Glenn on ISIS: This is the greatest evil we have seen since the 1930s

A new map illustrating the growing power of ISIS shows the militant group has made inroads beyond Iraq and Syria into Jordan and even Iran. On radio this morning, Glenn referred to ISIS as the “greatest evil” the world has seen since the 1930s and questioned whether the Obama Administration sufficiently understands the threat of a caliphate.

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While the world has witnessed various humanitarian atrocities and genocides in the last century, Glenn believes the tactics of ISIS make them a unique kind of evil.

“This is the greatest evil I think we have seen since the 1930s. I don’t know of a greater evil than this that is so clear,” Glenn said. “When China was evil and just shooting people in the head, when you see what’s happening over in North Korea, you have to get the drawings out of that. The only reason we know about the camps is because survivors escape and then they draw. There’s no pictures.”

“[In this case], not only are we seeing pictures, they are taking the pictures,” he continued. “It’s not like we went over with a hidden camera. They are the ones taking them and putting them up on Twitter [and] Facebook and saying, ‘Look at us!’”

When you look at the map of ISIS presence and control, it paints an even more frightening picture:

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“They’re all over – with control in parts of Jordan, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran,” Glenn said. “That’s not some little thing. That is the beginning of the caliphate… And there’s more of this coming.

Glenn found himself particularly frustrated by what feels like a lack of urgency or even understanding from the Obama Administration.

As Media Matters has pointed out time and time again, Glenn began talking about the threat of a caliphate several years ago. In 2011, the George Soros-funded group criticized Glenn for talking about the topic. All the while, on June 29, 2011, now-CIA director John Brennan had this to say about the caliphate:

“Our strategy is … shaped by a deeper understanding of al Qaeda’s goals, strategy, and tactics. I’m not talking about al Qaeda’s grandiose vision of global domination through a violent Islamic caliphate. That vision is absurd, and we are not going to organize our counterterrorism policies against a feckless delusion that is never going to happen. We are not going to elevate these thugs and their murderous aspirations into something larger than they are.”

“Nobody in Congress is saying, ‘Hey, John Brennan said this. He was so wrong… and our intelligence community was this wrong,’” Glenn concluded. “And I got news for you: There’s no way our intelligence community didn’t know this. I know people who were former intelligence… They are not dummies… You could see these things coming on the horizon for a million miles. [So] why did we purposefully choose to close our eyes to a caliphate?”

Front page image courtesy of the AP

  • landofaahs

    I disagree Glenn. Liberalism and atheism are the greatest evil we have faced because had we remained a relatively strong Christian nation with the Christian ethics, we would not be in the shape we are in. We have thrown God out of the government and we reap the whirlwind for our decision.

    • Jeff Lambeau

      God was never in government dumbnuts. That’s why we have the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. Also, no dictator has ever murdered people in the name of “athiesm”. Thousands of Christians and Muslims have murdered people in the name of their religion.

      • Sheri Honea

        Actually Jeff, Hitler was an athiest.

        • Jeff Lambeau

          I speaking more on the American’s genocide against Native Americans and the Spanish genocide of Incas and Aztecs in the name of ‘Manifest Destiny’ as well as the Crusades.

          But Hitler, even if he denounced the Catholic Church, never officially left it, and did not kill in the name of “Athiesm”. He killed in the name of wanting to build a master race of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people. Even if you were atheist, if you were not part of his vision of a master-race, you’d be killed (i.e. he killed atheist Soviets in concentration camps as well).

          • julieacp1

            Hitler’s ideologues Goebbels, Himmler, Rosenberg and Bormann hoped to de-Christianize Germany, or at least distort its theology to their point of view.The regime moved to close all Catholic institutions. Catholic schools were shut by 1939. From 1940, the Nazis gathered priest in dedicated clergy barracks at Dachau, where (95%) of its 2,720 inmates were Catholic (mostly Poles, and 411 Germans), 1034 died there.

          • Ron Pinson

            As any country does with Religion .. twists it distorts it to fit their agenda ..

          • nascar521

            Really Jeff, you want to bicker as to whether it’s in the “name of Athiesm” or not. Fact is, you take God out of the picture from a regime and you can count 100’s of millions murdered… are we really going to bicker over who it is in the name of…..

          • Jeff Lambeau

            So are you saying that when you put God into a regime everything is hunky dory? Really?

          • Wayne Bursch

            Perhaps I should put my faith in Jeff and his philosophy, as that would make everything hunky dory. No one believing in anything other than what their own mind conjures up. Jeff, your only point really consists of if is that “you” do not believe in God, and that anyone who does is condemned by their actions of countries claiming to be Christian. Of course countries are not religious but only the people, and sometimes the leaders are less religious and more hunky dorey with their own thoughts of power. Ok, so no big deal if you don’t believe in God. I take it your own life is perfect, and that is great to hear. So, share some wisdom rather than condemnation of us simple minded people might be impressed by your God like stature in life. Or do Atheists not wish well for us mindless or limited people?

          • Wayne Bursch

            Did think about the entry here from you. You are exactly one of the reasons and type of people as to why the USA will not come together, as you condemn all Christians for things that they did not do, and for what history shows others did. Congrats, let us hope your genealogy is so pure that none were vile Christians.

          • http://spsrchaplain.org Ward Clinton

            Hitler only pretended to be part of the Catholic Church in order to destroy it. He was strongly Anti-Christian/Anti-God, idolizing Neitzche and his tactics for fighting against God and all people who followed the God of Abraham.

          • alex

            When did Nietzsche fight against God? Have you read any Nietzsche?

        • ryn aand

          Incorrect, he was an Occultist.

          • Tim F

            What’s that?

        • jim

          Actually

      • lochness

        No dictator ever murdered in the name of atheism?? Go look up Josef Stalin and find out how many people he killed because they worshipped something other than The State.

        • Jeff Lambeau

          That’s not killing in the name of Atheism. That’s killing in the name of the STATE. Btw, Joseph Stalin killed a whole bunch of Atheists as well.

          • lochness

            It’s the same thing. If there is no God then YOU are God and you get to kill all of the “imperfect” people.

          • Jeff Lambeau

            It’s not the same thing. Atheists do not believe that a person is ‘God’ either… practically the opposite… Atheists believe a single human is insignificant in the grand scheme of the universe. Also, the one thing most Atheists despise is killing in the name of a belief… which is what religious radicals are experts at :)

          • lochness

            Wrong again. We are born with an innate search for God. Atheists choose to ignore it because that requires humility and acknowledgment of a moral power greater than themselves. Atheists replace God with something else. And those who are powerful enough kill the unfaithful.

          • Jeff Lambeau

            “acknowledgment of a moral power greater than themselves.”

            You’re telling an agnostic what’s right or wrong about his/her belief? That’s very typical of a religious person. Anyway, we do believe that there is a higher moral power… but it’s a natural power ruled through scientific observation, not some made up hocus-pocus speculation.

          • lochness

            It isn’t hocus pocus speculation to figure out that the rules of science have a divine author. Scientists don’t create. They just proofread. And yes, I am telling an agnostic what’s right or wrong. Why is it when it comes to math, science and language there can only be one answer and it must be accurate. But when it comes to morals it’s do what’s convenient and expedient?

          • Jeff Lambeau

            Well technically in science, there is a right answer until it’s proven wrong.

            Morals get tricky because they evolve and change over time. Back in the days of the Old Testament, stoning people to death for stealing or adultery was a well accepted practice, but as society evolves certain things are proven to be ‘morally repugnant’. To decide which should still be allowed and which should still be banned is a never-ending debate.

          • SS238

            The moral that adultery and stealing is wrong didn’t change. Society’s reaction to the wrong changed. The moral stayed the same. Adultery and stealing will always be wrong.

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          • Wayne Bursch

            Technically, it is “Theory” until proven wrong, which most things are. Even with the skills I have, I have been wrong before, and have been one of the top Computer Engineers in the world. So, let me see this perfect human brain that does know everything, or anything for that matter in complete understanding. Have gone to school with people who have perfect SATs, perfect scores and yet, they fail in life in so many ways… Perhaps, if they were God, they would be able to do better. But, see, technically, you were wrong about such a simple statement as accepted scientific proofs and understandings of theory.

          • Wayne Bursch

            Actually, moral values did not change in Christians. Only the punishment within society changed.

          • jobird

            I believe with my whole heart that when you leave this earth
            and meet God what will you say?He loves science as He created it.So much for your hocus-pocus speculation.

          • shimdo

            I guess it’s because I’m Christain and always have been, I just don’t get, nor understand how anyone can’t look at the marvel of the world and how God made it and not see God’s wonder all around. This world wasn’t just hanging in the air, waiting for some one to net catch it and save it. It was hand madethe Lord, creator

          • Wayne Bursch

            Hocus pocus… Well, I can see you and I should have a discussion on science, and of course the lack of scientific understanding in all areas…. Most science in fact is theory at this point. Do you understand the world even, this little ball of life ? No, they don’t and lawsuits every day show that. Do they understand the stars and the universe ? No, and all have to admit that it is merely conjecture and theory. You believe in yourself ? You believe that everything just happened? Then why does everything have a mathematical equation that describes it ? Chaos does not serve well as the master of such creation. Believe in yourself, and since that must make you perfect, let me test your understanding of science in those I have Masters in… Smart guy, why does electricity take 12 volts at 32 milliamps to kill you? But, see, there is math that works that out…. I prefer to think that you are not the intelligence that serves anyone well, rather than that God does not exist. I will take my chances with God, rather than you any day.

          • al

            How can you have a scientific observation from something tha came to be before science ? that’ sounds ludicrous at best I mean science had to come from something right, our human complex bodies weren’t designed by themselves, and the thought of “Darwinsm” has been proven wrong so long ago
            A natural power doesn’t have conscious or a bran to design things as intricate as this universe

          • brucesat

            If you go back far enough you’ll see that polytheism, and then monotheism was the first steps in replacing god with self. First, you take the idea of God, which did not have human embodiment, then you give it human form. Many latent civilizations did this, wherein you take aspects of the natural world, which have always been worshiped, and make them into being with human attributes. Monotheism, or your God, is the ultimate transformation of self into god. We no longer see divinity in the natural world, but only in a mental projection of ourselves as god. What we are seeing now is a transformation of this self-worship into a pure form. We no longer see god as self existing outside of self, imposing limits, but self as all there is. I see this as the inevitable result of consumerism, where we elevate the feeding of desires to the level of religious devotion.

          • shimdo

            Yes, lochness. Your saying it right

          • pb

            You said it: “Religious RADICALS”. The same as any other group that becomes radicalized. The problem is that none of these groups rein in the radicals. We, with separation of church and state, have had a heavy influence of Christian Values. No it is not in our government, but the conscience of our founding fathers..

          • Jeff Lambeau

            “We, with separation of church and state, have had a heavy influence of Christian Values. No it is not in our government, but the conscience of our founding fathers..”

            Yes, I agree with that. I was just saying we should never ‘establish’ it. If it is used as inspiration for giving people individual liberties, that’s all well and good.

          • nohea

            Jeff, who/what set up this grand scheme? Non-God?

          • Gwen bain

            Lack of belief in our Creator creates a vacuum, a need to come up with answers to questions such as, “then how did we get here” and “what happens to us when we die” and “then who gets to decide the difference between right and wrong”. The result is a plethora of theories and religions who attempt to come up with answers. This is humanism in all our ridiculous attempts to pretend we are omniscient and omnipotent.

          • jim

            Religion

          • shimdo

            We all question our surroundings at times. It’s the human nature of us, but it’s the how did he do it, that blows your mind at times because we don’t see and get it. It’s called wonder and faith

          • shimdo

            If not God, who then????????

          • Wayne Bursch

            Actually, it is. You seem to think that the Christians killed people throughout history in the name of God. Well, how about the World Wars? You of course hating God is not new, and many do and so they claim that when you do it such as Stalin or Mao or in history as the Mongols where the goal is strictly state that does not count. You dismiss all things such as Rwanda where hundreds of thousands were killed not for religion, but particular tribal reasons.

          • Susan Goss

            I always like starting a discussion with “Well”, just because I am not sure how or where all this began or where it will end… so just thinking about atheists, can they hate God if they don’t believe in God? Does the Creator like those of so called Christendom? Did God denounce his beloved nation of Isreal for worshiping foreign gods who sacrificed their children to Baal? Did Jesus denounce the religious leaders in his day for making a mockery of God’s moral code? Do atheists hate man then? Has religion today profaned God and that is why there are so many atheists? Sad? Should we ask these tough questions? As Pilate said to Jesus, What is truth? Let each man answer for himself. Read some articles from Issac Newton on the subject of God, science and philosophy. Interesting. Can man stand on a mountain and see everything? Can man perceive his true potential? Our own brains could fathom so much more, so why do we limit ourselves to just an earthly organizism. Did we inherit this unique and awesome machine as a mire accident or as a wonderful gift? Can man live the way our Creator intended and do we accept his challenge to live among the stars as a moral, ethical creation or be turned into dust from the earth we were formed.

          • shimdo

            Well said. I am a Christain and I’ve ask those same questions before and God understands. We, in our finite mind, can’t comprehend it. We are not mentaly build for that. Again it’s trust and faith and as I sit outside sometimes and just marvel at the stars and moon. I have to shake myself loose, beyond me

          • Doyen

            Whatever is your most important motivator in your life is your God, Jeff.

          • al

            These are not religious radicals but ideologs like president OB

          • shimdo

            In the past it was the Jews now it’s anyone proclaiming a Christain, whole different thing

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Mao North Korea who made nice little death camps for Christians all in the name of atheism.

          • jackw97224

            The fact that Stalin was an antheist and he ordered the murders of 10s of thousands and their belief systems are not relevant. You have registered a non-squitur.

      • Shoathree

        Atheism is more dangerous than religion because atheists like Adolf Hitler killed millions in the name of their atheistic ideologies like Nazism. That’s far more than have been killed in the name of religion.

        • Jeff Lambeau

          “Adolf Hitler killed millions in the name of their atheistic ideologies like Nazism.”

          That’s not an atheistic ideology. That’s a political ideology.

          “That’s far more than have been killed in the name of religion.”

          Actually, the Crusades, coupled with the Ottoman Turks genocide in Armenia and the Conquest of the Americas by the Spanish and English all in the name of “MANIFEST DESTINY” outnumber all death tolls by Hitler, Stalin, and Mao put together.

          • Shoathree

            Give it up. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

          • Jeff Lambeau

            So you’re not disagreeing with my second point. Good. Glad we could come to an understanding.

          • Wayne Bursch

            They are the same by your measurements of who killed who. You do not separate the quantity of Christians in a country with Christians killing others in wars. So, you must use the same measurement throughout your messages. That being so, they are both political and ideological and utilized within a single entity. Guess, that does disagree with your second point.

          • Fabian Gjerazi

            mao and stalin combined for 60 milion deaths.Conquest of americas caused 15 milion deaths.The ottomans and crusades are below 7 milion each.So even if we count ottomans and crusades at 7 milion each the death toll comes to 29 milion. Notice that iI’m not counting hitler and another hanfull of red dictators and still you are way off on your claimes.

          • alex

            Hitler and Stalin didn’t kill in the name of Atheism, they killed in the name of the State.Atheism isn’t the problem here, abolish the state.

          • Darron DeSantis

            Anarchy, as you advocate, has never worked. Check the records of world-history as clear proof or evidence. Also, hateful philosophies and individuals are always to blame behind corrupt states. You might want to abide by, heed, or learn the age-old wisdom of the proverb or phrase, “don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater”.

          • alex

            Anarchy has never worked? I should check world history? There are plenty of historical instances of anarchy working:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
            http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionA5
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
            Also, how is atheism hateful? I don’t believe in God, but I don’t hate anyone. In fact, most hate that I see in the world is religiously fueled. Hitler wasn’t even an Atheist, he was an occultist. Stalin on the other hand killed in the name of the state, not in the name of Atheism. I’m not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, the crusades, the inquisition, the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, ISIS attacking Israel, all of these things are done in the name of religion.

          • Wayne Bursch

            Thank you for doing the very simple math that apparently cannot be done by Atheists.

          • http://spsrchaplain.org Ward Clinton

            You’re clueless about the Crusades too. Islamic aggression caused the pushback.

          • Wayne Bursch

            Guess you failed math also. Suggest you look up the listed deaths in those countries. Now, you are either getting very close to misrepresentation of truth, or you have begun lying.

            Even this would show that is not the truth:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll

      • Ed Rawles

        Spare us the bologna, godly men were a part of the government for most of our history. Men and women not keeping gods laws while they are governing are a big part of our current problem. I’m sure I speak for a lot of us when I ask you to kindly take your atheistic gobbledygook to a atheist site. Christians (the majority of America) believe in a loving God, Muslims have a slightly different believe system where you will need to convert to Islam or die. You on the other hand have no belief system. So you won’t” get it” until it’s too late.

        • Jeff Lambeau

          “You on the other hand have no belief system.”

          Actually, my belief system is that everyone should be able to interpret the meaning of life and the universe however they want to without shoving their belief down other people’s throats. I’d say that’s fair enough.

          • alex

            Don’t argue with them. They’re just going to call you names and say your beliefs are stupid without offering any evidence for their own.

          • jobird

            I see no one shoving their belief on to you.It’s called Free Will,
            believe what you will and we who believe in our God will do the same.

          • jim

            hmmm

          • olf

            Yes if you want to live along side us that want to abide in a civil society. Civil society is only possible with the laws of the universe and those laws were written by the creator of the universe. Please abide in peace. you will lean the truth some day. Maybe too late. God Loves you even if you reject Him. He is a gentleman.

          • Wayne Bursch

            Yes, but, you of course know more than us simple beings that see other views than yourself. You have made plain, your disdain of us with a belief system. So, what would be fair is that you not force others to believe that their is no God. Simple enough for you?

          • Ed Rawles

            No Jeff I do have a belief system as a Christian, on the other hand you as an atheist don’t,and as for shoving religion down your throat, you entered into a religious discussion of your own free will.

        • Ron Pinson

          I cant believe how STUPID your remark is Ed .. he has as much right to express his OPINION as you do .. You’re the type of Christian that is a GIANT problem with America .. INTOLERANCE is wrong ..

          • Ed Rawles

            Ron you must be an atheist, so I would suggest to you to save your intolerance speech for the Muslims since you too have no idea what your talking about! You atheists commenting on religion is ridiculous, you have no belief in a higher power why would you care about what Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindi’ s or any other religions think or say.

        • olf

          Well said Sir.

      • Fabian Gjerazi

        Really Jeff???? Have you heard of Hitler, Stalin, Mao,Pol Pot???

      • box-bb-car

        Actually God was in government, and very prominent in many of the sates at the onset. The Establishment clause does not exclude religion from government, but prevents the government from establishing an official ‘state’ religion. The supreme court ruling was based not off the constitution but rather off of a letter from Jefferson to a group of Baptist ministers in which the ‘wall of separation’ was coined. In fact, church services were held in government buildings at the time that Jefferson penned that letter. The situation we have now is a defacto support of the government for atheism, which is a religious belief, albeit a negative one.

      • Roy

        You do realize that the so called establishment clause that all the atheists are harping on now was included for the sole purpose of preventing a church of America since so many had come to America to get away from the church of England right? also the founding fathers relied on the values in the judeao/christian religion for the endowed by the creator with certain inalienable rights

      • landofaahs

        No? Well Godly people were and it was recognized by any politician seeking election.

      • landofaahs

        Millions have been killed in the name of socialist dogma of “for the people” by stealing wealth and freedom from others.

      • Wayne Bursch

        So, you never have heard of China or Russia ? Perhaps your study of history is much more incomplete and why you do not understand separation is not the same as absence.

      • Snoopy

        I guess Stalin,Mau,PolPot,KimjungIll,??

      • Ranchman

        While we have never allowed a state sponsored religion, we had people in the past who were Godly themselves. We have no such commitment to the Lord today by our politicians in DC. We need to, each of us, repent and ask forgiveness for turning our backs on Him.

      • jean74

        God is everywhere and if we acknowledge him and turn to Him for guidance, we are empowered to be the kind of people He wants us to be. There have been people who called themselves Christians but to my mind they were not Christians or they did not get it that God is love. Previously the Inquisition and presently a small example the Westboro Baptist Church. They do not represent God. The way our nation has survived is it has been basically a Judeo Christian nation. We keep that separate from government because of the danger of radicals who would misinterpret scripture and use religion to dominate and take over. That doesn’t mean that politicians can’t pray or have a personal relationship with God who they ask to guide them. You might recall Hitler and Stalin who murdered in the name of their paranoia and evil.

      • jackw97224

        Well, no, the framers were mostly Chistians. And the mistake is that somehow people bought the lie that the constituion compelled future generations to behave. Of couse that was not true and Lysander Spooner made this clear in No Treason No. 6, The Constitution of No Authority and then Marc Stevens has demonstrated that the politicians, judges and other bureaucrats don’t have factual evidence that the constitution and laws apply to us just because we are in some geographica location. The Christians of whom you speak were not true Christians; they were CINOs Christians in Name Only or they could not have foughj ofesive wars. Islam preaches offensive war to destroy or convert other and that of course discredits those who buy that philosophy.

      • Tracey Hayes

        Christians have NOT murdered anyone. The Roman Catholic church conducted the crusades, NOT Christians!!!

      • Doyen

        You’ve obviously never read any of the journals of the founders of our country, have you, Jeff? God was very much in the birth of our nation and our government. The only thing that wasn’t was a state-sponsored religion.

    • Josh

      There is quite a discussion going on here, with many valid points from many different people from both sides; however, I think we can agree that genocide is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is committing it. Am I correct? Whether it is being committed by Muslims, Christians, Atheists, whoever it may be, Genocide is evil.

      Who is actively committing genocide today? The Islamic State. They are the greatest threat to western civilization whether you are Christian, Jew, Atheist, or even moderate Muslim.

      • landofaahs

        If we are attacked we should defeat our enemies until they surrender. If not we attack until they are gone. Nations have the right and duty to defend the people who belong to it.

        • http://www.luxferousproductions.com clepto

          you sound just like a muslim….

          • landofaahs

            I sound just like American’s in ww2 with out policy towards Japan; Unconditional surrender.

          • http://www.luxferousproductions.com clepto

            obviously a very worldly philosophy….

          • landofaahs

            God raises up Nations and establishes kingdoms and gives them authority to restrain evil. That is Biblical. Japanese and German governments were evil.

      • pfiffi43

        Finally someone who makes sense! We were trying to come to the conclusion that ISIS is evil now, at our point in time and not what happened 100 or more years ago. That picture can not be changed, but what is happening now needs to be changed now and very fast at that.

        • Josh

          Thanks pfiffi43. That’s exactly my point. What is the real threat, TODAY? The Islamic State. I think Glenn Beck is very much onto something when he says we need to keep partisan bickering out of the discussion and focus on common principles (i.e. genocide is always evil). Partisanship keeps us divided and that makes us weak and vulnerable. I would wager that everybody involved in this discussion thread values American principles, yet there is this useless discussion occurring that is dividing us.

    • brucesat

      For what its worth, that boat sailed many many many years go when the west embraced materialism. We, the United States, are a solidly materialist society, with urban areas moving more rapidly in that direction, and more rural areas moving more slowly. However, even now as mass media, through TV and the internet spreads to those agrarian areas we will see an acceleration of rural America embracing materialistic ideas. Our embrace of Democracy, Capitalism, Individualism, Consumerism, Technology, etc… all originate from materialistic ideas. Ironically, these are all the things that groups like ISIS want to reject and eliminate from their society. They reject materialism and by association, modern western culture.

      • brucesat

        Francis Schaeffer on materialism. 1982

        http://www.peopleforlife.org/francis.html

        “I want to say to you, those of you who are Christians or even if you are not a Christian and you are troubled about the direction that our society is going in, that we must not concentrate merely on the bits and pieces. But we must understand that all of these dilemmas come on the basis of moving from the Judeo-Christian world view — that the final reality is an infinite creator God — over into this other reality which is that the final reality is only energy or material in some mixture or form which has existed forever and which has taken its present shape by pure chance.”

        Schaeffer, and yourself, are in favor of putting that genie back into the bottle. My view is that we’re so far hopelessly out that we’re never going back. So, what do we do now?

        • pfiffi43

          We live as best we can, pick those entities which are helpful in a modern society and drop the rest. The average person lives in these days better than ever before. But, believing in nothing which is greater than you and me can only lead to destruction because the average person would do what pleases them. Without godly laws there is chaos.

          • brucesat

            thanks for your reply.

            What you are essentially saying, and I hear this response fairly often, is that there has to be some system of control, and the best system of control is one based on a god concept, utilizing the fear of damnation. You also claim that when people exercise their free will the result will be chaos, therefore free will must be dominated by this religious system of control.

            Now interestingly, you also state that people should believe in something greater than themselves, and I agree, but I call this purpose. I think people should feel a sense of purpose, and i lament that modern society usually fails to provide a purpose beyond, “get a job, make money and buy stuff.” Most of us are less concerned with finding a purpose than we are trying not to get crushed by the economic system.

            I tend to think that we should build a society where people are able to exercise their free will and find a sense of purpose that will guide their good actions. You seem to propose the opposite, which is a society that suppresses free will in favor of religious conformity so as to get people to act in ways that serve a social function.

          • pfiffi43

            I do not. A civil society needs laws, that is what I think. There needs to be a common denominator of some sort. If everyone lives and does what pleases them, then there will be chaos. But, you can think what you want. I am not writing my post to convince anyone, just stating my opinion on the matter. I would not want the church to tell me when to say my prayer, or how often, or if I can wear certain clothes etc. But, sometimes I think religion was invented to curb the inner beast which slumbers in most of us.

      • Jack Eck

        Religious zealots are annoying. I am Catholic and know plenty of atheists who behave as well or better than many people that share a belief in one God. The idea that someone can claim atheism is one of the greatest evils of our time (which is how this thread got started) shows how intolerant many of you so called christians really are. Just goes to show you many atheists and christians can both be intolerant jerks… Attacking Jeff for his belief system isn’t going to win him or really anyone over….

      • pfiffi43

        They reject everything which does not fit their agenda. They are stuck in a certain time and place where one group rules and the rest have to submit or be killed. I hope the West will wake up that there is no middle ground, no appeasement it is fight or die,

      • Wayne Bursch

        I do think you miss the real driver of their fanatic beliefs. The items you listed are what they use as justification, but, their belief in the return of the 12th Imam and it is just a man really drives what they do. They kill people not for watching TV or having a car, but so that great chaos will come and their savior, the devil will return.

    • Ron Pinson

      You dont have to be a Christian to have Morals and be Ethical ..

      • landofaahs

        You do to have the right ones.

        • http://www.luxferousproductions.com clepto

          that’s funny because i know atheists who have higher morals and ethical behavior than most christians i know..you must be one of the special christians….

          • landofaahs

            Who’s standards are you using. Anyway, I’m not a “special” Christian, I’m just like all the rest of them who are sinful and in need of salvation.

          • http://www.luxferousproductions.com clepto

            Whatever is progressive for human growth…

          • landofaahs

            According to who’s version of progress? Mine? If so I will agree. If not then I would disagree.

    • Rob Tweit

      Religion and blind faith have been blurring common sense for centuries!

      • landofaahs

        Atheism is totally blind faith. You have to believe the world created itself. Talk about blind.

    • http://lechaimontheright.com/ Samantha S.

      As a Christian conservative, I disagree. The only reason evils happens is because good men do nothing. Shame on more Christians for not speaking up.

      • zemla

        As a failed christian, shame on all of us when we don’t speak up, even when it sucks to do so (which, it usually does)

      • landofaahs

        Speaking up gets you nowhere. Unless it is backed by action it is worthless.

        • http://lechaimontheright.com/ Samantha S.

          True, but mostly false. Speaking up/out IS action. #SophieScholl #HelmuthHubener

          • landofaahs

            Perhaps if you are standing up in public and speaking against muslims in a place like Pakistan. That would at least take guts. But in most venues, talk is cheap.#Enil Selnad

      • Tim F

        Not just speaking, but also fighting off the evils that threaten this nation as well. Both can work pretty well together.

    • Tim F

      I don’t know about that. Liberalism and atheism is one thing, as at least some of the time they won’t attack you for your beliefs. Killing scores upon scores of people because the god/goddess/whatever of your faith will like you better for doing so is down right terrifying.

      • landofaahs

        Atheists are always trying to use government and the courts to stop people from praying or demonstrating their faith all because they don’t wan to hear it. We have freedom of speech not freedom from speech. So much for your “atheists just want to get along and leave everyone alone and they are such god people” crap.

        • Tim F

          Hey there, whoa! Calm down.
          It’s better to live with atheists than fanatical fundamentalists. And I can bet that a lot of people would say the same. At atheist for the most part won’t hunt you and give a literal life or death choice because you won’t worship a certain deity. Plus, not all atheists want to use government to cancel out religion. That’s a generalization fallacy.

          • landofaahs

            Who’s not calm? But I would agree we should live separately. When do you plan on moving? I’ll help you pack. The atheist communist Soviet union would kill Christians because they could not tolerate the freedom that Christianity professes. Free will is at the heart of Christianity. You atheist’s just can’t handle hearing differing opinions. But we Christians will continue to speak our minds no matter how evil our adversaries get.

          • Tim F

            Dude, atheists aren’t always these monsters that kill everyone or everything they see. And by shutting atheist away from you because you don’t agree with them, doesn’t that make you no better? There will always be someone who won’t like what they hear, but just because someone could be an atheists, doesn’t mean they’re not horrible people who will attack religion on sight. There are some really nice atheists out there just as there are some really horrible Christians. Also, I hate everything the Soviet Union ever stood for, so don’t assume I’m on their side, nor the Communists. I hate their stands’ too.

    • Jockstrap

      You mean the christian values that wiped the native americans out, led the spanish conquistadors to eradicate the south americans, etc etc. Please get your head out of your ass

      • landofaahs

        Do you mean the south Americans sacrificing children to their false God? Yes As far as the native American, both warred against each other and native Americans warred against themselves. The white man just had better weapons. Are Christians perfect? No Are native Americans perfect? No. But I seriously doubt if any native Americans today would want to go back to the lives their ancestors had without the modern conveniences. So loosen your jockstrap and put your head back up your lower orifice where it’s used to being.

    • shimdo

      I will totally agree with that but most of the world has thrown God to the wayside and with end times coming faster now, Christain are in deep trouble in this mad, evil world that satan wants so badly

      • landofaahs

        You may be correct but I’m not yet convinced that we are at the gates yet. Although I do believe that since Christ’s ascending, we have been in the end times.

  • Allen Michael Cosby
  • originalNCpink

    I’d like to see a map of the world that identifies “Muslim Settlements”, i.e. groupings with in major cities that have a strong Muslim presence. For example, there are whole sections of London, Atlanta, New York, Sydney etc that have incredibly large Muslim communities. To be clear, I’m not saying that this should be done to immediately point the finger and say these entire communities are terrorists. The reality is that there are many kind, benevolent Muslims and many probably live in these settlements. However, the real threat can only truly be imagined if one looks at all of the possibilities within a best case and worst case scenario. Converting to this “crueler” form of Islam seems to be on the rise and it is a natural next step for ISIS to begin (or continue) to recruit, activate, engage and indoctrinate these communities. Until we look at this from all possibilities we are only addressing a superficial wound vs systemic organ failure.

    Also, I don’t think the media would ever do this as they’re too afraid of the blowback. Glenn is probably the only one out there with the backbone to ask a question of this magnitude.

    • JLWright

      Why expect Muslim communities to speak up when Christians equally go along to get along?

      Liberties are a gift from God and not to be violated but without His wrath.

      Silence in the face of evil is in itself evil. God will not hold guiltless.

      Not to speak is to speak

      Not to act is to act. Dietrick
      Bonhoffer

    • pfiffi43

      You are right, we have to find the cancer which is trying to destroy us. The “good” Muslims have to be brave enough to reject the hijackers of their religion.

  • julieacp1

    Our government has become the world’s biggest criminal enterprise & is officially the greatest threat to our safety!!

    • http://spsrchaplain.org Ward Clinton

      Aww! Don’t pick on the kakistocracy.

    • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

      How true unfortunately….

  • Moetradamus

    Glenn it’s an Islamic conspiracy and I fear they are all in on it. Not just Islam but communist as well. Bin Laden was a wild goose chase I think we can all admit that now.

    • soybomb315

      Bin Laden was at one time a CIA asset

      • jim

        Tim Osman aka Osama bin Laden

    • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

      The Bin Laden & Bush families were very close friends. Osama also denied anything to do with 9/11…terrorist masterminds usually claim responsibility right away.

  • soybomb315

    Really, Glenn….ISIS is worse than soviet Russia in the mid-1940s through 1990s which is responsible for tens of millions of deaths???? This is the same ISIS that people like Mitt Romney criticized Obama in the debates for not arming in Syria…Did you shame Romney for wanting to arm the “greatest evil we have seen since 1930s”????

    Glenn Beck and the MSM are tripping over themselves trying to get us more heavily involved in the civil war over there….The writing on the wall should be clear for the average american.

    • Elena

      GIve ISIS time and they will be.

  • madman

    I think that ISIS is using the Hitler playbook for world domination.

    • soybomb315

      As if ISIS was a bigger threat to my freedom than my own government…..

  • Chris Chirtes

    I came from atheist country and I tell you atheism KILL many people, if you do not support their ideology you will be killed, so for people believing atheism don’t kill people you are really FOOL

    • Elena

      You speak the truth, my friend. The Marxists of the USSR and PRC murdered millions as have their hired hands like Cuba, the DPRK, DDR, and others.

      ISIL/ISIS is not a bunch of atheists. Their god is Allah, the chief storm/moon god of the Arabian pantheon. There god is not God but an evil entity also known as Lucifer or Satan.

      • Chris Chirtes

        Elena, many people from this country they didn’t get true real “atheist era”, they don’t know many things about atheism, I understand if any are wrong informated or they don’t have any idea, but if they are Hippocrats or they know but they ignore, I believe this people are idiots, anyway thank you for supporting my comment

  • Paper Boy

    It looks like the United Nations cannot unite nations. Otherwise peace and tranquility would prevail.

    • pfiffi43

      The United Nations is a farce! We should kick them out of America and stop paying these moochers.

      • zemla

        Heck yeah! Moochers is right, people always cry that wwe spend more on defense than anyone else, well, YEAH. We pay for so many other nations……

        Glaring at self righteous frenchies…

    • zemla

      Well, the league of nations failed so we shouldn’t be shocked that changing the name didn’t help much

  • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

    The U.S. Government trained & armed ISIS…so who’s the real terrorist?

    • ryanomaniac

      Move somewhere else moron.

      • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

        Name calling…how intelligent you must be!

        • ryanomaniac

          Intelligence is what you should’ve used in making that comment above. How can someone respond intelligently to some clown? So pathetic that you hate your own country. Let me guess, are you a Paulbot?

          • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

            Please prove my comment wrong, and I will retract it. I don’t hate The U.S., only the corrupt criminals in government.

          • zemla

            How come it’s soooooo difficult for folks to get that differentiation?

          • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

            The PC liberal-progressives aren’t too smart!

    • soybomb315

      Bingo

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    ISIS is going as far as Indonesia. We got to pray that all the Christians and Jews that are being hunted down by these pigs. We also need to pray God stops them.

    • Josh

      They are here in the USA too. They are everywhere.

    • Elena

      Add fasting to the prayer and you have a winning combination.

      Yet 40 days and Nineveh will be overthrown!

      What did Nineveh do? Fm the greatest to the least, they prayed, fasted, and went about in mourning (sack cloth and ashes).

      Much to Jonah’s displeasure, God spared Nineveh for its prostration before Him.

      Americans must make a conscious effort to repent and mean it if we wish to be spared being overthrown.

  • Bonnie Lynette Swann-Tomlinson

    All this discussion is bull. This group is akin to Nazis. I would pay attention to Glenn’s warning. We need to get rid of Obama first, and then take a look at building up our military again. Obama belongs in an insane asylum prison!!

  • Barbiebarb

    It’s not that the President doesn’t understand the caliphate, He is on the side of the enemy.

  • Jamie Penter

    We are too busy being politically correct, not trying to piss anyone off. Media won’t even call a terrorist what they are, i.e. radicals, rebels, insurgents,militants. Whether you are liberal or conservative, call it what it is. Genocide, terrorism, evil.

  • pfiffi43

    We were trying to talk about the evil of ISIS and what do we wind up with as so often on this site? We talk about religion. It is true that religion has been hijacked in the past by fanatics but this is another matter for another day. If ISIS lets small children hold up cut-off heads it is evil. All the world should unite to destroy these mad dogs.
    They should take the children from them and reeducate these poor souls. Why our government is taking this much time to get the world leaders together and fight this evil is beyond me. If we see a fire, we fight it with all our might before it spreads and devours everything. This ISIS is a Hellfire and should be doused ASAP.

  • julieacp1

    If we do not fill the vacuum someone will! We need to treat ISIS like we would treat the Nazis! With the full power of the USA and her allies ! We are a super power whether you like or not!

  • Glenda

    Before anything was God … Jeff Lambeau is going to meet his creator some day … one day EVERY knee will bow and confess that Christ Jesus is Lord !

  • Elena

    Let’s see…0 is muslim. John Brennen is muslim. Gee, can’t see where the blindness is… **sarcasm off**

  • Boomhauser

    Isis is just islam in its non watered down form. atheists are useful idiots to the devil.

  • Joe Marquez

    I thought most of the founding father where deists and unitarians , in god we trust want used to the 1950

  • bobjr4freedom

    ISIS is a group we need to take serious regardless of what real threat we think is.Inside or outside of this country.They are evil and they do want to kill Americans.Keep alert on this America.

  • 2 IT too

    BREAK OUT of TAVISTOCK mind control FAKE media.

    Put down the milk and cookies.

    WE are UNDER open GLOBALIST MAFIA USURPATION.

    NEED a CLUE to thinking for yourself?

    CHECK OUT the talks with deprogrammer and scholar JAN IRWIN
    on youtube.

    NO MORE TIME for franchise slum enmeshment ops.

  • jim

    there is a genuine humanitarian crisis in Iraq and, since it helped create the disaster that is now unfolding, the US does have a duty to help out. But bombing Iraq has never once made the situation there better. It has actually made things a lot worse, leading to body counts beyond the most committed jihadist’s wildest dreams (while creating loads of new jihadists, the presence of which can be cited to justify the next intervention).

    The absence of a good answer to a problem like ISIS is not a good reason to embrace a snake-oil cure that has proven time and again to be worse than the disease. The US military is not a humanitarian organization, nor should it be expected to behave like one. If America wants to help, it should offer those fleeing the violence in Iraq the ability to seek refuge in the United States—and promise those who stay behind that it will never ever bomb them again.
    No doubt that statement is bound to provoke indignant outrage from some on this forum though !

    • 7tom7

      I notice that you never make a comment about the evil ISIS and the snake oil ( of forcing people against their will ) No comments on ISIS forcing on other people to flee, to change their religion to Islam , or die , I guess you don’t see any evil on what ISIS does !!???? It seem you want ever one to back away from facing this evil to let it spread and grow stronger so it be harder to stamp out !!!

      • jim

        and what would you have me say ?
        It has been a long and bloody ride since the late Seventies, when the CIA, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan invented the global jihadist network almost from scratch, to give the Soviets a black eye in Afghanistan. The Islamists provided the foot soldiers for America’s own imperial jihad in Muslim lands.

        Imperialism has let loose a plague upon the world, that will – sooner, rather than later – consume the kings, emirs and sultans the U.S. depends on to keep the empire’s oil safe. The pace of imperial decline just got quicker.
        Imperial hubris bred blowback ~

        Turkey, a nation of 76 million, has the second-largest army in NATO, equipped with U.S. weapons, and an air force ISIL does not have.

        But if Turkey wanted to crush ISIS, they could seal the border to foreign fighters entering Syria and send the Turkish army to assist Assad in annihilating ISIS in Syria.

        The jihadists of the Islamic State may be more motivated, but they are hugely outnumbered and outgunned in the region.

        Should ISIS succeed in holding northern Syria and western Iraq, who will recognize this caliphate? Who will trade with it? How will it hold the allegiance of peoples upon whom it is even now imposing terrorist rule?

  • 7tom7

    Question on this containment policy of ISIS by obama , will give them a time out to gain more powerful weapons and they can add to their rally cry for more to join their movement that they were able to stand off the Great Satan ????? Question are we doing the same with our enemy of Iran by giving Iran more time to gain nuclear weapons ??? Question are we looking the other way like we did with pre- world war two Germany and to cost us more more lives than if we nip this evil in the beginning ???

    • jim

      The idea that the states responsible for at least 500,000 deaths, 4 million refugees, mass torture and ethnic cleansing in Iraq over the past decade should now present themselves as having a “responsibility to protect” Iraqis verges on satire.

      The majority of Iraq’s million-strong Christian community was in fact forced out of the country under US-British occupation. The state sectarianism that triggered the Sunni revolt and rise of IS in Iraq – the ultimate blowback – was built into the political structures set up by George Bush.

      Britain and the US – which didn’t want to “take sides” when Egypt’s coup leaders carried out one of the largest killings of demonstrators in a single day in history last summer – are the last countries on Earth to bring humanitarian relief to Iraq.

      That doesn’t mean that they don’t have a responsibility to provide aid. But the record of western humanitarian intervention over the past two decades isn’t a happy one. In 1991, no-fly zones in Iraq allowed massacres of Shia rebels in the south and only functioned with thousands of troops on the ground in Kurdistan, followed by 12 years of bombing raids.

      just saying …

  • Shane Nault

    Glenn, you are right and have been. God bless those who see with unclouded vision. As for the rest of the comments concerning atheism and faith, I find it all hilarious. Those of faith and those without it can see what is, what God has made. Those who follow science are coming to know how it was made while those of faith are coming to understand why He made everything. Unknowingly working together to plumb the mystery that is life and the universe. To those like myself, who believe, don’t try to paint God as human. He never was. To those who chose not to believe, truth and faith are not opposites when it comes to morals and doing the right thing. God bless you all, even if you don’t believe. Believe then in yourself, for therein lies the essence of the Divine.

  • Steven Meeks

    In related facts, here are the US deaths in Afghanistan, by year:Bush2001: 52002: 302003: 312004: 492005: 942006: 872007: 1112008: 151Total = 558Obama2009: 3032010: 4972011: 4942012: 2942013: 115Total = 1,703Ref: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/dennis-m-crowley/12-year-war-73-us-casualties-afghanistan-obamas-watch

  • Jockstrap

    Such bickering is what will be the undoing of the civilized world. USA UK China India Japan Europe as a whole Iran Israel Australia etc all need to understand that unless ISIS is ruthlessly routed immediately this evil will spread like a cancer. What were the rewards for delaying the acceptance of the holocaust until it had already murdered millions? Not much when early recognition and intervention was possible. The UN are weak for not rallying the world in this global cause. I fear failure to act could be our undoing. Unless people raise their voices and demand ISIS is wiped off the face of the world.

  • jim

    Graphic reports of the suffering of tens of thousands of Yazidi refugees on Mount Sinjar and the horrific violence that has driven the Christians of Qaraqosh from their homes have aroused global sympathy.

    The victims of this sectarian onslaught need urgent humanitarian aid and refuge. But the idea that the states that invaded and largely destroyed Iraq at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives should claim the cause of humanitarianism for yet another military intervention in Iraq beggars belief.

    If the aim were solely to provide air cover for the evacuation of Yazidis from Sinjar, there are several regional powers that could deliver it. The Iraqi government itself could be given the means to do the job – something its US sponsors have denied it until now. In fact, the force that has done most so far to rescue Yazidis has been the Kurdish PKK, regarded as a terrorist organisation by the US, EU and Turkey.

  • jim

    The urge to play the role of self-appointed global policeman retains its grip on the western world, but experience shows that will do nothing to rescue the people of Iraq. Far more important would be agreement between the regional powers, including Turkey and Iran, on a settlement to allow Iraq to escape from its existential crisis.

    Selective humanitarian intervention without UN and regional authorisation is simply a tool of power politics, not solidarity. To imagine that the solution to the disastrous legacy of one intervention is to launch yet another is delusional folly.

  • 2 IT too

    “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies
    is the creation of a ONE world government
    combining super-capitalism and COMMUNISM
    all under ONE tent, —-under THEIR control.

    DO I MEAN CONSPIRACY?

    YES I DO!

    I am convinced there is such a plot,
    international in scope,
    —————-generations old in planning,
    ————————and incredibly EVIL in intent.”
    Rep. LARRY McDONALD
    1983
    ( weeks before his ‘easing’
    —————————on KAL 007,
    ——————————— Sept. 1, 1983 )

    AGAIN, note today’s anniversary of the KOREAN ARMISTICE
    of the now awesomley relevant, 21st century DEFINING
    KOREAN WAR – – — is also ‘mysteriously missing’ from mention.

    AGAIN —–about that MASSIVELY consolidating
    ————————-GLOBALIST—-RED CHINA handover
    —————————————TREASON OP?

  • 2 IT too

    ‘Most evil’? —–TRY sitting through California whistleblower’s
    DEBORAH TACAREZ’s rundowns on ‘SILENT WEAPONS/QUIET WARS’
    document, Iron Mountain Report, State Dept Protocol 200,
    the 1992 NASA War document.

    YOU AIN’T SEEN NOTHIN’ YET!

    ————-and ALLL being ‘worked’ on you
    ————————-from those above the law
    ———————————-TRILLIONAIRE backed
    ——————————————and TOTALLY TAX FREE!

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  • warren447

    I think we would have to drop the atom bomb on them

  • Steven Meeks

    When it comes to the situation in the Middle East, I’ve found this to be a useful overview: http://bit.ly/XdSapV

  • al

    Jeff God has been the backing/foundation for everything this company has stood for, if you don’t understand the separation church and state clause I suggest you go back to school, oh wait the liberals run the schools now! Albeit correct of people being murdered in the name of religion, that is nothat Christianity or Organized religions purpose is. However lost you may be theres always hope