RADIOApril 14, 2023

'A 21-year-old kid CAN'T do this': Only TWO WAYS pentagon leaker could have gotten documents?

The FBI has found the 21-year-old Air National Guardsman who allegedly leaked classified documents from the Pentagon. But should he have even been able to access these documents? Glenn's head researcher and former DoD intelligence analyst Jason Buttrill joins him to explain just how odd this situation is, how this kid could have accessed these top secret documents off the JWICS system, and whether he would have needed help: "A 21-year-old kid CAN'T do this."

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GLENN: Jason joins us. Jason is the head of research for the broadcasts, that I do. And also, the -- the guy who watches over, you know, global problems that have anything to do with the military.

STU: And the guy who has the most illegal search history in the entire company.

GLENN: In the entire company.

STU: And that includes Jeffy.

GLENN: Yeah. You know, it's really scary, when you say, when you research something, and you about it by his office, sitting there, darkroom. You're like it's okay. (?) I think I'm finding some really good stuff. That's probably not the right words. Good stuff on the dark web. Anyway, Jason is here, because yesterday the FBI arrests the National Guardsmen linked to the Pentagon classified documents link. Now, I saw the pictures from the sky. Can we -- let's see if they match what I saw.

Because it didn't look like the FBI. That looked a lot like Army people.

STU: Oh, yeah. The vehicles certainly.

GLENN: The vehicles are. Now, when they were walking out, they had like four rifles.

They were all in the camo. Is that how our FBI dresses now?

Do we just -- are all norms gone? Now, I have to hand it to our FBI.

Because this is -- this could have been anybody. Anybody in the world!

They found him. They found him this quickly. Congratulations. Now, they still didn't know who leaked the Dobbs decision. And there's only 12 suspects there. But I'm sure they're working on it. I'm sure they're working on it. Now, I brought Jason in, because, Jason, you were in -- and I hate to say it, military intelligence. And you were in military intelligence. So you know this stuff.

JASON: Yeah.

GLENN: So tell us what he was accused of doing, according to the New York Times.

JASON: So there was that badge of classified documents that ended up on a Discord servers, which gamers use to talk to each other while they play games.

But it was on this Discord server, and somehow it went from the Discord server to eventually getting leaked out on to Telegram. Places like that.

GLENN: My first thought, when I saw this break yesterday, he's 21 years old, he's a National Guardsman. And he has access to these kinds of top secret documents. How is that possible?

JASON: So these kinds is very important to this story. When you look at the classified documents. And, yes, I have a copy of the classified documents. I mean, I don't have a copy of the classified documents. We didn't do! Somewhere Merrick Garland is laughing right now. Finally!

JASON: Yeah. Go, go. On these top secret documents, (?) their special access programs. Sensitive compartmentalized information. So what that means, there's top secret. And above that, if you get cleared, there's (?) you are read into certain things.

Just because you have a top secret clearance, blinds.com to be (?) in there somewhere.

You can't search for that stuff.

GLENN: Wait a minute. So he had access to the computer link?

JASON: Yeah. It's come out on the New York Times. (?) last night, the New York Times said, that he pulled this information off of something called Jay wicks. That stands for joint worldwide intelligence (?) communication system.

GLENN: Okay.

JASON: So basically what that is, that is an internet service provider. It's like, if you have internet (?)

GLENN: So it's -- it's a secure line.

JASON: Exactly.

GLENN: It's not a machine or anything. You plug your computer into a secure line.

JASON: Exactly. You can call on it. You can send email on it. Same as he pulled it off Jay wicks. It's like, Glenn, if you have (?) Verizon (?) can I have a little more context there. Was he surfing for it on the indecenter pap so a Jay wicks is just a system.

GLENN: So (?) candy assassination. (?) and it pops up the information. Classified details in Ukraine.

JASON: No. No, oops glycolytic some context. (?)

GLENN: Oh, they're already here.

JASON: Let's look out there.

STU: They park out front. They're just kind of outside.

JASON: I have a fast vehicle.

GLENN: I'm auto record saying this. I have nothing to do with this. (?) no.

Jason has worked for me for years. And has never, ever -- not that you have a bunch of stuff. But you have never divulged any kind of classified information, in any aspect of anybody's life.

JASON: And also the system is designed, so that I really can't. The system is designed, so that a 20-year-old enlisted kid can't get his hands on everything and anything.

It's designed that way. But what you were describing, going to (?) Intel link is basically, that's the internet, right?

Or that's basically the computers that are all linked together. I guess it's more better to describe it as an Intranet. There's a place to click on. (?)

GLENN: Is there a Wikipedia?

JASON: There is. There is a Wikipedia. It's called intel pedia. That's for top secret nerds to build (?) wait. So will this National Guardsman. He is with the (?) he is 21 years old.

Would we have access to intel pedia?

JASON: Yes. He would be able to access intel pedia. I had a top secret (?) I would be able to go into the skiff. The facility where this stuff is at.

And I could get on to one of these terminals. That's hooked up to Jay wicks. And I could go into Intel pedia,if I want to.

The information is broad there. It's a bunch of nerds (?)

GLENN: It's not these documents.

JASON: No, no, no. It's not. Here are the locations of every (?) that would be SEI or sap.

Meaning, you have to be read into that. You have to have a special login to send that to and from terminals on the Jay wicks. Oops I don't know. The Capitol Police were disgorge just happened to walk out on the room, and it was there on the screen. Any way to get and recently

Could he print it or take a picture of it?

JASON: He could take a picture of it on the computer. Bought that's not what happened. He printed it (?)

GLENN: You couldn't print it off in the skiff.

JASON: You could. But there would be a record that somebody printed that off in the skiff.

STU: One of the many ways they were able to identify this guy supposedly, was that he printed them off, brought them home, put them on the counter. And you could see, it was the same (?) the counter in his kitchen.

GLENN: Right. And there was a reflection of the room and things like that. Again, can't find the secretary of one of the 12 justices that leaked that.

STU: No. It's impossible. Oops found out athat he had the reflection of his furniture in his room.

JASON: See, this is the way the system worked back when I was in. I heard they were trying to modernize the Jay wicks system. (?)

GLENN: Oh, okay. (?) just leave it open.

JASON: Right. Well, I was thinking, from what they were saying, they were trying to make it more restrictive from when I was in. It was going to be cloud-based. (?) what really irritated me about the New York Times piece last night, is they didn't ask any of these questions. They were given an acronym.

And even the acronym meant, just pull off Jay wicks.

GLENN: Okay.

Hang on. Why would the New York Times feel the need to ask the government any questions?

JASON: Especially when they were probably given it.

GLENN: We will ask the questions here.

They seemed to have trusted their government sources for everything. And been burned every time, as we find out it's false. Why would -- these questions.

JASON: Yeah. It was almost (?) they were given a piece of paper, and print this. That's the way it felt to me. If I'm at the New York Times, and actually curious about getting to the bottom of this. (?) okay. He got it off Jay wicks.

Where was it at in Jay wicks? Was it in an email, and-something (?) was he reading someone's email?

Did someone send him an ice mail, and his information was on at a?

GLENN: Definitely not an (?) FBI agent. Whatever I say, not an FBI agent.

Justice Department has nothing to do with it.

JASON: I will say (?) I'll just put that out there.

STU: So does the DOJ.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

JASON: I'm just wondering. (?)

GLENN: And have you come back. Have you figured out any way that this could be done by this kid.

What are the most likely scenarios?

Because if you're telling us, you can't just log in. And he wouldn't have the ability to just log in, and get this kind of information.

What would he have to have? Or how is the most likely way it would have happened?

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Now, they're saying, this guy is stationed at the National Guard base, as a cyber transport systems journeyman. What the hell is that?

JASON: I have no idea. That's Air Force.

GLENN: He held the highest level security clearance, granted by the government, to review top secret information.

JASON: SEI. Top secret as he EI.

GLENN: So he would have (?)

JASON: He would be able to look at that.

GLENN: But he wouldn't be able to search for it or look for it.

It would have to have been -- he would have to know where it was. Because I'm guessing. I'm trying to understand this -- in people terms. But I don't know anybody who has actually been on the dark web, except you.

So when you own the dark web (?) you have to know what you're looking for, right?

JASON: People have built web pages on the dark web (?)

GLENN: And is there a list of links on this thing?

JASON: Kind of like the Intranet. So he could go on that. Look on Intel pedia,if he wanted to. But (?) there's no search function for that. So you couldn't just be like, hydrogens going to go on this site on (?) Jay and moaning me before, what's the most likely scenario? Either someone else's email is up. I'm just theorize oops (?) which would be highly unlikely, right?

JASON: Unless they're completely incompetent, which is a possibility. If so, I want to know about that, someone should ask that. Or someone could have sent him an ICE email that he shouldn't have received. That could be possible as well.

GLENN: Would there be a record of that?

JASON: It should be. There will be a record of that.

GLENN: So when they arrest him, and they're printing him as the guy, is there any way for that to be true, that he is the only one involved in this? As far as getting the information.

JASON: It's possible he was the only one involved in wanting to steal this information. So like I said, if somebody else's mistake allowed him to do this. But that needs to be looked into.

So that's one option. The other option was someone was feeding him information. I want to know who that person is as well. That is the only two scenarios that I can think of, that makes sense.

The way classified information makes sense. It's set up to where a 21-year-old kid can't do it.

There has to be somewhere, where there are mistakes, where protocols can't be followed.

We have to know about that.

GLENN: So here's the thing that bothered me from the get-go. When we know who this guy is. Yesterday, when we said, we know who that guy is, but we won't tell you who it is.

And the opening paragraph of the story was, he's a guy who loves God and guns. And he's with a bunch of guys on the internet with God and guns.

And I thought, wow. Wow. That's an interesting -- what a great, sweet deal. And that story was followed by Biden saying, this is why we need to have more monitoring of all websites.

JASON: Off a. That's coming.

GLENN: Right (?) so, I mean, I would have never said five years ago, eight years ago, would have never said, this smells like a setup. This smells like -- only because of everything else that's going on.

For instance, we got the guy who discovered the pipe bomb. Okay?

The first guy that discovered the January into just. Cop. Okay? He's been arrested. He's going to jail.

Why? Because he told someone, hey, man. You should remove that from Facebook.

Well, I know people who know people who are at January 6th. And they were like, what are you doing? Don't post that. Take that Facebook. Not that they're doing anything.

But when is it a crime when you say, Newsweek?

We haven't found the guy who left the bomb. But the guy who discovered -- the cop who discovered the bomb. And then later told somebody else, hey, you should take that off of Facebook.

He's arrested and going to jail.

Now, as a movie writer, I would say, that that's a great setup for, he knows something. Shut him up.

Am I wrong? As a movie writer.

Am I wrong on that.

JASON: No, nn, no. But look how (?) everyone mobilized to figure this out, in what, a matter of days?

GLENN: Days. Days.

JASON: And it was the media that actually broke it. The media figured it out before the fed did, that's what it felt like.

GLENN: And that's weird. Because that would be internal sources. And we know what internal sources have fed us through the media before. Nothing, but lies.

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Glenn Beck and Eric Metaxas expose the spiritual crisis gripping America’s churches — a moment they compare to Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s warning before World War II. As the culture descends into moral confusion, too many Christians retreat into silence, claiming faith while refusing to act. Together, they argue that true belief demands courage — that “faith without works is dead” — and warn that neutrality in the face of evil is itself a form of complicity.

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Is Socialism replacing the American dream?

The American Dream used to mean freedom and the chance to build your own life through hard work, faith, and independence. But today, it’s been replaced by comfort, consumption, and debt. Glenn Beck breaks down how America traded liberty for lifestyle, why socialism is gaining ground, and what it will take to reclaim the real American Dream before it disappears for good.

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GLENN: I don't know if you saw the visualizing the American dream, Stu.

You know, what the American dream actually is, is that you can forge your own way.

You can -- you know, you can have a scrap of land, and grow your own food if up.

You can, you know, go to school. Not go to school.

You can find a job. If you're qualified for it, you have an equal chance of getting it, you know, based on merit.

But the percentage of Americans who say the American dream is retirement is 86 percent. Health care, 86 percent. Owning a home, 85. Raising two kids, 78. Owning a car, 72. Vacations, 71. Pets, 66. A wedding, 55 percent. That's the American dream, I can get married.

The American dream, if that's what you think, they've now estimated, the cost per household over the cost -- over the lifetime, retirement is $1.6 million. Owning a home now, 30-year mortgage, 20 percent you want to, is $957,594. Owning a car, buying and finance to begin with new cars every ten years is now $900,000 over your lifetime. Raising two kids to 18, plus four years of public college, $876,092. Two kids. Health care, over your lifetime, spending from ages 22 to 85, $414,000. Vacations, annual vacation from '22 to '85, $180,000. One dog and one cat for 11 to 13 years is $40,000!

That's more expensive than a wedding. The engagement ring, the ceremony, and the reception is now estimated to be $38,200.

There's a reason socialism is doing well. You look at that, and you're like, wow. I mean, if that's the American dream. And for a lot of people, that is the American dream!

That's not what the American dream is supposed to be, but, you know, once -- you know, once Woodrow Wilson and FDR got a hold of us and they started advertising, it became stuff instead of freedom. It became stuff. And, you know, when there's a new report out. Let me see if I have that.

There's a new report out now that shows, first time home buyers made up just 21 percent of the home purchases. That's the lowest on record.

The typical age of repeat buyers hit an all-time high of '62. The median downtowns, reaching 23 percent.

The highest since 2023.

And also, where is it?

The last one is -- the median age for first time home buyers, in 1981, it was 29 years old.

I'm sorry. Yeah. Twenty-nine years old. In 2021, it was 33 years old.

What is it this year?

Median age, first time homeowner, forty.

You're 40 before you can buy any kind of home. That puts these things that people want, dream about, out of reach, until you're 40?

You know, 29 is one thing. But if you're not seeing -- you're not seeing your life really kind of settling down until you're 40, I -- I can understand why you're like, you know what, this system doesn't work.

Because you've never seen it work. It's betrayed you.

Or so you've been sold. It's betrayed you.

And everything is being pushed out of your reach. And when you're young, the one thing you're not is patient.

And at 40, I can see why people are not, you know, yeah. Well, socialism is neat because capitalism isn't working. How would you respond to that?

STU: I mean, it's more lengthy than we have time for. But I would say that the response to, you know, you thinking that you want a home is not to embrace an ideology that murders 100 million people.

That's not -- that's not a good answer to the problem that you think you have.

GLENN: But they're not learning that anywhere.

They're not -- that is our responsibility! To teach those things. Because they're not learning it anywhere.

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GLENN: From New Jersey, it's Brian. Hello, Brian.

CALLER: Hello!

GLENN: Hey.

CALLER: Yeah. Thanks for taking the calls today.

GLENN: Sure.

CALLER: Yeah. I'm worried that we are headed towards another French Revolution-style because we have entire generations. Or actually people just not being heard by their representatives.

GLENN: Hmm.

CALLER: And it's not just here. It's around the world.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

I -- actually, I had scheduled for this time, I'll just do it some other time. Talking about what's happening in -- in England.

I think England is headed for a Civil War. And -- and it's very close.

I mean, you can't put 4,000 people. 4,000 people, in jail, or try them for hate crimes. And speech crimes.

You can't -- you can't do it. In England!

You can't do that in one year. And expect people to just put up with it!

You can't -- you know, we're -- we're -- America doesn't understand yet.

The world doesn't understand.

We're in World War III. We're already in World War III.

I don't know when it becomes a hot war. Or even a war that we on our side recognize. But we are in World War III. And that -- that foe is not China.

That foe is militant Islam, period. And, you know, when we have a situation to where people are -- when the government is just like, no. It's not a problem.

It's not a problem. You know. You've got illegals all over.

It's not a problem.

It's not a problem.

It is a problem. Don't tell me what -- what the problems are not!

Because we're the ones living it!

You're the experts, who keep telling us, no. It's going to work out fine.

And it doesn't work out fine. And it just gets worse and worse.

Oh. We can spend this money. No. It looks like we can't spend this money. Oh, we can afford this. No. It looks like we can't afford this.

You know, if we do this with Ukraine, it will work out fine. No, it didn't, did it? These endless wars, all of this stuff, don't tell me what the problem is. Listen to the people and start talking to the people. Honestly, this is the reason why I'm doing this today. I -- I need to hear from you.

I need to know what's on your mind, so I stay focused and -- and clear on what America is saying.

Because I don't think -- look, you know, me taking phone calls is -- is not a true representation of anything, but it does give me a sense of -- of where you are, as an audience. Maybe not as America, but as an audience. And there are lots of things that concern me. But I want to hear it from you.
But I think you're right! We're headed for real, real trouble. All you need is real economic trouble.

You start getting real, true economic trouble. 1930s kind of depression stuff. And we're in Civil War.

Dan, Oregon. Welcome!

CALLER: Hello, Glenn. How are you?

GLENN: I'm great!

CALLER: Yeah. Good. It's been a long time.

I guess it's been over ten years, since I've had a chance to talk with you. I was one of your first insiders. I was listening to you, since you were in Florida.

GLENN: Wow. Wow.

CALLER: So it's been a long -- yeah. It has been. And I can't say I've enjoyed all of it.
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GLENN: Neither have I!

STU: I can't say that either, I'll be honest with you.

CALLER: You know, you were talking on yesterday's show, reminiscing with Stu about how you guys started. And I remember those old shows. And, you know, at the end of the -- the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Right.

CALLER: And there was a lot more entertainment. I remember I laughed a lot.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. I know. I know. Those days are long dead.
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STU: There's nothing to laugh about now.

CALLER: Yeah. I -- I'm 78. I still work 40 hours a week. I love my job.

GLENN: Good for you.

CALLER: Been married for 55 years. I have seven kids.

GLENN: Good for you.

CALLER: I've got a daughter -- I've got a daughter who is in her 40s. And she has severe TDS. She -- we don't -- I mean, we're not cutting each other off. She hasn't done that at all. We're still very close as a family. But she was down visiting the other day, and got into a conversation with my wife. And I wasn't in the room. But Kathy said it was just like listening to one of those young people out on the street that was being interviewed by the news media. And she was -- and she was in tears about it. My wife and my daughter both.

And, I mean, I love her, and I continue to support her. She's a single woman, not by choice. She just never found the right guy.

GLENN: Yeah.

CALLER: And I really think that's part of the problem. Because she started reading -- back when Trump was first running, she started reading all of this stuff about him being misogynistic and all of this stuff.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER: And it's just gotten worse. I -- I'm at a loss. I really am. Because I -- like, I see the country doing better. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. But I still feel like that at least right now, we're doing better as a whole. But what do we do about -- what do we do about our kids about -- she went to Portland State University for the last two --

GLENN: Oh, jeez, for the love of --

CALLER: Well, yeah. For the last two years, she went to -- she went to a little college in Idaho called Ricks for the first two years, and Utah State.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

CALLER: And then she served a mission for our church in Brazil and came home, but then she went to Portland State University. And it just seems to have gone downhill from there.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. So, Dan, I think you are suffering from the same thing that almost all parents are suffering from. If you're not suffering from this, then, I mean, God bless you. You know, get on your knees and thank God. Because you are a lucky, lucky family. Everybody has in their family. I have it in my family.

And you have to ask yourself, what is your goal?

My -- what is your goal with your daughter? Your real goal?

CALLER: My real goal is for us to be united eternally. That's my goal. That's my goal as a father and has been to teach her --

GLENN: And how -- and how is that going to happen with politics?

CALLER: We just stay together as a family regardless of what politics does.

GLENN: That's exactly right. Exactly right.

I think we're in a place now where as parents, you can ask your kids, but it has to be honest. It cannot be trying to win. It has to be honest. How did you get there?

I mean, I remember. You know, we've talked about this before. And you didn't believe that before. What has changed?

Can you help me with that?

I would like to see what you're reading, or what that was.

And just ask questions. But they have to be honest. They can't be, you know, because I'm setting you up. Because I want to change your mind.

But keep a dialogue open with them. And just love them!

Just love them!

Because if you do anything else, you're going to drive them away. And then they're really lost. So just love them.

CALLER: Oh, I know that. Glenn, when she was young -- when she was young, I considered her one of the elect. And the Scripture says, that in the last days, even the elect are going to be deceived. And that's what I'm seeing. But everything you've said, I -- I am doing. I'm doing it that way. Because I know --

GLENN: Okay. Good. Then you didn't need to -- I appreciate it. I'm so glad you called me. But you didn't need to -- my advice, you already have it down. You're a very wise man.