WATCH: Colorado baker stands by his decision not to make cakes for same-sex couples

It was nearly two years ago that TheBlaze first covered the story of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado after its owner, Jack Phillips, refused to make a cake for a same-sex couple citing religious beliefs. In December 2013, Judge Robert N. Spencer ruled Phillips must “cease and desist from discriminating” against same-sex couples – despite his religious beliefs – or pay fines.

As though that ruling was not sufficient enough, last week, Colorado State’s seven-member Civil Rights Commission reinforced the December ruling – deeming Phillip’s refusal to serve an act of discrimination and ordering the owner to halt the practice.

As the Denver Post reported, the panel’s decision requires Phillips to submit quarterly reports – over the course of the next two years – demonstrating how he has worked to change discriminatory practices at his bakery. This change is to be implemented by altering company policies and training employees. Furthermore, Phillips must also disclose the names of any clients he turns away.

It should be noted that gay marriage remains illegal in the state of Colorado.

On Wednesday, Glenn reacted to the panel’s decision quite furiously – condemning the blatant disregard of the First Amendment in addition the eerie implications of forcing workers to undergo reeducation camp-style training to better understand Colorado discrimination laws.

In an interview with TheBlaze.com on Wednesday, Phillips remained steadfast in his decision to not make cakes for same-sex couples regardless of the penalties he might face.

“I’m not going to make cakes for same-sex weddings,” Phillips said. “That violates my First Amendment speech… and my duty as a Christian abiding by my savior.”

Phillips and his attorney joined Glenn on Thursday’s Glenn Beck Program to further discuss the situation and his refusal to back down.

Get Glenn Live! On TheBlaze TV
  • ScaryLogic

    This is in no way the same as being asked to go to war as a Quaker. Some gay people getting married does not effect him.

  • Tony DuBois

    good for him! they shove their beliefs down our throat, but its not ok when the situation is reversed? this is still America last I checked and the govt cant force anyone to provide services of a privately owned business. You have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. go to another baker, whats the big deal?

  • Anonymous

    If a strait man tries to buy a wedding cake form a gay baker, and the baker refuses, should the gay baker be forced (by law) to bake the cake? No, he shouldn’t. Because no matter what you are, you are an INDIVIDUAL. The individual has a right to run his business the way he likes and accept the customers he desires, regardless of that person’s beliefs.

    What scares me is that liberals and the likes don’t realize that homosexuality is being USED by our government to oppress and subjugate the people. Our politicians didn’t give a crap about homosexuality up until they realized they could gain control over some of the populace with it.

    To government, homosexuality is nothing more than the hammer to pound in the nail of despotism.

  • Dan Heizinger

    Getting refused a cake does not affect the two deviants

  • Paper Boy

    The gay community wants unconditional acceptance by every factor of society. However as long as they are gay, it will never happen. Their complaint about the cake baker and other activist initiatives will actually exacerbate the struggle.

  • Stephanie Soucek

    Christians are the ones under attack these days. someone’s sexuality is nothing like the color of someone’s skin or someone’s ethnicity. I disagree with men having sex with men, it’s what the bible teaches. So forcing me to condone their marriage is not ok. If I owned a gas station or a restaurant and refused to serve them that would be totally different–that would be wrong. I worked in a hardware store for many years and served all sorts of people including gay men and women. I treated them with respect. However, doing a specific thing like baking a wedding cake for a gay couple is a different matter. That is actively asking me to do an act that goes against what I believe. It’s like if a doctor was forced to provide abortions–even if they are pro-life. They should never be forced to do something that goes against their conscience. Again, there is a difference between allowing someone in your business who is different than you–but it is the type of business and what you are being forced to do that is the difference.

  • Dan Heizinger

    You are beyond ridiculous. First, most Jews and African Americans would be offended at your comparison of their real historical suffering with your fraudulent accusations of discrimination.
    Second, it is a statist action to force anyone to do business with anyone. You should be able to refuse someone service just because they are ugly or because they have shoes you dislike. What the hell right do you have to force people to do business they don’t wish to? Who made you queen for the day?

  • ScaryLogic

    I suppose refusing to serve someone because they’re black doesn’t effect them either?

  • ScaryLogic

    Your analogy is flawed. If he was a preacher you’d have a point. He is simply supplying a cake. How is that going against what he believes? It doesn’t effect him

  • ScaryLogic

    So you’d be fine with a sign that said “no Christians” on the outside?

  • fauxcalpoint .

    Glenn, you can’t have it both ways! You can’t get mad at people for discriminating and then turn and discriminate yourself. Making cakes has nothing to do with violating what this man’s belief is. It is not breaking his religion to make a cake. It doesn’t matter if the person buying the cake is gay, block, blond, blue, Iraqi, or a woman. It is DISCRIMINATION. I love listening to Glenn Beck and I agree with him on a lot of things, but on this he is dead wrong and he should know better. Baking a cake for someone who is gay is not the same as going against what his religion is. I imagine he is Christian. Where does it say that in Christianity? Isn’t there a commandment to love others? And Glenn, even your religion believes that “We Claim the privilege of worshipping almighty god according to the dictates of our conscience and allow ALL men the SAME privilege. Let them worship how, where, or what they may.” That is from the Mormon’s Articles of Faith. Nowhere in the Mormon or Christian religions is it a sin to do a service, bake a cake, or help someone who does not believe the same as we do. Come on Glenn. You are better than this.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    1. I respect your opinion, but disagree with your conclusions.
    2. You should try and avoid using the Bible to support your bigotry against homosexuals. Far too often, Biblical quotes are cherry picked to support one’s views while those same individuals ignore other passages that contradict their beliefs.
    3. You assume that LGBT couples are not Christians, which is completely false.
    4. What if this bakery was run by a Muslim family and they refused to serve a Christian couple because their behaviors and dress went against their teachings? Would you mount the same argument?

  • Glenn Coughlin

    1. You just stated that discrimination against LGBT’s is fraudulent. Are you honestly stating that Americans who are LGBT have not been discriminated against?
    2. You went a little over the deep end towards the final part of your bigoted comment. I don’t have the right to force people to do business with others, but America does.

  • Syberlink

    I can’t wait for the KKK to make black business owner provide them services, like DJ their Clan Meetings, Mow their laws, Clean up after meetings. This is going to get really messy really fast.

  • Syberlink

    So a Black DJ must provide his service to a KKK rally? How about cleaning services, will a black owned service company have to clean up after the KKK or other hate group?

  • Syberlink

    You don’t get it. He is not discriminating against a race of people or a religion. He does agree with an act that he feels is wrong and so does the State he lives in. When you support forcing a black DJ to perform at a KKK rally and have a black owned business that must, by court order clean up their mess from these hate groups, then you might understand why this is wrong. Just go to another business. Unless they receive government loans or funds, the government should not force them to do business with anyone. And yes, if they don’t want to serve Jews or Colored people, then they can do that, but I don’t think they would be in business for more then a day or two because most Americans would not agree with racist discrimination and would go elsewhere.

  • Syberlink

    Yes, a private owned business can tell people without shirts and shoes no service. They can tell people to not bring in their Constitutional protected gun into their business, and if they want to can refuse service to anyone for any reason. They will have to deal with their customer base and if most customers are offended they will go out of business. To force this person to serve a group of people that choose a lifestyle that Colorado does not approve of is crazy. If you support making a black DJ MC a KKK rally and have that same court force a black owned cleaning company to clean it up or put them out of business, then I guess you are right. I don’t think either should be forced.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    You are right. He isn’t discriminating against a religion, he is picking and choosing parts of the Bible to use an excuse for not treating others with respect.
    To finish, you state that a business should have the right to carry out bigoted practices as long as others support their anti gay policies.

  • Syberlink

    The customers should be the final judge in this. I would not use them because I disagree with their choice. I think this is going to help Divide And Conquer America. If you or anyone thinks that having the government force this guy to make a cake in a private business is a good idea, then America is lost. If you think this will help Christian Americans to side with the gay community and take away liberty and freedom from Americans, then I think you are wrong. I think most Americans are OK with the gay community and even their right to be married, but now to force people to agree or we will put you out of business using the power of government and make you like it, is not a good idea in my opinion.

  • Mike Lancaster

    I truly cannot fathom how you’ve just connected a race to a lifestyle. How did you get to that conclusion? I respect the whole fact (what I believe to be fact, anyway) that a person is born/raised to either be and/or accept homosexual behavior. I truly have nothing against it. In fact, I am more for gay’s than most around me would know. With that being said, I fully stand with what Beck said. This is truly a choice of this shop owner, both as an individual and a business. Really step back and look here. The owner did not refuse to sell them something because they were gay; he refused to make them a personalized wedding cake. A personalized wedding cake made to conform to their lifestyle. It’s a lifestyle that the owner chooses to and believes to be wrong. If you were to go to a shop that made Pittsburg Steelers lamps, and wanted them to make you a Cleveland Browns lamp, they could refuse. Why? Because you’re a Cleveland Browns fan, and they are not. It’s plain and simple. I realize that you may believe that my analogy is pretty far off, but I do not believe it to be much different. Lay the fact that they are a gay couple to the side. Pretend for a moment that they wanted a cake for their horses birthday. The owner may not make cakes for horse birthdays, does that make him a horrible, anti-animal loving, jerk? No, you would be upset, and most likely move on to the next bakery.

  • Mike Lancaster

    Glenn Coughlin, the owner did not “pick” anything. This is just an off the wall scripture that I found. While it says nothing about marriage, it does cover homosexualism. Again, let me stress, I am not against gay WHATSOEVER. I am against loss of freedom of belief. I am not a “christian”, I am however one that respects all points of view. Take from this what you may, but that man did not “pick” anything. He believes something. A belief is stronger (much like believing(knowing) the love for another person-even if they are the same sex) than anything in life. It’s your core, your hope, your everything. It’s what he believes….

    Romans 1:26-27
    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In
    the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and
    were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts
    with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their
    error.

  • David Kerns

    You had to bring the race card in didn’t you,you racist jerk

  • Bonnie Somer

    amen i agree good for him

  • Brenda Lynn

    Why is a judge ordering someone to do something for gays who want to marry in a State that dosen’t support gay marriage? Doesn’t make sense to me.

  • Anonymous

    Amen Tony, I agree!! It is not just free speech, or free expression, it is all about the right to religious freedom!!! No judge or government agency can force him into violating his faith! I said that a long time ago “Go to another damn bakery.”

  • STICKERS ARE UGLY

    If the owner was gay and told those who believed in traditional marriage he would not make them cakes, would he go through all this discrimination BS?

    I think most know the answer, which is why the double standard must be called out, laughed at, and the majority of Americans who believe in traditional marriage stand behind those who stand up for it.

    Gay people are not even what 1% of the population? yet you would think they control all 330 million of our lives the way they pandered to.

  • Bridget Burton

    Totally understand but I’d like for you to consider an alternative. We are to be a light before mankind. When it’s the question of a cake …. Consider that there are Christians and gays that buy and sell merchandise in every store. Because I buy from a gay salesperson does that make me gay or does that make God angry? My appeal is that in all that we do do it unto God. If you are a baker, be a praying baker. Put a sign in your window that “We pray for you and with you. That’s our policy.” Before they leave the store actually take them aside and pray for them. Anyone coming into your shop will see your light. You don’t have to have the toppers that the couple may want but you can tell them where to buy them. When you pray for them, speak of God’s love only … let the Holy Spirit bring them to HIM. Your job is to be kind and love your neighbor. Your clients may not believe as you do but they will know that YOU believe.

  • jason

    no correlation at all…good try tho…smh

  • Chris

    It is still moronic to deny service to anyone based on your beliefs. Is he gonna go to hell by baking a cake for gay couple? Seems to me he could “spread to the good word” by giving service to any and all, regardless of their sexual orientation.

  • Chris

    I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t happen. Christians seem to be only ones that want to deny service to people based on their religious beliefs.

  • Anonymous

    I remember there was a sign in businesses that gave notice: “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” A business has that right.

  • mikepc

    His analogy is not wrong. Even if it was, Regardless of religion, making cakes is an artform. An artform is a type of speech and requires a personal touch. By forcing someone to make one you are violating thier freedom of speech rights.

    Now lets look at the reli gion thing…. since when do you have to be a preacher to believe something? If this is case I guess we need to re-evaluate the number of christians, muslims, jews…. yeah, scarylogic your lack of logic is scary!

  • Leif Paulson

    I’ve grown up and lived in southern Wyoming just about all of my life. In the past decade or so, I’ve seen Colorado go from solidly red to moderate red to swing to solid blue. The Boulder and urban Denver crowd has just spread like wildfire throughout the Front Range. Unfortunately, the baker won’t find any help in that state.

  • Jack Clayton

    You are an idiot…..once again its about commerce. If for what ever reason someone doesn’t want your money go somewhere that does. You can not legislate how people think feel or believe. You can try but you will fail…miserably.

  • Duncan McMillan

    In my opinion, when it come to this issue we are missing the most important part. I do think it would be wrong for one person to deny services to another based on race, gender, or other things that they can not control without intervention (God chose your skin color, what gender you were born as, what nationality you were born as, etc.) However, in my opinion, choosing who you sleep with is a behavioral choice. That is the difference. By making someone provide a service to someone else when they have deep convictions regarding a behavior is wrong. That is why many are trying so hard, and improperly I might add, to make this a civil rights issue. If they can do that, they disguise the fact that homosexuality is behavioral choice and convince people that it is normal and acceptable and that people who don’t accept that are just bigots or homophobes. That is where the challenge should be,, not in comparing it to the KKK or other civil right issues. If you do that, you are playing into their hand and will lose the battle.

  • Legirons

    Not a matter of religion it is a matter of freedom. The scumbag judge does not have the authority to order a private business to perform any services for anyone they do not wish to do business with. NAMBLA comes in and has a boy love dance, you cool forcing someone to cook and set up their party? Then the judge orders reeducation? F him.

  • kswolke

    You can’t force people to pray with you. You aren’t supposed to be able to force people to make you a cake they don’t make, either.

  • Mickie Metzger

    Well said.

  • Monica Bryant

    Since gay marriage is still illegal in CO, by forcing him to bake a cake for illegal activity, wouldn’t that be against the law!!!???? I am a native Coloradan and am deeply grieved at the direction our state is going.

  • Megan Urbanik

    Glenn is not discriminating. He is not saying anything bad about the LGBT community. It is against the owners CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to be forced into anything against his religion. According to the owner, gay marriages ARE against his religion/beliefs. It does not matter if all Christians feel this way. THIS Christian does and it is his right to be able to deny service. He would be willing to make them any kind of cake, except the one that goes against every moral fiber he holds dear. He is not discriminating. He is but a man standing up for HIS beliefs which are under attack by people like you. Hope you understand some day that just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they don’t have rights just like you do.

  • Rivka

    A free economy creates its own checks and balances. If enough people are outraged or displeased with a service or provider they can simply refuse to go. The issue is the morality of customers not the owner. You know how many people I know who preach hatred of big business, then proceed to shop there? What it all bulls down to is the service, not the business morals. This man has a right to run his business how he wants and, if you don’t like it, you have the right to not shop there. If it was enough of a problem, people’s refusal to go would put him out of business. But like I said, its about the service, so most people don’t care so long as he provides affordable/exceptional service. That’s why businesses like Walmart are still around… Not enough people really care enough and would sooner bite their tongue for a deal or for good product/services than to go without.
    Whose lacking morals here? The owner you claim is hateful or you who lays down your dignity, demanding service, for a damn cake? You’re patronizing someone you disagree with, trying to force them to change, which wont happen. Fail on so many levels…

  • Satisfied Customer

    Oh what a lie. There are plenty of militant homosexuals out there that hate straight people and refuse to do business with them. That’s their right, just as it is the right of a religious person to tell you that they are not interested in your business. Forcing people to violate their beliefs with the force of law is going to end BADLY, and soon.

  • Bill Streb

    And if this was a Muslim baker. . . .
    . . . .this wouldn’t have happened. Muslims seem to have a Get Out Of Jail Free card for everything. We don’t want to offend them. But Christians?

  • shutterbunny

    Silly to say avoid using the Bible to support one’s stand,when THAT is where it’s derived.
    Yes, it would be the same if a Muslim owned business refused a Christian customer.
    The government must stay out of our businesses,and our business

  • Steve Ottesen

    Art form? Making cakes? That’s a real stretch. They don’t make cakes to express themselves. They make cakes for people to eat and to make money.

  • Legirons

    Oh yes he should in that state and then the Gay baker should have to attend straight school.

  • shutterbunny

    True. Big difference between mistreating someone and doing something that condones

  • Legirons

    Are you really that stupid? You yourself as a gay man going to be made to bake a cake for the Westboro scumbags? You cool with that?

  • mom

    I am going to order some food from this shop now. Just because I can maybe it will help him pay for his attorney’s

  • Steve Ottesen

    But this is a good way to spread the word in the local community that these people will refuse service based on their religious beliefs. People who agree with them can patronize their business and those who don’t can take their money elsewhere.

  • Steve Ottesen

    What battle? Why are you wanting a fight. The people just want a cake and you want to fight?

  • Chris

    Ok, Show me a media sensationalized story of a gay person denying services and or goods to a straight person and you win.

  • Steve Ottesen

    That’s the best Christian reply I’ve read. No, you can’t make them pray with you, but you can show that your beliefs are based in love and not hatred. If the owners in question had handled the way you suggest it never would have become such a controversy and Christianity would not have received another black eye.

  • STICKERS ARE UGLY

    It is just like the black folks, when they commit a crime the journalist writing the article will not even mention their race. Same goes for gay folk, they do something, it won’t even make the news because they are protected in this country. Let a Christian say Jesus Christ at high school ceremony it is national news and condemned by many, that is the double standard, and I am glad this owner is standing up and behind what he believes in, bout time we had people with a backbone in this country.

    My point was to say, the ones preaching tolerance, are the least tolerant among us. My stance is I do not want to do business with a gay person, but do not hold that against me, just as I would not hold it against a gay person if they do not wanna do business with me.

  • Chris

    You’re right, it wouldn’t have happened. They most likely wouldn’t deny service to anyone based on their religious beliefs as it would be bad business to deny goods and services to customers simply because you don’t agree with their lifestyle.

  • OhOkay
  • landofaahs

    Personally I would bake it and charge them 3 fold. Work requiring extra stress would be the reasoning.

  • STICKERS ARE UGLY

    You read his post wrong, he is saying a Muslim owner would not have been treated like this Christian owner regarding discrimination.

    Christians have a higher standard, and money is not the end all be all. This man should be applauded for standing up for what he believes in, it is truly rare in today’s culture to see someone like him.

  • Bill Streb

    That is the most uniformed statement I have read in a long time. Do you know anything about Muslims? EVERYTHING they do is based on their religious beliefs! Not only would they have not sold them a cake, they would have stoned them to death as they are commanded to by their holy book.

  • rickbooker

    Sounds like your sense of morality is for sale at the right price. I’m sure that’s not true

  • Bill Streb

    Don’t confuse Chris with facts.

  • Chris

    Are you serious? It’s not reported because it doesn’t happen. You do not have very good business sense if you choose to openly alienate an entire demographic. Chic-Fil-A is openly against gay marriage and that is their right, but do they deny service to gay people? No, they don’t. Why? Because it would be bad for business and they aren’t that simple minded.

  • catman

    Your own quote proves that he is justified in making his OWN decisions….”…..according to the dictates of our conscience and allow all men the same privilege. Let them worship how, where, or what they may.” His OWN belief leads him to choose to not to provide this service. That is his choice, according to his OWN conscience. It is not up to us to decide what his beliefs should be, or how he should interpret religious teachings.

  • tinsldr2

    because it is the law and it shows the fault of the bakers case.
    In CO they have a law (which I disagree with) that says if you get a business license for a business open to the public, that uses public roads and utilities, you can not deny a person access based on Race, Religion, Sex, or Sexual orientation. Again I do not like the law, the business owner should be able to be as bigoted as he wants, but that is the law in CO
    The weakness of the baker’s case was exactly what Brenda pointed out Th cake was not even going to be used at a wedding. it was simply a reception that a same sex couple wanted and he refused to sell them the same cake he would sell a male – female couple simply because they were a same sex couple.
    it has NOTHING to do with marriage because the couple was already LEGALLY married in another state. Nobody was making him take part in any wedding ceremony. he was asked to sell a cake and refused to sell tat cake just because the buyers were gay
    Now again, I agree he should be able to be a bigot, but the law says he can not.

  • Chris

    Good find. I think its a bad decisions on either side to deny service. But, it seems that his denial of service to the Governor is a direct result of her denying him a right every other human being has.

  • Chris

    What?

  • Chris

    Do you actually know any Muslims? Your biggest fault is throwing every Muslim into one category and treating them as if they all think alike. Should the world treat all Christians based on the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church? No, because this would be unfair.

  • tinsldr2

    You wrote ” You aren’t supposed to be able to force people to make you a cake they don’t make”
    But that is the problem, they DO make Wedding cakes. They probably have a book or pamphlet with the cakes they make inside of it. And if someone says I want this cake, the state law in CO (a law I DISAGRE with) says they cant say I wont sell you the cake because you are gay.

  • Sioban

    So let me get this straight……gay marriage is illegal in Colorado and it is also illegal to not bake them a cake while they are engaging in illegal activity. That makes no sense!!

  • Anonymous

    You had me until you called him a bigot. So, let me ask…the GAY couple walks in and proceeds to order a GAY wedding cake from Mr.Phillips. Mr. Phillips takes the order and then announces that the price of that cake is $5000. Do the goofy liberals in Colorado still insist on dragging him to some goofy liberal board to dictate what his pricing structure on wedding cakes should be?

  • Anonymous

    Find a sign and post it, “I reserve the right to refuse to service”. You can also tell them you are behind in baking cakes and won’t make the wanted deadline…..tell them to take a hike.

  • Anonymous

    children never like to hear the word “no”.

  • Jim Keating

    Man, Glenn hit the nail on the head when he quoted Bill Maher, of all people, as saying this is the work of the gay mafia! Good for these people who are standing up for their rights as American citizens! I also think it’s stupid for this judge to make someone do something for a gay couple in a state that it is illegal for this gay couple to get married in the first place!

  • avengeflipper

    Right, they are requiring him to endorse an illegal activity.

  • Jim Keating

    Amen to that! What is so Ironic, these gay people support a Muslim supporting President. Don’t Muslims believe homosexuals should be put to death?

  • Thom Thomsen

    And I can’t wait to have the Black community hire KKK members to mow their lawns, pick up their trash, etc. What a putz.

  • kswolke

    Forcing him to participate by baking their cake does affect him according to his beliefs. His religion calls for him to not participate in this and to be a good example and not lead others astray according to his beliefs. He did not refuse service, just refused to make a wedding cake. He was fine serving them anything else. There is a difference between discriminating against an action or belief, and the person. He did not discriminate against the persons. I’m guessing if satanists wanted a satanic wedding cake, he wouldn’t do that either. If a pedophile wanted a pedophilia wedding cake, he wouldn’t do that either. Get it yet? Just as they are allowed to discriminate against christian beliefs and actions, so he is allowed to discriminate against other beliefs and actions. You can’t ask for your freedom of choice and belief while denying it to others at the same time. Christian people have also been discriminated against in history, just as they are today. If anything these people should support them and their right to their beliefs without discrimination against their person. Marriage is a touchy issue, because you must be careful not to infringe on another’s right to choose, like forcing them to participate against their beliefs, which is making them sin, or forcing them to be a bad example or lead others to sin, or forcing a church to do your wedding- it is a slippery slope. A christian cannot force a synagogue to hold their wedding. This same couple needs to go try to have their wedding in a mosque, try to have a muslim bakery make their cake, see how well that goes over. Demand a muslim caterer to fix you a pork dinner. Who out discriminates who then? How would they like to be sent to ‘reeducation’ camps/training? Would they like to be forced to serve someone against their beliefs? LGBT is not a physical trait, but a mindset, a lifestyle, a belief system and more equivalent to christianity than to skin color, skin color is a physical trait, not a mindset, not a belief system, not a lifestyle. Ultimately each human has the potential to be gay or do anything within the entire spectrum of human behavior, we choose how to think, act, and feel. You may have those thoughts, but you choose whether to entertain them and act upon them, and how you feel about them. Being gay isn’t even clearly defined- is it by action, thought, association? It depends on who you ask. I am tired of bullies attacking people because of their beliefs. They do not represent the majority of the LGBT community, but their vicious behavior has a negative impact upon that community and our society as a whole.

  • Nikee Steinhoff

    enough of the LGBT we all need to stand up together against this as Christians for they are no more seeking to gain their own rights, they now want to take rights away.

  • Thom Thomsen

    Chic-Fil-A is a thriving business that has no “gay” options in their food. If there was a “gay” chicken sandwich, I would guess that it would be taken from the menu. And how do they know that someone is gay when they approach the service counter? Do they have “Gay” tattooed on their foreheads? Or do that have to be swishing, or making out with their partner? Chic-Fil-A does a BOOMING business, and would continue to do so if again boycotted by the gay community. I went to support them at the last “gay outrage” and was absolutely delighted by the hundreds of folks deluging the stores. They don’t need the gay community, they just are decent enough to ignore them.

  • landofaahs

    What did Paul say about eating food sacrificed to idols? Of course smile at them all as you deliver the cake and say “I hope you all enjoy the cake” as I left laughing.

  • landofaahs

    If you owned a grocery store would you refuse to sell them food? Their immoral behavior is on them not me.

  • Thom Thomsen

    Or would a KKK member have to clean a black man’s drains? Get off this, you’re just another race baiting idiot.

  • Paul Schratz

    Big difference between selling someone a cake, selling them flowers, etc., and asking them to participate in the wedding by making a special cake or floral arrangement to celebrate the event. Good for Phillips for standing firm.

  • Bill Streb

    Yes. I know lots of Muslims. The “noisy” ones are setting the stage for the rest. I have never heard any public renunciation of any “radical” Muslim terrorist behavior by other Muslim groups. Any Muslim that strictly follows their religious doctrine is dangerous. Convert or Kill is what they are taught. I realize they can’t be all lumped together. I have never heard any Christian church speak in support of Westboro Baptist Church. They are also only a minute part of the general Christian population. Radical Muslims on the other hand, seem to be causing a tremendous amount of killing around the world. There is also a huge difference between Westboro’s protesting events, as tasteless as it might be, and the outright killing of thousands of people annually attributed to Muslims.

  • Teresa Trout

    Gay marriages are illegal in the state of Colorado, yet the baker is being mandated to make wedding cakes for gay people??? Ummm…. what the hell is wrong with this picture??!! How can they mandate something that is illegal???

  • Chris

    “When this country was being settled, there was persecution of religious denominations, and our federal constitution established the important protection of separation of church and state, so the state cannot dictate religion on its citizens. This was done to protect all religious beliefs, not just those of the majority.

    If your desire is to convert others to your religious beliefs by constitutional directive, it sets a bad precedent for you if the shoe is ever on the other foot.

    Constitutions are supposed to protect the minority, not be a tool of the majority to oppress them.”

  • Shawn Cameron

    A business should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason they choose.

  • Diane

    Ummm, just a head’s up….I was trying to buy a calendar in a mall kiosk that was being managed by Muslims and they don’t believe in credit being used so they would not allow me to use my credit card for my purchase. I ended up just walking away. Maybe I should have made a big deal out of it, but I just went to another place that sold the same calendar and bought it there. But just know, Christians are absolutely NOT the “only ones” who want to deny service based on religious beliefs.

  • davspa

    You are confusing what a bigot is, which is an attitude, with an action. When the civil rights laws were passed in the mid 1900′s in the U.S., there were thousands and millions of whites who still looked down on blacks in their minds, who hated them for no other reason than the color of their skin – they were STILL bigots – but they were now required by law to serve them in their establishments nonetheless.

    As often as you and people who act like you do this, attempting to redefine words so to get your agenda carried out, it won’t work. The homosexual activist does not have the right to redefine words that the general population is using. Bigotry, is and always will be, an attitude. It may result in action, such as violence, harsh words, disdainful looks, discriminatory hiring practices, but it is an attitude.

    Did you hear what the man said? He did NOT look down on homosexuals. He was NOT bigoted. He was WILLING to serve them whatever other pastry they wanted, just not one that promoted the union of two men or two women. He did not spit on them when they came to the counter; he did not order them out of the store, he did not refuse to serve them, as was done against blacks in the mid 1900′s. He was willing to take their money and give them a product in return. But this did not absolve him of his Constitutional right to express his faith. Just as you can’t force a Jewish or Muslim butcher to sell pork, because of their religions beliefs. How is this any different? Do you also call the Jewish or Muslim shop owner a bigot in these situations?

    Perhaps this man is technically breaking a ridiculous law, but he is not a bigot.

  • Diane

    Maybe Christians are the only ones who will just turn the other cheek and walk away?????

  • Chris

    I’m sure Jesus would have said the same thing, NOT!

  • Shawn Cameron

    So they can get their cake elsewhere. It’s his business and he has the right to refuse service. The flip side of that is they have the right to spread the word and that may cost him business, but he seems to be okay with that.

  • Shawn Cameron

    As you said the problem is the law. No business should forced to provide service to anyone for any reason. But as Bridget Burton said, they could have handled it a bit better.

  • Chris

    What the hell does not accepting credit cards have to do with any of this. They, like a lot of other people, do not want or cannot afford to pay ridiculous credit card fees to big corporations. The fact that they may or may not even be muslim has nothing to do with this. It’s laughable you think this is relevant.

  • Sol Rosenberg

    Good for him, stand by your convictions. I don’t give a hoot if someone is gay, I really don’t, but don’t shove your agenda in my face and tell me I ‘have’ to accept it.

  • Teresa Trout

    Bill Streb wrote… which is worth copying and pasting for it to be stated again….
    “And if this was a Muslim baker. . . .
    . . . .this wouldn’t have happened. Muslims seem to have a Get Out Of Jail Free card for everything. We don’t want to offend them. But Christians?
    GOOD POINT!!!

  • Chris

    “but don’t shove your agenda in my face and tell me I ‘have’ to accept it.”

    Which is precisely what the government is doing by denying them the right to get married. Kind of a hypocritical statement on your part, don’t ya think?

  • Denise

    Maybe they have, and maybe that straight couple/person/business refused to go take them to court? Ever thought of that?

  • Nikee Steinhoff

    you don’t know Jesus friend. He did not come to send peace but a sword………For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.…

  • Anonymous

    I would not want to eat a cake baked by a guy who was forced under penalty of law to bake it.

  • Anonymous

    Getting weird in my state. “Reeducation camp-style training” is right on the money.

    I’d say there are two mortal sins you can commit against the New Word Order: 1) anything that even remotely smacks of racism and 2) failing to vociferously support homosexuals.

  • Anonymous

    And yet, we can be forced to purchase something whether we want to or not.

  • Anonymous

    Liberals don’t care, so long as “social justice” is taking place. See, as far as they’re concerned, you’re “born that way” just as surely as the color of your skin. Ergo, discriminating based on something you can’t help is wrong.

    If you start with that point of view, the outcome is obvious and they’d be right. What you have to do is question the starting premise, but what we’re doing instead is fighting the outcome.

  • Oscar C Salinas

    Christians have only two cheeks like any one else. After that their freedom an d convictions come alive.

  • Anonymous

    As Monty Python once said, “Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition”

  • Anonymous

    Yes, they could, because the price would be gouging and also discriminatory. You can’t win that way. You’re not allowed to win.

  • James Carter III

    Discrimination because of someones actions is different from discrimination because of the color of someones skin.

  • James Carter III

    I could not have said it better myself.

  • Phydeux

    He’s not denying them access. He even said he’d sell a gay person anything but a wedding cake. That’s the ONLY thing that violates his religious freedoms. And its also the product that requires the most artistry.

    But other laws of this type have been ruled unconstitutional. It just takes someone with the spine to take it to a high enough court.

  • kswolke
  • Chris

    Again, that is in direct response to the governor denying him rights that every other american has. Its more of a statement to his state government that him denying service because she is straight, nice try though.

  • Chris Stratford

    He can get around this as follows: Everyone who comes for a baked good with “artistic content”, such as a wedding cake, signs a release that give full final artistic license to the baker and indemnifies him against any and all liability. Then he can add whatever editorial content he wants to the cake. In the case of a same sex wedding he can make whatever cake he wants, with whatever editorial content he wants, to whatever workmanship standard he wants.
    When the litigious same sex couples come back and try to sue he can then produce the release and tell them to pound sand. I myself would be very interested to see what sort of messages could be incorporated into cakes.

  • Sol Rosenberg

    Nope!

  • Chris

    Then you my friend are a big part of the problem If you cant see the hypocrisy in your statement.

  • Chris Stratford

    its not the “born that way” part that is the problem, it is the “act that way” part that is the issue. If humans are more than mere animals they can rise above their base instincts and control their behavior in accordance with societal norms, All of us have to do this. Most men would love to ‘do’ every beautiful woman and cute girl they see, but we control ourselves. if you can’t control it, at least don’t expect society to force everyone to celebrate it.

  • Man Revolt

    God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah for their homo$exu@l filth.
    The “men of Sodom” were so depraved that they wanted to literally have $ex with ANGELS sent by God, and tried to smash Lot’s door down to have their perverse way with the angels. They would not stop until struck with blindness. This is all you need to know about this uniquely despicable sin. It is associated with REPROBATION by St. Paul (in Romans.) Mark my words, filthy homo$exu@l marriage (let’s call it what it is, not the deceptive re-branded “same-sex marriage”) is only the latest stop on the
    homo$exu@l agenda’s march to smash YOUR front door down. It is a destructive cancer to decent human society. Call me “homophobic”, “bigoted”, “narrow-minded” or whatever hate-filled twisting of right and wrong you wish. It doesn’t change the facts.

  • Chris

    Doesn’t change what facts? You haven’t stated any that I can see.

  • Man Revolt

    Because you are blind.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    Yes, I would serve the customer.
    As a business owner, I understand that I need to treat every customer with respect.

  • Chris

    You are the one wearing blinders my friend.

  • Johhny “the rat”

    Good point. It would be “participating” in a celebration of homosexuality, which is by all accounts, seen as a sin in the Bible.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    If your philosophy were followed, there would still be segregation in the South.

  • Man Revolt

    Sure thing, buddy.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    Great argument.
    Call someone an idiot to make yourself feel better.

  • Man Revolt

    Yeah, funny how that little gem happened, eh?

  • Glenn Coughlin

    Did America lose when restaurants and private businesses in the South were forced to treat Black and White equally?

  • Johhny “the rat”

    I don’t know if this really applies to this situation, but Jesus did say, “it’s not what goes into the mouth of a man that defiles him, but what comes out that defiles him”. He was speaking about the no longer valid Jewish traditions of what you can and cannot eat, but the speech of these homosexuals defiles them further than they already are.

  • tinsldr2

    You Wrote:

    ‘he’d sell a gay person anything but a wedding cake’
    So you agree, he would not sell a wedding cake to the same sex couple that he would sell to a male female couple simply because they were gay.
    I just want to make sure we are speaking the same language. because if you wrote the above sentence in the English language, then you admit he was treating their business transaction differently just because they were gay.

  • tinsldr2

    I agree 100% Shawn , All the parties could have handled it better. And the law itself is flawed and should leave businesses that are privately owned alone to do as they want as long as it does not hurt someone else through force or fraud

  • Man Revolt

    What do you know about what Jesus would say, Chris?
    I’m sure in your warped view, Jesus would say that we should all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Sorry… the children of Satan will always be at war against the children of God, the same way Cain murdered Abel.

  • tinsldr2

    You defined a bigot as an “attitude ”

    You then went on to say he would not serve a same sex couple a cake he would sell to anyone else just because they were gay

    So how is that not meeting the definition of bigot that you yourself used? Most bigots say their are not bigots but their actions show what their attitudes really are al about.

    The SOLE reason he would not sell them a cake is because they were gay. Not selling is an ACTION, the reason is bigotry.

    You wrote “He was willing to take their money and give them a product in return.” But we know that is a lie because when they offered him money for the same product he would sell another couple they refused.

    You then make a false analogy to pork. if a store does not sell pork you can not demand they sell pork. However If the jewish butcher sells Kosher Brisket to a jew, he must also sell that same Brisket to a non-jew if they want.

    The bakery sold wedding cake. They wanted a wedding cake and were refused. if the bakery did not sell wedding cake to anyone, then they could not have demanded one special.

  • Anonymous

    The Libtards are hilarious….Good for this man! PRAISE GOD and BE STRONG Brother!!!!!

  • tinsldr2

    I do not know what a gay wedding cake is? What makes it gay?
    Typically bakeries have pictures of cakes or cakes on display and you flip through them and say I want this one. then if there are flavor options you tell them and if there are names you give them.
    If they charge a male female couple $150 and a same sex couple gets the same cake with just different names on it they could not charge $5K for the same cake under the law in most states.
    personally I would be fine with them charging what they want for a cake but that is not what the laws says, but personally if they wanted to be bigots I am fine with them having a legal right to do so, as long as others have a right to show what bigots the shop owner are and protest the shop.

  • ruburnt

    Funny..The Gay Mafia thinks nothing of trampling on the rights of others to acquire their own….

  • GoldGlove

    Here’s something Jesus did say about it–

    Jesus commanded us, “Remember Lot’s wife!”

    The sin in Sodom didn’t bother Lot’s wife—she was enjoying
    the “eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, and building” that Jesus says was going on in Sodom (Luke 17:28). And Ezekiel 16:49 describes Sodom’s pride and the excess of food and prosperous ease and that they did not aid the poor and needy.

    Lot’s wife was obviously tolerant of the open homosexuality
    as she enjoyed the life of ease and prosperity in Sodom.

    A couple thousand years after Sodom was destroyed, Jesus
    considered it still relevant and commanded and warned his followers, “Remember Lot’s wife!”

  • Man Revolt

    Great point my friend!

  • S Clarkson

    I think we are missing the point here. The baker didn’t deny to serve this couple. He offered them the items that were available in his bakery. What he refused to do was to create a PRODUCT that he found objectionable. Much in the same way if there is a local artist in your community and he is know to be a staunch supporter of PETA and you went to him and wanted to commission a piece of art that depicted the glorification of the slaughtering of animals. He refused to create the piece. He told you he would be happy to create another piece for you, but he found the subject matter objectionable. Would he be considered a bigot? Did he discriminate against you or did he simply refuse to create a product that went against his personal beliefs?

  • Man Revolt

    “The superior virtue of the oppressed” as Bertrand Russell put it.

  • lexingtonnchick

    As the parent of a gay daughter I say Good for You- stand by what you believe. I am blessed that I don’t have one of those freaks who protest everything. My daughter respects others and their beliefs and doesn’t push hers on anyone else. Just as gays want respect for who they are, Christians should not be condemned because of their beliefs and who they are. No one person has more right to their belief than any other. He doesn’t want to make cakes-his choice. Gay people- don’t shop there! Its not that complicated.

  • lexingtonnchick

    ummm Gays don’ mess with Muslims- they are scared as hell of them.

  • Chris

    “For most of his adult life Russell maintained that religion is little more than superstition and, despite any positive effects that religion might have, it is largely harmful to people. He believed that religion and the religious outlook serve to impede knowledge and foster fear and dependency, and are responsible for much of our world’s wars, oppression, and misery.”

  • tinsldr2

    You are somehow implying the store does not sell wedding cakes, the fact is they Do sell wedding cakes. The cake for this couples wedding would not have been materially different then any other wedding cake he sold.
    If they wanted a strawberry cake and he told them he did not do strawberry cakes for ANYBODY he would have a point.
    But if they said they wanted a three layer white icing wedding cake in traditional colors and style and flavor and he sold that same style cake to other people then he would be a bigot if the only reason he did not sell them the cake was they were a same sex couple.
    I do a lot of fishing. If I asked a PETA artist to paint me a shark I caught and he refused because he did not paint sharks that would be fine. If he sold shark paintings but would not sell me the same painting just because I catch sharks that would be wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I call you on that… what rights is the “Gay Mafia” trampling on? Do tell.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently the judge never heard of the first amendment. He seems to fall in the realm of do what ever you want to do and forget laws and precedent.

  • Man Revolt

    I think you missed the point

  • Anonymous

    “Hello everybody, anyone want any wedding cakes”, says a guy in the cake business. “Yes, we do”, says a gay couple. “No, everyone, I meant, except you”… responds the cake guy… This is discrimination. Period. Hide behind your sick interpretation of religion, it makes no difference. You are discriminating people who believe differently than you… very un-American. Period.

  • Anonymous

    That’s because it’s an idiotic point. Christians, in America, are very very very very far from being oppressed. You guys are a joke: “waaah, waaaah,” you cry, “the government doesn’t let me discriminate against gays! I’m being oppressed! Waah, waah!” Man, you guy are such crybabies, and know nothing of true oppression.

  • Anonymous

    So, is it discrimination when I go into a Chilies restaurant with my AR-15 strapped to my back asserting my 2nd Amendment rights and they refuse to serve me because other customers don’t understand?

  • Anonymous

    Why in the world would you want to go in and scare off the costumers at a Chillies with your assault rifle?

  • Chris

    Well put.

  • Anonymous

    Besides, it’s not the same thing at all. For it to be like the wedding cake discrimination, Chillies would have to deny you service, not only for going into their restaurant with an assault rifle, but just for being a gun owner. As far as I know, this is very far from the case.

  • Anonymous

    Sell them a birthday cake. Let them call it whatever they want.

  • Jayne Nielsen

    I wish the Establishment GOP had half the cajones Jack Phillips has to stand up for their beliefs and values. Maybe then the Republicans wouldn’t be in such a mess!

    KUDOS TO AND MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS (AND PROTECT) JACK AND HIS WIFE AND THEIR FAMILY!!!!!

  • Chris

    Protect them from what?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I wanna know too.

  • Anonymous

    And it’s spelled: “cojonoes”.

  • Anonymous

    I said AR-15. What is an assault rifle? Also, why in the world would two people of the same sex want to get a wedding cake?

  • GoldGlove

    “waaah, waaaah” say the two homosexuals. “He won’t make us a cake. Mommy, he won’t make us a cake!”
    Yes, one of their mommies did call the bakery the next day.
    “waaah, waaaah, waaah.”

  • Chris

    You really should take “CommonSense” out of your name….

  • Anonymous

    They ask them to leave. They were not sold a wedding cake.

  • Anonymous

    Nah, we didn’t call mommy, and we weren’t crying. We sued based on anti-discrimination, you know, those laws that protect us from being discriminated for what we are and believe. And we did it with such strength, that it got some homophobes crying. True story

  • Anonymous

    Because they are getting married. Hello?

  • Anonymous

    http://apocalypsecometh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ar15.jpg

    This is what we’re talking about, right?

  • Jane Doe

    You bleeding heart liberals and homos obviously still don’t ‘get’ it…. or either you just don’t want to. This isn’t about discrimination, it’s about MORALS (religious rights) and the guys 1st amendment rights! The guy obviously has religious convictions and chose NOT to bake a cake for them, because he knows that homosexuality is clearly WRONG and simply chose not to condone it. Whether you like it or not, the indisputable fact is that only TRADITIONAL marriage is actually “marriage.” You can play that “discrimination card” or “hate/homo-phobe card” all you want, it doesn’t change the fact. And neither does the different states passing godless laws.

  • Anonymous

    ???

  • Chris

    He could just be a decent human being and sell everyone cakes. Then he wouldn’t need an attorney.

  • Anonymous

    Spin, spin, spin. Listen, when YOUR morality legitimizes your discrimination of a people it becomes immoral. We don’t believe homosexuality is a sin (sin is not a category of State or Federal governments). Why are you supposedly libertarian people asking the nanny state to isolate you from gay people… We are all at a loss looking at you guys. You are being very illogical, contradictory, and worst of all, hateful and divisive. Not Christ like at all.

  • tinsldr2

    Protect them from having to make money by selling a cake

  • Chris

    Guess I’ll just keep posting this….

    “When this country was being settled, there was persecution of religious denominations, and our federal constitution established the important protection of separation of church and state, so the state cannot dictate religion on its citizens. This was done to protect all religious beliefs, not just those of the majority.

    If your desire is to convert others to your religious beliefs by constitutional directive, it sets a bad precedent for you if the shoe is ever on the other foot.

    Constitutions are supposed to protect the minority, not be a tool of the majority to oppress them.”

  • Anonymous

    I’m still waiting for a lawyer to make the right argument to a court.

    If he refused to bake it because they were gay, he is discriminating.

    If he refused to bake it because it was for a same-sex wedding, forcing him to bake it is a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.

    How do you know which is which?

    If the couple’s heterosexual parents came in and ordered the cake for their sons wedding and made it know it was a gay wedding, and he refuses to bake it for them, then there is no 14th Amendment violation.

  • Anonymous

    You’re splitting hairs… man, this is exactly why many hate lawyers.

  • Anonymous

    Is this a picture of a semi automatic or a selective fire automatic? I can’t tell by the picture. Of course you are familiar with what I am talking about aren’t you?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, very scary gun.

  • Jane Doe

    ? How is it that I am “trying to convert others to my religious beliefs?” I’m just taking up for the guy because he is exercising his OWN religious (and Constitutional) rights to hold to his personal convictions/ morals. How is it that he should be dictated to by an overreaching big government as to what he should or should not do in his own business?

  • Anonymous

    What part didn’t you understand? Chilies would not serve them and ask them to leave. Just like the baker did when he would not bake a wedding cake for queers.

  • Chris

    By making gay marriage illegal is exactly that. Not everyone believes that it is a sin, so why should there be laws stating that it’s illegal. This is constitutional directive aimed at forcing christian ideals on others, plain and simple. Wake up!

  • Anonymous

    Why? Just because you don’t have any doesn’t mean that I can’t use mine.

  • Anonymous

    Two GUYS getting married? That’s just stupid talk. Why would they do that?

  • Chris

    That fact that you think this situation is same as you carrying a rifle into a restaurant proves you have no common sense. You’re just a child that wants to look cool carrying around a gun.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly what I thought. You don’t have a clue!!

  • Anonymous

    Whatever my reason is for carrying around a gun is none of anybody’s business. I am a law abiding citizen with a 2nd Amendment RIGHT to do so. The business has every right, as a private business, to not serve me for their own reasons just like the baker has his reasons for not baking a wedding cake for queers.

  • Anonymous

    Okay. The difference:

    Chilies was not discriminatory, because they simply don’t allow guns in their store, no matter what race you are, what religion you believe, what gender you identify with. They simply don’t allow guns, which applies as a rule for EVERYONE.

    The cake baker, on the other hand, although he believes his actions were following the word of God (a belief, like any other, you are allowed to have by the Constitution), they were also infringing non-discrimination laws. That’s because they discriminate based on gender.

    Now, you know what I’m talking about, right?

  • Anonymous

    They love each other and want to spend their lives faithfully together, just like any other married couple.

  • Anonymous

    Nah, methinks you are just compensating for something with that big gun.

  • Anonymous

    I love lots of people, but that doesn’t mean that I want to marry them.

  • Anonymous

    But you did marry who you truly love, right?

  • Anonymous

    Since you obviously don’t know anything about guns, maybe you shouldn’t talk about guns.

  • Anonymous

    I truly love lots of people, but the Bible instructs for one man, one woman. Not queers.

  • Anonymous

    “Your biggest fault is throwing every Muslim into one category and treating them as if they all think alike.” Sound familiar???

  • tinsldr2

    The religious thing is a complete copout in this case. You can not show a single place in any organized religion where it says a person can not sell a cake.
    This cake was not even going to be used in a wedding as a same sex couple can not get a legal recognition for their wedding in CO
    A wedding cake is simply a “style” of cake. It is not a religious object and is not mentioned in any religious text.
    If he sells wedding cakes and I said I wanted to buy it just to eat it, are you saying he has so much money he would tell me he wont sell me one and I should buy a lower priced cake?
    This couple was not asking the man to accept their wedding, to recognize or take part in their wedding or to condone their wedding. They asked him to sell them a cake of a certain style, that he readily sold to OTHER COUPLES, that they could use at a reception to feed their friends. he refused the sale because they were gay.
    In CO that is a violation of business law. A car dealer cant refuse an SUV car to a gay couple and tell them to buy a non-family car just because they are gay in CO and a baker that sells wedding cakes to other people cant refuse to sell the same style cake just because the couple is of the same sex.
    it is nothing to do with religion. Just Bigotry

  • ScaryLogic

    I didn’t say you have to be a preacher to believe something.

    I don’t now how I could make it simpler.

    He wasn’t performing a wedding, he was making a cake. There is a difference. A cake is not a religious thing, it’s just a type of cake. An artist can paint a picture, but he doesn’t get to choose how someone uses it once they buy it.

  • ScaryLogic

    How is there not?

  • Chris

    Uh yeah… I said it. What’s your point?

  • ScaryLogic

    You answered your own question in the first few lines.
    You believe it to be a fact that someone can be born gay. Something that is not inherently their fault. Similar to a race. That is how I drew that conclusion.

  • Lin

    The reeducation” is already complete and a success in our schools . . .now for all the people. Wait until the sodomites sues to force Christians to rewrite their Bible to eliminate all derogatory reference to homosexuals . . .hate speech . . .and Ministers will have to get all their sermons and church Bible class approved by EEOC prior to implementing or face severe penalties. Don’t believe this will happen??? Bet that you don’t believe that the pedophiles are on the verge of “coming out”.

  • jesusknight

    Good for you! Stand your ground, and keep praying! You are giving hope to lots of others in similar situations. If more people do what you are doing, this nonsense would be toast! (or cake..)

  • jesusknight

    You got that right!

  • Anonymous

    Not entirely true. The couple wanted a “rainbow cake,” something that this baker had not made and did not make for anyone else, and something that they did find another baker to provide for them. This baker was asked to make something that he did not provide for others. If the couple (and this judge) was as tolerant as they want the baker to be, they would accept a cake decorated in the usual way that this baker always decorated them for anyone else. Since SS marriage is illegal in CO, why would anyone be forced by the state to participate in it’s celebration? Submission is not tolerance.

  • Anonymous

    I would make them and I would defecate in every one.

  • Lin

    Religion and Christian faith is just too complicated for you . . .let me give you just a little hint here and hope you are capable of a little critical thinking . . .no where in the Bible or in the Christian faith is it forbidden to kill another human being using an AR-15 . . .or a knife etc. . so in your narrow world, would you also say that “sin” of murder is just more religious bigotry??? Clear your mind, get off the dope and think about it before you call me names and support your stance by saying silly things like Martians are in favor of counterfeit same sex marriage.

  • jesusknight

    They don’t accept the cards BECAUSE of their religious beliefs..lol…

  • Anonymous

    Why is polygamy illegal? Some people believe it is a natural thing to do. Some culture believe in infanticide, female circumcision, stoning etc. etc. You cannot equate “ilegal” with “sin.” Jay walking and running red lights are both illegal, but is either a “sin?”

  • Anonymous

    Just who is to make judgement? Certainly not you, Fiine Tapestry

  • Anonymous

    Not necessarily.

  • Anonymous

    It’s really not an assault rifle unless it has selective fire capability although ignorant legislators have perverted the language. What if someone walked in with a mod 70 Winchester?

  • Chris

    Look, all I’m saying is you can’t make something illegal because a certain religion doesn’t agree with it. Jay walking and running red lights is illegal because it’s dangerous and might get someone killed. Last time I checked two gay people getting married doesn’t put anyone’s life at risk.

  • Jenn

    this baker deserves a medal for sticking to his beliefs….GOD BLESS HIM!

  • Jr000

    I’m pretty sure projects have maintenance guys that take care of that already.

  • Anonymous

    It is said that “One may not see the forest because the trees are blocking the view.”

    Not being a Christian, it is clear to me his Christian beliefs are under attack. Were it about Muslim beliefs, officials would not dare mess with him. Can you spell j-i-h-a-d?

  • Legirons

    #1 that’s a lie and #2 it is a choice. The judge needs this reversed and rammed down his throat.

  • capa760

    Thank You, Tony, you said it better than I could say it. Just ask for a “Wedding Cake of your design, and tell the baker that you have the top decoration you will place your
    self.” I do not infer my sexual orientation, and I do not want to know anyone’s Other
    choices. We have found that some people love to start a scene on purpose (The Public Advocate, has been threatened, his family has been threated for standing with the Bible- that a marriage is between a man and a woman) A Common Law Marriage is between a man and woman, living together not married for a certain length of time for legal rights. Perhaps there is a term of endearment, that will tell people that
    you have a significant other, and we will know, not to ask, where you and your husband (or wife) met.

  • capa760

    There is another thought in this government, also. How many seated in DC have had a homosexual relationship in his/her life or is hiding any trail to someone, while demanding ‘Special Legislation’ to attack freedom.

  • Raz Matazz

    Patriots: Arm yourself with liberty’s longbow and pierce the illusions of today’s liberals and progressives: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878

  • Lin

    I love many women, I’d love my daughter if I had one, I love my sons, I love my dog and as the owner, I’m allowed to “consent” for my dog. . . same for my trees, automobile, fishing tackle, whiskey, etc. . . .I really love them all and would want to faithfully spend the rest of my life with all of them . . .and what you’re saying is that I should be allowed to marry all of them . . .exercising my Constitutional equal rights???? hmm.

  • Lin

    They have a book with wedding cakes showing the cake topped with a man and a woman . . .not a man and a man or a man and a little girl or a man and a dog . . .you can take what is offered but if you want any special order, the baker can refuse to create the special order or create the special order not normally offered and charge whatever he wants to charge for it . . .like maybe $100,000 for the cake . . .then its your choice to refuse or pay the price. I realize that this kind of logic and common sense upsets your little sodomite wagon . . .but that is how it works in a normal world governed by the real meaning of the Constitution.

  • John smith

    same here I think hospitals should be allowed to deny saving lives of gay people and the stupid blacks!!! you know what I’m saying lol

  • John smith

    they should extend the right to deny business to people I think hospitals should be allowed to deny saving lives of gay people and the stupid blacks!!! you know what I’m saying lol

  • Chris

    Ok, care to explain?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, sure, go marry your whiskey.

  • Lin

    Lol lol lol I just love how the little sodomites get their tutus ruffled when you use their warped logic against them . . .marrying my whiskey makes as much sense as a man marrying a man, silly boy.

  • Taraveah

    I would say “unbelievable”, but sadly it isn’t anymore.

  • Anonymous

    Legislators make laws within the framework of the Constitution and supposedly with societies best interest at heart. Most people including [but not exclusive of] Christians have the attitude that homosexuality is abnormal and wrong; test…how many people hope for gay children? Therefore it isn’t merely a sin issue, even though Christians regard it as such, almost all detractors see it as a moral one; therein lyes the difference. As a Christian I believe homosexuality is a sin but apart from that even before I was a Christian I regarded homosexuality as something perverted although I didn’t call it sin at that time.

    Now at this time that I regard it as a sin [disobedience to God's commandments], it is still not for this reason I think it is wrong for the government to “allow” same sex couples to be officially recognised as married in the states eyes. If same sex couples wish to egage in sexual acts with each other what they do in no way is equal to what heterosexual couples have in marriage. It is a question of language and the perversion of it. Marriage has always meant a certain sacred union between a man and woman. Language is something important to society and isn’t something I feel should be “up for grabs”. If same sex couples wish to engage in recognised civil unions then I say fine, let not the state interfere. Just don’t call it marriage becuase it’s not that.

    You see there are other practical ways reconcilling these differences without perturbing everyone. The gays can reap the benefits even if the people that don’t condone their lifestyles can at be tolerant. When homosexuals co-opt the word marriage, they demand acceptance not toleration and it is this arrogant attitude that will keep the rift going. Same sex couples can pretend to be married by getting a peice of paper but the only people they’re fooling is themeselves and POing most other people in the prosses.

    You see there are many complex issues involved regarding where a person stands on a controversy and it doesn’t make things clearer to paint with a broad a brush.

  • Anonymous

    JS @ NO . Do not know what you are saying. If you have something to say come out with it,

  • Anonymous

    Since when is baking a cake and saving a life the same thing? These libs are morons.

  • Anonymous

    What’s with the moderation on this site? I posted a comment to you but it’s pending for whatever reason I don’t know. There was absolutely no profanity or disrespect. Maybe it will still show up, maybe in an hour, maybe a week, maybe never. If the moderators are listening I say put it back and explain yourselves.
    Just a few minute ago I saw something on another Beck thread that was offensive yet there it was in plain sight. I hope it shows up in it’s unedited version so you can see what I’m talking about.
    How about it moderators!

  • 7eloiro7

    Colorado and the liberal judges don’t realize that God is surrounding them if they continue to persecute Christians.They are in for a huge surprise. Give them enough rope…………

  • Anonymous

    Hey moderators! Wake up and put my comment to Chris back!

  • Anonymous

    And it’s spelled “cojones”. Still hate dictionaries I see.

  • Anonymous

    Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Glenn Beck. What the hell! put my comment back!

  • Anonymous

    Awhile ago the most vulgar crap imaginable went right by you dummies and now you stop comments that have no disrespectful content.

    Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Glenn Beck.

  • Lin

    So what you’re saying is that a Christian should be forced to endorse what he considers a sin . . .except on Sundays or if he’s a minister and if he wants to make a living. . . lol.
    You don’t have a true understanding of the First Amendment or that Christianity is a faith . . .a way of life 24/7/365 and not just on Sunday. It would be more feasible and legal to force you to keep your practice of sodomy in your bedroom and not demand special rights because of your sexual orientation.

  • ScaryLogic

    My sexual orientation? Bahhahaha, where did I make any mention of that? Typical you would assume such a thing.

    Anyway….

    He’s not endorsing anything.

  • Stephanie Soucek

    and yet Christians are forced to provide abortion pills in the healthcare law while all the presidents buddies are given an opt out b/c they contributed to his campaign. there is a difference between not serving someone b/c of who they are and not serving someone a specific service that goes against their beliefs. If this guy owned a restaurant it would be unfairly discriminating if he wouldn’t serve a gay couple. However, making a wedding cake or a photographer being hired for a wedding for something that goes against his beliefs (that men do not belong with men sexually) is forcing him to do something against his beliefs. There is a difference.

  • Stephanie Soucek

    you need to read the bible.

  • Jeff P

    How is forcing an individual to do work for another individual not in violation of the 13th amendment which ended slavery?

  • Billy

    So the government now has control over your thoughts as well as your actions.

  • Billy

    But you don’t have to buy it there, You simply can go to another barker

  • ErikandKathy Muller

    Thank you Barack Obama

  • Lin

    Don’t cry little odd one . . .I realize that you sodomites go to babbling when you’re hit with too large a dose of logic and common sense. Wonder what would happen if I walked in a sodomite’s bakery and announced that I was born a gay basher . . can’t help myself, I was born that way . . and I was planning on having a gay bashing party and I wanted this sodomite baker to bake a gay bashing cake and put two little gay figures on top of the cake . . the figures all bloody and beat up. . . hearts and eyeballs hanging out. That wouldn’t hurt anybody . . .just baking a cake. You’re a lying hypocrite if you say that would be OK . esp. considering how badly sodomites treat people who express their belief that marriage is between a man a d a woman .

  • Lucy Farrah DeMonique

    Forcing someone to do or produce something amounts to involuntary servitude, which violates the Constitution (13th amendment).

  • Lin

    Silly, the baker didn’t put up a sign that said “No Gays” outside . . .be real. The baker refused to do a special order for the sodomites. The sodomites could have bought all the cakes and all other items for sale in the store and the baker would have sold it to them. The baker would even have sold them a wedding cake with a man and a woman. figure on top . . .he refused to do a wedding cake with two men on top, or a man and a little girl on top or a man and a dog on top . . .he just didn’t offer those for sale just like he didn’t offer a lot of things for sale. Could you sue him if he refused to bake you a cake made of monkey dung???? Be real.

  • Lin

    They don’t care about the Bible; the sodomites will eventually try to force Christianity to rewrite the Bible and eliminate all derogatory reference to sodomites and will have the government pre-approve ministers’ sermons and Bible classes. These depraved sodomites want to limit faith and religion to be practiced only at home or church on Sunday . . .while they don’t want to keep their sodomite practice in their bedrooms . . .I love it and I hope they keep up their silly Gaystopo tactics . . .that is going to be bigger backlash they will have to endure . . .Obama won’t be president forever. Lol lol

  • Lin

    No he just knows how to deal with Satan’s filthy children.

  • Lin

    Silly, there’s as many people as there are sodomites who believe that there’ s nothing wrong with stealing, rape, murder, incest, polygamy, swinging, animal sex, etc. So you’re saying that they should all be made legal . . .and the ones that are legal should be promoted by the government and promoted in schools. Sodomites act out of urges and instincts . . .no logic in that illness.

  • Lin

    Spin spin spin and a whole lot of your babbling that don’t make sense.

  • Lin

    Protect them and all of us from you filthy children of Satan.

  • That Guy

    The couple wanted a product that the store doesn’t sell. The bakery doesn’t make same sex wedding (or reception) cakes, just like a Ford dealership doesn’t sell new Chevrolets on their lot. It is really as simple as that.

  • Anonymous

    No, but the Koran that all muslims read tell them to kill homosexuals.

  • Anonymous

    Do you ever have trouble with the moderators on this site?

  • SRM29

    You people are unbelievable. You just don’t get it.
    1. You say you respect her opinion, yet call her a bigot… nice.
    2. We Christians are not “using” the Bible for any nefarious purpose. The verses we quote at you are not being “cherry picked”. They are our sources for what we say and believe. We don’t ignore any verses that “contradict our beliefs” because there aren’t any. I find it really arrogant when non believers think they know more about the Bible than we do.

    3. We don’t assume, we know. One can not be a Christian and ignore the Word of God.
    4. I would find a different bakery, like this homosexual couple should have done. But they had to turn it into a circus… like they always do when society doesn’t bow to them.

  • mikepc

    Go take a cooking class… they call it what? Culinary arts. .. it is in colleges arts sections of classes and specialty schools for the arts…

    You sir either do not understand cooking or do not understand art.

  • mikepc

    In addition to what lin pointed out.

    While yes an artist can not control how his work is used after he sells it, he can refuse to do a specific piece of art. For example if someone asked a painter to paint a tree, he could say no. That is all that this baker did. Had they asked for a generic cake there would have been no issue, they however asked for him to “paint a tree”.

  • Grace Victoria Hitchman

    The state loses all credibility by not legalizing gay marriage. How can the state government penalize this guy for discriminating against gay people, when it discriminates against gay people itself?

  • Chris

    You simpletons are still missing the point. You cannot make something illegal because your religion deems it as a sin. Rape and Murder actually inflict harm and its pretty obvious why they are illegal. Gay Marriage isn’t going to harm anyone and doesn’t infringe on Christian rights but you still want to make it illegal. Done here, it’s like trying to explain something to a 3 year old.

  • Chris

    Lin, please don’t post anymore. You lowering the IQ of anyone that reads uninformed ramblings.

  • Chris

    Yay! Someone with rational thought has arrived! Thank you!

  • Chris

    No one is forcing him. He’s only being forced now because he denied services based on discrimination. Don’t discriminate, bake the damn cake and move on.

  • Anonymous

    How would this couple??? feel if knowing this baker doesn’t make good cakes but the government came along and said that is the only baker they can use. I’ll bet they would be screaming that their rights were being taken away. I think they are stupid trying to force this anyway. Not sure I would want someone I had made mad making something I would need to eat. Ever hear of cooks spitting on your steak when you send it back to be recooked…..

  • Chris

    The level of stupidity in this thread has reached an all time high. It seems that none of you can offer a rational argument and instead have to conjure up unrealistic situations for comparison. smh

  • Lin

    Simpleton, so why did you perverts try to boycott Chick-Fil-A out of business because of their Christian views on homosexuality????? . . . .and failed miserably. lol. Go ahead Chris, babble yourself out of that one, silly odd one.

  • Lin

    Sure, just wait for the huge backlash pervert . . .your gay president and judges won’t be in charge forever . . .the pendulum swings both ways. You sodomites who act on urges and instinct instead common sense and logic will be lucky if you’re not put back in the closet and your filthy “orientation” made illegal . . .and counterfeit marriage will be rightly illegal again. Oh what happens to you weirdos already playing house when it becomes illegal???? Hope you “married right” because you’ll be stuck with it . . .can’t have a divorce for something that is illegal. lol lol So go ahead and sue . . .paybacks are a witch. lol

  • Lin

    Oh, what’s the problem, sweetie Chrissy, too big a dose of common sense and logic for you perverted sodomites to handle . . .guess its true that your sick perversion is a mental affliction.

  • Anonymous

    Stick to your guns, dude! We’ll all be praying for you!!

  • GoldGlove

    You can support Jack or his legal defense at
    masterpiececakes dot

  • Lin

    Sure do have problems; the weasels are so scared of 2% of the population with a sick perversion that they have very sensitive filters. You will see some of the most vile, misinformed comments about Christianity . . .Christianity unmercifully mocked and ridiculed by these perverts . . God laughed at and insulted by these mentally afflicted children of Satan . . .and nooo problems. But if the sodomites report you because you used the word “pack”, then ” pack” is made a trigger word and your post is censored even if it was completely inoffensive.

  • Chris

    they boycotted because that is their right. I didn’t boycott Chicken-Fil-A, they did nothing wrong by expressing their opinion. They don’t deny employment , goods and services to anyone. Not sure what point you are trying to make.

  • ScaryLogic

    Mmmm, but he turned around and painted a tree for someone else.

  • ScaryLogic

    But I’m sure you would have supported it if he did.

  • ScaryLogic

    “You sodomites”? I don’t see where you’re getting that.

  • Lin

    And someone can be born mentally retarded . . doesn’t mean that they have a right to carry a gun, or get married and have kids, drive automobiles, etc.. And someone can be born a rapist, murderer, a pedophile, etc. . . .doesn’t mean that we have to make those things legal and give them special rights and status. Take a moment to think about it.

  • Chris

    Look, I’m not gay and I haven’t tried to discredit Christianity once, nor would I ever. Christians are protected by the rights of religious freedom. What I disagree with is any religion trying to create laws based on their beliefs. You wouldn’t want another religion making laws based on their beliefs would you? The constitution is designed to protect the minority, it is not designed for the majority to make laws to oppress them with.

  • Anonymous

    I disagree with you on this one. The Baker is not refusing his services to anyone. He does not offer the service of making cakes for illegal activities. If I own a nursery and sell plants, should i be forced to grow and sell marijuana to those who want it? Even if the state allows growing pot for medicinal purposes? How about if someone had just shot their neighbor for having noisy kids and they walk into the bakery and demand a cake so that they can celebrate the death of a lousy neighbor? Should that baker have to bake a cake for that?
    I think the key here is that gay marriage is illegal in CO and so why should the baker have to support illegal activities, and more importantly, why is a state panel and any court supporting illegal activities? Even if the marriage took place in another state, it is not recognized here.
    Gay mafia is the term that comes to mind here.

  • ScaryLogic

    Ah, yes, the conjecture based, slippery slope argument.

    And how could I not see that someone being brutally murdered is the same as a cake for a same sex couple? You’re SO RIGHT.

    /sarcasm

  • Lin

    Not rational, Chrissy. Every normal person knows there’s no rational thinking in the mental affliction of homosexuality . . .sodomites act on urges and instinct.

  • ScaryLogic

    So, in your HIGHLY educated mind, gay people are the same as retards, and pedophiles?

  • Anonymous

    No!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be his right. You don’t understand freedom. As objectionable as it might be to you, go somewhere else to buy your shark painting and let the man have is freedom to run his business as he wants, with in the law. The free marketplace will deal with him by buying, or not, his product. If enough support him, he stays in business. Of course a liberal extremest will want to force their opinion on this man and make them do what they feel the painter should do. It’s is sickening really.

  • Anonymous

    Or he is refusing to support illegal activities in his state.

  • Lin

    SlllyLogic, I didn’t say anything about murdering anybody . . .its just a cake for a party . . .doesn’t mean any one will go out and bash sodomites . . .it’s “make believe”, like your make believe same sex marriage.

  • Lin

    Get a dictionary.

  • John

    It is up to God to judge gays and lesbians. Not this silly Baker. Maybe I don’t like black people or people with red hair. Maybe I won’t bake them any cakes.

  • Anonymous

    You won’t find it because the media won’t cover it. Just like they don’t cover justified shootings in self defense, just about any hate crime against christians, white people, especially white males, acts of discrimination from minorities against whites, or asians (who are considered white). I did once see a story about a gang of angry gay youth that were known for instigating violence towards heterosexuals (wish I could put a reference here but it was long ago, before the media was completely useless in this kind of thing, and the story took place in SLC, Utah, of all places.) The point is that it happens and the way to deal with it is to go somewhere else and buy what you want; don’t support the businesses that you don”t want to. It’s simple.

  • ScaryLogic

    Why?

  • ScaryLogic

    So, using the “thought process” of your own analogy, you should be fine with it, since it is make believe right?

    And I see what you’re doing, and you can’t twist it because your line of reasoning is beyond flawed.

    I’ve said in another article, that I don’t support this life style, however, it is nearly impossible to argue against it from a legal standpoint.

    All you’re doing is creating grossly exaggerated hypotheticals and saying “see, this would be fine right?” Come on now.

  • Lin

    He painted a different tree than what the sodomites wanted; he would painted them a tree but they wanted a sodomite tree and he doesn’t paint sodomite tree . . .so the normal thing to do would have been for the sodomites to go find an artist in the phone book who paints sodomite trees. A mechanic who works on foreign cars can’t be forced to work on American cars.

  • Anonymous

    I have never been to a Chic-Fil-A. I tried three times and the wait was way too long. The last one was next to a In-n-out in Fresno, Ca and so I took my family to in-n-out where the line was less than a 30 minute wait. Someday the gay extremists (vs.just normal everyday gays who don’t want to force their beliefs on anybody, because I know several and they are not like this) will wise up and stop supporting these businesses with their vile hate. Way to go Chic-fil-A. I am sure that the baker in Colorado, Mr. Phillips, is busier than ever.

  • John

    Instead of worrying about baking fairy cakes for gays maybe you lot should spend more time worrying about the dangers of radical islam and that little thing called 9/11.
    Just an idea, call me crazy…..

  • Lin

    Silly, it’s his right . . .but I’m sure you would have been a customer for that monkey dung cake since sodomites enjoy playing in dung.

  • ScaryLogic

    Once again, I’m not gay. You just make yourself sound really ignorant and small every time you make an assumption in lieu of an actual counter-point.

    I could easily do the same using exaggerated christian and religious stereotypes, but I’ll be the bigger person.

  • Anonymous

    A simple Internet search of this subject would have saved you from that lie of yours. Take the time next time to go look before you speak. True, it is not as prevalent because the media usually won’t cover these things.

  • Lin

    Lol . . .”unrealistic situations” . . .lol lol you mean like the counterfeit make believe same sex marriage????

  • Lin

    Sounds good to me . . .

  • Bob Moody

    I hope he gets the support he needs to stand against this attempt to rule his life.

  • Lin

    You’re the simpleton, Chrissy . . . adultery , swinging, wife swapping, are Not illegal; so you be OK with making these people a special class of people . . .letting them inter-marry . . .government promoting and sanctioning their lifestyle . . .schools teaching little children that those lifestyles are normal, in the name of “tolerance and anti- bigotry”, forcing Christians to bake a celabratory cake with many figures on top fornicating . . .????
    Remember when sodomy was illegal?????when homosexuality was on the APA’s list of mental afflictions until you sodomites bullied and intimidated APA and forced them to take it off the list???

  • Chris

    I wasn’t claiming to be stating a fact, it was my opinion. I said ” I’m pretty sure” not “I know for a fact”. Besides, if a gay business owner did deny services to a straight person simply because they were straight, it would be wrong.

  • Lin

    Sodomy is not illegal . . .even if Christians consider it a sin. . .you can practice your perversion legally all you want in your bedroom . . .it’ s a totally different story when you expect . . .no, demand . . .society and esp. Christians to condone, accept, legitimize your perversion . . .when you demand that your perversion be treated as something special and to be admired and celebrated and to be taught to school children . . . no, go ahead and bang away in your bedroom, it’s legal. All that other garbage is not acceptable in a civilized society.

  • John

    The gays are stupid for even wanting one of his stupid cakes. I have a solution.
    The man can’t process the existence of gays and lesbians and so he shouldn’t have to. Take pity on him. How he manages to survive in the real world I don’t know.
    The gays and lesbian should steer clear of his store.

  • Lin

    Let’s try again Chris . . .the sodomites tried to boycott Chick-fil-a because their Christian belief is that sodomy is a sin and marriage is between a man and a woman . . .not because Chick-fil-a refused to serve gays or fired people for being gay or refused to hire gays or went bashing or harassing gays or put up anti-gay signs in their stores . . .no, they tried to boycott Chick-fil-a because the gays wanted the owners to change their Christian beliefs or not express their Christian beliefs . . .something that is much more explicitly and clearly protected by the Constitution than “gay rights to same sex marriage”. Take as much time needed to think about this . . .get someone to help you and the logics of it should be clear.

  • Lin

    Christians aren’t trying to pass laws making sodomy illegal; the Christians belief is that sodomy is a sin . . .along with all forms of adultery . . .and that marriage is between one man and one woman. . and Christians will express that belief . . .and you’re correct , all protected by the First Amendment. Sodomites want Christians to change their beliefs and to stop expressing their beliefs and to promote their lifestyle to school children and to force society to accept their lifestyle and to be treated as a special class of people with special previledges not at all addressed in the Constitution. We all have equal rights, but not all created equal. That’s why some of us can p standing up and some have to sit to p.

  • Lin

    I didn’t say that . . .you did . . .and for once you make sense.
    Thanks for noticing my “highly educated” mind , but its more a mind trained in critical, rational and logical thinking. If my mind was “highly educated”, I’d most probably be babbling some nonsense like you babble.

  • Lin

    Sorry, I forgot that you have limits . . .so go around and ask people what a dictionary is for . . .and how to get one and how to use one and how to look up sodomy . Take it slow and one step at a time so you don’t put a strain on your lobotomized brain.

  • Lin

    Never said that you’re a sodomite . . .but it makes me wonder . . if you have to make it a point to deny being one . . . .

  • ScaryLogic

    No you did, now you’re back pedaling with a really weak retort. Sad

  • ScaryLogic

    Does it make yourself feel better to upvote your own posts?

    Anyway, I asked “why” not because you said “You sodomites” and asked where are you getting that.

    I suppose you thought I wanted the definition?

  • ScaryLogic

    You really are grasping at straws aren’t you?

    So if they aren’t the same, then why would you draw that comparison? Please keep back pedaling, and upvoting your own posts.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    2. Really? So, how do you feel about…
    a. Mark 8-12: These passages in the Gospel state that any man or woman who divorces their spouse and marries another is committing adultery. How do treat divorces men and women?
    b. 1 Timothy 2:9: States that women should not wear gold or pearls. Do you rip necklaces from women you pass by on the street?
    c.Deuteronomy 23 1-2: States no illegitimate child, nor any of their descendants, shall enter the house of Lord. So, do you stand guard at your church’s front doors conducting back ground checks and turning away those who don’t meet these standards?
    Gosh, it wasn’t difficult at all to prove you wrong. There are plenty more if you’d like to continue your winless argument.

  • Brian Juntunen

    That couple was not even from Colorado. They targeted a Christian on purpose in order to move the gay agenda forward. They are smart, but wicked.

  • kate

    Let me get this straight….gay marriage is against the law in his state, and HE is breaking the law by not making a cake to commemorate AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY?? Wow.

  • JP

    It seems reasonable to take the position that it is the government that is being unrealistic to begin with. How’s that for a rational argument?

  • JP

    Find another baker and move on…

  • JP

    That’s right… and if you resist you will be retrained.

  • JP

    It has everything to do with the government control of everything. This man is being forced to do something he doesn’t want to do because somebody’s feelings were hurt. Not only that… it has been deemed necessary that he attend brainwashing sessions. Where are we going here?

  • JP

    What “majority” are you talking about? The 2% of the population that is gay?

  • JP

    Speaking of 3 year olds… It is held by many that children in gay “families” can be harmed by the absence of a Mother and a Father. Your claim that gay marriage is harmless is tenuous at best.

  • Anonymous

    It is more a question of language and the perversion of it. Marriage has always meant a certain sacred union between a man and woman. Language is something important to society and isn’t something I feel should be “up for grabs”. If same sex couples wish to engage i recognised civil unions then I say fine, let not the state interfere. Just don’t call it marriage becuase it’s not that.

    You see there are other practical ways reconcilling these differences without perturbing everyone. The gays can reap the benefits even if the people that don’t condone their lifestyles can at be tolerant. When homosexuals co-opt the word marriage, they demand acceptance not toleration and it is this arrogant attitude that will keep the rift going. Same sex couples can pretend to be married by getting a peice of paper but the only people they’re fooling is themeselves and POing most other people in the prosses.

    You see there are many complex issues involved regarding where a person stands on a controversy and it doesn’t make things clearer to paint with to broad a brush.

  • Anonymous

    Most people including [but not exclusive of] Christians have the attitude that same seks relations are abnormal and wrong; test…how many people hope for LGTB children? Therefore it isn’t merely a sln issue, even though Christians regard it as such, almost all detractors see it as a moral one; therein lyes the difference. I believe same seks relations are a sln but apart from that even before I was a Christian I regarded same seks relations as wrong, although I didn’t call it s!n at that time

  • Anonymous

    Look at my comment above. I had to pull a few tricks to get it by the DA moderators. You’ll see the words I had to doctor to make it work. Simply ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Legislators make laws within the framework of the Constitution and supposedly with societies best interest at heart

  • Anonymous

    The legislature proposes laws within the framework of the contus and supposedly with societies best interest in mind.

  • Anonymous

    congress proposes rules supposedly with the citizens best interest in mind.

  • Anonymous

    Words changed to escape moderation include legislature, constitution, heart, and gay. plus a few others that are equally innocent.

  • Joe Lineman

    It’s time to hang the judges in this country.

  • Anonymous

    So how did the baker even know they were a gay couple in the first place, unless they flaunted it, which they obviously did in order to try and force the baker to acknowledge that he accepted the belief that their deviant behavior was normal.. Besides, there must be a hundred or more bakers they could have gone to instead, or for that matter, they could have made their own damn cake using a Betty Crocker mix. Personally, if I was them, I wouldn’t even eat a cake made by that baker for fear that he might deliberately put something undesireable in it. Give your heads a shake, people and devote your energy complaining about something important…like the President of the US trading a deserter for hard core terrorists..

  • Anonymous

    How do you know if a person is gay or not, unless they deliberately declared themselves as such? Try getting into an abortion clinic while wearing a pro-life tee shirt and see how far you get.

  • Anonymous

    So, I take that to mean that everywhere you gays go, you wear a sign saying, “I’m gay”. Must be, because the last time I checked, there is no way to know someone is gay just by looking at them. Obama is a classic example.

  • Anonymous

    Say what? What right does the Civil Rights Commission have to set prices? If that’s the case, then people should have the right to say that the cost of Obamacare is gouging.

  • Anonymous

    Using your logic, anyone should be allowed to order a sign from a sign maker, saying anything they want and the sign maker must make it and for the price which the buyer considers to be fair. That is a double edged sword, my friend.

  • tinsldr2

    The store sells wedding cakes. That was why the couple went their to buy a wedding cake.
    a wedding cake, is a style of cake. it does not need to be eaten at a wedding to be considered a wedding cake
    I could buy one and eat it at my house , that is the point

  • tinsldr2

    Albert , I have no clue what you are talking about or what your point is.
    Are you somehow equating murdering babies with buying a cake?

  • tinsldr2

    Oh I see your confusion. I am not gay. I have been married o my wife since June 12 1987 (anniversary in a few days) and we have a great son.
    Other then that I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

  • tinsldr2

    That does not logically follow my post at all. But if you sell one person a sign that says Eat more Chicken, you could not refuse to sell another person the same sign in CO just because the other person is gay.
    I personally don’t like that law and you should be able to be as bigoted as you want, but I merely point out what the law IS and not what it should be,

  • tinsldr2

    eating cake is illegal?

  • tinsldr2

    What nonsense are you spouting off here? Since when is buying or eating cake illegal? Since when is having a reception with your friends and family illegal?
    The wedding in the other state was legal, and the reception was legal.
    then you try and compare it to illegal activities. Why? What is the connection?
    The only activity that violated CO law was that of the bakers.
    But you make MY point when you admit that the baker was not taking part in a wedding.

  • tinsldr2

    You have posted the same nonsense essentially several times.
    If the couple went together to get a cake, and said it was for their wedding don’t you think the baker would know? If just one went in and said he was marrying his husband named Steve in another state and wanted a cake for a reception don’t you think the baker would know?
    They went in and asked for a wedding cake. They were told by the baker he would not sell them one because they were a same sex couple. They went elsewhere and got a cake.
    They reported the baker to a state agency for violating state business law. The State fined the baker, the baker protested the fine in court and lost and now another state Agency has mandated they receive training in state law dealing with equal treatment of customers

  • John Scott

    What surprises me is that any gay person would even want to force someone to provide a service that they don’t want to? My thought is, just find someone who is willing to do so. If I am not welcome somewhere in a business, I just don’t do business with that place. I credit this business owner with sticking with his conviction.

  • John Scott

    The big deal is gays feel empowered by some recent victories in their lifestyle and feel they can now force people to accept them. I think its the wrong way to get accepted, and I do not feel the majority of gays are supportive of this. I may be wrong, but most gays probably don’t want confrontation any more then anyone else especially for a wedding.

  • Chris

    Right now, the majority are Christians and those that oppose gay marriage. Read it again..and more slowly this time.

  • Chris

    Yeah, lets kill people. That will solve the worlds problems. Way to contribute something worthwhile to the conversation, Joe.

  • Chris

    He’s not breaking the law by not making a cake, that’s dumb. He’s breaking the law by discriminating. He wouldn’t be breaking the law had he just made the cake and moved on. Now, we can all argue that the couple should have just moved on as well once the shop owner voiced his opinion and purchased a cake else where. They instead decided to call him out on discrimination, which by LAW, they can.

  • Chris

    They were married in Massachusetts and were planning to have a reception in Colorado. I highly doubt this was some elaborate scheme to get a Christian in trouble. The guy probably makes damn good cakes and they wanted one. He no longer makes wedding cakes for anyone now so he doesn’t have to discriminate, good for him.

  • Chris

    I agree JP. They want to hold this shop owner accountable for his discrimination when they themselves discriminate when it comes to marriage.

  • Chris

    So your basically saying that Rosa Parks should have just gotten off that bus and waited for one that allowed her to sit where she pleased?

  • John Scott

    You are mixing racism and segregation with a business owner who simply refused a customer who had a lifestyle they did not agree with. Its like no shoes, no shirt no service. This was not a common happening and yet even you treat it as Black segregation. Sorry the comparison is not even close. Black segregation was not because of a religious conviction. It was about slavery and using a race as slaves. Gays are not repressed, or slaves. Seriously, read up on segregation and then tell me a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is the same.

  • Chris

    I’m not mixing anything. Slavery was abolished long before Rosa Parks, yet simple minded people just didn’t like black people for whatever reason and discriminated against them unfairly. Same goes for this couple and they are actually protected by discrimination laws, unlike Rosa Parks. If they want to see the end of discrimination, then they need to stand up for their rights and not just move on and let this guy break the law. Regardless of his beliefs, if he wants to run and operate a business, he has to be prepared to cater to everyone, not just people that aren’t gay.

  • John Scott

    Sorry your dreaming of a Utopia that will never happen. People in business refuse to do business all the time. Sure, they don’t come out and say its because they are Black, or Indian, or because they are gay or lesbian. Maybe they just don’t like the person. Of course the business makes up some excuse like they don’t do that, or they are too busy and rarely are honest like this baker. You seem destine for disappointment as a perfect non discrimination world is in you world. It will never happen. As I said, this is by far over blown by the gay community and they act like discrimination is something only they feel. Get over it and move on. Being obsessed that everyone will accept you and treat you equally is such a joke. Try going to some Countries where being gay is out lawed. Then tell me the US is not progressive. To be progressive does not mean automatic acceptance from everyone. Even if gays garner some satisfaction from making a statement about this baker refusing service. It does little to change his or anyone else’s beliefs on what marriage is to them. As with Rosa Parks if you think laws will change people’s convictions on gays I think again your dreaming.

  • Chris

    I know that a Utopia is, for the most part, unreachable and I can accept that. I can also accept that people are going to not like other people because of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I also believe that all people should be afforded the same rights as everyone else regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. The progress our country has made in civil rights has not been due to people just turning the other cheek and moving on. The progress has been made by people standing up for their rights. It is possible to treat everyone fairly and still have different beliefs. This issue may seem over blown if you look at it as an issue about cake. Its not about Cake, its about every American having the right to walk into a business in Colorado and buy goods and services without being discriminated against.

  • John

    Is it just me or is this whole issue nuts ?