, a lot of people on the left, legal scholars who did think it was bad law. So he is summarizing a legitimate situation by overstating it.
GLENN: Yes. Correct. Correct.

LIZ: It's like a general -- a hyperbolic generalization on a lie. I'm not trying to justify or be precise. But there is a difference.

GLENN: Yeah. There is a difference. And especially when you know you're lying.

You know, it's one thing to say this, and, you know. And he said, there are fine people on both sides.

No. At this point, you are engaging in evil, because you know exactly what you're doing.

That is exact opposite of what he said. And they just. I guess people just are -- they're either numb to it. Or they hopefully are waking up, and going, you know what, these people have given me this crap, in my -- in my home. In my bank account. And with -- in my city.

I can't trust them anymore. I don't -- I mean, I just can't keep doing it.

LIZ: Right. And obviously, Kamala is responsible for her own lies. But the institution that is responsible for allowing her to be a liar is the mainstream media. And that's what I would advise President Trump.

He shouldn't come off as a bully. There is the idea that if you have a man and a woman on stage, and the man is being harsh, there are a lot of women, who will interpret that as being a bullying demeanor.

Whether or not it's true, that's simply the reality of how people perceive things. And so he should say, what does that mean? When she says a lie.

Because here are the statistics that show that that's not true. And say, I don't know why you're not -- but to deceive the American people. But this is why -- this is a good example of the damage that happens when the mainstream runs interference for you. Because you shouldn't be on the stage if you're not going to tell a truth. But that should have been weeded out years ago by media actually doing their job and asking questions, about why you were contradicting your actions.

GLENN: All right. Back in just a second. We're with Liz Wheeler. I want to talk to you, Liz, about abortion. How should he handle? Because that's her big thing.

She's in the evil territory.

LIZ: She's not just pro-choice. She's pro-abortion.

GLENN: Oh, yeah, and she's almost Malthusian. You know, when you're willing to go, well, let the baby die after birth. That's a problem.

LIZ: It's child sacrifice.

GLENN: Yeah. It is.

So how should he handle abortion? Because she's going to lie and say, he wants to take all of your rights away. Which he doesn't. But he -- he has to say, what he actually believes. But he also can't piss off his own core, because he already is --

LIZ: He did.

GLENN: Yeah. He's already pissed them off. So he doesn't need to make it worse. How does he respond to that?

LIZ: It depends on how she brings it up. I'm more pro-life than Donald Trump. I'm a pro-life absolutist, and I encourage Donald Trump and everyone to be the same.

I acknowledge the reality that he is not. My advice to him would be to start out by praising life. Say, life is precious. Life is wonderful. I have five children. I have however many grandchildren. They have been the biggest blessings of my life. And I want to ensure that women across our country and American families, I want to make abortion unthinkable. I want to change the culture so that life is something that we value. I want to us think, who might this young girl or young boy be?

And I want to make it financially possible, I want people to feel financially secure and emotionally supported when they face these surprise pregnancies.

I believe that life begins at conception. I know he's unlikely to say that. Because he talks often about thinking abortion is okay through six weeks. I obviously disagree with that. But I encourage him to follow the science.

He always talks about following the heart. If he truly spends some time and reflection, I think he should be based.

I think he should say, abortion is wrong. Abortion is sad. Abortion ends the life of an unborn baby, who had potential and a future. And it harms women, it harms families. It harms our country. I don't want that.

And he should make it a generally positive message, without sacrificing the value of the dignity of life.

GLENN: Can he go in to, you know, she wants -- she wants abortion after birth?

CAORL: Oh, of course, he should highlight. He, of course, should highlight just how radical she is.

I mean, this is one of the most radical politicians in our country on abortion, if not the most.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. She's almost Margaret Sanger.

LIZ: Probably more so, because Margaret Sanger at the beginning didn't support late-term abortion or after-birth abortion.

GLENN: That's true. That's true.

LIZ: Kamala Harris does.

And he should highlight, that she's out of step with the American people. Even women who identify as pro-choice, 80 percent of Americans, including pro-choice women want late-term abortion to be banned.

Sixty percent want late-term abortion should be banned. He should highlight that he stands with the majority of America. And that she -- she does not.

And he certainly should highlight that the CDC says between 13 and 30,000 times a year, late-term abortions happen. That's awful.

GLENN: Liz Wheeler. She'll be joining us tonight for our live coverage of the debate on Blaze TV.

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Max Lucado & Glenn Beck: Finding unity in faith

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Bill O'Reilly predicts THIS will be Charlie Kirk's legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
(laughter)
So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Shocking train video: Passengers wait while woman bleeds out

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.