RADIOJune 02, 2022

Will ANYONE go to prison for Clinton’s WITCH-HUNT against Trump?

Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann was acquitted of lying to the FBI on Tuesday, thanks to a federal jury in D.C. The decision was a ‘gut punch,’ Glenn says, but perhaps not an outright surprise. So is there a way forward for Durham’s investigation into Hillary’s 2016 witch-hunt against President Trump? Co-founder of The Federalist, Sean Davis, joins Glenn to discuss the lessons we’ve learned so far. Plus, Davis argues that if NO ONE goes to prison for this entire scandal, it means the rule of law against political actors in D.C. is OVER.

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GLENN: Sean Davis from the Federalist. The CEO and cofounder is joining us now. Sean, I saw this. And I wasn't surprised by the acquittal just because of the jury.

But I don't really know exactly, what does that mean? I mean, it implicated Clinton, and the media. But are we done now?

SEAN: Well, I think we're probably done with running cases in the district of Columbia, where the jury clearly did nullification, which is basically, they don't even listen to the facts. They decided coming in, they didn't like the case. And that was going to be it.

So I think if you actually want conviction, that -- that case has to be the end of bringing it into DC. Because it's similar to what you see in elections in North Korea or Iraq. Where they get 99 percent of the vote.

GLENN: Yeah. And it was weird. You had one juror come out and say, so what, if they lied to the FBI. Everybody does it. There are bigger crimes.

Than lying to the FBI? Really? When you're talking about the future of our country? And corruption and trying to take out a seated president? Really?

I mean --

SEAN: Well, compare that to the Michael Flynn trial. Recall that Michael Flynn was completely set up. His name was leaked in order to destroy him the Trump administration early on in the administration. And when evidence came out, that he was completely set up, that he didn't lie. And that the DOJ and the prosecutors themselves, said there's no case here. A corrupt judge in the DC district court said, no. Actually I'm not going to let you pull these charges. So compare that to what just happened with this DNC lawyer. And it tells you everything you need to know about the so-called justice system, when it comes to political people in DC. It doesn't exist.

GLENN: I mean, I really didn't even think it would make it to court. I didn't even think of the court, being so screwed up.

I didn't think about the DC court. I mean, that was just a blow.

I knew it was coming. Because, you know, once I saw the jury selection.

There's no way, this is going to go anywhere. Now, tell me what it means, going forward.

Anything?

SEAN: I think going forward -- oh, absolutely.

I think we learned so much on how Durham prosecuted this.

We learned, for example, that Hillary greenlits that entire completely bogus alpha bank hoax against Trump during the 2016 election. We learned a lot of additional information in there.

And I think just reading the tea leaves. And, of course, I could be wrong. Durham is building a much, much bigger case. And I think the whole alpha based thing with Sussmann lying about it, showed just how completely corrupt the FBI and the media are. They were working together. They were sharing information. They were ceding things with each other to do this sort of circular confirmation thing. I think we're going to get a lot more about how the entire Russiagate investigation, launched by the FBI against Trump in 2016 was itself a hoax from the beginning.

GLENN: From the beginning.

SEAN: So I expect that Durham will unravel that. But we'll see.

GLENN: Okay. So my speculation was that he was hoping that Sussmann would turn. And he could get the things that he needed from him, as he would turn on, you know, the Clinton campaign. He didn't turn. But he did -- I mean, he gave all that information, in the end anyway. It all came out in the end.

So was this originally just a foundation laying case, and a search for the truth that Sussmann couldn't get out of people in his investigation?

JONATHAN: Well, it could be. Because we actually -- or not we. Durham was able to get access to a whole bunch of emails he didn't have previously. That the DNC and Hillary campaign and Fusion GPS were all pretending were privileged communications with their attorneys.

Durham was able to significantly pierce that during the trial. And to me, kind of the foundation goes back to when that inspector general report came out, from the Department of Justice IG. And in that report, the IG said, oh, there's no evidence that the Russia thing was political. And it was legally predicated. And on that day, Durham himself came out and issued a statement, that he, based on his review of the evidence, didn't think that was true. We haven't even heard anything about that since that day. I think at the end of 2019. And I believe that that's where we'll end up. We will find out what exactly started this bogus investigation.

GLENN: So -- so do you know yet, as Durham telegraphed at all, what comes next?

SEAN: Well, we have -- he hasn't telegraphed it. We have another indictment sitting out, of Igor Danchenko, who is the so-called primary subsource for all of the nonsensical lives peddled by Christopher Steele and his dossier against Trump.

This guy is a Russian national living in the US, used to work at Brookings, shocker, who had peddled all sorts of nonsense. Including that intimates videotape that didn't exist of Trump in a hotel in Moscow. So that trial is still upcoming. And that trial is in Virginia. So that will play out differently than the DC case against Sussmann.

GLENN: Yeah. Have you been watching what's happening in the northern Virginia school district? I'm not sure it's that different. Maybe this time it will be different.

Thank you so much, I appreciate you watching this. If you had to pull one thing that everybody should get out of this, it is...

JONATHAN: It's that people at the FBI, don't go to prison for this. Then the rule of law in this country is dead.

GLENN: I hate to say, I agree with you.

Thank you so much, Sean, I appreciate it. You bet, of the Federalist. I mean, that was -- that was the gut punch yesterday.

I expected it to happen. But that was the real gut punch.

And then it was followed by the juror who said, you know, what's the big deal, lying to the FBI? What's the big deal?

I mean, first in the '90s, it was, you know, so he lied about sex. He's married. It's no big deal.

Okay. Well, you don't lie to the FBI. And you don't lie under oath. But it was just about sex. It was nothing important.

This is about taking down the president of the United States. This is about using the full force and image of the Justice Department and everything else. To stand against and mount a campaign against a sitting president. That's not just about having sex. But now, the same group of people, with the Clintons involved again, eh. Lying doesn't really matter.

STU: It doesn't. It doesn't seem to matter. Other than that, what's gone on here?

It doesn't seem that big of a deal when you explain it that way. It's just about taking down a president. And, look, we all know there's all sorts of awful things that happened in the background of campaigns. Right?

We all know that people leak information. They do opposition research. This is reality.

GLENN: Nixon left office because someone tried to hack in at the time it was physical. Because you couldn't hack in. Tried to get information. From the Democratic, you know, office in Washington, DC.

There was nothing of value there.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: And then they didn't continue to spy and, you know, any of that stuff. He left office.

Because he was going to be impeached for doing that. You can't even get a low-level attorney.

STU: Yeah. Right.

GLENN: In trouble for lying to the FBI, about a bogus thing. That just didn't happen. Just before the election. It ran during his -- his -- his presidency.

They didn't stop.

STU: The Nixon thing was another time. And one -- I think you told the story many times of your dad, right? Around the Nixon time. Saying, it changed everything. And maybe it was part of the thing that got the ball rolling on this. In the wrong direction.

GLENN: Well, in the wrong direction, it did. Because that's why everyone went to journalism school. All the people ahead now. They all went to journalism school. Because they saw that two reporters, could topple a president. And they learned the wrong lesson. They now think that they can topple any president. Because they don't like it.

STU: As I was saying, we all know, terrible people were involved in this campaign, all the time. There are people that are -- that some of them are fine. A lot of them are terrible. It's just -- it's a terrible industry. It's created with people who -- who want to just destroy others. Like literally, their job is to destroy the lives of other people. As you go through these campaigns. And many of the strategists are on this. That's part of the reason, why, I'm less -- I don't know. Activated, interested, riveted, by what happens to the Clintons themselves. As I am, to what the media did with all this information. And how they handled it. I mean, they took this information with them. They told us, it was true. They -- they also tried to destroy a president and many, many people lives. Including low-level underlings of Trump. We've talked to several of them. And there has never been a moment where they said, holy crap, we got that one wrong. Hey, wow. We thought Donald Trump was really bad. Therefore, we jumped the gun on this. We believed all the bad stuff and that's our fault. And here's what we'll do in our future to correct it.

GLENN: No. They don't think they made a mistake.

STU: It's not one family, or one group of shady campaign operatives --

GLENN: And I never thought -- the Clintons will die rich and unhappy, and that's -- that's enough for me.

They are -- they're never going to go to jail. Anybody who thinks they are. They're sadly mistaken. They'll never going to jail. I didn't expect that.

But the fact that the FBI gets away with it. And the media gets away with it. In collusion with the Clintons. Is insane. What have you taught, attorneys, what have you taught campaigns?

As long as you're on the right side of the FBI, they'll help you. That's not good. Not good.

Shocking train video: Passengers wait while woman bleeds out

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

Disclaimer: This episode was filmed prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But Glenn believes Max's message is needed now more than ever.
The political world is divided, constantly at war with itself. In many ways, our own lives are not much different. Why do we constantly focus on the negative? Why are we in pain? Where is God amid our anxiety and fear? Why can’t we ever seem to change? Pastor Max Lucado has found the solution: Stop thinking like that! It may seem easier said than done, but Max joins Glenn Beck to unpack the three tools he describes in his new book, “Tame Your Thoughts,” that make it easy for us to reset the way we think back to God’s factory settings. In this much-needed conversation, Max and Glenn tackle everything from feeling doubt as a parent to facing unfair hardships to ... UFOs?! Plus, Max shares what he recently got tattooed on his arm.

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Are Demonic Forces to Blame for Charlie Kirk, Minnesota & Charlotte Killings?

This week has seen some of the most heinous actions in recent memory. Glenn has been discussing the growth of evil in our society, and with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk, the recent transgender shooter who took the lives of two children at a Catholic school, and the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, how can we make sense of all this evil? On today's Friday Exclusive, Glenn speaks with BlazeTV host of "Strange Encounters" Rick Burgess to discuss the demon-possessed transgender shooter and the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Rick breaks down the reality of demon possession and how individuals wind up possessed. Rick and Glenn also discuss the dangers of the grotesque things we see online and in movies, TV shows, and video games on a daily basis. Rick warns that when we allow our minds to be altered by substances like drugs or alcohol, it opens a door for the enemy to take control. A supernatural war is waging in our society, and it’s a Christian’s job to fight this war. Glenn and Rick remind Christians of what their first citizenship is.