Is the Golden Dawn Party spreading to the United States?

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First of all, who is the Golden Dawn Party? Oh…just the Nazis – and as they continue to gain influence in Greece, the New York Times is reporting that the Golden Dawn Party is apparently attempting to spread their roots in New York City. Is there anyone who could have predicted this? Like a slightly pudgy radio and television host with a penchant for suspenders? Anyone know anyone like that?

“I don’t know why they’re getting into these conspiracies and this fear‑mongering at the New York Times but now (The Golden Dawn Party) actually has a website and is organizing people in New York City.  It’s the Nazis.  Warning,” Glenn said.

The New York Times reports:

Just a few months ago, the name Golden Dawn was something to be whispered in Greece.

But three months after the extremist right-wing group won an electoral foothold in Parliament, talk of Golden Dawn seems to be on everybody’s lips.

In cafes, taxis and bars, Greeks across the political spectrum are discussing the palpable surge in Golden Dawn’s popularity, which has risen in recent political polls even as the group steps up a campaign of vigilantism and attacks against immigrants.

The poll gains come amid growing disenchantment over rising illegal immigration, and with the government of Prime Minister Antonis Samaras, which is being forced by its international lenders to push through $15 billion in additional, highly unpopular, austerity measures. If Greece were to hold new elections soon, Golden Dawn could emerge as the third-largest party in Parliament, behind Mr. Samaras’s New Democracy and the left-wing Syriza. Currently, Golden Dawn is the fifth largest, with 18 out of 300 seats.

“Why are these things happening?  If you look at the article, if you look at the articles that talk about in Greece or in the New York Times that talk about the Nazis, the Golden Dawn party coming here, you will see that people are talking ‑‑ that are supporting these guys that they’ve just had enough,  quoting:  ‘The unholy alliance of the bankers, the media, corrupt politicians and the educational system are vehemently attempting to extinguish all traces of Hellenism — past, present and future — through poverty, historical revisionism, media distortions and third world immigration. Golden Dawn is the only party that truly recognizes the problem and has the solution’,” Glenn read.

Glenn said that some of the people in Greece said the Golden Dawn are “the only ones out there demonstrating they care about the Greek people.” He also warned that with the bias and lies in the media and the feeling of many in America that no one in government represents their interests, similar radical groups could gain a foothold here in America.

 

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    It occurred before WW2, among the Nationalist Socialists and the Communists. So why is it a surprise they are on the rise for a second time?

    Extremist factions such as the Nazi parties, no matter the name given they are one and the same under an insane ideology, sense the weakening of America and thus seek to make what inroads they can.

    If the chance for them occurs to gain power, in any degree, they will. Remember that Van Jones declared he will strive to create a party of his own to run for offices on the county, city, state, and federal levels of government?

    His will be on the socialist-communist party line; and will be emerging in 2014-2016.

    Other extremist groups will seek their own inroads, especially the Muslim Brotherhood; often in alliances of convenience with one another until one gains too much power and has to be disposed of. This will allow other groups to arise, using the chaos and terror to try and win power for themselves.

    The net losers in the end will be Americas people.

    As of today we are on the bridge of the Rubicon; we are stopped midway and can either turn back to freedom, or go forward step by step to tyranny and the death of the Republic.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    I bet the Occupiers are the ones that started it in our country. This is our wakeup call we cannot let the holocaust happen again. We cannot stay silent as they turn us Nazi. No we must stand against the forces of evil and never give in as my favorite Scientist once said “The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.” Einstein is right if we do nothing than evil will win.

  • Lioness

    Human nature at it’s finest. Nothing like falling for the same old predictable cliché. I mean really, did anyone ever know of a time when Communism was a good thing? It’s not like we’re all isolated and unaware of what it is? How could any sane person support that? I’m having a unreal moment here!!! If Einstein were alive today he’d have to write a theory on stupidity.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    This is one of the main reasons the progressives agenda has been the dumbing down of the education system of our schools; to bring about a state of apathy and of ignorance in history, governance and so much more.

    If we forget the past, then we are condemned to repeat the same mistakes over and over again, allowing the progressives to manipulate people and events to their own constant advantages.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    If you wish to see examples of a ‘theory on stupidity’ go to TheHill.com and see the trolls at work. Some of them are getting so exasperated that they have run out of insults to call people and try to goad reactions from us.

  • Anonymous

    My dad fought the Nazis in WWII. He must be spinning in his grave right now. I never thought in a millions years it would come to our shores. God help us if they get a foothold.

  • new2la

    I don’t think they ever left. It’s called the cockroach affect; run and hide.

  • Matt Driscoll

    I too have a favorite Einstein quote:

    “I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils
    (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist
    economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented
    toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are
    owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned
    economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would
    distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would
    guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of
    the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would
    attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men
    in place of the glorification of power and success in our present
    society.”

    Albert Einstein, Why Socialism?, 1949 [13]

  • Matt Driscoll

    “Fascists have commonly opposed having a firm association with any section of the left-right spectrum, considering it inadequate to describe their beliefs,
    though fascism’s goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately
    superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately
    inferior is identified as a prominent far-right theme. Fascism opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and two major forms of socialism — communism and social democracy.

  • Matt Driscoll

    If you are going to argue at least get your facts right. Progressives fully support education. It is narrow minded, thick skulled anti-intellectuals like yourself that seek to “dumb down” the education system.

  • Matt Driscoll

    In his article Why Socialism?, published in 1949 in the Monthly Review, Einstein described a chaotic capitalist
    society, a source of evil to be overcome, as the “predatory phase of
    human development”. In this article Einstein expressed both his support
    for socialism as a social and economic system, and his
    distrust for the bureaucratic and authoritarian excesses of the Soviet
    Union. Sorry you are wrong…so utterly misinformed.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Neo-nazis have always been present in the U.S. you dork. I know what your response is going to be, “How do you know they are here Matt? You must be a neo-Nazi.” No friend that is not the case at all. I, unlike yourselves, am an informed citizen who gets his news from all types of sources…not just Glennbeck.com.

  • Matt Driscoll

    In his article Why Socialism?, published in 1949 in the Monthly Review, Einstein described a chaotic capitalist
    society, a source of evil to be overcome, as the “predatory phase of
    human development”. In this article Einstein expressed both his support
    for socialism as a social and economic system, and his
    distrust for the bureaucratic and authoritarian excesses of the Soviet
    Union. Sorry you are wrong…so utterly misinformed.

  • new2la

    “The Road to Serfdom” by Frederick A. Hayek. You might want to look into this book while you are in the mood to read.

  • new2la

    Einstein wrote that while enjoying the riches of what Capitalism provided him with the sale of all his books, papers & letters, no Matt?

  • new2la

    Just like Obama enjoying his exclusive vacations on our dime; The result of capitalism….smart!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Mark-Pilling/662233082 Steven Mark Pilling

    No, Matt. “Progressives” do NOT support education and never have. They support indoctrination. Maybe that’s the same thing in your book, but we know the difference. The difference lies in citizenship, truth and God.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    He also said this “A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.” See in 1949 he did support socialism but if he would see that most countries that tried it back then turn into third world countries and the countries like our surpassing them by huge leaps he would of took back those words if he could of seen what capitalism did for this country and others. What I like about this man is that he looked at facts and would not ignore them like you left wingers do today. I know by studying him he would not be a socialist today because the evidence of socialism actually doing anything good is just not their ask France, Italy, Cuba, Spain, China, North Korea, Russia before the fall, and any other Marxist country. It is odd that it works until you lose all the rich people’s money and have no money to spend to give to the poor. He would of saw it as a failure today it make the poor poorer and the rich poor and helps no one and I am sure he would not support rights being taken away from people as Obama socialist do all the time. Hell I heard of a socialist country banning men from peeing standing up for God sake and you think that he would support that type of stupidity today. That is why he didn’t like the Soviet Union and why he would hate socialism today as well.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    To be far it works great until they lose other people’s money then they go right off a cliff. It is sad that these idiots want to try something that keeps failing. A mindless idiot up their thinks that Einstein would support socialism now when it clearly failed over and over again but reading about a true man like he was he could know way support a failure of this magnitude today and would of seen it for what it was why the left can’t see it is beyond stupidity.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Ha Einstein would see socialism as a failure today. He was not a blind fool and did not live to see most socialist countries fail.

  • Lioness

    First off ass I’m not misinformed, it was clear I was replying with a sarcastic comment. I really don’t know much about Einstein nor did I ever profess to know, I was commenting about this crazy Communism crap. Now as for Sam’s reply to you, there is a lot of logic in stating that he may have not seen the results of such beliefs, and may have denounced them once he did. But from what I read on his theories of socialism, like so many a mathematical mind, he does not have a good grasp on human nature.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1334883866 John Scurich

    I’ve read how hackers from liberal-progresive organizations have hacked into and shut down the Golden Dawn’s website here in the U.S. That’s not surprising because liberals and progressives live in fear of nationalists because they know nationalists go after them first and use them as poster children for the problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1334883866 John Scurich

    Sam, I can tell you the Occupiers would not be with nationalists because the know the nationalists will go after them first to make an example of them. Nationalists generally despise lazy people who don’t want to work – and that perfectly describes the Occupiers. Believe me, the Occupiers would run in fear from the Golden Dawn because unlike the police, the Golden Dawn members would not worry about an Occupiers civil rights when removing them from public.

  • Anonymous

    he was also a physicist and not an economist or philosopher. I wouldn’t go to Locke for theories on electromagnetic stuff.

  • Anonymous

    Very interesting. Coming to a city near you, soon? Why not? Let’s see who will get the votes of the people—the Muslims or the Nazis. Might make for exciting politics. Well, if you consider the socialist in the WH, is that like Nazi-lite? And while on that subject (Nazis), saw a replay on PBS (I know) of Upstairs Downstairs set in 1937 when it was on the rise in Germany and also had English ”leaders” like Oswald Mosley and his British Union of Facists. But, hey! It was also going on in the US—they marched, they rallied, they had followers. And who thinks history doesn’t repeat?

  • Anonymous

    The Nazis would be very stupid to violate the hollowed ground of the Sodomites.(New York City) Thee Obamanation will smash the Nazis easily with the Red Army.(U.S military). There is only so much free money to go around. Before long the Communist are going to run out of trees printing all that funny money.

  • Bonnie Somer

    absolutely this is obama in a nutshell his world his hatred of the America we are his global world vision w/the UN and us in a postition of weakness if WE let it happen this election determines 2 things how much u like FREEDOM or GOVT and what u will do to preserve the freedom u have. Our prez has ignored the constitution and now is like Hitler he is readying himself for the term of our demise as a nation and the holocaust will lk lke a tea party if we don’t wake up NOW

  • Anonymous

    You got that right. Socialism will never work, as it goes against human nature. Creative, and innovative people will not work for free. If one can not gain, one will not work. Capitalism is the only fair system. You get what you put into it. Why should someone work hard, if their gains will be taken away and given to a lazy person? They won’t, that is the problem with Socialism. Not only do you run out of other peoples money, but you also take away all incentive to do more.
    PS: right about the ass part too.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Yes those are also true and he was not even a people’s person and really doubt that he knew human nature or knew how the real world worked outside of a lab. he supported the nuclear bomb program and tried to shut it down once he found out that Nazi Germany was no longer a threat so I have no doubt based on how he treated other things that he saw as mistakes like I am sure he would see socialism as a failure he would of thought it as he did with our nuclear bomb program.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Well they would now because they need the support and can’t afford to turn help away. I bet the occupiers didn’t do their homework and the Nazis have a history of using people for their own means like they did with Russia. I also have no doubts that after they use them to gain power in this country that they will do as you said they would do. They just need these idiots for the short term.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Your right he really did not. I mean this is a guy that divorced his wife to marry his aunt.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Looks like he is just another one of these drive by trolls.

  • Anonymous

    He thinks he is smart. I don’t care who supports Socialism. You and Lioness are right. It just doesn’t work, and it will never work. Because it goes against human nature.

  • Anonymous

    SAM,

    I’m sure you have heard the famous quote by Einstein: “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition, from mediocre minds?”

    Are you aware of the context in which Einstein wrote and spoke those words? Albert and many of his contemporaries had socialist sympathies, to varying degrees. Certainly Oppenheimer did? Ouch!

    Anyway, I could give you brief summary on the quote, but, rather I urge you look it up, even Wikipedia, etc., as post WWII and Hiroshima/Nagasaki had an influence on those men…

    Respectfully
    Purveyor

  • new2la

    There is a fine line between genius and madness.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    All true and I know that my comments are speculation on my part but I can’t see him supporting socialism today based on the failures that been clearly seen. A socialist he might have been but if he were alive today he would have seen it as a failure. He done things on pure scientific principle unlike scientist do today and if an idiot like me can see the failure surly Einstein could of. Too bad he is not around today to ask him. I have to look up the context of that quote because I not sure of the background for it. Oppenheimer indeed. :) Thanks for the nice chat friend.

  • radical1a

    Matt Driscollget your facts straight , Progressives fully support Propaganda in Education

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1334883866 John Scurich

    Sam, in that respect you might very well be right – and that still proves my point – that the Nationalists despise the Occupiers and Communists, but might very well use them until they accomplish their nationalist objective, then they will dispense with them – or worse – because deep down the nationalists want to eliminate all people they deem as “useless” – and they would deem the Occupiers and communists as that. That is precisely what Hitler did.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.doeman.984 John Doeman

    we cannot let the holocaust happen again
    — don’t you mean a holocaust? which holocaust are you referring to?

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.doeman.984 John Doeman

    Einstein expressed both his support
    for socialism as a social and economic system

    of course he did … he was a jew.
    know the enemy

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Yes sir that is the scariest part about it.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Einstein did support it but not the totalitarian type that the progs pushed but if he were alive today I still think he would not support it because of the overwhelming amount of evidence that it does not work. He was not a mindless tool like most progs. He was a true scientist and that is why a respect him but there are some things I disagree with him like the whole socialist thing I can’t get behind.

  • greywolfrs

    You are an uninformed dunce, who wouldn’t know the truth if it walked up, kicked you between the legs and gave you a fat lip.

  • greywolfrs

    “Progressives” are for education, as long as it follows what they believe. You are a complete fool.

  • greywolfrs

    Socialism/Communism has turned into Totalitarianism, EVERY TIME. You do know what Totalitarianism is, right? Stupid M F er.

  • greywolfrs

    You are the only one that is misinformed. You really should look into Totalitarianism, dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    Actually, Socialism/Communism fails long before what you are saying. The problem is human nature. When socialism/communism is instituted, the people at the top believe they deserve more than the common people. That happens almost immediately and changes pure Socialism/Communism into Totalitarianism. The greed of the people at the top can not be avoided, that is why Socialism/Communism will never work.

  • greywolfrs

    Except the part morons like you miss. Fascism or Socialism/Communism ALWAYS leads to Totalitarianism, which is a dictatorship and is neither left or right. Dunce.

  • Anonymous

    I respect Einstein too. Science tells us, hard science anyway…if you do the same experiment over and over and get the same results…you’ve proven your theory. If you apply science to Socialism…well you know… Failure, as it goes against human nature. Humans are not insects, like ants or bees, and will not work for the collective…unless forced…totalitarian. It just can’t lead to anything else. Anyone, who believes anything else, is a fool, and has much too learn about human nature and behavior.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. Agree 100%. Some are more equal than others (always).

  • greywolfrs

    In the end, it is never truly pure socialism/communism. Once those people feel they deserve more, it turns into a dictatorship, which is not socialism or communism, it is Totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is neither left or right.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. They and everyone else always wants more. That’s why I like Capitalism, if you want more get off your booty and get it.

  • Matt Driscoll

    How is a quote being misinformed? Please tell me. By the way is communism is the extreme of liberalism then totalitarianism is the extreme of conservatism. Read the book “The Fascist Tradition.” Thank me later.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Again I posted a quote from a man who was misrepresented on here. I said nothing about my opinion. You are extremely thick.

  • Matt Driscoll

    This is not a valid argument as you cannot assume what someone who has passed would think. That would be along the lines of me saying Jesus would not agree with the current state of Christianity…an assumption I think is completely correct.

  • Matt Driscoll

    According to Linus Pauling, Einstein later expressed regret about his letter to Roosevelt. In 1947, Einstein wrote an article for The Atlantic Monthly
    arguing that the United States should not try to pursue an atomic
    monopoly, and instead should equip the United Nations with nuclear
    weapons for the sole purpose of maintaining deterrence.

    So Einstein also supports the U.N. as well as socialism? Hmmm. He obviously does not have much in common with any of you. Also the article he wrote “Why Scoialism?” was written in 1949, well after the Manhattan Project. Nice try putting word in the mouth of this great man.

  • Matt Driscoll

    But he was incredibly insightful and wise unlike any of you.

  • Matt Driscoll

    So why bring Einstein into it? You misrepresented a wise, intelligent man. I suggest you try and be more like him.

  • Matt Driscoll

    “The Facist Tradition” I will read yours if you read mine.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    “It works great”… at what point? When they seize private property and displace dissidents in re-education camps? When people starve at the “system” realigns so that supplies are “equally” distributed?

    It’s feudalism with a pseudo-election process. It only ever works out for celebrities, high-ranking military, and bureaucrats. They’re able to pool the resources of the entire country to do whatever they want with them. And it only ever lasts as long as the military doesn’t decide they want to rule instead of the bureaucrats, or until the population revolts. It never works great.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Ok maybe that is a little unfair to you and I did say to someone else here already it was just speculation. I respect him for what he did for science and not his political views.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Fascism and free-market economics do not mix, so what is your point? You do know who Hayek was don’t you? Do you know anything about Hayek?

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    It was mocking sarcasm directed to all socialist.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Fascism is a collectivist system. It is only distinct in having a narrower hierarchy than bureaucratic collectivist systems (basic communism). Any system that centers around collecting/pooling resources by force of the state is collectivist in nature. A fascist system can be corporatist, it can be communist, it can be socialist in nature… it can be mixes of them. It doesn’t matter. They’re all in the spectrum of collectivist systems. Collectivism and totalitarianism are inextricably linked.

  • new2la

    Well, well, well. Now we know where you are coming from. Do us a favor and don’t waste YOUR time any further by posting here; it absolutely does not benefit you whatsoever to do so.

  • Anonymous

    Like it! Your post.

  • Anonymous

    What is “right-wing” about Golden Dawn?

  • MarsBarsTru7

    @ Those of you arguing about Einstein – Einstein was a secularist. Einstein advocated socialism.

    It is consistent from the 19-21st centuries that the secular scientific community has consistently advocated collectivist systems. It is due to their very pragmatic amoral views on humankind.

    Look up the Zeitgeist movement. Look up who Marx and the Secular Progressives and the Eugenicists looked to for the basis of their ideas. It was Darwin. It was the numerous other secular scientists of the 19th century.

    There is no inherent virtue to intelligence or the lack of intelligence. There is no connection between intelligence and morality. There is no connection between intelligence and the inherent nature of a person to do good or evil. The worst villains of history were geniuses by anyone’s standard.

    Intelligence is the intellectual tool with which a person is born and/or develops throughout a life time. It relates to a person’s capacity to think. Do not assume your political rivals and enemies are incompetent or unintelligent. Yes, the low ranking stooges tend to always be dummies. But these are not the people pulling the strings.

    Wake up – The Einsteins of the world are not the be-all end-all sources of truth, and certainly not for what is right and wrong. You either believe in absolutes and that the truths of morality do not change or you believe that all is relative. Truth is truth, regardless of the source. Otherwise, you might as well throw in your lot with those willing to let materialist “science” determine the fate of mankind.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Got it.

    I’m not reading sarcasm too well right now. I just got done spending a couple hours on YouTube in the comments sections there and if you’ve ever been there then you know they types that frequent it. Irrational thought is so commonplace that one comes to expect it after a while.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    No, he wasn’t a Jew. He was a secularist.

    So, what are your thoughts on Jews?

  • Anonymous

    Wow, great post.

  • weedsfromthesameroot

    Glenn Beck you are a hypocrite. You bash Golden Dawn because the group says Greece should put Greeks first, while shameless fellating the rogue state that breaks every international law known to man, ISRAEL. Israel legislates based on RACE, they do not allow interracial marriages, they shamelessly push Arabs off property they have DEEDS to, and you do nothing but applaud this!

    Funny how all these people with supposed differences, like Neo-cons, communists, liberals, Anarchists, Zionists, all come together in a united front when the globalism and corruption is in danger of being overthrown. The differences between the above stated political lines are mostly shallow, they all have the same soulless, materialistic roots and animosity towards nobility in man.

    Go back to where you came from, sham conservatives. Glenn Beck in his support of military adventurism (to bail out Israel), croney capitalism, and globalization has more in common with a Trotskyist than any real conservative like Otto Von Bismarck.

  • Anonymous

    he was a crap ton smarter than I’ll ever be

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, you would never even attempt to put that out there if you were not for it. And you have the nerve to call anyone else “thick?” Moron.

  • greywolfrs

    Except the part you missed, I have an education and know the difference. I also know that both lead to Totalitarianism, which is a dictatorship and is neither left or right. Go read some books that actually have meaning. Dumb M F er.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Wow I feel for you there are some really weird nuts that go there.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Since when did I post on the origins of totalitarianism? My post was simply a quote to correct someone who misrepresented. Typical conservative attack. No actual basis in the original argument. You just wanted to get points across no matter what forum. Nice try slick.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Your right. The need to enact labor laws was a direct result of unchecked capitalism. I totally forgot.

  • Matt Driscoll

    It’s very ignorant to put words and ideas in the mouths of people who have passed. Shame on you.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Haha I’m giving this three thumbs up! You sir have quite a lot of time on your hands.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Only when Glenn Beck pawns visit.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Does it matter what my beliefs are? No sir. Only thing that matters is that a intelligent man is not misrepresented by a group of fringe nuts like yourselves.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Haha oh man your are a special one aren’t you. It is a book that defines the origins and history of fascism. I read it so I do not make the mistake of claiming false ideas and opinions. You should really try it.

  • Matt Driscoll

    I wish some eugenicist would come on here and thin out this gene pool.

  • Matt Driscoll

    Their fear of anything that they do not know. The hatred of anyone whit a different skin tone or ethnicity. I see lots of parallels.

  • Matt Driscoll

    And conservatives fully support implementing their own agenda in education. Why should creationism ever be taught in schools? If we do that we may as well begin teaching Greek creation mythology or Norse creation mythology as a realistic explanation of how the world began. I’m sorry but women did not come from the rib of a man. That’s just stupidity.

  • Lioness

    I simply stated that he would have been discouraged by the stupidity of people today. It was meant to be sarcastic, I was really pointing out the insanity of communism, everyone else got it. I was just replying to a comment. I didn’t even say anything about him other than a joke. The theory of stupidity. It’s a friggin joke man! What’s your hang up? I don’t think like a socialist, so why would I want to be like that? That’s not wise or intellectual. Being mathematically inclined does not make one wise. Did you know Einstein personally? It’s very odd not to understand a simple comment such as mine. Unfortunately disqus won’t let me access anyone’s previous posts so I don’t know if I’m talking to a liberal or a conservative, I usually like to check. Either way, LIGHTEN UP ALREADY!!!

  • NB Forrest

    “He also warned that with the bias and lies in the media and the feeling
    of many in America that no one in government represents their interests,
    similar radical groups could gain a foothold here in America.”

    So mote it be. The OneParty sham-”democracy” that perpetually has its heel on our necks here in the U.S. must be overthrown by hook or by crook. Glenda Beck and the rest of these shabbos goy trucklers for “American” jewry gotta GO, baby….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K4QKLHZJHRAQHDDW3QTA64EIVU David

    That’s strange- back when Americans were a bunch of “ignorant racists” we had the best public schools in the world. Leave Glenn alone- he knows who writes his checks….

  • Anonymous

    The Golden Dawn are no more “Nazi” than the Zionist supporter Beck himself is. They believe Greece should be for Greeks. I agree, and so should anyone with any sense. There’s no “right” to immigration. There’s no “right” to force a culture on area natives who have built their own successful civilization. Third world immigration creates more crime, more violence, and, frankly, more racism than anything ever has. Allowing third worlders into first world civilizations only creates more third world civilizations, as third worlders do not have the mental or emotional maturity to handle the rule of law or following laws. They refuse to become part of the indigenous culture, instead they have to relocate their own and refuse to be healthy parts of society. Golden Dawn has it right.

  • Anonymous

    lol my post is deleted? Reality that offensive?

  • whiteguy22

    Awe poor little glenn talking about things he doesn’t understand again.. how much are the jew owners paying you to support the extinction of the white race , traitor

  • greywolfrs

    You are the proof that there needs to be more chlorine in the gene pool.

  • greywolfrs

    Instead he should be represented by a complete moron, like you, who doesn’t even know proper grammar? “a intelligent man?” It’s “an intelligent man.” You are one stupid M F er.

  • greywolfrs

    There is plenty of basis. Einstein was great at math, but the guy had no clue how to dress himself. Yet, you act as if this guy, who is arguable the best mathematician of all time, bought the exact same suit, 7 times over. Obviously, had someone explained that human nature will NEVER allow for pure socialism/communism, he would have been dumb-founded. Typical left wing moron, quoting a mathematician on social issues. Dunce.

  • Anonymous

    Archimedes, Newton, and Gauss, for example, were mathematicians, DUMBASS. Einstein was a theoretical physicist, and there’s a very big difference between the two. I’d say you didn’t get very much out of that education you claim you had, but, then again, you are a reich-winger, and such ignorance is about all that can be expected of you on any subject whatsoever.
    Have a nice election. :)

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, how exactly do theoretical physicist’s prove their theories? With MATH, you dumb fuck. Stupid left wing moron that thinks they know something, imagine that. Nice try Slappy, but you are not fooling anyone, dunce.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Thank you for that reply. You’ve proved the quality of your character quite clearly with that post. Now there is definitely no room for confusion. You’re an amoral jackass.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Your version? The bubble theory perhaps? The primordial mud theory? Alien seeding? I’m sure you believe the theory of evolution from apes into man, do you not?

    Greek mythology and Norse mythology are taught in schools. At least the schools I went to. Your education was lacking I assume?

    And you’re attaching Creationism to conservative political positions is a fallacy from the position you’re advocating. More than that, it’s a complete redirection. Are you getting desperate? Don’t you have anything worthwhile to say?

  • Anonymous

    Theoretical physicists develop their theories with mathematics… They PROVE their validity (or not) with empirical evidence. Jesus, you are a stupid fuck, aren’t you?
    Best you stick with FuxNews, junior, am I right? Your head might explode if you tried to fit a little real knowledge into it.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    You’re projecting straw men and falsehoods. None of those qualities are “right wing”. Don’t you have anything of substance Matthew?

  • greywolfrs

    Empirical evidence is not enough, just using observation still does not explain theory. In the end, the math is what proves it. Maybe you should learn something, before trying to pretend you know something.
    Besides the fact that one HAS to be a mathematician before even thinking about being a theoretical physicist. Never mind that though, that doesn’t fit into your stupidity. Dumb M F er.

  • greywolfrs

    Theoretical physics is a branch of physics which employs mathematical models and abstractions of physics to rationalize, explain and predict natural phenomena. This is in contrast to experimental physics, which uses experimental tools to probe these phenomena.

    The advancement of science depends in general on the interplay between experimental studies and theory. In some cases, theoretical physics adheres to standards of mathematical rigor while giving little weight to experiments and observations. For example, while developing special relativity, Albert Einstein was concerned with the Lorentz transformation which left Maxwell’s equations invariant, but was apparently uninterested in the Michelson-Morley experiment on Earth’s drift through a luminiferous ether. On the other hand, Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize for explaining the photoelectric effect, previously an experimental result lacking a theoretical formulation.

    Could you be any more stupid? I think not. Bye, stupid left wing troll.

  • Anonymous

    Just a curious tid bit I thought you might enjoy… Regardless, I think the quote has proven true, in the past, present and future?

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    I see they didn’t cover the differences between the two disciplines in the Wikipedia article you just scanned… Not only that, but I’ll bet you aren’t even aware that Einstein wasn’t particularly good at mathematics, and had to have quite a bit of assistance with the higher echelons of that from various mathematicians throughout his career, in order to be sure that he developed his ideas properly. You know, you really should try to at least read A BOOK on the subject, if you’re really interested, and if you can bear to yank that rampant-capitalist cock out of your mouth long enough to really get engaged with it. As it stands now, you are far from being impressive in even the slightest degree.

  • Anonymous

    Huh?

    My question/comment was merely anecdotal, a curious tid bit that I thought ‘mi amigo’ SAM, would like to store in his “memory banks.”

    I commend you for your knowledge, and/or initiative, but my first thought was to consider you a “stupid ass,” as it is YOU who is “putting word(sic) in my mouth.”

    Many of the scientists of the Manhattan Project had misgivings about what they helped create, they call it PTSD today–sheesh!

    “Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds” (Spoken by Robert Oppenheimer after the first test)

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    FURTHERMORE,

    You did NOT correctly answer the question–Einstein was defending a friend and colleague of his named Bertrand Russell who desired a teaching position. It seems Mr. Russell’s qualifications were in question because of his socialist relationships…

    Seems old “Tail Gunner” Joe McCarthy was right, America was chocked full of pinkos! Ouch!

  • Chester

    I’m confused, in the past it would army and bloodshed for 1 million foreigners to enter a nation through an unsecured border. Furthermore they rape, murder, rob and cause a general increase in crime! I believe in the past they would call it a takeover, war, genocide….in any case it would not be something viewed as positive as it is today (diversity). Just imagine if the Greeks allowed 2 million Persians to walk right into Greece during the ancient wars…Imagine the Greeks actually gave them rights, money, food, hospitalization! Rather than fending them off to save themselves from the oncoming onslaught. That is the lunacy of today’s politics.

    Have we in the west lost our minds? Why do we allow border jumpers into our nations at the expense of legal citizens? Why are we not deporting every single one them back to where they came from?

  • Chester

    Seems like someone has a fetish to purge and destroy every modern day nation that was once a bastion of ancient society.

    Iraq & Syria (Ancient Mesopotamia)
    Greece
    Egypt
    Iran (Ancient Persia)

    Is Italy (Ancient Rome) the next target?

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Aaah, the leader of the Nazi Internet propaganda parade. And look, you brought your friends too. Isn’t it just like you folks to enter the fray in the middle of the night to attack the opposition… as if. I wonder if you truly know how laughable it is to compare a free market advocate like Beck to Trotsky?

    Israel was under the thumb of Muslims for about 1200 cumulative years. Jews have lived there for over 3,000 years. The so-called Palestinians are no more native than most of the Jews that have immigrated there since Israel’s rebirth. The vast majority of them are descended from Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians, Lebonese, Jordanians, Iraqi, and Iranians along with various North Africans. They are jihadi immigrants or the descendents of jihadi immigrants that have been attempting to flood to Israel since it achieved international recognition as a sovereign state in the early 20th century.

    Prior to the Muslim immigration, Israel was a sparsely populated country under Ottoman rule. It was approximately 60% Jewish when it achieved nationhood. Immidiately Jews from all over the world immigrated to Israel after it achieved statehood. Muslims, in keeping with the tenets of their religion reacted by agreeing to a universal jihad on Israel. The immigration to Israel is the attempt to create a population dynamic crisis to deligitimize Israel as a sovereign Jewish state.

    Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries that have law systems that oppress and discriminate against both non-Muslim religions and race, and discrimination against Jews has its own category. 1300 years of history teaches that Islam will not relent to the existence of a Jewish Israel. They have every right to declare a sovereign Jewish state and protect it against jihad. It is essential to their very existence.

    I started learning about the history of Islam in my enthusiastic study of the Crusades. I have since learned it intensively from its beginning to present. I’ve read most of the Qur’an and the Hadith. I’ve made notes on the fundamentals of the religion. I know the history of Israel from Biblical times to present. I know the history of the beginning of the Zionist movement in the late 19th century to the successful international recognition of sovereignty in the 20th century. I know the history of Israel’s struggle against jihad ever since.

    Do you want to go toe-to-toe with me on the facts concerning Israel? I welcome it. Or maybe you’d prefer to slink off back into the night?

    This is not your playground. Times have changed but there is no figurative or literal veil thick enough to hide the evils of Nazism from American Christians ever again. You will not prevail here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jose-Fernandez/1497139033 Jose Fernandez

    Whether mathematician or theoretical physicist, the guy didn’t know much about suits. Or haircuts. I wouldn’t ask him to opine on fashion or good grooming techniques. And I wouldn’t care about his opinion on social issues either.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    You socialist do it all the time if I had a nickel every time one of you socialist said that Jesus is a socialist I would be a millionaire so I don’t want to hear your fake outrage.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Oh come on where is that open mindness that you leftwingers claim to have filling your hearts. Oh yah that is right you guys are hypocrites.

  • Anonymous

    DRISCOLL,

    You are the quintessential example of why I have been advocating the need to show ID before posting comments. (similar to voting Identification) Furthermore, I would like to have a “voting test” that requires the voter have a nominal concept of the voting process and the issues and candidates involved…

    With that being said, you wouldn’t be able to “comment” or “vote” as you clearly are not human, and certainly don’t understand the issues?

    OUCH!

  • Anonymous

    A “quote” is frequently used in a debate/argumentation as an analogy, thus representative of one’s position or counter-position.

    Ergo, don’t feign innocence as to the neutrality of the “quote” YOU use to make a point. If you can’t stand fast on your position than don’t enter the fray…

    You are NOT very skilled at debate/argumentation as I have noticed, frequently your response/retort lacks relevance to the original topic.

    On the positive side, your use of ‘ad hominem’ is peerless!

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    MARS, (Roman God of War?) Hmm…

    “It works great”
    I suspect SAM was using a debate technique called “pre-giving” or was simply being sarcastic. Either way, Karl Marx was a brilliant philosopher, so too was Plato, but I wouldn’t want to live in Plato’s “Republic.” Nevertheless, I acquired knowledge and wisdom from both men’s treatises.

    Marx and Engels saw the plight of the “proletariat” and sought to help alleviate that problem. It was their progeny, Vladimir, Josef and Mao that got a bit excessive with the philosophy of Marxism, even going so far as to change the name? (you know, communism?)

    Purvvy

  • new2la

    Look how many we have here…..astounding!

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Marx (as well as Engels) was a racist and believed in culling unwanted races/ethnicities from the population. He was an antitheist that advocated the abolition of religion. He believed in forced communal families. He was without what most people of the day considered a recognizable moral code (although in the moral relativism of today, he wouldn’t stand out so much). He saw communism as a very pragmatic way to bring peace because once populations were forcibly equitable in wealth distribution they’d have nothing valid to complain about. In such a state, no one would have a legitimate gripe or reason to envy their fellow human beings, justifying the rule of the state and the forced organization of populations… etc… etc… etc…

    What exactly did Marx bring to the world unique to Marx’s views other than his contributions to further the cause of socialism by promoting it through a new lens (perspective)? You are aware that he didn’t invent the concept of socialism, right? Scientific socialism, utopian socialism, perfect socialism, communism… Call it whatever you want, it amounts to absolutist collectivism.

    And what’s this about Marx not using the term “communism”? Where did you learn about Marx’s “philosophy”? Marx used the term “communism” himself. He was one of the first prominent political figures in history to advocate “communism” which is precisely why he is considered a founder of the concept. Marx didn’t coin the word/label “Marxism”. Others applied it to the specific methods/systems he championed (his so-called “philosophy”). Lenin and others didn’t use the label “communism” to apply it to Marxism (which would have been pointless since they are essentially one and the same). Lenin and other communist leaders were cautious about using the term communism at all since it was considered such a radical concept. Even the people attempting to institute it understood that they were better off promoting it as a different take on communism rather than the absolutist system so clearly outlined by Marx himself.

    Seriously, I’d love to know where you received your “education” about Marx. That wasn’t a hypothetical question in the opening of that last paragraph.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Athenodoron Robert Wilkins

    And the Greeks valiantly defending Western European Christianity from the Muslims from the time of Emperor Heraclius until the day that the Turks overthrew Constantinople. What is your point? That the Israelis are valiant defenders of Christianity?

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Wow. I feel honored. You created a new account just to come onto this website and respond to me? Gee whiz, thanks!

    …Did I say anything about the Israelis being valiant defenders of Christianity? What is it with people like you, that you can’t understand the concept of sovereignty – the right to exist? Israel is a JEWISH state. As such, they have the right to exist as a Jewish state. If they choose to be allies to Christians, so be it. If not, so be it. It’s irrelevant to the point – they are a sovereign nation.

    The first comment (weeds) above presents a scenario in which Israelis are persecuting poor harmless Muslims that just want to live in peace. I refuted the falsehood. Then you come back with (paraphrasing) – ‘So what, Orthodox Jews spit on Christians’, and ‘Are Christians morally obligated to take care of them?’ You do realize that you’re essentially acknowledging my refutation, don’t you? You’re essentially saying, “Yeah, but…”

    But as for your ‘point’ stating that there are Orthodox Jews in Israel that have mistreated Christians by spitting on them. I acknowledge as much. But they are the extreme minority among Israelis… There are Christians that spit on Jews. There are Christians that spit on Christians. There are atheists that spit on atheists, Jews, and Christians. Muslims that spit on every non-Muslim… Precisely what bearing does the expectorating habits of a minority have on our national policy? Does that change our national alliances? What influence should that have on our pledge as a nation to uphold the sovereignty of our allies? Please, by all means, explain.

    Feel a bit foolish?

    Israel is a political ally of the United States. We have legal and cultural bonds with Israel and a moral obligation to stand with Israel in defense of their sovereignty, as well as other nations with which we have similar bonds (Philippines, U.K., Poland, S. Korea… etc.). Anyone with rudimentary knowledge of 20th century American history would understand as much.

    So what is your real problem with Israel? Is it with Jews? What do you think about Jews? Please feel free to go in depth. I’d love to know (and I’m sure that others reading would like to know as well).

  • http://www.facebook.com/elivingston2 Erik Livingston

    Jews were a mere 3% of the population of Palestine in the early 1930′s. You’re a lying Zionist moron and should change your flag to an Israeli one.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    You’re lying and you’re ridiculous. In fact, a quick Google search reveals your source. Wikipedia… And worse yet, it’s in reference to the POPULATION GROWTH RATE which is not the same as the percentage of the population total.

    Good job you anti-Israeli fail-troll. You wasted 2 minutes of my time.

  • Lioness

    Jesus helped those in need, he did not enable those who were not, through free government handouts for all. Jesus understood human nature, he was never a socialist. He understood greed and denounced it, but also accepted it as part of the human condition. What socialists don’t understand is human nature and how you have to take the bad with the good. It all works together, Jesus understood this, he understood our imperfection. That’s what his sacrifice was all about.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Amen sister.

  • Anonymous

    Ditto Sam.

  • http://twitter.com/mindweapon mindweaponsinragnaro

    that’s right. We don’t care to share power with scum. You want to know our policy? Our policy is to break the bones of the Republicans and Democrats.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    I notice how these socialist try to make him into a socialist. The take his words out of context and act like it proof. I had a debate with an atheist socialist on this very subject. I know I should not be mixing up with these people because I was an atheist myself but still I get sick of them doing that. Most of the passages the he talks about money and rich people is not about class war fare but ties into the fact God may love you but he wants you to try 100% in your heart to change and be prepared to lose it all. when we can’t and fail we have the cross to fall back on. I love our God he knew we could not follow his rules on our own power and needed help. It is one thing atheist or socialist don’t understand most followers of Christ are not hypocrites we just want to better ourselves and to stand with a God who loves us and we fail like anyone else. What your take on it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Athenodoron Robert Wilkins

    Thank you o most learned of Zionist lackeys for answering my question with a long-winded reply that totally fails to capture the essential content of my original message. You ramble on irrelevantly about US geopolitics whereas I am referring to Jesus Christ, the Christian Church, etc. What do Israelis have to do with Jesus Christ? Zilch. What do Israelis have to do with Greeks defending Christendom from the Muslims? Zilch. It’s only in the overactive imaginations of Zionist chicken-hawks that the survival of Christendom is predicated upon the modern incarnation of a nation that was judged and overthrown by God via the Roman legions.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    No, I gave the proper reply. Long-winded? Do you struggle with reading? Are complete thoughts foreign to you?

    Look, if all Golden Dawn was was just a passionate Greek Christian Orthodox movement to secure the borders and kick out illegal aliens, that would be something I’d actually support. Do you understand that? I would wholeheartedly support it. But it’s not. The ties to Nazism are overt, from symbolism, to stated affinity, to methodology and stated political positions.

    You do realize that you can’t hide the Golden Dawn’s activities right? You do know that it’s very easy to look up who they are, what they believe, and what they’ve been up to… What you’ve been up to perhaps?

    The ridiculousness of this is overwhelming. Are you just trying to waste my time or are you just hoping to catch me offline and have something hang around long enough to fool someone who doesn’t know better? I mean, here we are after multiple anti-Zionist statements and everything being done by this little group you’re part of commenting here being compatible and fitting what one would expect from Nazis, and you’re actually going to deny the connection to Nazis? Seriously?

    I mean, if you really didn’t have any ties to Nazism, wouldn’t that be the first thing on your mind to discuss in commenting here? Wouldn’t that be a top priority for Golden Dawn members, to disavow and point out the distinct differences between them and Nazis?

    Also, Nazis do not have the endorsement of Jesus Christ, and whatever you do claiming His name in the process that is incompatible with His teachings, you do so only to condemn yourselves. And it is a condemnation you will not escape. You do realize that the original Nazi movement was anti-Christian (anti-religious altogether) at its core, don’t you?

    What do Israelis have to do with Christians you ask? Have you read the Bible? Have you read the book of Revelations? Even if you haven’t, if you really were a Christian you’d understand that “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” and “Love thy neighbor as thyself” applies as much to Israeli Jews as it does to anyone. And you’re ignoring the political obligations.

    I wonder whether you’re ignorant or a propagandist. What drives you? Again, I ask, what do you think of Jews?

    You have the floor – go into detail, please.

  • gandera

    Am I a Nazi if I preach diversity for Israel? What If I said that Israel has too many Jews and needs more diversity, they need more Asians & Muslims because it’s too Jewish

    Is that Nazi? If it is, then are the diversity preachers Nazis too?

  • Lioness

    That’s right. The worship of earthly things is what he was warning us of, not of our need to earn those things. He would of be wholly disgusted by the idea that some should work their tail off just to give it all away to those who are lazy and will not earn their keep. He would have wanted us to be charitable from our own heart, not from forced redistribution. Jesus is a beautiful spirit who’s story has rightfully lasted to this day because of his message of love.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LPSARPXSLZWTLRRKW3QPUGESQ Count Yob

    You mean we might have an alternative to the Democrats & Republicans who actually demonstrate they care about the people? Nazis! Nazis! Naaazzzziiiissss!!!

  • Anonymous

    Son,

    Not only do you lack a sense of humor, you don’t read very well either, hence I will indulge your infirmities.

    “Eclectic philosophy,” is the search for the good while discarding the bad, so to speak. When I mentioned Marx as being a “brilliant philosopher” I followed that up with a reference to Plato who is most certainly considered one of the great philosophers. Plato proposed in his “Republic” the creation of Philosopher Guardian/Kings who would be the “politburo” of their day? (that is sarcastic humor) Do I really need to explain this further?

    As for the word “communism,” certainly we can agree that Karl and Felix were the philosophers, while old Vladimir and company started the revolution by killing everybody in sight?

    Generally speaking, I concur with your analysis, but you are boring!

    Purveyor of Rhetoric

  • MarsBarsTru7

    This last comment doesn’t make sense. It has nothing to do with a sense of humor. There is no indication that I should have read it any way but as typed.

    In a forum of the free exchange of ideas, wherein many conflicting ideas are presented, one can not be expected to read the likes of “murder is good” or “Marxism rules” and know the intent of the person submitting it to be satire or sarcasm. These comments are too short and not clear enough and the familiarity is at a score of zero.

    Do I lack a sense of humor? Perhaps. Probably most of the time. But thankfully my infirmities don’t extend to half-assed excuses for social blunders such as failed sarcasm, or leveling insults and condescension (I’m not your son) where they clearly aren’t warranted. What exactly did I say that insulted you in my previous paragraph? Nothing, and yet you respond to me thus?

    Do you assume everyone reading can read your mind as well (your intent) and is in alignment with your thinking? Identifying yourself “eclectic” does not excuse incoherence. I suggest putting more thought into your comments before submitting them. Or, at the very least, when it is clear that you are misunderstood you take the time to reexamine your delivery.

  • Anonymous

    NO COMMENT

  • http://www.ridingthetiger.org/ RayJWilson

    I’ll give you one mr “mars bars tru”- even if you believe Israel has a “right to exist” what business is it of the United States to involve itself in the affairs of the ME? You realize that before 1948 we had excellent relations with the Arab nations, untainted by a legacy of colonialism like the european powers that we tossed away simply to support the zionist state? If you are jewish and support Israel, this is one thing, but the fact that America ties its fate to that of a tiny state in the levant makes no sense to someone who cares about the United States.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Wrong. The United States fought in a little known world event called World War II in the 1940s. When we did so, we did so as a free country. Free in the sense that we had freedom of religion, and largely freedom of political affiliation, as we had Nazis right here in America supportive of Germany. We had Jews here. Some fought in the war in United States military uniforms. Some died. During the course of the war, it was discovered that Germany had been exterminating unwanted ethnic/political/religious groups in concentration camps that had previously been thought to have been simply “work camps”.
    By the end of the war, and during the aftermath, the truth of the Holocaust came to light. The decent Christian people of this country largely felt horror and great sympathy for the Jewish people that had suffered… As it was also well known that the Pogroms of Russia and the Soviet Union had targeted them, and they were one of the groups that suffered in the Gulag camps. The Zionist movement coupled with the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the involvement of the British government which controled much of the Middle East following World War II created an opportunity. Jews were given the opportunity to reform the state of Israel as a sovereign nation.
    At that time we, as a nation, pledged to respect and protect their sovereignty.
    You ask, what is our business being allies with them? If you know the history and you still ask that question then I must ask you in return, why shouldn’t we be? Why should we betray our allies? What is it about Israel that you don’t like in comparison with our other allies that we have similar relationships with?
    As for our “excellent” relationship with “Arab” countries, first off, not all Muslim countries are Arab. In fact, I dare you to call an Iranian an Arab. True Syrians don’t like to be called Arab. A Turk might kill you to be called an Arab. Egyptians are not Arab.
    Secondly, we have never had excellent relationships with Muslim Nations. Why? Because we’re a largely Christian nation. Christian Nations haven’t had “excellent” relationships with Muslim nations since the birth of Islam. And, they have particularly hated Americans almost from the beginning of our history because of our role in breaking the back of the Muslim Pirate Empire that ruled the Mediteranean and African-Arab seas. All the nations of the world paid tribute to Muslim leaders in North Africa, East Africa, and the Middle East as a bribe to keep Muslim pirate ships from attacking their trade ships. The United States refused and we fought Muslim extortion. We fought the Barbary Wars and took military action multiple times to assert our right to trade on the sea without paying a bribe to do so. At times we’ve had *good* relationships with various Muslim leaders/sheikhs, princes, and kings, but never a universal/mutual good will with a Muslim nation.
    Israel is a political and cultural ally. And, as honorable allies do, we stand by them, just as we do all of our close allies.

  • http://www.ridingthetiger.org/ RayJWilson

    I am fully aware of the ethnic divides in the ME regarding iranians, arabs, kurds, etc etc. WE had excellent relations with Iran, with IRaq, with Syria, with Egypt, along with the Gulf States for our entire history outside of the 1803~04 attack on Tripoli. the United States is NOT a christian nation, it is a secular nation despite its large “christian” population certainly has been guided far more by the likes of AIPAC abroad and cultural marxists at home than by any christian principles. So we went to war with Germany so what ? What do we owe world jewry that we should do anymore than already has been done. And what should be done frankly has nothing to do with America, were it not for the pull of a tiny minority of jewish lobbyists here, coupled with warped evangelical zionists.

    Most of our alliances are purely pragmatic. This is not a bad thing, what is bad is our refusal to admit as such and pretend our alliances are all morally proper,or on the “side of good” since i suppose most americans really think the world works like a comic book with definite “good guys” and “bad guys”. Your history lesson doesn’t mean anything as you very well know, one can’t base an alliance solely on a historic friendship if every other factor works against it and right now there is absolutely no reason for special relations with Israel.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    And that is why he would never be socialist. Leave it to progs not to see the big huge flashing sign that says otherwise. I got to watch some of the debate last night and Mitt made Obama look like a moron. He was the winner and I can see him going up in the polls because of it. He even called him out on his usual lies.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    I’m not going to debate history with you or the complexities of the various influences of different groups upon the United States government. I’m not a non-fiction novelist, but I’m sure I could type out enough here off the top of my head to inspire page blur. I don’t know your own knowledge base, but I do know that ignoring the heavy influence of Christianity on the history of this nation, especially on the government, is obtuse.

    While in the last 3/4ths of a century we’ve become increasingly secular (in our institutions) it doesn’t change the fact that people are influenced by the tenets of their religions and often vote accordingly. It is not difficult – in fact, it is virtually irrefutable – to make the case that the advance in collectivism in this country has largely been due to ignorant Christians voting for it thinking it the equivalent to charity. In case you were unaware, a primary tenet of Christianity is compassion and the entire “humanist” movement is based on 17th, 18th, and early 19th century prominent Christian philosophers. And taking into consideration weighty attempts by the Catholic church throughout its history to temper all governments (monarchies to bureaucracies) to have policies of compassion, it’s not hard to see how Christian societies have constantly found themselves in flux between advocating liberty or collectivism.

    Again, to say that we had “excellent” relationships with Muslim peoples at any point in American history is a falsehood. Again, we had good relationships with various individual Muslim leaders at various times. Again, there was never universal mutual good will. The Barbary Wars weren’t the only instances of military conflict we’ve had with Muslim nations in the first 160 year of U.S. history.

    And then you insult the intelligence of Americans in general with the assertion that the dynamic with which the American public views the world is like they view a comic book. Forgetting the fact that you discredit the complexity of many comic book characters, and setting aside the fact that the many Internet forums and protests and letters sent to politicians refute your assertion – Who says there aren’t definite “bad guys” at times?

    I’m get the impression that you’re irreligious yourself. Which, naturally, causes you to view morality as relativistic. Unfortunately, as is quite common with materialists, you assume that others must share your views – No, in fact I know the relevance of my history lesson. That you don’t only reflects on your amoral pragmatism.

    But, rather than me beat my head against the wall trying to convince you that your amoral pragmatic view on foreign relations is wrong, enlighten me and everyone else that may read all this as to why we should ignore historic and cultural alliances for pragmatic reasons.

    It’d be nice if you alert your neighbors and family to this explanation as well. They may also want to hear how the concepts of loyalty and moral obligation don’t seem to resonate with you.

  • Anonymous

    MARS,

    I forgot to ask: How about a nice game of chess? I’ll open, e4… Of course that means I’ll be playing white.

    I have never tried the game “Go,” over a distance, I wonder if such is possible? Anyway, both games involve tactics, looking ahead and insight into an opponent’s intent. Effectively, the player with a non-comformist, asymmetrical thought capacity has proven advantages over those who play “by the book,” so to speak. Meaning, dour, humorless conformists, people who can’t “think out of the box,” so to speak, usually make poor chess players as well as tacticians/strategists in various other contexts and forms of conflict resolution…

    MARS, You might not find humor in my above comment, however, I am quite confident that there are those who do. Ouch! Furthermore, I would not categorize this as “insulting the reader,” rather I am demonstrating your lack of credibility based on what I perceive is a personality quirk: You are boring! That and you couldn’t connect the dots on some relevant, yet simple analogies. The english language, the language of Shakespeare is ripe and vibrant like no other language on earth, yet you suggest that I limit myself so that you may comprehend my meaning(s)? Or, simply you prefer an uncluttered discourse?

    How PC of you? Instead of lowering my linguistic skills to you, perhaps you should rise to meet me?

    Purveyor of Rhetoric

  • MarsBarsTru7

    What ever happened to “NO COMMENT!”?

    Observations:

    1. “Ouch!”? Puerile, and out of place for where you put it. Your stated “confidence” that others find you funny is neither a punchline nor a ‘zinger’.

    2. Irony: You projecting a “conformist”/’inside-the-box’ label to me while challenging me to chess in the same comment.

    … Besides the fact that you don’t know me well enough to apply it… I’ve played chess with some very good chess players, players who played chess in college and in tournaments (side note: I’ve never played text-chess). The pattern is typically thus – I lose the first three matches or so against the same player. I then win one and alternate between winning and losing for a few matches. Then, eventually, it reaches a point where I win consistently. What do they tell me about my chess playing style? Out-of-the-box. Unorthodox… Irony – it doesn’t just flatten your clothes.

    3. Conflict resolution is not my intent while conflict resolution seems to be beyond you.

    4. Out-of-the-box thinking and inconsistent aren’t synonymous. Creative and incoherent aren’t synonymous. You’re mistaking your own erratic, flippant “eclectic” nature for being inherently virtuous. It isn’t.

    5. Your attempt at sarcasm failed. The failure results from a combination of your method, your execution, and the forum in which it was presented. Acknowledge and admit it (at least to yourself) and move on.

    6. No insults? “…you lack a sense of humor, you don’t read very well… I will indulge your infirmities”, “…you are boring!”. So, add to the list of incoherent, condescending, and insulting the quality of being dishonest as well. Oh, but perhaps you meant them to be complimentary? In that case then let me return the favor. Your “humor” sucks. You’re illiterate. You seem handicapped. You’re insipid to the point of causing physical pain.

    7. What are you demonstrating? If you mean “demonstrating” as in projecting negative opinions based on your failure to engage me in rational communication, then you’re absolutely correct.

    8. Do I want you to limit your language? By all means, point out the grievous mistake I made in saying so. It must be so because you invoked Shakespeare. From what words of mine did you determine this?

    Or, perhaps I suggested you try harder to communicate coherent thoughts. Successful sarcasm/satire requires that it is perceivable. You obviously didn’t get the point I made in my last comment to you.

    Try to wrap your head around this concept – Intending something isn’t the same as communicating it.
    Here’s another concept – When you’re wrong, try to improve. This is as opposed to… oh, say, defending your overtly untenable position by pretending that you were too sophisticated to be understood or that your audience was simply too dull to understand.

  • Anonymous

    “Sweet so would I,
    Yet I should kill thee with much cherishing.
    Good night, good night,
    PARTING IS SUCH SWEET SORROW
    That I shall say goodnight
    till it be morrow”

    “Boring, boring Sydney”

  • VindicatorX

    Do you suppose the soviets came up with the term politburo from the donkey used by the democrats? A political burro?

    Or could it be some tasteless menu offering at Taco Hell – “try the new politburrito – it’s got gas, and it is twice as expensive!”

  • Anonymous

    LOL! Thats funny, is that original?

    With your permission of course, I’ll use that?

  • Anonymous

    I’m your huckleberry?

  • Anonymous

    LIONESS,

    It’s a good thing you didn’t choose an avatar from the canine world? Ouch!

    That is a joke and has nothing substantive contained within! LOL In fact I saw I saw your comments to”A BONE TO PICK” the other day and decided to say howdy.

    I am a proponent of the Philosophy of Neutral Principle. Hence, I frequently find myself explaining such to people of varying degrees of religiosity. The most religious tend to see God as a pro-active entity, that prayer can result in divine intervention.

    NeutraI Principle asserts that God gave man opposable thumbs, speech and the ability to learn and acquire intellect, thus solve his own problems. ERGO, the separation of Church and State–law and public policy should be derived through reason, with acknowledgment to our God given existence, however, law should NEVER be based on moral caprice…

    The Founders came of age in the time of the “Divine Right of Kings.” Also, the Founders lived during the time of the great “philosophes” and the age of enlightenment. The founding treatises reflect our historic Christian influence, nevertheless, the documents are comprised of “neutral principles” and so too should all subsequent American law and public policy.

    Nice to make your acquaintance,
    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    In the book “Animal Farm,” it was Benjamin the old and wise donkey who finally led a counter-revolution against Napoleon the Pig. (who was actually Stalin) Maybe we should give credit where due to old Benjamin the donkey,

    BUT the Democrats should change their moniker to a PIG? LOL

    Purvvy

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Not quite.

  • VindicatorX

    Yeah, I have my moments… enjoy and use with my compliments!

  • VindicatorX

    Pig/Stalin is more in line with their true character.
    Pig it is!

  • Lioness

    I relate with the big cat, powerful yet so darn cute. Philosophy and law? Fascinating! I really can’t disagree with anything you’ve stated, because that’s totally logical. Although I’m not specifically Christian in my beliefs, when referring to our ability to navigate through this world with our own divine logic, that is what I truly believe. If one looks to God for help, I assume the reply would be, the answers are already there for you to discover. That’s why I’m always frustrated with those who are obsessed with prophecy as if we have no choice in our destiny, specifically the Armageddon types. I consider that a self fulfilling prophecy. I believe in reincarnation and the eternal spirit, I’m not so sure about a specific creator, but I’m always open to different ideas. Your writing is very interesting. Do you mind if I follow (I don‘t want to seem creepy and do that with out permission)? I can’t really comment on GB because of the Disqus issues, so I find it easier to reply through the dashboard. Thanks for your time!

  • Anonymous

    LIONESS,

    By all means “follow” me. When your avatar shows up on my dashboard, I’ll return the favor.

    Purveyor

  • http://twitter.com/NSRevolution_ NSRevolution

    Glenn Beck is just another Jew boot licking coward.

  • http://twitter.com/coryfu cory vincent
  • MarsBarsTru7

     Ridiculous. Within the first few minutes the position of the video is discredited by its claim that from the inception of Islam that Muslims and Jews had lived together in “unprecedented” peace. If by peace you mean the murder, rape, theft, and otherwise general oppression of Jews by Muslim conquerors, if by peace you mean that in the Qur’an (and the Hadith) itself there are passages describing justification for and mandating that all Muslims do these things to Jews, then yeah, there was peace.

    Plato’s Cave – You’re living there willfully. Leave the cave. Achieve enlightenment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Miller/100000294199076 John Miller

    With
    all the hype about diversity being touted we should be ARMPIT deep in UTOPIA by
    now, but empty promises from elitists about multiculturalism have left our
    schools, cities, and society in ruins.

    The tsunami of violent crime in our cities, schools, and
    society gives great credibility to those who first opposed integration. 

     

     

     

  • ralphie44

    lets hope so.

  • Anonymous

    I am searching for a local chapter, the closest I can find is Chicago. This is the oarty I want to be a part of, nobody else wants to deal with illegals.

  • Anonymous

    Amen! It is about time we had a party in this country who is aware and willing to speak the reurh!

  • http://crusader888.blogspot.com/ Crusader00

    Good. American needs its own Golden Dawn. As it is, our best hope is the American Freedom Party.

  • Anonymous

    In US?  I wish they did.  It may be our last and only hope to save our nation.

  • Anonymous

    Confuciius say, internet tough guy equal real life yellabelly.