RADIOJune 23, 2025

Everything UNUSUAL about the Minnesota lawmaker shooting

Was the man who allegedly killed a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband and wounded another couple a Republican or Democrat? Did he support Trump, as some reports claim? Blaze News investigative reporter Joseph Hanneman joins Glenn Beck to reveal just how weird and unusual this story is: “The more we learn about him, the less this entire thing makes sense.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Joe, welcome to the program. How are you?

JOE: Thanks for having me, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. It's great to have you. You used to work for the Epic Times. And you guys, I think you tear it up over there.

Really, some good reporting over there. You also cowrote and appeared in three January 6 documentaries.

And you told the real story there.

And you also work for the Wisconsin state journal, and the Chicago Tribune. So it's nice to have you on board for TheBlaze.

Let me ask you, Joe. What do you find creepy or suspicious about this guy. This guy that nobody is paying attention to.

That just tried to kill a bunch of people.

And, you know, did along with the No Kings movement.

JOE: Well, the more we learn about him, the less this entire thing makes sense.

Maybe -- he has a very unusual backstory.

He's worked a lot in the food industry. Companies like Del Monte. And Berger. In production.

Safety. Supervising.

You know, the plants, and keeping everything clean and safe.

He's probably moved around the country, at least a dozen times, in the past 20 years, with his jobs.

But he also has a background as a preacher, which we're just finding out, a little bit more about that.

I have a story about that. That he has traveled, around the world.

And at least in part, as a preacher. A Christian preacher, who -- who had studied at a -- at an institute there, in Dallas.

And he has been to Africa.

He's talking about going to the Middle East, and in the West Bank. And Gaza.

You know, talked about going there, to be basically a missionary to radical Islamists. And to tell them, as he put on one of his websites, that violence isn't the answer.

Now, that's an interesting -- interesting thing for -- for him to say.

I talked to Robert Spencer from jihad watch.

And he said, if he actually did that, he's fortunate to be alive.

Because typically, if you proselytize.

That's a death tense in Islam.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: So he said, if he actually did that, you know, he would have been killed or taken hostage.

Unless they saw it, as he put it. They saw him as a fool.

And as kind of a break, and left him alone.

But he's also preached in the democratic republic of the Congo, several times.

In -- in an evangelical Christian church this.

And we've come across some very interesting video of him, talking about his -- his -- his story, to Christianity.

But he was so excited about talking about Christ, he put his arms out, almost like a bird. Flying around the stage.

Saying, you know, what Jesus has done for me.

And woo-hoo!

It's -- it's --

GLENN: Why -- I mean, we have the Del Monte guy going around, then preaching around the world.

And preaching the opposite things, he seemed to have -- did he become mentally ill?

And then -- before we get to that question.

When did he become involved in politics with Tim Walz and everything else?

JOE: Well, he was appointed to a governor's workforce development council, first by Governor Mark Dayton, who was a Democrat.

And then Tim Walz. Of course, we all know Tim Walz. He appointed him to a similar group.

And he spent about nine years on these boards.

These are adviser counsels, that typically.

GLENN: Was this when he was a preacher, or with Del Monte?

JASON: Well, you know, actually, some of this stuff overlapped, and it was all going on at the same time.

GLENN: Okay.

JASON: And he got other ventures that were going on, just this guy is -- is -- is really a puzzle.

But he did get appointed to these two commissions, by democratic governors.

And, you know, so we looked around to try to find out if there is -- aside from that, is there any indicators, that this was a political man.

We know he was pro-life.

He was opposed to abortion. He spoke about that. But we did not find any indication of political donations, either federally, state, or local. That he gave donations to any political party or candidate. The newspaper in Oklahoma City claims that he was a registered Republican, when he lived in Mulberry, Oklahoma.

But the -- the voting system folks out there, say, they don't keep records back that far anymore. So the article did not state where they got the information.

They didn't point to any proof of it.

So that seems fairly soft.

So we -- we just don't have a lot to go on.

Outside of this way backstory, with all these different jobs.

You know, he ostensibly ran a security company, called Pretorian guard.

Security services.

And he had several vehicles, that were kidded out, as the squad cars, basically.

You see these in different cities.

Pinkerton and other security counsels.

So he had several of those.
And, you know, he -- undoubtedly where he got his equipment. He was wearing the night that he committed these shootings.

And he was dressed up as a police officer.

But --

GLENN: In a creepy mask.

Okay. So hang on.

So we don't know if this guy had a political agenda. One way or another. On the -- I mean, he seemed to attack the Democrat, that was the one that was bucking the extreme, you know, left of her party.

Is there any -- is there any rhyme or reason of -- of -- or pattern of the people that were on his kill list?

JOE: Well, you know, that's one of the only tells that we have.

Is that he kept both in the vehicle, that he was driving that night, and in -- and in a room that he rented for his job. They found notebooks.

Handwritten notebooks. And in his car, there was what the FBI concluded was a hit list.

And there were more than 50 names on it.

And as far as I can tell, I have been checking every single one of them, but these were all Democrats. Not just Minnesota politicians.

But also in Iowa.

Illinois, and Wisconsin.

And he had lists of Planned Parenthood locations and officials in Minnesota on this list.

And, of course, the list didn't include a list of the former House speaker, who was assassinated along with her husband.

And the family dog. So, you know, that -- that list was very lopsided.

And we know -- do we know if any of those Democrats have anything in common?

Are they -- are they hard left?

Are they maybe mealy mouthed, you know, people that are -- I don't know.

I mean, she seems to be somebody who was bucking the system.

That the Democrats would want.
So it's not like this was a hard-core lefty. This seems like somebody who actually had a conscience. And was trying to do something that they really believed in. So why was she on the list?

Can you tell? Can you look at the politician's names to see any pattern on -- voting patterns or anything?

JOE: Well, in her case, ask this got almost no attention in the corporate press, within the past -- you know, past two weeks before her death. There was a key vote in the legislature in Minnesota. That would strip the subsidized health care for adults. Legal aliens.

And that was a very close vote.

And it turns out, she was the deciding vote.

The only one to cross party lines, to put that legislation over the top.

And so that -- you know, that certainly didn't endear her to -- to the left. Because that's a -- that's a kind of sacred cow.

And so come January 1st, next year, adult illegal aliens will no longer have access to the subsidized or free health care.

So that -- can that was a big vote.

And that something that you have to certainly put into the equation here and see if that provides any sort of -- any sort of motive.

But he didn't -- he really didn't have any visible interest in state politics. That we can see.

So, you know, there's --

GLENN: So bizarre.

JOE: There's a lot of somewhere. But, you know, he hasn't made at the same time to people that, oh. You know, so-and-so.

I just can't tanned this person.

Or -- or on the other side. You know, whether he was -- his -- his childhood friend claimed that he was a Trumper.

But, you know, we don't have any -- Minnesota is an open primary state.

So there's no records, we can check on that.

Just a lot of soft information.

And it -- I have a feeling, that when this is all said and done, his story, and the explanation, is going to go a lot deeper.

GLENN: Okay. Hold on just a second.

Because I've got a couple of questions.

Why did Tim Walz, you know, know this was a political assassination? Immediately.

You know, the -- phone now, that has been traced to several foreign countries. Is that because of the preaching thing.

His wife arrested with several passports.

I don't understand any of this.

So we'll get to that here in just a second.

We're talking to Joe Hanneman. He's TheBlaze News investigative reporter.

Just wrote another story on this today.

You can find it on TheBlaze.com. Let me tell you does and right into Joe.

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Okay. So when this happened, we're talking about the Minnesota shooting.

Tim Walz comes out. Seemingly, almost immediately.

At least, that's what it felt.

And said, you know, this was a political assassination.

Was this just speculation?

Or wishful thinking? How did he know that?

JASON: That's a great question. And no one asked him that.

What led you to the conclusion that this is a politically connected assassination.

It clearly was targeted. I mean, he just elected his victims or potential victims from that night.

But you would think that you would have some Intel in nothing that was ever shared to say, yeah. This is why.

We know this is why.

In fact, the FBI and the -- the local police will not ascribe a motive. Even after looking at all his notebooks. Which they haven't released all the pages of them.

They did put them on the hit list.

Yeah. I found that to be very telling. He would describe it in that manner.

And I think that set off some of the back and forth between the right and the left of finger pointing on this.

GLENN: Right. And then the police knew somehow. Go to the second location. In advance of the shootings.

How did they do that?

JASON: Well, these communities are all fairly close together.

And after Senator Hoffmann was shot, and his wife was shot, at about 2:00 a.m. on the 14th, that word was circulated to all the area departments. And several of them did proactive policing.

And since, I checked out some of their law makers.

GLENN: But they didn't stop him, did they?

At the second location?

JASON: No. The second location, the family had changed their plans, and they were gone. So they were not even home.

It was the third location, where this fellow was parked in his fake squad car, about a block away from a state senator's home.

And the local police. New police department squad pulled up next to him, and tried to get his attention. Of course, he's got this creepy looking milky white mask over his head, and he just stared straight ahead.

And the officer apparently was satisfied by the look of the vehicle. And said, oh, this must be -- this must be an officer from some jurisdiction here, watching out from the house.

So that officer continued on to the state senator's home.

And waited for some backup. By the time, other squads arrived, he was gone.

He took off. And he went to the Hortman home, where he murdered the former speaker, her husband, and the family dog.

So he certainly could have been stopped. If -- if there had been maybe a little bit more -- shine the flashlight in there.

Or back in the window saying, hey, hey, but they didn't do that.

GLENN: Okay. So I've only got two minutes left.

So do you pick which one has more information in it.

The phone being traced to so many foreign countries. Or his wife being stopped, with cash and passports. And everything else in her car.

Do either of those make a difference to this story?

JASON: Well, I think there is an explanation for the wife. You know, he had texted. There's a group text to all of his family. His children and his wife. In which, he said, dad went to war last night. And he said, he didn't want to tell them much about that. Because he didn't want to implicate them, in anything he was doing.

And that he texted his wife -- said he called or texted his wife separately.

And said, there will be police coming to the house.

And they will be trigger happy.

And I don't want you to be there. So he triced her to -- to take the kids. But she -- she had $10,000 in cash. She had passports and she had the kids with her.

Well, of course, the police were tracking her phone.

And they pulled her over, you know, and he was 80 miles away. And she volunteered to let them look into her phone.

To look at the picks. They found the weapons and the ammunition in the vehicle as well.

So, you know, again, these things just make you pause.

GLENN: I know.

Joe, thank you so much.

Really great to have you writing for TheBlaze. We'll continue to talk to you about this and follow the story, because it's absolutely bizarre.

Appreciate it. Have a great weekend.

These little-known stories PROVE America’s Christian history

Sen. Tim Scott joins Glenn Beck to discuss his new book, "One Nation Always Under God," and some of the amazing stories he tells in it that prove America's REAL history.

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GLENN: Tim Scott, welcome to the program. How are you?

TIM: Glenn, I'm doing really well. I hope you're doing fantastic.

GLENN: I am doing great. I'm doing great.

Tell me about One Nation Always Under God.

TIM: There's a story -- Glenn, the way I look at it, if we're going to understand our future, we must have a great foundation in our past. And America's foundation was a Judeo-Christian ethos.

GLENN: Now --

TIM: In One Nation Always Under God, I speak a lot about these amazing Christians who dedicated their lives to being extraordinary, not because of who they are, but because of whose they are. In God's hands, we can do the most remarkable things.

GLENN: So there's a -- there's a couple of books out, that are -- one of them is coming out.

Yours is iota now. One nation under God. That is explaining this, I think in the best way possible.

When a country loses its story, it loses.

It -- you can't sustain it anymore.

And these are the stories where American Christians stepped up and needed God. And moved our nation forward.

So let's talk about a couple of the stories.

Let's start with William Lloyd Garrison.
Who is he? What happened?

TIM: You know, one of the things that got my in trouble back in 2021. Is I said the truth, which is that America is not a racist country.

And one of the reasons why we're not a racist country, is because we've wrestled with race for so long, we've won.

And William Lloyd Garrison was an abolitionist who fought tooth and nail against racism and slavery.

And because of his fortitude, and his faith in God, that he was called, as an ordinary person.

To resist the way that the world was at the time. He achieved a victory for other people.

You know, proverbs 31:8 reminds us to stand up for those who can't stand for themselves.

William Lloyd Garrison. And millions of Americans have taken that stand. And today, we celebrate the achievement of those who went before us, and if we're smart, we'll remember that, as we look to our future. And celebrate where we are today, because of the sacrifices of yesterday.

GLENN: Apollo 13 astronaut Jim Lovell.

TIM: Yeah, what a great story. Jim Lovell was a man of conviction and strong faith. He was lost in space, 200,000 miles -- 200,000 miles away from home, so to speak.

Running out of oxygen. He started praying. This peace fell over him. And he understood what he needed to do, to save the lives of the astronauts that were with him by conserving oxygen. Making some things happen that were merely impossible. But he was led by his faith and prayer, that gave him a peace that allowed him to rely on the expertise that he had inside of him, over years and years of an astronaut.

It's a tremendous story of victory, even outside of this world.

GLENN: Dorothea Dix.

TIM: Dorothea Dix is a wonderful story of an amazing Christian who felt called to examine the institutions, who are those suffering from mental health and mental breakdowns were housed. She found their life to be disgusting and challenging. She felt called by God, an ordinary, everything woman. She did something extraordinary.

She changed the way that the insane asylums at her time were housing everyday Americans. And because of her, we have sanity. We have respect and dignity. In so many of the places that today, those who are suffering mental health challenges are -- are taken care of.

Really an amazing story.

GLENN: Go ahead. Go ahead.

Finish up.

TIM: Just really an amazing story, of a woman called by God, to do something, frankly groundbreaking around the globe. All started here in America.

By one woman, with a Christian conviction.

GLENN: So we are -- let me get off the book here for a second.

But focus on this. What she did.

We are now -- we have a mental health problem on the streets of our country.

It is really bad.

And I don't know how to solve it. Tim, there's -- you know, the president says, you know, we've got a -- we've got to get these people back into -- into CAIR.

And that is absolutely true. But I also remember what the government was like.

What those government institutions were like. And what they became.

When I was a kid, and Reagan stopped them, they were really bad. And dangerous.

How do we stop this from becoming that again?

TIM: Well, that's a great question and one of the reasons I wrote about Dorothea Dix, I have looked around and saw the light of everyday Americans.

Today, 100,000 people have lost their lives, because of fentanyl and drug overdoses.

During COVID, we saw a 30 percent increase in parents bringing their teenage kids to the ER, because of mental health episodes. We are -- you are 100 percent right. We are living at a time, of great mental health instability. The way that we solve this is frankly not by having a government take it over.

It is, however, by having programs like the ones started by John Baker, who focused on celebrate recovery and church.

I believe the fastest way to solve the problems that we face today, is by depending, not on the government, but depending on each other.

And this program, called Celebrate Recovery is in over 40,000 churches around the world.

And as a result, we have seen lives restored.

We have seen people healed. We have seen families brought back together. The one thing you and I both celebrate, is the fact that the government -- we don't depend on the government.

Because they don't do things well.

And, frankly, the actual solutions are closer to home, in your local church.

In your local community.

In your family. We need the restoration of a family as the bedrock of our society. And meaning, the issues and the ills that we face.

That can't happen because of government fiat. It only happens because a person convicted by the Lord turns to God for help.

Families restore because fathers and husbands see their rightful place in the family, and they find their common sense, and return home to the families.

GLENN: What does it mean, convicted by the Lord?

TIM: I'll talk about my personal experience, as a kid growing up in poverty, I was lost as a goose in a rainstorm for much of my childhood. I nearly flunked out of school, because I didn't see a way forward.

Man, I'll tell you, I felt this growing need for something.

And I have some really good Christian friends who state me, by example, more than words, that what I was looking for was a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

I felt this conviction. And I wanted -- I wanted to look at that, comparatively speaking to condemnation. So often people that condemn you, are looking out for your best interest.

But you need to have this conviction in your own heart.

That there is a better way.

And that conviction for me, led me to examine Christianity.

And I came to the conclusion. My life was better off in his hands. When I talk about that conviction, I'm really talking about this understanding that something must change. That it must start in me. Not somewhere else.

GLENN: You know, it is -- to me, it is the definition of evil. What we're seeing happen in our country, where people are telling you, everything is stacked against you. You'll never make it.

You have to vote for this, or your life is wasted.

It is so evil to convince people that they don't have everything in them, to make it. Because they do!

TIM: Absolutely. Glenn, this is one of the most important foundations of our country.

We were given our inalienable rights, not by government. Not from government, but by God. And if that's the case. Then we should never see ourselves as victims. But we should see ourself as victors. Because all things are possible, in a country, whose foundation is the Lord's

We haven't gotten it right. I'm not suggesting that we have.

But I am suggesting that the closer we get to that more perfect union.

The more likely we are, in consistent harmony, with the principles, that undergird the society, that come from the gospel.

GLENN: You know, we -- we never have gotten it right.

And, you know, anybody who says that America is a failure, never got it right.

Never lived up to its principles.

Have you read those principles.?

I mean, those principles that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Those principles are really, really, really super high.

And I can't --

TIM: Absolutely.

GLENN: And I can't think of a grander mission statement than what our Declaration lays out.

And we don't cut ourselves any slack as human beings and say, look, we're going to mess it up, but you've got to get back up, and reapply yourself to the mission again.

TIM: We need to keep preaching that, because that's exactly what the book of proverbs reminds us, that a man falls seven times. The good man gets up the seventh time that he falls.

It's the same thing we hear from Jesus, in the book of Matthew. That how many times shall we be forgiven? Seven times?

No, seventy times seven.

It's exactly the same thing we see in the midst of great challenges, and frankly, even in my own city in South Carolina. The Mother Emanuel Church shooting. The believers of that church said to the killer, that -- they said Matthew 5:44. You've got to love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.

They said, I forgive you.

Where does that come from?

It comes from the recognition, that we're all flawed humans. And as flawed humans, the most powerful thing that we can do, is to give it to the Lord.

When we do that, we see this light come out of us. And from around us. That is what makes America in pursuit of this thing called perfection.

We will always, always fall short. But ultimately, are you going to strive for mediocrity?

Are you going to strive for average. Or do you want to get as close as possible, to this notion that we are perfectible.

Well, we're only perfectible on the other side.

But until then, let us strive in the direction of perfection.

Because we believe in absolute truth.

We'll miss the mark.

But I'm going to continue to fight tooth and nail, to be all that I can be, until I am entered into heaven, through the glory of God.

GLENN: I want to ask you something, because we were talking about conviction.

And you've been talking about religious conviction. But let me ask you about conviction to our own country.

We had a Congresswoman Ramirez. She was at a summit in Mexico City. Over the weekend, she's speaking in Spanish.

And she says, I'm a proud Guatemalan before I'm an American.

We've had Ilhan Omar say, that she feels like she serves Somalia, more than the United States.

Can you be, you know, an official of the United States, and hold up the Constitution, if you're -- if you are not convicted that America is where your heart is?

That that is what -- that's what comes from?

You could say, God comes from.

And I get that. That's first citizenship.

But if your first citizenship is in Somalia or Guatemala.

How are you in the government of the United States? Should that be?

TIM: Glenn, let's just be clear for all the listeners.

Anyone who has taken the oath of office.

Who says their allegiance is to another country.

They have betrayed their oath of office. And they should resign, period.

Let me go a little further.

Any American citizen, that says, they're more beholden. Or connected to their homeland. That's not America.

Then they too are as lost as a goose any rainstorm.

The fact of the matter is, to be an American, requires in my heart, in my deepest understanding. You have to assimilate, acclimate to what it means to be an American. You cannot hold an allegiance to somebody else, while saying that, you know, I'm here, because it's it is greatest country of the planet. But I'm going to celebrate home.

The fact that you are here, suggests that the most compassionate country on the planet, has allowed you in.

At least, in response to our compassion and our love, at least assimilate to what it means to be an American. And then go a step further.

Encourage everyone in your community, to do the same.

It is not okay to get here. And be -- you know, to say that Somalia, is where you're going to sell your real affection.

Or that somewhere in Mexico.

That game has been played.

And they all lose.

We, the United States of America, an incredible melting pot of people. But we have one single culture, and it is defined at our inception.

It is the unique place on the planet, where we celebrate diversity. But not multiculturalism. I think they're very different.

We have multiple cultures in our country. But unless they align under the banner.

We can't survive.

You have to be committed. And one of the things you'll read in one nation always under God. Available right now, at Amazon.com. Or where books are sold.

The one that you'll figure out pretty quickly, is we celebrate America.

We don't celebrate any other country.

For one reason!

We are the city on the hill. We are the greatest place on the planet, that calls home. And I believe, we have an obligation. No, a responsibility, to celebrate all the founding fathers, who went before us.

And the ordinary people, who stood up, for this American ethos. Embedded in the gospel, so as to move us towards being a more perfect union. It is a prerequisite for public service, that you state with all of your heart, we are one nation, under God, and indivisible. Period!

GLENN: Senator Tim Scott, always great to talk to you, sir. Best of luck with the book. It's One Nation Always Under God.

It is available now.

One Nation Always Under God.

It's great to have this as a reminder for your family. Reminder for yourself, on who we really are, and how God has just woven into our DNA.
Tim, thank you so much. Senator, I appreciate it.

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Former Atheist Makes the Case for Angels, Demons & the Soul | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 262

Are angels, demons, and miracles real? Renowned atheist turned Christian author Lee Strobel joins Glenn Beck to explain it all. Lee makes a logical case for the existence of God, like he did in his bestselling book “The Case for Christ.” He touches on everything from why young people are turning to God and why so many Muslims in the Middle East are having dreams about Jesus to what near-death experiences really are and whether we’re living in the end times. Plus, Lee dissects some of the biggest questions people have about the supernatural: Are ghosts actually demons? Are angels our deceased relatives? How do you know you’re hearing from God? Will AI become the Antichrist?

How Trump's new executive order is a "MIRACLE"... for now

President Trump signed a new executive order cracking down on banks that are using ESG to “debank” conservatives, fossil fuel companies, and others who the banks disagree with. This is “a big win” for freedom, Glenn Beck says. “The Great Reset” co-author Justin Haskins joins to explain why this proves “ESG in banking is dead, at least for now.”

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GLENN: One other win, that is coming out of the White House. And I hope that Congress will codify this, and so we don't just leave it as an executive order.

But the White House is preparing a new executive order, against targeting -- or, order on targeting banks.

That are targeting conservatives, or crypto firms. Or religious organizations.

This is ESG.

And we know that they were doing this. We have evidence, that they were doing this.

We have victims, that it was done to.

And they're -- we don't have all of the information yet.

But, they're -- there's some real enforcement coming.

And this is a huge victory for this audience.

Because this audience was the first that took on ESG.

I mean, nobody believed it.

Remember, we came out with the great reset. Justin Haskins and I. We put that book out. And we came out against it.

And nobody believed it. Nobody believed it was true. Nobody understood it.

It was this audience that moved and got so many people involved, and started passing state laws et cetera, et cetera.

And now, there's an executive order on it. And we have Justin Haskins here to talk a little bit about it.

He's the coauthor of my book, The Great Reset, and gosh, what was the other one? Dark Future.

So, Justin, welcome. How are you?
JUSTIN: Among others, yes.

GLENN: I know. I know.

So, Justin, this is a big, big win for anyone who knows who ESG is, and wanted it stopped.

JUSTIN: Yeah. The fight -- the weaponization of the financial sector in the United States and really the entire West was the key to the whole Great Reset plan of transforming the global economy.

It was how they were going to force everyone to move to the left.

And they were doing it.

We didn't just have individual examples. We had CEOs. And internal policies.

All of this on the record, very out in the open, saying, we're going to, you know, phase out certain gun owners, for example.

We don't want gunshots.

We don't want fossil fuels.

We don't want any of these things. We're going to phase all of this out of the banking am is. Well, that means that you're going to destroy all of these businesses. We know that they targeted individual people, including Donald Trump himself was targeted by numerous banks, not just one.

JP Morgan Chase targeted Trump. Bank of America refused to do banking with him. Deutsche Bank also did this.

So this was a huge, huge problem. It was it is biggest part of the great reset.

We've been fighting over this for years now. Something like four years. And finally, finally, the Trump administration is taking action, and ESG and banking is dead, at least for now.

It is dead.

GLENN: Yeah. At least -- until it's codified, it's dead through executive order, which is better than nothing. But they've got to codify this. Remember, this was -- the banks will say, look, we were only doing what we had to do.

Because of, quote, reputational risk.

So they would say, to somebody like me. They could debank and they could say, you know, we're not giving you a loan.

And not explain why. But they would know why.

And what they would be saying internally is, it's a reputational risk. Because we're doing business with Glenn Beck. And Glenn Beck is against these things which the government says are -- they all have to be done. We could be in trouble, with the government.

We would be in trouble with our reputation. And with the reputation that we have with the federal government.

And so they would have to debank. That was the whole idea.

They didn't want to have to do it. Many of them did.

But they didn't want to have to do it.

They would be required to do it. By law. Through the federal government.

And now it looks -- do we have any clue. Have you heard anything that is in this actual executive order?

JUSTIN: Yes. So it sounds like the executive order is going to come out today. If not today, tomorrow. There's been lots of leaks from various media talking about what's in it. I think there's a lot of incredible things in this.

The Secretary of the Treasury is going to be required to create a whole set of new policies and regulations across the federal government, that are going to deal with debanking moving forward, into the future. All of the stuff that you were just talking about, reputational risks. All of those policies are going to be stripped from regulatory agencies throughout the federal government. they're not going to be allowed to do that anymore.

And I think one of the most overlooked parts of it, that's going to be incredibly important is: There's going to be a vast investigation into everything that has already happened. And so regulators are going to go in. They are going to look at the politically driven debanking policies. And if any laws have been violated, at all, they're going to go after them, through the Justice Department.

And they're going to punish these institutions or other regulatory agencies. They will punish these institutions for engaging in discrimination in the past.

Because some of these cases involved Christian organizations and other religious-based groups. Well, those were illegal.

But we think, with the laws that were on the books, under the Biden administration were illegal. But we think that some of that was going on too. So there's going to be a chilling effect, I think here.

A long-lasting chilling effect. Because if you're a financial institution, even if some future democratic president comes to you and says, hey. We really want you to do this. We want you to move in this direction.

They'll have to look back and say, yeah. But if someone like Trump comes back to the White House again. We could be investigated and sued.

And fined. And potentially people could go to prison if we did this.

So I don't know if we want to do that again.

So that is a huge, huge part of this.

So do we need a law passed in Congress?

100 percent!

Congress, where are the heck are you?

Why aren't you doing something on this already?

GLENN: I know. I know. On.

PAT: But it is a huge win for us so far.

Huge win for people to support freedom.

And this audience deserves so much credit for it.

You and your team do, Glenn. Without you, none of this would have happened.

I truly believe that. Without Ricky and Sara and Jason.

The whole team.

None of this could have happened.

And without this audience pushing for this. At the state level. At the federal level. Demanding action. Making this a huge issue.

I honestly think that this whole thing would have died.

And no one would have cared about it. And we wouldn't be seeing this massive victory today.

GLENN: You know what, thank you for reminding me here.

Because I am so grateful for the audience, every day. I see the impact that they make. But thank you for reminding me where I was, when we first came up -- and you I both, we were like, this can't be true. And then we realized, oh, my gosh. This is all happening.

We wrote The Great Reset. And at the end, right before we released it, I think you remember this. It was like, there's not really a happy ending here.

And both of us, we had soul-searched so long.

We were like, I know, but I don't know if there's actually a way to stop this.

Because I'm not sure anybody is going to get it, or care! Look at what happened, Justin.
Nobody cared. Nobody understood it. Nobody believed it when we first wrote that book. It's incredible!

JUSTIN: Yeah, absolutely incredible. And as we stand here today, not only are we talking about the most important part of the Great Reset, dying, at least for now.

Dying. But think about all the other victories. Look. Think about the cultural victories that we've had recently.

These gigantic corporations are no longer these DEI institutions that they were before.

The Sydney Sweeney ad is the perfect example of that. Klaus Schwab has been thrown out of the World Economic Forum. He's not even in charge of it.

His kids have been removed from the WEF. His top lieutenants are gone. This is -- this is incredible. From where we've started, to where we are today, has been nothing short of a massive, massive victory.

GLENN: I was going to say, miracle. Massive, massive miracle.

Because nobody -- nobody thought, I didn't think.

If I said to you, in 2023. That Trump was going to get elected. And within his first month.

And I listed half of the stuff, that he's done. You know, the -- you know, the -- you know, PBS and NPR, would be defunded. That you wouldn't have to take your shoes off in the airport.

That we would actually -- actually have hard evidence, that shows us the actual members and leadership of the Deep State.

That ESG would be taking its last breath, debanking would be over.

If I said that we were going to -- I don't think I would have believed it.

I wouldn't have believed it. In six months, no.

No way. This guy is amazing.

JUSTIN: Look at big tech companies.

Big tech companies are suddenly fans of Donald Trump.

They're working with them. On the revolution.

I mean, everything -- the world has completely turned on its head.

GLENN: What happened yesterday with Apple?

Pats, how much was the investment coming from Apple yesterday.

PAT: 600 million.

GLENN: 600 million.

To build chips here in America.

I was told just three years ago.

Chips can't be made here in America.

We'll never make chips in America.

We're now funding billions of dollars in chip manufacturing here in America.

We're bringing -- and as much as everybody says, well, we can't bring jobs back to America.

We have to bring jobs back to America.

If we're not making chips and there is a disruption or a -- a country that is hostile to us, decides not to send us chips, we're done.

If we don't move our medicine, here to America, and somebody hostile to us, or there's a disruption, we're done. Literally dead!

Look at the progress that has just been made, in the FDA, and -- and with RFK.

In -- in just the last six months.
Just this has been remarkable. It's incredible.

JUSTIN: And I think this is a great opportunity to remind people, to be patient, and -- and to take stock of where we were, not that long ago. And where we are today.

Obviously, a lot of conservatives don't agree with everything that Donald Trump is doing.

I don't agree with everything that Donald Trump is doing.

That's normal. That's fine.

That's always the case.

If you go back and look at Ronald Reagan.

Guess what, folks. There's a lot of stuff that Ronald Reagan did. That I think most people would say, was really bad. Really bad.

But we all love Reagan, because overall, he was a net massive good for the country.

What Donald Trump has done so far, you didn't even mention border security. Which I thought, something that would never happen in my lifetime. Ever.

GLENN: I know. I know. I know.

JUSTIN: What is happening right now, is a complete transformation of society in America for the better. It's going to take time.

It's going to take time. All of these policies require that.

But we are making huge progress in ways that we never thought were possible.

Just a few years ago.

And we literally wrote a book called Dark Future.

That's where we were at!

GLENN: I know. I know.

And we hated it.

But we really believed it. And look where we're at now.

Justin, I want to have you on tomorrow.

Because we didn't get a chance of what's happening over in Sweden.

With the Prime Minister.

This is massive and kind of leads to the Dark Future thing.

And it's going to be happening everywhere.

So can I have you back on tomorrow?

JUSTIN: Of course.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Justin, thank you so much. Justin Haskins. And you can follow Justin at -- where is it? JustinHaskins.com.

So hard to remember. JustinHaskins.com.