RADIOFebruary 27, 2025

Can Vivek Make Ohio the Gold Standard for the American Dream?

After leaving President Trump and Elon Musk's DOGE, Vivek Ramaswamy, has decided to run for governor of Ohio. He joins Glenn to lay out his vision for the state, which he wants to transform into a new gold standard for the American Dream. With Trump returning power to the states, cutting federal programs, and slashing red tape, Ramaswamy argues that it will soon be up to the governors to "step up and do their job." He advocates for federalism, state-level transparency, zero income tax, and reduced property taxes, calling them "un-American." Vivek also addresses the technological revolution, proposing workforce training to harness AI for job creation across blue-collar and professional fields. Ramaswamy stresses reattaching work requirements to welfare, promoting independence over government dependence, and fostering a culture of meritocracy and capitalism.

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GLENN: Vivek Ramaswamy.

The Ohio gubernatorial candidate. Strive asset manager cofounder. Also, I would say the cofounder and co-designer of DOGE. And a good friend of the program.

Vivek, how are you?

VIVEK: Good to talk to you, Glenn. How are you?

GLENN: Really good. Really good. I have a lot to talk to you about. First of all, why do you want to be the governor of Ohio?

VIVEK: Well, look, I think that Donald Trump is being doing a great job as US president, but that means that a lot of federal programs are going to come down from Washington, DC, from education to health care, back to the states and to the people where they belong.

GLENN: Hang on just a second.

VIVEK: In my early effort in helping get DOGE off the ground, it's the same thing. Federalism is the way forward to our golden age, and that is going to require strong governors to actually step up and do their job in leading and managing education, for example, in the right way. And so I was born, raised in Ohio. That's where I'm raising my two sons today.

I think it's one of the better sons in the US. But I want Toledo, Ohio, to be the top state in the country, to raise a young family, to grow a business, and to live the American Dream that I have. That's what I'm living.

GLENN: I don't know. It's kind of like conservative porn here. He's -- he's talking about returning the power to the states. And cutting all those federal programs. Oh, yeah.
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GLENN: So, Vivek, the way the government is going, I mean, I hope that DOGE actually does the job. And I hope we finish the job here. We have so much that we have to cut. I mean, trillions of dollars that we have to cut. And return that power to the state. Everybody is saying, this is going to be chaos. How -- as the governor of Ohio, how -- how do you prepare for what is coming, so it's not chaos? What has to be done?

VIVEK: I have to admit, I think the job is going to be far easier for me at the state level, than it is doing it at the federal level, which is a gargantuan project. But I do think that giving taxpayers the transparency, first of all. How their money is being spent. Texting the regulatory state. All that's required.

At the level of Ohio. I think this is actually immediately achievable, in ways that improve people's lives. Right? I'm bringing the American Dream back to Ohio. How do we do it?

There's a lot of red tape in the state. Think about the overregulation, that comes from that bureaucracy, that is the easiest thing we can fix right out the gate. Eighteen to 36 months for a natural gas pipeline. That should be six months or less.

I haven't met a single person in Ohio. I haven't met a single person in the country, Glenn. Who says, we have too little red tape. I have met a lot of people. Especially business owners. Who will tell you, there's too much red tape.

So there's this idea, that this is an academic project. No! It's not just academic solutions to address the deficit number or a debt number or a GDP number. I think these are vital improvements to our economic and social fabric.

So that Little League teams no longer have to shut down, because they can't find the local companies to sponsor them. Because they went to another state with a more favorable regulatory environment. So mom doesn't have to think twice before having a second or third kid for fear of the cost of a bigger car. Because the tax rate is too high in the state. So one of the things I want to do is to drive the income tax down. Eventually down to zero. Like eight other states that have done the same thing. To the property tax burden.

It's your land. Not the government's. It's your money, not the government's. And I don't think that those should be controversial things to say.

GLENN: Hang on just a second. Wait. Wait. Wait. Talk to me about property taxes again.
What is your plan on property taxes?

VIVEK: Well, property taxes in Ohio, this is our problem in particular. Have gotten way too high. So many people are paying as much money on their interest-plus principal repayment as they are on their property tax, and it makes you feel like you're not owning your land anymore. Owning your land feels like you're leasing it from the government which is un-American. So that's exactly what we're taking back.

GLENN: I have to tell you --

VIVEK: It's about bringing the money back to people's hands.

GLENN: I think property tax is absolutely immoral.

VIVEK: It's un-American.

GLENN: It is! I don't actually own anything if it can be taken from me because of tax. I mean, that is like -- isn't that the story of Robin Hood?

VIVEK: It's actually funny you say that. John Locke was one of the progenitors of our country's founding, as you're well aware. It was ownership of private property, which is foundational to the formation of the United States of America!

And so I think we would do well to remember those basic time-tested principles. Capitalism is the greatest system known to man, to lift us up from poverty. We started to apologize for that as well.
No, I want Ohio. And look, I did this for Ohio.

But I say this, because it has a national significance too, Glenn.

I want Ohio to set the standard for the rest of the country, where we embrace property rights. And capitalism and meritocracy. Instead of apologizing for it. And the beauty of our system is that so much of saving our country actually has to come from the level of the states.

Has to come from the people. That's what -- that's what our Founding Fathers envisioned. So I think federalism is the way.

The path to our golden age runs through federalism.

That's why, look, I think saving this country is a team effort. That's why I chose to run for this position, after great conversations with President Trump, with Elon. Frankly, both of them, they came out within hours of my announcement, within an hour to both endorse, and I was proud to receive their support.

And others statewide here as well. But that's because this is going to be a team effort to save the country.

And I do think the leadership at the level of the states. Especially starting a year or two from now, after a lot of those programs have been pushed back down to the states and the people where they belong. I do see a bit of a leadership gap there. And that's a big part of why I was called into this.

And we will set a national standard. We can call it the Ohio standard. We can call it a modern day northwest ordinance. But a conservative state. When governed according to conservative principles, actually. Can be a magnet for the rest of the country.

GLENN: Okay. So I have a serious question for you.

First, an even more serious question.

Every time I've even endorsed any candidate, they always lose. So what is my non-endorsement worth to you, Vivek?

VIVEK: Your friendship is worth a lot to me, Glenn, and I would love to have you in Ohio. We'll start with the Midas Touch! How about that?

GLENN: So I do want to talk to you about something that you are qualified to answer, and I think there are very few people that are qualified. That people trust and know. That can speak on this.

You know, Musk came out and talked about the singularity on Sunday.

And said, we're on the event horizon of the singularity. For anyone who really understands what's coming our way in the next three to five years.

The world will be completely different, in ways that none of us imagine, in five years from now.

How do we -- how do we explain this to the American people, and how do you prepare a state, to be nimble enough, to be able to adapt.

I mean, I really believe, we're at the very beginning here, of a maybe 18 to 36-month change. Where the end of these 36 months, it's going to be entirely different.

And people will have to understand, you either adapt right now, or you're out!

So how do you -- go ahead.

VIVEK: Either you're playing from the front. Or you're shaping that change. Or else, you're going to be shaped by that change.

GLENN: Right. And it's huge. The difference is massive, than we've ever seen before!

VIVEK: Absolutely. So it's interesting, from the position of state leader. As the next governor of Ohio. I want Ohio to be the state where we use AI. To not take jobs. But to make jobs.

And what I mean by that is, there's a lot of focus on a lot of investment across the country and the world, into algorithmic improvement. To actually improving the computational power, driving new AI. That's important. Where I don't think we've invested enough. Is how you apply that AI. How to use that next generation intelligence. To apply it to their respective fields, from health care, to financial services, to construction design.

And there, you're talking about using skilled workers who are already in the state, who don't have to be programming the next generation of AI. We've trained the AI. What I want to do is train the human beings on how to use that AI, and apply it to enhance their own productivity, on their own terms.

GLENN: Yes.

VIVEK: And I think that last part is really important, Glenn. As we're heading to the future. The future is coming, whether we like it or not. Do you want to be dragged by it, or do you want to shape it? And I want to be a leader who helps us, to shape, to harness the power of that --

GLENN: So as governor, what do you do? What do you do to encourage that? To -- well, I have a lot of blue-collar jobs.

VIVEK: Sure. Sure.

So one of the things we do is invest in the workforce, training and education. And a lot of the private sectors are already doing it, by getting out of the way. The limited occupational licensing requirements. Also, I want this to be the state where two things are true, Glenn.

Too often, even on the right, sometimes, we make this an either/or.

I want this to be the state where we say both of these paths are open. I want Ohio to be the top state in the country, when it comes to our universities. For somebody who wants to become an engineer or a doctor or a computer programmer, that's great. That should be open to them here. That goes through a traditional masters degree, and maybe PHD degrees too. And that's great.

That's a good thing. But we also want to be the state, that has two and one-year and even six-month. Or nine-month vocational programs, that train people to be an electrician, or a welder, or a builder, and give them also in their respective fields, even the training needed, knowing how to use AI. How to use that next generation of technology, to apply it to their respective fields. That's what true modernization looks like. So I don't want to fall in this camp and say, say, oh, well, that technological revolution is for somebody else. No. How do we harness the fruits of that, to actually improve our own lives, even in fields that weren't traditionally thought to be necessarily technologically forward fields? I want to change that attitude.

And it's not either/or. It's not one is more elite than the other. We're all elite is the way I look at it. I don't refer to the other professions as the trades. I call it the professions, because that's what they are. They deserve the same degree of dignity and respect, but at the same time, it's not going to be by chasing our past. It's going to be leading us to chase our future. And I do think that requires a new generation of leadership. And at the state levels, a big part of why I'm stepping into what I see in the leadership vacuum.

GLENN: So I think that Donald Trump has ushered in a completely new era that is not even, nobody even begins to understand it yet. I think he is going to be remembered as our first real technology president. And he is changing everything about this system. And it's long needed to be changed. But when it comes to like last night in the House, they passed a budget. The budget really -- I mean, I guess, it's a step in the right direction.

But it's still growing the deficit. And, you know, it has some good things in it. It has some other bad things. You have congressman Davidson from Ohio, that voted against it last night. And part of me is with Massey, and people like that are like, hey. You know what, we've got to cut, cut, cut. How do we get America or the people of Ohio, or the -- the Congress and the Senate to understand, trillions of dollars need to be cut. No more eating around the edges. Trillions of dollars need to be cut. How do we get there?

VIVEK: Well, the truth is. One of the paths is grow, grow, grow. Goes to that spirit, you talked about. That's where I think as the great leader of state, you can at least help in that regard. Whereas, if you're depressing economic growth.

Then your debt to GDP ratio becomes even worse, because your GDP growth rates are lower.

So one of the areas to focus on is just robust economic growth to mass deregulation, through mass unlocking of private sector potential. Through slashing and burning bureaucracy within wherever necessary. And that's one positive side. On the other side, Glenn. And you raise a good point here. I would just say, there are ways to rationalize the budget that actually lifted people up in the process. I'll give you one example. And I will lead the way here in Ohio. On this front. Is reattaching work requirements. To welfare, Medicaid, and other forms of aid.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

VIVEK: I think it is not compassion. It is cruelty to increase somebody's dependence on the government. The way we are going to save our country is not through greater dependence on the government. But independence from it. We're not victims. We have this victimhood mentality.

That the ends justifies that. We are done with that victimhood culture. We got to move on. We're victors, not victims! We don't whine, we win!

You help somebody to stand up on their own 2 feet. That's a great way! You are looking at a lot of the spending in Medicaid. A lot of spending in welfare. That's a great way to bring down spending. Even more importantly, it's an even better way to help those Americans to actually realize the American dream, rather than to be permanently dependent on a state that serves as a ceiling, for what they're able to achieve in their lives. And there, a lot of that has to be done and led at the state level. The federal government has a role to play. I think there's also an important role, to, what does a leader look like, who has the spine to step up and actually do that. Oh, I was tasked to Medicaid right now. That needs to change!

And so that's the way I'm looking to lead, and to bring back that culture of work, end of the war on work.

And that does two things. One is it enhances economic productivity and GDP growth. The other thing it does, it brings down our debt and our spending.

But the third and most important thing it does, is it brings back our sense of national spirit and self-worth and individual self-confidence. For so many who have lost that in this culture of victimhood and entitlement and dependence on the government.

It's time for us to graduate from the era of dependence, and move back to our era of independence! Think about that as a modern day Declaration of Independence from the government. A northwest ordinance, that's centered in Ohio. That's where I want to lead us. And I personally think, Glenn, a lot of politically homeless people. Independents, Libertarians, not just Republicans. Maybe even some orphan Reagan Democrats will come along with us, for this ride, and I think that's a good thing.

GLENN: Vivek, you know, we met each other, maybe five years ago, and I really liked you then. But I wasn't sure I wanted to watch you for a while. I know who you are. And I'm not going to endorse you because I like you too much.

You know, to endorse, but I will tell you, I am on your train. I just think, you would be great for Ohio. And so it's an endorsement, without being an endorsement, because I don't want to jink your candidacy. But best of luck.

VIVEK: That means a lot to me. And hopefully we'll set a good example, and learn some lessons from Texas as well.

GLENN: Yeah, thank you. All right. Buh-bye. Vivek Ramaswamy. Now running for governor.

You can find out all you need to know about him at V-I-V-E-K. VivekforOhio.com. VivekforOhio.com.

This AI could change EVERYTHING by next year

With Elon Musk’s announcement of Grok 4, humanity is closer than ever before to creating AGI – artificial general intelligence – which would change everything. Glenn Beck breaks down what’s coming in the next year with AI, which even Elon Musk called “terrifying.”

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GLENN: Let me tell you the biggest story of the day.

And I think it is the biggest story possibly of all mankind, as of today.

It's going to change rapidly.

I don't know if anybody -- did either of you guys watch the Elon Musk thing last night?

STU: No, I did watch a few minutes of it.

GLENN: Okay. Did you, Jason?

JASON: No. I sure didn't.

GLENN: Okay. So the xAI team was there to unveil Grok 4. This is the latest intelligence, and let me be very, very clear.

Last night was not your typical tech launch. This is a moment that demands everyone's full attention.

We are now at the crossroads, where promise and peril are going to collide. Okay?

I have explained to you, for years, AGI.
AI. AGI. And ASI. Narrow intelligence is what we've always had.

General intelligence is the next step. And that is, it's better that man, one -- one, you know, like Grok. Can do everything. That you can do.

Better that you can do.

Okay?

And then there's super intelligence. ASI.

Artificial super intelligence.

That's when things get really, really creepy.

When you hit AGI, the road to ASI could be overnight.

Okay?

We need to understand what's at stake here. Because Grok four brought us closer to that second stage, than ever before.

Grok four is a powerhouse. They demonstrated it last night.

It surpasses the expertise of Ph.D.-level sailors in all fields.

It can get 100 percent on any -- any test for any field, mathematics, physics. Engineering.

You name it.

This is not a search engine.

This is a system that tackles problems, so intricate, they -- they go beyond our existing knowledge base.

Okay?

Let's say there is -- let's say, we have a fusion reactor. And the magnetic containment system goes down. I don't even know what I'm talking about at this point.

But it goes down.

And the top minds all on earth are like, I don't know what to do. Grok 4 can step in, model the physics, design new material, stabilize the system, and avert catastrophe. And it can do it about that fast. Now, this is the capability, that Musk says is just around the corner.

Mark my words. You know, how many -- how many years did I say, between 2027 and 2030, we would start to see this?

STU: Oh, a million times.

That was always --

GLENN: For years. Right? Yeah, always the window.

And everybody, even Ray Kurzweil said, oh, that's way too optimistic. We may be 2050.

And then people started going, 2040, 2030.

Grok shows us 2026 or 2027 is when we're going to hit it. This is the last year, that we have, before things get really weird.

Okay?

Last night, Elon Musk is touting this -- this AI.

And all of the solutions.

And then he says.

Hmm. Probably three times.

Something like this.

And I'm quoting. This is one of them.

It's somewhat unnerving to have created intelligence that's greater than our own.

He then goes on to call it terrifying, twice.

Now, this is a man who has launched rockets, you know, into orbit.

Going to Mars.

And he says, twice!

You know, after he sees the results of it. He says, you know, it's really -- in a way, quite terrifying to see what it's doing.

But we just have to make sure that it remains good!

Oh, okay.

All right. Sure.

Now, the key point in the announcement was the mention of ARC-AGI.

I had never heard of ARC-AGI. I had no idea what it was. But I noticed AGI. And I went, uh-oh. That sounds important. So this is the gold standard. The bench mark testing for artificial general intelligence.

Okay.

As I've said before, AGI. Artificial General Intelligence is a machine that matches all human cognition, across all domains.

Reasoning, creativity.

Problem solving. Not just specialized tasks like playing Go or analyzing x-rays. Everything. For instance, Musk said by mid-next year to the latest end of next year, it will be able to create a full length movie, just from a text prompt.
And do it all at once!

So, in other words, it will say, create a movie, and you just explain the Godfather.

It will do the casting. It will do the writing. It will do the filming, if you will. It will -- score the music, and it will happen that fast.

Almost in realtime. We are nowhere near the computational power now, to do that separately.

But this will do it all at once. It will make a movie with all of it, simultaneously.

So the arc AGI system is the benchmark on how close we are to AGI. Remember, scary things happen at AGI.

Terrifying things happen at ASI. ASI could be a matter of hours, or days after we hit AGI.

Grok 4 scored 16.2 percent on the ARC-AGI scale.

Why is that important? You're like, well, only 16 percent away.

Because last time, it barely broke 8 percent.

And that -- they took that test, last time with Grok three.

And it took us forever to get to 8 percent.

Now, what is it? A year later.

We're at 16 percent. Remember, these things are not linear. The next time, we could be at 32, we might be at 64.

We are on the verge. This is the last year of -- I can't believe I'm saying this. Of normalcy. Okay?

This year is -- we're going to look back at this year, probably two years ago, gosh, remember the good old days, when everything was normal.

And you could understand everything.

This is how close we are!

Everything you and I talked about last night, Stu, about what we're doing in January, make -- put -- does it make it even more critical that that happens like, oh, I don't know.

Right now.

STU: Yeah. For sure.

GLENN: You are going to need to know your values, your ethics, your rights.

You are going to need to know absolutely everything.

Now, Grok 4 is not true AGI yet.

It lacks the full autonomy and the generalized reasoning of a human mind. But it is the closest that we've come.

It's a system that can adapt, innovate, at a level that outpaces specialized AIs by a wide margin.

This is a milestone. This is not a destination, but it's something that should jolt everybody awake. So here's what's coming over the next six months. By December 2025, that's this Christmas!

December 2025, he believes, Musk, that Grok 4, will drive breakthroughs in material sciences.

So, in other words, imagine a new -- brand-new alloy, that is lighter than aluminum. Stronger than steel.

And it revolutionizes aerospace and everything else, or a drug that halts Alzheimer's progression, tailored to a person's DNA.

Grok will drive breakthroughs through material science. So brand-new materials that nobody has ever thought of.

Pharmaceuticals that we never thought could be made.

And chemical engineering, putting together chemicals that no man has ever thought.

That's going for happen by December.

Imagine a chemical compound that makes carbon capture, economically viable. The climate change stuff, that's over.

It will be over.

Because this will solve that! These are not fantasies.

This is Grok 4.

Musk said something that he never thought. He believes that within the next year, by 2027, Grok 4 will uncover new physical laws.

So that will rewrite the understanding -- our understanding of the entire universe.

That there will come -- like there's gravity. Hey, you know what, there's another law here that you never thought of. Wait. What?

That, he says, will come by 2027. This is going to accelerate human discovery, at an unprecedented scale.

I told you, at some point. I said, by 2030. It might be a little earlier than that.

Things will be happening at such a fast rate, you won't be able to keep up with them.

And it will accelerate to the point to where you won't even understand what all of this means.

Or what the ramifications are!

Are you there yet?

In six months, Grok 4 could evolve into a system, that dwarfs human expertise in economics, defense, all of it.

Now, again, it's a bit terrifying to quote Elon Musk. Why?

Because we don't know, what else comes with this.

This is like an alien life form.

We have no idea, what to predict. What it will be capable of.

How it will view us, when we are ants, to its intellect.

Okay?

It is a tool, but it is also Pandora's box.

If Grok 4 is the biggest step towards AGI.

And maybe one of the last steps to AGI.

My feeling is: What I've been saying forever.

2027 to 2030, I'm leaning more toward the 2027 now.

Because of this announcement last night.

We are on the verge of AGI.

And everything in human existence changing overnight.

And as Musk said himself, two times, it's terrifying!

We should act like it is terrifying.

Or risk losing the control of the future, that we're all trying to build. That's the biggest story of the day.

I think! In my opinion.

Bill O’Reilly’s SOLUTION to the DOJ’s Epstein Files fallout

Bill O'Reilly joins Glenn Beck with his plan for how the Trump administration can fix the Epstein Files fallout "overnight." Plus, he explains why he believes there's only one way that former FBI Director James Comey and former CIA Director John Brennan get indicted by a grand jury.

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GLENN: All right. Bill O'Reilly.

Welcome to the program, sir! How are you?

BILL: Welcome. (inaudible)

And right off the bat, I have to correct you.

GLENN: Yeah. You're not alive. What know.

BILL: I mean, you know -- you don't know that?

GLENN: Yeah, yeah. No. I -- I thought you were dead. Anyway --

BILL: You were dead to me, oh!
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I --

GLENN: I get it.

BILL: That's just another brick in your wall, Beck.
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GLENN: It's good to talk to you, Bill.

Tell me -- you had a conversation with -- with President Trump, what, a couple of months ago, and I talked about --

BILL: Yeah. St. Patrick's Day, he invited me to sit on a cabinet meeting, which he does sometimes.

And he said, look, we've got files, Kennedy, King, Epstein -- what do you think? And I said, well, first Kennedy you've got to put out pretty much everything, which he did. King, he didn't. I don't know why. Because that's important too.

And then on Epstein I said, you have to be careful here, because this is now being used in political precincts. Both sides want to destroy anybody that was associated with Epstein. And the problem is that a federal investigation. They don't make a determination whether you had a -- what kind of relationship you had with Epstein. They just said, so-and-so had lunch with him.

Or maybe so-and-so had -- saw him at a party. And I said, any name of a human being associated with Epstein, in any way, that person is going to be destroyed. Because you know, the press is not going to put anything into context.

So I said, but it's very important that the Justice Department tell the folks what they know.

And you don't have to get specific with anything.

But you have to say, this is the information that we've compiled. And that's not hard.

And I don't know why the Trump administration is not doing that.

GLENN: Wow!

So, first of all, it's your fault, that we're not getting any names. We learned a lot here.

BILL: Probably my fault, but the president --

GLENN: You know what, I think you're right. I don't want all the names of the people. I want to know --

BILL: And I don't either.

GLENN: Right! I want to know the Justice Department has sorted through the things, and then have gone through. And said, this is criminal. This is not. These people are being indicted, et cetera, et cetera. But to come out and say, there is nothing there, I mean, it's -- it's at least --

BILL: It's ridiculous.

GLENN: It's mass incompetence, at least from Pam Bondi. How could she come out and say, it's all sitting on my desk?

And then when she doesn't release it, she says, well, that's because the FBI in New York is thwarting this process. There are people up there, that are trying to keep this from me.

And then she makes no arrests on that. We never hear about that again.

And then now all of a sudden, there's nothing to see.

BILL: Well, listen, Pam Bondi does not make decisions on her own.

No cabinet member does.

All the decisions come out of the West Wing.

So what I believed happened was, Trump was so obsessed with the big bill, with Iran, with Putin, with China.

That this -- they didn't even think about this. Okay?

GLENN: I believe that.

BILL: And it slowly began to unravel. And then I caught it by surprise.

But this is the easiest fix. Somewhere so easy.

BILL: So if I'm in charge, and that would be a great thing for everyone, except you, Beck -- but every other American, if I were in charge, tremendous. You would be in Botswana. Right.

GLENN: Right. Oh, I know.

Yeah. Yeah. I would be the ambassador of the white farmers in -- in South Africa if it were up to you. I know. I know.

BILL: No. You would be wandering around going, I am Glenn Beck. And they would go, who? That's what you'd be doing.

GLENN: That's every day.

BILL: So this could happen within the hour. Pam Bondi announces a press conference for tomorrow.

At that press conference, sitting next to her, is Merrick Garland, everyone.

You had this stuff for four years! Now, I understand that Mr. Garland has gone native and is living in a -- well, we can find him. We can pull him out of there, and have him and Pam, sit there and answer questions in a general way about what evidence the Justice Department of the United States has compiled.

GLENN: Not going to happen.

BILL: That's it!

Well, if it's not going to happen, then President Trump is going to take a hit.

But he's calculating that this will say that it's that night important.

But I don't know why you would not do it.

I just don't know. And I'm usually pretty good at predicting what the president does or does not do.

GLENN: So here's the thing, Bill.

I think he keeps focusing on Epstein. It's not that big of a deal.

It's not about Epstein. It's about justice.

It's about, can we trust the people -- correct!

It's all about credibility and justice.

And he's not seeing that. And I don't know how he's missing that. Because I agree with you.

He's been so busy on so many other things.

BILL: That's right. That's right.

GLENN: This is not at the top of his priority list.

But he did campaign on it.

BILL: Right.

And I don't know if there's anybody inside the White House.

He looks to be annoyed, when this subject comes up.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

BILL: And here's the -- what works -- you have to understand.

A guy like Donald Trump runs it all.

If he's annoyed, nobody will want to annoy him more. Okay?

GLENN: Oh, I know.

BILL: That's how it works. The older arch is, because Epstein got favorable treatment.

By the feds, in the first go around in Florida, that there's a deep suspicion about this case.

But if you break it down, if the Biden administration had any dirt on any Republican associated with Epstein. It would have been out.

And vice-versa.

If the Republicans had any dirt on any Democrats. Now, we know that former president Clinton, was involved with Epstein to some extent.

I don't know if that was a factor, okay? I don't know.

But your right for once. You're right. It's about credibility. It's about the American people trusting that we do have equal justice for all!

So what do you -- what do you make of now the Russia gate thing, coming out, today. Or yesterday.

The FISA court.

The fact that they're now saying, hey.

You know, we need to hold Brennan accountable.

We're like five or six days away.

Weeks away from him, you know, slipping past the -- the statute of limitations.

I mean, all these things are out today.

There's that. There is also the -- let's see here.

The Secret Service -- I think this happened a year ago.

But it's being reported as if it's news.

Secret Service suspends six agents assigned to protect Trump during a Butler assassination attempt. I mean, all these things are coming out. Like, look, we're busy on all these things. And I do believe they're busy on these things.

But it's like the Keystone Cops are in charge of the PR on this. It's bad.

BILL: Well, there's a lot of politics involved in both of those cases. Number one, in order to get Comey and Brennan to get indicted by a grand jury. Federal grand jury, and that's the only passage, you would have to have a whistle-blower, saying, yeah, these guys abused their power. I worked for them. And they absolutely wanted to get Trump.

And they knew the Russia dossier was phony.

And they did it anyway.

If I have that Justice Department.

Then you can get those guys.

If you don't have it, they will not be even indicted by a grand jury.

GLENN: So how is it that we do not have that Justice Department?

How do we not have that Justice Department?

BILL: Well, look. I don't know whether they have a whistle-blower or not, okay?

And if they have a whistle-blower, I want the case to go forward.

I want those two men indicted.

You can't do that, at that level.

As far as the Secret Service is concerned, monumental screw up. Everybody knows it. They fired the morons in charge of it. That woman -- I was embarrassed listening to her, trying to explain.

They didn't know what the deuce was going on. But this was across-the-board, in the Biden administration.

You know, it was a year ago Sunday, this upcoming Sunday.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: And it's just another example of how the Biden administration was the second worst administration in the history of this country. People have no idea how bad it was.

Every single agency was chaotic. Nothing worked. And this is just part of that. And we'll have a slew of stuff on Sunday. Nothing really meaningful.

I mean, they suspended the Secret Service agents, as they should have. They fired the director as they should have. The guy was a nut.

I don't know if there was anything more to that. I doubt it.

I'm more interested in the guy in the bushes. Because they don't know anything about him. I would like to know a little bit about him.

But again, the federal government, it doesn't really matter. It's the government. They never want to tell us stuff, Beck, never.

We always have to pull it out of them. It's almost like Russia or something. Come on!

GLENN: Right. Yeah. Let me ask you, let me take you back again to the Epstein thing.

I noticed yesterday, there were these people who were on the left. Who were taking tweets of mine. That say, look. These things don't make sense. On the Epstein thing. And they just have to be answered. And not anti-Trump at all.

And yet, the anti-Trump people were retweeting that, and they're trying to -- they're trying to get the right to fight against itself again and split people away from Donald Trump, where I don't think this Epstein thing is -- is splitting people from Donald Trump, at least at this point.

And I -- you know, I -- my wife stopped me from answering some of those tweets, yesterday.

Because it's never good, when you -- when I tweet in anger. Which I did.

But -- or was going to. What did you think about how this is being used against the right to try to separate us even more?

BILL: Everything is political. Everybody knows that for you.

But the MAGA people, from the mail I get. And I get a voluminous amount of mail. They're not happy.

GLENN: Oh, I agree. I'm not happy.

BILL: Now, are they going to throw President Trump under the cliché-ridden bus? No. Because to them, the greater good is being served by a fair tax bill.

Trying to cut waste.

Dealing with Iran effectively. And hopefully dealing with Putin.

That's another thing, that's on Trump's plate.

He has to deal with Putin now.

Has to. And that will be the next big story.

GLENN: How is he going to deal with it?

BILL: Lavrov and Rubio, are in Indonesia, as we speak.

And I assume that Rubio is delivering a message. That you either stop, or we're going to just absolutely crush you economically. Which the United States can do. By saying. No bank does business with Moscow.

And if you do business, no matter what bank you are, we're going to put you out of business.

Okay?

GLENN: Yeah. I've only got a couple of seconds. But didn't we already do that under Biden?

BILL: No! We didn't do the banks. We did the sanctions. And the sanctions they can always get around, because China is going to buy as much oil from Russia as possible.

You stop the banks, from doing all business with Moscow? Who is going --

GLENN: Isn't that what the SWIFT thing was all about?

When we kicked them off of SWIFT, wasn't that what that was all about?

BILL: No! Because they can still do a huge business with countries buying their oil.

And they got to pay Putin and Russia for the oil, and that has to go through the banking system.

If you stop the banking system, he can't get paid.

GLENN: Hmm, it's amazing. I'm glad I'm not the president right now. I think he's made some very brave decisions, and he is walking a tightrope. I mean, the world is on edge. And I pray for --

BILL: He looks very tired to me. Very tired. I haven't talked to him in a while, which is unusual. But you're right. You're absolutely right. That's the second time you've been right in this conversation. My God!

GLENN: I know. It's crazy.

BILL: What in the world.

GLENN: I was wrong about you being dead.

BILL: What is happening?

GLENN: It's good -- it's good to talk to you, my friend. Is everything okay? Is everything going well?

BILL: Everything is all right, Beck. We are not only successful, but that's old news. We've been that way for 50 years, but I appreciate you having me on your fine program.

GLENN: Okay. I love you.

BILL: Stu is still breathing.

GLENN: Hmm.

BILL: So that's good. Right.

But I've got a big book called Confronting Evil. Of course, we sent it, and of course you denied getting it. That comes out September 9th, so put me on a dance card.

GLENN: Well, we'll have you on. And you can also find Bill and his YouTube page. YouTube.com/BillOReilly. Or is it The Walking Dead?
(laughter)
He's not even laughing. Maybe he hung up. Bill O'Reilly, great to have him on.

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