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'Tiger mom' and Yale law prof says calling for America's 'divorce' is 'playing with fire'

You may know Amy Chua as the “tiger mom” who wrote a bestselling memoir about the benefits and drawbacks of strict parenting called “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother.” Chua is also a Yale professor and the author of several books on a range of topics. In her latest book, “Political Tribes: Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations,” Chua tackled the political tribalism that is dividing America.

On today’s show, she and Glenn chatted about the right-left dichotomy that is tearing Americans apart; solutions that can help us see each other as people again; and the insanity of calling for a “divorce” into two separate nations.

“How do we come together when we each think the other side is the problem?” Glenn asked.

Watch the full clip (above) for Chua’s response to this crucial question and listen to the full interview here.

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: I'm hoping that Amy Chua can spend some time with us today. She has written a book called Political Tribes: Group Instinct and The Fate of Nations. She is the -- the John duff professor of law at the Yale Law School. She graduated from Harvard.

Amy, welcome to the program. How are you?

AMY: I'm great. Thanks so much for having me.

GLENN: You bet. I don't know how much time you have, but I would love to spend as much time as you have.

AMY: I have time.

GLENN: Okay. Your book is great because you talk about the secret of America. And how we're really kind of violating that now. Really, strangely, unknowingly. But you -- you speak to both sides of the aisle so we can kind of hear each other.

It's not -- it's not a book written from the left or the right.

AMY: Absolutely not.

GLENN: And it's trying to speak the language of -- of both sides. And let's start with the essential goodness of America, that you point out.

AMY: Right. So I'm not even trying to be both sides. I am just kind of going back. I think we all need to remember what it is that makes America special.

And so I actually have spent 20 years studying different countries, countries in the developing world. You know, European countries. And believe it or not, there was something really special about America, that I think most Americans don't even realize. And I say that we alone among the major powers, not France, not England, we are what I call a super group.

And to be a super group, Glenn, it's really simple. You only need to do two things.

The first is to have a really strong overarching national identity. Just something that holds us together. Americans. But the second requirement for a super group, is we have to allow all different kinds of subgroup identities to flourish.

So it's like -- so in this country, you can be -- you know, you can say, I'm Irish-American. I'm Italian-American. I'm Croatian-American. I'm Japanese-American and still be intensely patriotic at the same time. And believe it or not, this is not true in a country like France. You wouldn't say I'm Italian French. There's no such thing.

GLENN: Right.

AMY: So we -- and right now because of the tribalism that has taken over our political system, we're starting to destroy that. We're starting to destroy this connective tissue, this big overarching national identity that we have, that has -- what's made us special.

And, you know, your example, really, about Chick-fil-A, is also -- there's an attack on allowing individual subgroup identities to flourish too. So it's a dangerous moment for us.

GLENN: Right. So you -- I thought this was really fascinating. And the most clear I have heard anybody state this.

You're saying that a lot of these wars that we have engaged in, are unwinnable, simply because those nations don't have a super group.

AMY: Exactly. So one thing that America has done -- and so, you know, my real feel for 20 years has been, again, looking for foreign policy. And what I try to say is I explain why we have messed it up so much, in countries from Vietnam, to Afghanistan, to Iraq.

And a lot of it has to to do with, we don't realize how exceptional, our own identity and history is. So we forget how unusual it is to be this multi-ethnic nation, with so many different ethnicities, and to have a really strong American identity.

So, Glenn, why do you think Libya is now a failed sate? We missed this. President Obama actually really, honorably conceded this.

He said, we failed to see the depth of the tribalism. They -- Libya was a multi-ethnic country like we are. One hundred forty different ethnic groups. But the difference is, that Libya didn't have a strong enough national identity. This idea of being a Libyan didn't matter to these people.

And it just fell apart. It fell apart after we intervened. And we didn't see that. We thought, you know what, they're going to be like us.

GLENN: Yeah.

AMY: If we just take out this horrible dictator and then we leave and put in democracy, it's going going to come together. And it didn't happen. So we project -- we forget how special we are, and we make mistakes by forgetting that other countries are not like us.

GLENN: And it seems in a sick, sort of twisted way, we understood this with the motivation behind the Sykes-Picot line and agreement in the Middle East. Where we drew these country lines, knowing that it would cause warring factions and the dictators would -- would be -- would be so busy trying to keep their own tribe together, that they wouldn't have time to look out.

We did know this at one point.

AMY: Well, you know what's so funny, the British were the masters of this, actually. Because the British, they -- I mean, morally, of course, that's another question. But how were they so successful in maintaining this empire, for centuries, with such a small number of people?

I mean, just a handful of British administrators in places like India and the Middle East, exactly what you said. They were masters -- they were so conscious of all these little group decisions. But they used it to divide. And you're right. You know, they were like, okay. How can we keep these people at bay? And they actually purposefully pitted groups against each other. We were not like that, after we went to the world stage, post World War III two.

We started (?) as like this magic formula. You know, that -- if we -- because democracy -- historically has worked so well for us. We went into Iraq thinking, oh, Sunni, Shia, Kurds, it's kind of a mess, but let's just have some elections. And that was so wrong-headed. Because what I've shown is under certain conditions, democracy can actually worsen. (?) not make it better.

GLENN: Sure. So I want to go to the part of the book where you talk about how the left isn't listening to the (?) and you -- you describe, especially for a professor. I'm just shocked that you're even allowed to teach.

But --

AMY: I get to go back.

GLENN: Yeah. But you described what happened with the Trump voter. And what's happening with the Trump voter. And try to explain that to a person on the left. And I've not heard anyone in the media do this. And do it effectively, as you did. And what we're supposed to learn from this. And how you describe the left to the right, when we come back.

The name of the book is Political Tribes. Amy chew ais with us.

Don't hold it against her that she's a Yale professor. She just said, I don't know how -- I don't know if they're going to let her back in. But it's a remarkable book.

GLENN: Amy chew a,she is an author of the book (?) political tribes. Group instinct. And the fate of nations.

In your book, you -- you talk about the left believes that the right-wing tribalism, bigotry, racism is tearing the nation apart. (?) identity politics. Political correctness is tearing the country apart.

And they're both right. Can you explain?

AMY: Right. So, you know, I'm the kind of person that believes that people are basically good. And so many things that go crazy and end up being awful and are now ripping us apart actually started with good intentions. (?), for example, let's start with the left. Progressives in the '60s and the '70s, a lot of their rhetoric was about equality. And it was very inclusive. It was about, let's include everybody. Let's tran end groups, so that we don't see skin color. What happened was right around in the '70s and the '80s, a lot of people (?) all these calls for let's not seek groups. Let's be equal and all this, are not actually helping us. And so you started seeing people as a minority -- they're like, look at these histories that we're telling about the United States. We're romanticizing our Founders. We're romanticizing the Constitution. We're romanticizing everything.

And, Glenn, I think there's some good to that. We should talk about the fact that our Founders, some of them held slaves. We do to have talk about our naturive populations. But what happened is they just started going way, way too far.

So now, if you fast forward to 2018, it's all the way to the other extreme. It's like, America is a land of oppression.

It's not even -- it's not like, look, we have this wonderful Constitution, with these incredibly important principles, which we have repeatedly failed to live up to, which I believe.

Instead, it's like this whole thing is a sham. The country is built on white supremacy.

GLENN: Yes.

AMY: And that is playing with poison. Because it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It goes back to what I was saying. It's attacking that precious American identity. Not saying we need to strive to make it better.

To make it reality. But just saying, you know what, let's just throw the whole thing out. And with identity politics, another thing that has happened is -- and, again, I understand where the left came from. They were like, you know, all this group stuff is just being used to block (?) it's just being used by the right to not make any changes. Well, fast forward, it's gone too far. Brav in 2018 now, on a college (?) campus where I teach, it's all about groups. If you try to be group transcending, you will immediately be called a racist. Because the idea is that you are trying to erase all the very individual examples of group oppression that we have. But the problem is that the groups are dividing, smaller and smaller. And even worse than that, the idea is like, you cannot understand me. You cannot speak for me.

And on top of that, the final thing that drives me craziest is the vocabulary policing.

So I feel like a lot of people -- you know, in the middle of the country, who are not on these Ivy League campuses, they are good-willed. They may be anxious about immigration. They may be anxious about our country changing.

You know, they may have certain views that I disagree with. But that doesn't mean that they're racist and xenophobic and homophobic and whatever. Does or (?) you're immediately branded all these things.

And what that does, is it drives. (?) a lot of horrible stuff on the right. And there you hear terrible things. You know, so -- and it's this vicious cycle.

So that's half of it.

GLENN: Okay. So now let's go -- when we come back, let's go to, how do we fix it? Because I -- Amy, you're one of the few people that I've talked to that I think fully understands the problem that we face, and you have a solution. Next.

STU: We're talking to Amy chew a. She's the author (?) group instinct and the fate of nations. You also might remember her from (?), you know, that only sold about 25 zillion copies a few years ago. So she joins us now.

Amy is with us.

GLENN: So, Amy, I have to tell you, I feel like -- you know, I'm a brother from another mother with you.

AMY: Yes.

GLENN: Because you're -- you're so spot-on, on what the problem is, I think, with the political tribes. And how we are -- how we are one half of the country (?) dismisses the other half. We dismiss -- you know, one half of the country dismisses all the good that America did. The other half sometimes dismisses all of the bad that America did. And we've just been pushed further and further apart.

So now, how do we come together, when we each think the other side is the problem?

AMY: So, there are these fascinating, but terrifying studies that I describe, that showed that a lot of this is actually biological. That human beings are tribal animals, that we would want --

GLENN: Sure.

AMY: And that's not always bad. Family is tribal, but positive.

GLENN: We had to -- to survive.

AMY: Exactly.

GLENN: Prehistoric man had to be.

AMY: Exactly. But there are some scary tests that show that our brains light up when we stick it to the other side.

So there's a lot of it. But here's the good news: I have all these studies that show that we can as human beings overcome this tribalism. And there are all these very, very robust studies that show, that if you can pull human beings out of their group context. Because we're worst with our buddies. You know

GLENN: Yeah.

AMY: And you pull two people from opposite sides. Opposite tribes. And have them interact as human beings. It is astounding how much progress can be made.

Now, this is not saying to (?) you put a bunch of different races and backgrounds, they could just hate each other more.

The point is, having them interact as human beings. And the best example of this is the integration of our military in the 1950s. That was a time when everybody said, no way. This is not going to work. Nineteen percent of America was against (?) troops. But they did it. And afterwards, they found that the integrated troops were as or more effective than the all-white troops. And when they interviewed and conducted all these studies, it was so inspiring.

I mean, this is not just black and white. This is at that time, Italian Americans (?) Swedish Americans and German Americans. But what they said is, you know what, if you throw us all into the foxhole, we miss our loved ones in the same way. We're terrified in the same way. And we have to trust our lives to this other person, we don't care what accent they have, or what color their skin is.

And that's a perfect example. Because norms really changed. And a lot of bad things happened in Vietnam. But one good thing is people start to see each other as human beings. So I have this one idea that a lot of people are excited about. It's going to sound silly. But like a public (?) a lot of children from one part of the country, where they're always with their own kind. Their own privileged (?) and maybe enforce -- you know, encourage, on are they have (?) and work side by side with other young Americans on a common project. Not in a condescending way. Like we're going to teach you. But rather, just some common infrastructure or some project together. So I think that we really have to think about this.

I think we have to change the way we teach our history. I think we've overcorrected. I mean, when you were saying bad and good. You know, we have to tell the truth. But we have to make people feel proud of being part of this country. And not forget what makes us so exceptional about it.

GLENN: But, you know, I have to tell you, Amy, my daughter challenged me once. She said, Dad, you only know the good stories about America. And I said, honey, you've gone to school. You only know the bad stuff.

And I said, I tell you what, you read the stuff, I'll read the bad stuff. And by really immersing myself in things like wounded knee and really, truly understanding it, I've actually come out more hopeful, that we can survive (?) anything, if we learn from it.

PAT: Yes. Yes. I could not agree with you more! (?) and I think we're criticizing the same thing. Because there's a lot of voices on the right and the left, it's almost like they want to maintain those tribes. So if I were to want to -- if you're somebody on the left and you wanted to go to Chick-fil-A or read something positive about George Washington, you're instantly branded by a lot of people preponderance and the same thing happens on the right. If somebody on the right wanted to do, you know what, I want to hear this person talk about Black Lives Matter. No, no, no. You can't. And I just think that it's -- because I -- I wrote this book because I actually looked at other countries that have actually fragmented and just broken up. And I think that America doesn't realize how precious what we have is. I see people on both sides saying, let's just get a divorce. Let's just break up the country. And I think they're playing with fire. And I understand that. Sometimes you just get so mad at the other side and what people are saying. And one extreme thing feels like a more (?) escalates in a place where people are so (?) at both sides.

GLENN: So, Amy, I think what stops us from listening to the other side, or sitting down -- and perhaps it's just saying that you're part of the problem if you do sit down, is both sides feel -- and I could speak for the -- for the right, I think on this one. Is it feels like, you know, we'll sit down and we'll tell you the truth. But, you know, the left isn't going to tell us the truth of what their real intent is. And I think there's a difference between the -- the average person in the country, and those who are leading these -- you know, these -- these groups.

AMY: Yes. I totally agree. I think it's actually a lot of very loud, shrill groups. Even on a campus, I can say, you'll hear these things that the rest of America will (?) these crazy things that are said. But when I talk to my students in a private setting, in a smaller group, I find that the majority of them, whether they're on the right or the left, are actually very -- very reasonable reasonable. (?), but it's a very small number of people. Almost like bullying. You know, and -- but I think that, for example, just -- like what you just said about -- you're a very influential person. So if you just said, you know, I read this book about Wounded Knee, or something. Try it.

You know, that's not a strident thing. It's not taking sides. And I think if even just a few people start doing that -- and, yes, I think the left is very problematic this way. You know, if somebody -- look, maybe George Washington was a slaveholder. But that's not all he was.

You know, it was an amazing story. There was (?) so much heroickism. And that's like a no-no no. (?) that's partly why I wrote this book. So Amy, I have to tell you, I think I was in Denver. Were you with me institutions

STU: I think I was, yeah.

GLENN: I was in Denver. I had just flown in. (?) and it was a guy who was driving the car. And he was a -- a professor. And he was a professor of Native American studies. And something else. I can't remember what it was. But everything -- everything in me went, he hates your guts, Glenn.

And I -- you know, I -- I would -- you know, I was supposed to hate him, I think. But I started talking to him. And he was taking me to a broadcast station. And I could tell that he didn't really like me.

And so we just started having a conversation. And I found out that he was from Wounded Knee, that he had done a lot of studies on Wounded Knee. So we had this great conversation. He dropped me off at the station. I said, wait. Wait here. When I'm done, I want to show you something.

In the back of the car, he didn't know this. But I had one of the seven Native American guns from wounded knee that had been collected.

AMY: Wow.

GLENN: And I told him when wedding back in the car, I said, I want to tell you something. I said, I don't know if you know who I am. He said, oh, I do.

And I said -- I said, let me tell you what I found out about Wounded Knee. And I said, (?) when I arrived, I want you to open up the back. I have something to show you. And I pulled out the gun. I handed it to him. And he actually wept. He cried.

AMY: Wow.

GLENN: And we hugged each other. And we had a great conversation. And we ended up liking each other, a lot. That doesn't mean we agree on everything. We just --

AMY: Exactly.

GLENN: We saw each other -- I stopped seeing him as a -- as a professor. And he stopped seeing me as a guy who talks politics. And we saw each other each as people.

AMY: I love that -- that's what I was saying. (?) I have conservative students. Believe it or not, they take my classes. And I have a lot of minority students. Because I'm a minority. And I try to do the same thing. I facilitate it. But I say that -- you know, I think we all need to elevate ourselves on both sides of the spectrum and be more generous. Because sometimes it's almost like -- and, again, I get it. It's almost like a game of gotcha. It's very pleasurable just to hate the other side too. You think of sports, you know. I like my story.

Your story reminds me of the one that I tell, that's the same thing. I have this very poor Mexican (?) grew up in a trailer park. And he tells a similarly moving story about the people in the next trailer over who were so kind. To his family. And they were, you know, very strong Trump supporters. The other people would have called white supremacists. But what (?) even though the words they used, to all my progressive friends sound horrible, the things that they said, at the level of just human beings, they were the ones that protected us. They were the ones that said, we're going to be here for you. So I love that story.

GLENN: So we are sitting in a place -- Amy, I'm going to run out of time.

We are sitting at a place now, to where you just said, I think, the language that they might use, we almost speak a different language. I don't know if you're familiar with Jonathan Haidt.

AMY: Yes. I completely agree with him.

GLENN: But we speak a different language. And I've learned this by going to all kinds of different churches and synagogues and mosques and listening. And I'm amazed that we agree, I think, on 95 percent of the stuff. But we think we're farther away from each other because of the language that each religion happens to use. And we don't understand it. Coming in, we're like, okay. That's weird.

No, it's exactly what you're saying, just said in a different way.

AMY: Exactly. And here again, I think that the left and the right have to -- they both have to improve. I have been quite harsh about the left just all this vocabulary policing.

GLENN: Yes.

AMY: The vocabulary changes all the time. If you slip up a little bit, then suddenly, ah, we caught you. You're racist.

And that's not going to help anybody. But I think what that does is it makes some people on the right go too far on the other direction. They go, you know what, (?) we're going to say this. Then it makes them purposefully say incendiary things that do sound artificial. (?) more generous towards -- I always say, just try to think about what they're -- what the person is really trying to say. Instead of fixating on the exact word. You know, where are they coming from? Are they coming from a good place? Because I see so many people coming from a good place, who suddenly get torn down because they get the wrong -- they use the wrong word. And, again, I think that's bullying.

GLENN: Amy chew a,it is a thrill to talk to you. (?) political tribes. Group instinct and the fate of nations.

She has not only diagnosed the problem, but she points to the cure. Amy, thanks so much.

AMY: Thank you so much for having me.

GLENN: You bet. Can't believe she's a professor at Yale. How did she get on campus?

If they find out -- let's keep this interview to ourselves, if they find out, she's gone.

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The INCREDIBLE TRUE Story of Benjamin Franklin

Was Benjamin Franklin the greatest and most modern Founding Father? This July 4th week, “The Greatest American” author Mark Skousen joins Glenn Beck to tell the incredible and true story of Benjamin Franklin.

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GLENN: Dr. Mark Skousen, friend of the program, friend of mine. America's economist.

He is -- he has written a new book on the greatest American and the greatest American, he says is Ben Franklin. And I tend to agree with him. He's at least in the top five greatest Americans. Welcome to the program, Mark. How are you?

MARK: I'm doing well. We're out here in the Mediterranean Sea right now on a cruise, but isn't it great technology that even Ben Franklin would love?

GLENN: You know, I don't think people really understand the genius of Ben Franklin. I mean, there's this great article in the times of London.

I don't remember when. But he was going back to London. He was going to challenge the king.

And he was going back. And they said, don't let his boat come in to dock.

Because he's been working with electricity, and he has a ray gun, and he will vaporize, you know, all of London.

I mean, he was -- he was the Elon Musk of his day, but he was almost more magical, because people didn't understand it.

Back then. What did you find in writing this book about Ben Franklin, that you think most people just don't know?

MARK: Well, this is the thing. So when I wrote the greatest American, I thought to myself, everybody -- lots of books have been written on his biography.

So what I did was I came up with 80 chapters on how he is the most modern of all the Founders. And how he could talk about the modern issues of today, whether it's trade or taxes or inflation or war. Discrimination. Inequality.

I have a chapter on each one of these, in the greatest American.

And, you know, he was a Jack-of-all-trades.
And the master of all, on top of it!

So one of the things I thought would be really cool, if you put my book, on every coffee table in America, and people came in to visit, they would look at this book. And there might be an argument, as you say, as to who is the greatest American. Whether it's George Washington or Elon Musk, or what have you.

GLENN: Whatever.

MARK: When they see the picture of Ben Franklin, they sit there and nod their head. And say, wow. This is the guy I want to sit down with and talk to.

And have a beer with.

Because if you sat with some of the other Founders, they would get in an argument with you. Or they would refuse to answer the question. Or what have you.

But Franklin was willing to talk to a janitor, as well as the king of France. And that's pretty unique.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. He could.

He was an amazing guy. So tell me, in your research of him, you know, you always hear that, oh, Ben Franklin was a notorious womanizer, and everything else.

And he abandoned his wife. Deborah? Was that her name?

MARK: Yes. Deborah. That's correct.

GLENN: Did that -- what's true, or what's not true about that?

MARK: So he certainly was the most liberal-minded when it came to the sexual revolution.

That's why I say, he's the most modern of the Founders. Because he was not prudish like John and Abigail Adams, who thought he was a reprobate. And sinner. And not a churchgoer. And stuff like that.

GLENN: Right.

MARK: So, yes. He was -- the ladies loved him. And he loved the ladies.

There's no question about that, that he was a bit of a playboy. And, in fact, he even admits in his autobiography, of having an illegitimate child, William. But then he settled down. He married Deborah. And, yes, Deborah and him, they did separate because -- and it was really more her fault than his, because when he went to London as a London agent, she had extreme aversion to going out on this -- the seas. It was a dangerous time period.

So it's kind of like people don't like to fly on airplanes today. So they did grow apart. There's no question about that.

But they maintained their -- their love for each other.

And, as a matter of fact, when Franklin died, he's buried right next to Deborah. So I think that's an indication of their -- their love and so forth. But they were very different personalities. She was very focused on -- on more of the home issues. She was not a public intellectual.

She would not feel comfortable in the same conversations that Franklin would have with scientists.

And with public thinkers, and stuff like that. So they definitely differed in their personality.

GLENN: The -- the story about his son William is one of the saddest chapters.

I mean, you know, Thomas Paine kind of looked at him as a father figure. And he -- you know, Ben Franklin did have a son, William, as you said. And they -- they had a really bad falling out.

Can you quickly tell that story?

MARK: Yeah. So I have a chapter on that very issue. Because who were his enemies, and he did have a number of enemies, including John Adams, at one point. But in the case of William, he, Franklin, arranged for William to be the governor of New Jersey. And he maintained his loyalty. He was a loyalist. Billy was throughout the American Revolution!

And at the end of the American Revolution, or during the American Revolution, Franklin writes his son and he said, it's one thing to -- we can differ on various issues.

But when you actually raise money, raise armaments to attack me, this was beyond the pale.

This is not something that you should have done. And then at the end of his letter, he says, this is a disagreeable subject!

I drop it. So you can feel that emotion, that anger.

And, yes. He removed him from -- from his will.

So there -- there -- Franklin got along with almost everyone.

And I have a whole chapter on how to deal in the greatest American. How to deal with enemies and be how to make your enemies, your friends.

But this was one example where he just couldn't cross over and forgive him. For what the -- for what we had done.

GLENN: I don't think --

CHIP: Just like you are saying.

GLENN: I think I would have a hard time doing that too if my son was raising funds and military against me. It would be kind of hard to forgive.

Mark, thank you so much for your work. It's always good to talk to you.

The name of the book is by Mark Skousen. And it is called The Greatest American. It's all about Ben Franklin. If you don't know anything about Ben Franklin, you will fall in love with him. You will absolutely fall in love with him. Mark Skousen is the author. The name of the book again, The Greatest American.

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RADICAL ISLAM survivor reveals the HORRORS she lived through

Yasmine Mohammed lived through a nightmare after her mother married an Islamist man. She joins Glenn Beck to tell her story about how she survived physical and mental abuse (including being hung upside down and whipped) in the name of "religion," and how a judge whitewashed it as a cultural issue.

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GLENN: There's a human rights activist from Canada that I really, really want you to meet.

Her name is Yasmine Mohammed. She is the author of Unveiled.

And I want to talk to her about the real battle, that the West is facing now that we're in it.

I think we're -- I think we're in for a real -- well, no. No.

Only those who have closed their eyes are going to be advised by this. We're not in for a shock. We're in for a great awakening, honestly.

Because if you haven't seen what's happening in Europe. If you haven't seen what's coming on our own streets.

If you're not reading the tea leaves. And seeing how this is going.

Hello. New York City.

You're a fool! You're a fool.

You're blind or you're just, I don't know. Incompetent. But Yasmine is here.

She has written a book that is unbelievable. It's called Unveiled: How Western Liberals in Power, Radical Islam. Yasmine, are you on with me tonight, or is it just this radio bit here? Hello, Yasmine.

YASMINE: I think just this radio bit. But I'd love to be on with you tonight, if possible.

GLENN: Well, may I suggest something different?

Are you -- can you -- do you have an open -- do you have about an hour, that you can spend with me right now? I would like to extend this.

YASMINE: Sure, let's do this. Absolutely.

GLENN: Okay. Because it's important. I want to talk to you about what's happening with Iran and everything else. But I really think that we should start with your childhood. I mean, it is -- it's remarkable the life you have lived and have lived through. And with no help from Canada, you know. Had to endure as a childhood. Can you start. You were born in Vancouver to an Egyptian mom. And a Palestinian father. And then your parents got divorced at six. You stayed with mom.

And then mom married an Egyptian. Who she was one of two wives?

Right? Did he have more than two wives?

YASMINE: Well, he could have up to four. But he only filled two slots. My mom was the second.

GLENN: Okay. So tell me about your childhood. What your childhood like?

YASMINE: So, first of all, Glenn, thank you so much for having me on. Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you so much for reading my book, and for helping to bring light to this darkness.

My childhood was unfortunately something that is quite common around all over North America, Europe, obviously the Middle East.

But we don't hear the stories because people are afraid to speak. So as you mentioned. My parents were -- you know, they grew up secular Muslims. My mom in Egypt. My dad in Gaza. And we moved to San Francisco. Got married. You know, had my sister. And then eventually moved to Canada, where their marriage fell apart. And like you mentioned, my mom married an Egyptian man. Who at this point was what people are calling an Islamist. Or a political Muslim. Basically he was just religious.

GLENN: Yes. Okay. Can we stop on this for a second. Because this is something I'm going to talk about tonight. That it's so important to understand the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist.

Islamists are wickedly dangerous, because it is political in Islam, and does not necessarily have anything to do with regular Muslims. Correct?

YASMINE: That's right. So a regular Muslim could be somebody who is open to, you know, democracy and freedom. Somebody like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser.

GLENN: Who I love.

YASMINE: Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah, he's an example. But then, of course, there's Islamists who can go anywhere from political a Islamist like Mamdani in New York, all the way to jihadis like ISIS and Hamas, et cetera.

GLENN: You would put this new -- you would put this new mayor of New York, or the new mayoral candidate that won his primary last night in the category of an Islamist?

YASMINE: I absolutely would, yes. I absolutely would.

GLENN: Why?

YASMINE: He is somebody who is extremely dangerous. He has built his entire platform on Islamist talking points.

I mean, let's just start with the fact that CAIR put $100,000 behind him. CAIR is a group whose leader said that they were happy about October 7th. So it's very clear that these people follow the same ideology and the same goals as groups like Hamas.

They're doing it in different ways.

Hamas are more like they're jihadists. They're bigger on violence.

The Islamists won't necessarily use violence. But they will use duplicitous, insidious means, like what they are doing, which is using secular laws against itself.

Which is, you know, these thinly veiled, you know, calls to -- to -- to globalize intifada.

That is a thinly veiled incitement to violence. You know, I've spoken to people who have survived intifadas in Israel. And what we're talking about here are people riding on a bus, and the bus is blowing up. People sitting, having a pizza, and then the pizza parlor gets blown up. This is what they're asking for. This is what they're saying they want to globalize.

So I don't know how thinly veiled that is. When somebody is your mayoral candidate. And calling to globalize an intifada. For that person to win, it's really disheartening. It makes me feel so sad and angry, and terrified about the future of our world.

GLENN: Okay. So let's get back to your childhood.

Sour -- you know, with this new father, riding a bike, listening to music, celebrating birthdays, swimming lessons, playing with non-Muslim friends, not happening.

YASMINE: Yeah. Absolutely. Everything became halal. Everything became forbidden.

So all of those things that you mentioned. And then, of course, the hijab was put on me, which was the head covering. I have to cover everything, except for my face and hands, up until I was 19, where my face and hands aren't covered black as well.

GLENN: Jeez.

YASMINE: So, yeah. It was a complete shock. I hated every minute of it. But, of course, I was terrified. There was nothing I could do. I was scared.

And at one point, there was just a brief moment of time, where I was able to go to a public school, because the Islam school did not yet have a high school in place.

And in that year, I was able to connect with one of my teachers, Mr. --

GLENN: Wait. Wait.

YASMINE: Okay.

GLENN: Wait. Before I get there. Tell people, when you failed at home, tell people what happened to you. With your feet and your ankles and everything else. So they have an understanding what you were going through, when you met this teacher.

YASMINE: Yeah. So you talked about not being allowed to have non-Muslim friends. That was -- you know, I cannot overstate how important that was for us to understand the difference between us and them. Muslims and non-Muslims. Good and bad. Good and evil, actually.

And so in one of my books, I had written my name as Jasmine instead of Yasmine, which I changed one letter. And when my mom and her husband saw that, they interpreted, oh, this girl wants to be Western. She wants to be Canadian. She doesn't want to be Muslim. She's preferring their way of writing her name, instead of our way of writing it. So we need to teach her a very strong lesson, so that she learns and understands that they are evil and we are good.

And so their way of doing that, was to hang me upside down in the garage and, you know, Muslims have the celebration of Eid, where they slaughter an animal every year and they hang it up in the garage. And that's what -- that was the hook they used to hang me up on.

And whipped me. And they whipped places where it would be hidden. When I was younger, it was the bottom of my feet. And later when I started wearing a hijab, and my body was covered, anyway, then they could whip more comfortably wherever they wanted.

And her husband hung me upstairs, and whipped me to the point of me passing out, because I was crying so much. And I couldn't breathe. My whole -- you know, my face, my nose. My throat. My eyes. Everything was filled with mucus.

And I woke up from my being -- from passing out, and I could hear them talking.

And my mom was -- was upset. She was freaking out. She was like, what are we going to do if you killed her?

We're going to have to explain this. Like -- she was concerned that they would be this trouble with the authorities, if they had killed me. You know what I mean?

Like, it wasn't even that they were concerned about the fact that they had killed me.

GLENN: What was that like, to hear that from your mother?

YASMINE: I mean, I can't forget it. I can't forget a lot of things that she had said and done.

It -- it's really important for me to highlight here, that she wasn't like this. She was -- nobody in her family was like this.

Nobody, where she grew up was like this. But once she became indoctrinated into this ideology, and once she married this Islamist man, she turned into this monster. Who her -- she was so zealous. And her ideology and her, you know, anti-west, pro-Islam. You know, it just possessed her mind. And that's all that mattered to her. And even her own kids were nowhere near. Like we didn't even register in her -- you know, in the things that she cared about.

All she wanted was to -- for Islam to win, and for the West to be dismantled. And if it meant that she had to, you know, beat her daughter up, to get her daughter to understand, that that's what needed to be done, then she was fine to do that. In fact, she was fine to kill me, when I took off my hijab.

I had to -- I had to escape from her and run for my life. Because she was so angry at the fact that I was taking off my hijab, and act like the infidels and act like the non-Muslims, and to be with them. You know, it's so hard to explain how somebody's mind can be so brainwashed, so indoctrinated. So possessed with an ideology. But hers was.

GLENN: So, Yasmine, my heart just breaks for you. And all of the people in this situation. Because, you know, we hear these stories. There are bad parents. Really bad parents. Really, really, really, really dark people, that have children.

But this is not the same. That's -- that's

YASMINE: No, that's right.

GLENN: Explain the difference.

YASMINE: Well, I don't -- I guess the best way for me to describe it, this was an analogy that Sam Harris made. And I thought, this was a really good way to describe it. So I'm going to borrow it from him.

But he was saying, when you have a Jehovah's Witness family, for example, and they have a little daughter, and she is going to die if she doesn't have a blood transfusion, if they refuse for their daughter to get a blood transfusion, you don't look at those parents and say, those are evil people. Those are bad people. You say, oh, my God. They have been -- they have been indoctrinated to believe that killing their daughter is the right thing to do.

That allowing their daughter to die is the correct thing to do. So you recognize that they have been possessed by this ideology. And it is making their humanity. It is suppressing their humanity.

And it's suppressing it to the point that they're willing to watch their daughter die.

And that's really the best way to describe this Islamist ideology, as the exact same thing. It's stemming from a religion. That is so toxic.

And it forces people to completely diminish their humanity and put this ideology first, regardless of who is going to be a victim.

GLENN: Okay. Let me take a break. And then I want to take you back to high school, where you meet the teacher, and what happens with the teacher? You're hearing Yasmine Mohammed.

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It is what our next 50 years is going to be all about, if we don't wake up and stand up, right now!

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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. I do not want to -- I don't want to -- I don't want to interrupt Yasmine's story here. But she's going to continue with me all of hour three of the podcast, coming up in just a second.

But what she is talking about, what she's about to tell you is just exactly what our problem is.

Here's a little girl that was beaten on her feet, because she wasn't wearing the hijab yet.

And so she still could be seen.

So they had to hide any kind of marks on her feet.

She found it painful to walk. I mean, that's when she was playing with, you know, non-Muslim friends. She would get beaten like that. She just told us about being hung up in the garbage and being beaten until she passed out. Then she goes to a Canadian school, and she meets a teacher, and she confesses to this teacher, what is happening in her home.

I -- you need to hear this story.

And then we're going to tie it all together, on what we're actually facing now. You know, this -- between what's happening with Israel and Iran. The killing of the Israelis. On our streets.

And then the election last night, in New York.

We must pay attention and speak the truth.
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Yasmine, welcome back to the program. Thank you so much for changing your day for me. And making this switch.

YASMINE: Actually, it's a pleasure and honor to be here, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me.

GLENN: We were talking about how you were beaten as a child. Hung upside down by your feet. By your ankles. And beaten until you passed out. You were 13 years old? How old were you in that?

YASMINE: By that time, I was ten or 11 years old.

GLENN: Ten or 11. And at 13, you go to a public school for the first time. You leave the Islamic school, and you go to a public school. And you're in Vancouver Canada. And you find a sympathetic teacher. That you feel you can confide in.

How did this happen?

What did you say? And then what happened?

YASMINE: Well, it actually happened in a really interesting way.

I was writing -- I was so excited over the fact that I have so many friends for the first time in my life because I was going to a public school. There's so many people there.

And it was normally going to a -- so I was writing out a list of all of the names of my friends.

And my mom came by. And saw the list. Grabbed it from my hand. And, you know, I'm not stupid. There were no boy's names on that list.
It was all girls. And so I thought, well, this will be fine. It's only girl's names.

But, no. She was so angry that I had made friends. And she was so angry, in fact, that I was excited and happy about it. She thought, sending me to a public school with a hijab on, that I would be ostracized and bullied. And I would learn that these non-Muslims were nothing, but trouble. And I would want nothing to do with them. Instead, I made friends with them, and I was happy to be there. And that just killed her.

So she decided then, that I was no longer going to continue school. She says, that's it. You will be homeschooled from now on. She said, you're staying home, cooking and cleaning. You're not going to go to school anymore.

GLENN: Yeah.

YASMINE: And so she -- I finished the year. She couldn't just pull me out, and it was the end of the school year.

And I was just depressed. I was sad. I didn't know what to do.

And my drama teacher came up to me, and he's like, Yasmine, you're so different. Like, what's going on with you? Your light has totally dimmed.

GLENN: Where did you see him?

YASMINE: Just outside my drama class. You know, and I said, I told him what had happened. I told him, my mom is going to pull me out of school. And this is my first breath. My first, you know, moment of -- a bit of freedom. Was to come to this school. And to, you know, live a little bit of freedom from -- for a bit of my life. And now she will take it back to me, and I will be forced to be living with my -- forced to not be able to go to the school anymore.

And so we talked some more about it. And then I eventually confided about him, about all of the abuse that was going on in the home. And I shared with him everything.

Not knowing that as a teacher in a public school, it was his, you know --

GLENN: Legal responsibility.

YASMINE: You got it. So it was his legal responsibility to contact the authorities. And that's what he did.

So he contacted the police. And they contacted child services.

And then there was this whole investigation that was the three of us. And then his two children as well. So it was five kids, all of us were questioned.

And everything about him. Mind you, his daughter had gone to school, the year prior with four fingers on her face, like bruises on her face. And one of the teachers called the authorities at that point, and said, I think this child is being abused in the home.

And when they asked her, she said, no, no, no. It was an accident. These aren't fingers. Nobody -- whatever. And she denied it. But they still had a record of it.

So when I came forth with my complaints. This was the second time that child services was getting complaints from this man. And still, after we went through the whole investigative system and the whole court case and everything in the end, the judge said, this is a cultural issue. This is a -- a religious issue.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

YASMINE: He has the right to discipline his kids how he sees fit. And it's not our place to intervene. It's not the government's place to intervene.

They knew about everything, Glenn. I had told them about all of the beatings with the belts. And I told him about the hanging me upside down and everything.

And they still said, well, you know, that's just your culture. That's just your -- you know, your ethnicity. Your religion. Your race. Whatever.

You will just have to endure.

GLENN: What did this cost you?

YASMINE: Yeah. It cost me, really, my sense of ever feeling like there would ever be a way for me to escape. Because as much as they were trying to teach me and train me that non-Muslims are evil and non-Muslims are bad, I never believed it. Because my teachers.

Like Mr. Fabro.

Just people in the store, average folks. My friends. My non-Muslim friends. They were all, you know, proving that she was a liar. And that she was wrong. And that they were all good people.

And they didn't want me dead. And they didn't hate me. But when this happened with this judge, it kind of made it all come tumbling down. And I was like, you know what, maybe she's right. Maybe they do hate me. Maybe they don't want me to be safe.

Maybe they do want me to live in this misery for the rest of my life. I mean, for a 13-year-old girl to stand up against her parents in a court of law, and for you to tell that 13-year-old girl, no. You have to go back to the house where you just told us about all of the torture and punishment that you're enduring. You know, what that judge did, was he sentenced me to a life that was worse than the one I was complaining about.

Because now they were able to not only treat me so badly, but it came as humiliation. It came with a psychological torture of, now what are you going to do about it? Now who do you think you're going to complain to? You think you're going to go to the police? You think you're going to go to the child services? Nobody cares about you. This is it. And so I felt like there was nowhere to go, and I felt like they were right, that nobody cared about me.

And Allah's plan was what was going to happen, which was that I was going to remain in this house, until I married the man that they made me marry. And have a baby, to just get the job of a dutiful Muslim girl. And I saw, absolutely no escape, and that was the first time I tried to commit suicide.

GLENN: Yasmine, you are describing a Handmaid's Tale in so many ways.

YASMINE: Yes.

GLENN: And yet, the left does not seem to care.

Why?

YASMINE: Uh-huh. You know, it just -- they -- I feel such a betrayal in -- in -- I'm so disappointed. I can't really even answer that question logically. I don't think they could either, honestly.

They are just so hell-bent on this destruction, this dismantling of Western civilization.

That they're willing to lay hands, with people who chop off a girl's clitoris. Who make little girls get married, when they're just children.

Who throw gay people off of rooftops.

You know what I mean?

It's like, how can you be so hell-bent on your -- your Derrick focus, on the destruction of the west.

That you're willing to lay hands with people who are supposedly, according to what you are preaching, supposedly believes in the antithesis, you know, the complete opposing values that you believe in.

But, you know, we've seen this before. We've seen this in the Islamic Regime of Iran. That's exactly how they came into power, is they laid hands with the socialists and the communists and the progressives on the left.

And that is exactly what they did, in order to dismantle and to bring down the Shah and for the Islamic Regime of Iran to take its place. Then what did they do? As soon as they got power, all of these useful idiots, all of these lefties, they just either murdered them, they threw them in prison. They disappeared. Some of them were able to flee, until they were finished with them. After they get what they want. After they used them. And we've seen this happen over and over and over again.

History keeps repeating itself. And now it's all over the Middle East.

And now it's happening all over the west, yet again!

They've perfected their strategy. And there's no reason for us to continue to fall for this same ploy, like we've seen it happen before. We know how it ends. But there's just so much arrogance.

Everybody thinks, no, no, no. This time, it's going to be different.

This time, it will be different. We will succeed.

And they don't realize that, you know, for example, this guy, this mayor of New York, when he's making a rap song, supporting Hamas, celebrating the five leaders of Hamas. You know what I mean?

And these people voted for this guy? You know, Hamas with are the ones that are raping women.
That are killing babies. That are -- you know, who are you voting for? Who are you supporting?

And then they say things like queers for Palestine, or gays for -- for -- you know, Palestine.

What are you doing? They would murder you. They have murdered gay people, in Palestine. They still do! And how are you supporting somebody who wants you dead, like the -- it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

So I honestly can't answer that question for you.

All I can say, they must be so indoctrinated, that they're not even using the rational thinking skills at all.

They're just in their little tiny simplistic memes on TikTok. Tell them oppressor. Oppressed.

White/brown.

This is your little equation. Everything can fit into here.

Right? Good guys wear white hats. Bad guys wear black hats. And there's no gray area. There's no nuance.

It's simplistic thinking, like Sesame Street-level thinking for simplistic minds, and it unfortunately works.

And what's really sad, is it's working on our Ivy League university students.

It's not just working on your average, uneducated or young people.

GLENN: You know, I feel sometimes like just a -- I'm a self-educated man. Sometimes I feel like such a boob on how much I've missed.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: I just said to my staff, and I don't know if you ever watched me or, you know, know anything about me, Yasmine.

YASMINE: Of course, I do.

GLENN: But when I was at Fox, I said every night. And it was a prompting from God. I mean, he told me, fall on your sword on this. And so I did it every single day. That the Communists, the leftists, the Marxists, the Communists, the anarchists, and the Islamists would band together, come after Israel, to stabilize the Middle East. Then Europe. They would travel over here. It would be the end of the western world, if we didn't wake up.

And I was just mocked relentlessly for that. And we are seeing it happen in realtime. And tonight, I'm doing a show where I'm -- I'm showing you, what's happening in Europe.

I'm showing you what the -- the stage is here.

And I just said to Nathan, one of our researchers and writers.

I just said to him, a couple days ago.

I said to him, would you do me a favor, and research the end of the Shahs. Because what we know about the Shah is he was corrupt. And he was a puppet of the United States.

And that's what caused everything.

I said, but I don't really know how the collapse happened. All I know, they were listening to rock 'n' roll music.

They were dressed like Westerners.

The next thing you know, it's Sharia law.

And I said, how does it happen, so quickly?

Because that's what I feel like is coming for Europe.

And for you to just say, that's why I feel so foolish. For you to say, that this was the Islamists. And the communists. And the socialists. And all of those people working together.

How did I miss that this has been already done before?

YASMINE: Yeah. Unfortunately, it's already been done before. And it's been successful before. So that's why they keep repeating it.

And it's unfortunately successfully happening today.

Like you said, everything you said was prophetic.

It's happening right now, in real time.

We're watching it happen.

After October 7th, a lot of people were just staring in shock and horror, at how quickly everything could erupt.

At how quickly things could change.

And those of us who were paying attention were just devastated. Because we could see this happening.

Like, we were watching it.

But we -- you know, still I have to say, the -- the -- the speed of it was shocking to me.

And by October 8th, they were already celebrating paragliders and celebrating Hamas.

GLENN: I know.

YASMINE: And screaming gas the Jews. And like, it did not take a heartbeat. They did not for one second -- like, bodies are still warm, and they were already turning on the victims of October 7th. Like it was -- it was absolutely mind-blowing. They didn't even have the -- they dropped their masks completely. They didn't even pretend to care.

GLENN: You know, I said recently, that even the Germans tried to hide it.

YASMINE: Yeah.

GLENN: The Germans tried to hide their atrocities. These guys put it on Facebook and put it on, you know, X. And Instagram.

It's insane! They're proud of all of this.

YASMINE: Yep.

GLENN: I've got -- I've only got two minutes left. And then we're going to break. And then I will talk to you about some other things. Can you just tell me. You were forced to marry at 19. How did this nightmare finally end for you? Two minutes.

YASMINE: Yeah. At 19, my mom -- I'll be very quick. I'll try my best. So my mom chose a man who she said, and I quote, who is strong enough to control you. And so she chose an al-Qaeda terrorist.

GLENN: Literally?

YASMINE: And I was supposed to marry him.

GLENN: Literally.

YASMINE: Literally, he's in prison in Egypt right now for his terrorism.

He got a long story behind him. But we don't have the time for me to get into it. But obviously marrying him, you know, somebody who was -- beat me and swear at me and spit on me and covered me head to toe in black, he used to cover the windows in paper, to make sure that if the curtains moved, nobody would see me inside.

Literal prison with this man. And I had to accept being raped and beaten by him because according to the hadith, a man has that right to do that to his wife. And so who was I going to complain to? If the creator of the universe, if Allah the Almighty had sanctioned this action. Then who am I -- what am I going to do? So, of course, I ended up getting pregnant.

And I have a young daughter. And when him and my mom started talking about taking my daughter to Egypt to get female genital mutilation done on her.

That's when I had to escape.

GLENN: Yasmine, we're going to continue our conversation with you in just a second. I don't know honestly, how you can be a human being and hear this story, and not feel to the center of your being, how evil this is. And how it is only right and righteous to stand up against it. And wake your neighbors, before it's all of us.
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GLENN: You might have heard earlier today, in the broadcast, if you've missed it, grab the podcast. It's hour number two.

I talked about some of the changes that are coming in my life, in January.

And they're -- it's quite extensive.

But it's hard to lay out all at once.

But I laid out a little bit more.

And one of the things that is changing in my life is, I'm going to be very, very -- very, very focused on a few things, and trying my best to stand up and be very clear, on the things that I think are real dangers.

And Islamism is -- is probably the greatest threat to the western civilization right now.

And it is a fruition of the chalkboard that I told you about in 2009.

You know, that the Islamists and -- and radicals and communists, would all gather together.

And they would try to destabilize the world.

They would go after Israel and Europe. And then it would come to the United States. And it would be the end of the western civilization.

And we're here. If you don't see it yet. Watch tonight's special on Blaze TV.

9 o'clock. Eastern time.

It will be on my YouTube page. YouTube.com/GlennBeck on tomorrow.

But we will lay all of this out for you. Because it's really important. And then beginning next year, I will be doing some things that will empower you to take steps to be a leader in your own life, with your own friends, and your own community.

Because we're going to need citizen leadership. So listen to that at GlennBeck.com.

Also, you might want to go back. If you just joined us. And listen to this whole hour.

I spent a whole hour with Yasmine Mohammed.

She's a human rights activist. She's the author of the book called Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam. She wrote it back in 2019. It was released in 2019.

But it is so powerful, right now.

Right now, it's -- read this book.

Unveiled. How western liberals empower radical Islam.

Because it is exactly what I'm talking about.

What is coming. And exactly what we're seeing on our own streets.

She just spent an hour talking about her background. It's brought me to tears, several times. I don't know about you. But let me bring her back on. And, Yasmine, thank you for holding again. And I want to talk to you about how the war with Israel and Iran and then the United States coming in, you know, there's -- there's people that say Donald Trump is selling out, you know, all of his values. Because he's getting us into another war.

I don't think he is.

I was a little nervous about us dropping, you know, the bunker buster bombs ourselves. Because to me, that is an act of war. And worried about how they were going to retaliate. Because I think -- well, I know their sleeper cells are all over in the United States. And in Europe.

But I'm torn, because this is something that we have to take care of.

Every president since Bill Clinton says, we cannot allow them to have a nuclear bomb, but I don't know if they do or not.

But destabilization over in the Middle East is -- has not worked out to anybody's advantage. But I would like to point out, I haven't seen any of the major players in -- in the Middle East.

Egypt. Saudi Arabia. UAE. Even Syria, say anything at all about the Israelis.

I think they're all right in line with, okay. Go ahead. Chop the head off the snake here.
Do you think I'm reading that wrong?

YASMINE: Yeah. No, I think you're absolutely correct.

Of course, yes. You were talking about destabilization of the Middle East. Iran is the major funder of terrorism across the Middle East. Everybody knows it.

Syrians are victims of them. Israelis are victims of them. Everybody. Right?

Afghanis, round and round and round. Everybody is victimized by these purveyors of terrorism.

So, yeah, that's why you're not hearing anybody complaining. Because they're fine with it. They're like, yes. Please, go ahead. And cut off the head of the snake.

It is scary. Obviously. War is scary. Nobody wants war. Obviously, I was very concerned for the people of Iran. Very concerned for the people of Israel.

GLENN: Correct. Correct.

YASMINE: And dropping bombs.

GLENN: And us.

YASMINE: And there's military bases. Yeah, of course.

GLENN: All of us.

YASMINE: All of us. But, you know, sometimes it's necessary, because there's -- the Islamic regime of Iran have already shown us how incredibly evil and bloodthirsty they are, in the 50 years of their reign.

They -- they could not be more clear.

They have said it over and over and over again. How they want to see all of our destruction. And they have no problem murdering their own people. Do you think they'll have a problem murdering Americans, or -- or murdering Europeans or Israelis?
Or, you know, anybody else. They don't care. This is all for their belief system.

They have this -- this ideology, that makes them believe that what they are doing is righteous. And that's all they can stay single-mindedly focused on that.

And, you know, people think, I actually had somebody say to me once in the most naive way. He said, if Israel is annihilated, then Iran will just stop. Then it will be okay. Right?

STU: I had somebody -- I had somebody call me on the air, years ago. And say, it -- we don't have a problem with Jews.

If we just didn't have a problem with these Jews. There wouldn't be a problem with Jews. Like, oh, okay.

I know. I know. I know.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Can you take me through?

I wasn't aware of the prison that was hit. Which is not a nuclear target.

I don't think I have heard this from anyone. Can you explain this?

What happened, and why it's so significant?

YASMINE: Well, every president, where they put all of their political prisoners.

So basically anybody who is protesting against the regime, or women who are imprisoned for not wearing a hijab. Right?

So it's a prison that is full of innocent people, who are fighting against this regime.

And so for the -- one of the bombs, from Israel.

Was almost like a gift from the heavens. For it to come down.

And open the doors of that prison, so that people could escape.

It was a message to the Iranians. That we see you. We hear you.

We support you.

We acknowledge you.

We understand what you are fighting.
And we are here to back you up. And so it really filled us all with a sense of hope, that this could finally be it.

Because you have to remember, Glenn. The people of Iran have been fighting this regime since day one!

They -- they -- they have murdered hundreds of thousands of people, almost immediately, after they took power.

GLENN: I know.

YASMINE: Whether it was women refusing to wear hijabs. Or people refusing to bend the knee to their regime. Right?

And they've constantly been doing that, every single day.

Executing people. Throwing them in prison.

Disappearing them. And so the Iranian people have been fighting for so long. And it felt like a moment, where finally, they could finally be free from this regime.

GLENN: Think of the -- think of the meaning behind that. After we went back and forth and back and forth, if that's even true.

About, you know, bombing Auschwitz.

Bombing the train lines. So they couldn't -- can you imagine if we could have set those people free.

And we never did it. And now the Israelis with that experience saying, we will set these people free.

Because they know exactly what the regime is. I think that's amazing. Let me -- let me ask you this: You know, we've had regime change in the Middle East. And it never really works out really well.

YASMINE: Yes. This is true.

GLENN: However, is there a -- you know, it's because we've never found a Nelson Mandela. We've never found somebody who is strong enough that has been standing up against. I don't think the Shah is the guy.

I mean, I've never seen him before. He's not leading press conferences for the last 40 years. Saying, this has got to stop.

Who is it, that could lead that?

YASMINE: Agreed.

I think that they don't need a person, right now. They need a democracy.

And I think that's what they want. Really, I agree with you. What you're saying as well.

Because that's just going back to modern day. A lot of Iranians will disagree with me. And it's up to them to choose what they want for their country.

But the reason why the regime change has never worked in any of the other countries in the Middle East, is because the people were so different.

They were not the Iranian people. They were not the Persian people.

GLENN: Right. Right.

YASMINE: So those are people who have been colonized. They have been colonized by this regime.

This Islamic regime of Iran.

Has, you know, criminalized them, practicing their own traditions. Speaking their own language.

Killing, you know, minority groups like the Bahá'ís, this is what they do.

And so the people of Iran. It's not like they believe in the ideology.

They don't believe in the Islamic regime of Iran.

They are prisoners. They are hostages in their own country. To this regime.

Whereas, that same thing can't be said for, you know, Iraq. For example. Under Saddam Hussein.

The reason why it turned into ISIS after that was because the people believed in the religious ideology.

They were into that sectarian. The divide between Shiites and Muslims. And they didn't see a problem with ISIS taking Yazidi women as sex slaves, and burning them alive, if they refused.

They were okay with all of that because that was part of their ideology too. Right? Whereas the Iranian people do not agree with this ideology.
Most people in Iran are atheist or, you know, Jewish people. Different. All sorts of different religions.

But they are not these religious extremists. That the Islamic regime of Iran are.

Those are completely like a -- like a foreign entity that is a toxic foreign entity. That has taken over their country.

GLENN: I have so many people that I know, that, you know, maybe have stopped watching news. Or they just think it's all bad news.

And nothing ever changes.

And I'm -- I'm doing this special tonight. On what's happening in Europe.

What is happening in Europe, I think is terrifying. I -- I have told my wife and kids. I've taken my granddaughter to Paris, you know, not telling her this. You know, she's young.

But I want to take lots of pictures. Because I think that you, you know, ten years from now, it may not look anything like this.

And we may not be able to go to Europe, and be safe.

And I feel like we're in the 1930s, you know, of Europe.

And how -- how would you get the average person, who is not paying attention, or who says, you know. This is hyperbole.

And, you know, what do you know?

What would you say to people, when you -- when you show them things that are happening, not just in Europe, but in our own country, a/k/a, what happened in our streets with the free Palestine riots and what is happening all across, you know, Michigan and Minnesota. And now, with the new election of the -- the possible mayor, at least the democratic candidate that was elected, who was for the intifada.

YASMINE: Uh-huh. Yeah. So people who don't see a problem with anything are living in this privileged bubble where other people's problems are not their problem. They're not seeing it.

So when I was in France, I was -- there were areas of France, that I would go to. Where I would physically feel unsafe. And to be honest, just triggered.

Like PTSD, flare-ups. Because I'm seeing groups of Arab men, loud Arab speaking going on. There's nothing -- you look at the buildings. And it's like, this looks like a French building, but there's nothing French about this environment that I'm standing in right now.

I'm not even hearing the French language as I'm walking around this French market. All I'm hearing is Arabic.

So it is absolutely -- same thing as I was saying about Iran. And same thing about -- 57 countries around this world are Muslim majority.

How did it become that way. Right? They were colonized by these people. So what ends up happening, is like this slow frog boil.

And most people aren't going to see it, until they see it.

And once they see it, it's too late. And the example of what you're saying about what we fear in the West, is exactly that.

If you're not hearing the -- if you're not hearing it blaring in cities across the US, if you're not living in one of those cities and you're not concerned, you don't -- you have the privilege of not caring. Right?

But the people that are living in it. Let's talk about the UK, for example, like all of the pockets of, like, looting and all those areas that, you know -- it's just -- it's horrendous.

It's literally like, he doesn't know to tell you.

It's like little pockets of -- you know.

Tehran. In the middle of the United Kingdom.

GLENN: Yasmine.

YASMINE: So if you don't live there. Then people just don't have a clue.

GLENN: Thank you. Thank you for being so brave.

Thanks for being on the program and kind of letting me wreck your day, by rearranging all the things you had planned.

The name of the book is Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam. It is a must-read.

And I -- we will have you on again.

Thank you so much, Yasmine. I appreciate it.

YASMINE: Thank you so much, Glenn.
I appreciate it as well. Have a wonderful day, take care.

GLENN: You too.

Yasmine Mohammed, author of Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam. She is so very right on all of this stuff.

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The ONE “forever war” Glenn Beck supports

This Fourth of July, Glenn Beck reveals the only “forever war” he supports. It’s the war Americans have been fighting since our nation’s founding, and we must continue the fight…

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GLENN: Two hundred forty-nine years ago, I think it is tomorrow. Right? Is tomorrow the second, or is it the first?

What day is it today?

So it was 200 -- 249 years ago, tomorrow, that somebody sat alone, in a -- in a one-room hotel room.

And scratched out the words, when in the course of human events. Those are the first six words of a document that is so dangerous!

Still today, so revolutionary.

It was whispered in those candle lit rooms by men who knew. Knew. That if I signed this document, that's a death warrant.

I'm dead!

I'm dead.

But in the course of human events, shh.

Jefferson wrote them!

33 years old. Adams would later say, you do well to revere Jefferson. But he didn't write alone. Basically, I was there too.

And so was Ben Franklin. The ideas were forged in the minds of men like Franklin, who is old enough to know better. And Adams, who was stubborn enough, not to care. And they weren't perfect men. But I love this about the left. They try to make you think.

That you think are perfect. I don't think they were perfect! I mean, Ben Franklin used to walk around naked in his house a lot. That shows, I mean, for as smart as that guy was. It shows, maybe he had a lack of mirrors. But they weren't perfect!

They owned slaves. They argued. They compromised.

How does that make them different than us?
I mean, we should be able to relate to them!

What is it that we tolerate right now?
What is it that we compromise on?

What is it -- what are our failures that future generations are going to go, these people just didn't get it? Perhaps what we should notice is that they, unlike most of us. They were willing to gamble their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

For something that had never, ever been done before. Something entirely new!

The idea that rights don't come from a government, or from a king, or from a parliament.

They don't come from the majority voting. Everyone has certain rights.

You know, for all these people who are, you know -- going in Macy's, and burning down towns. And then stealing clothing. And they're like, because I've been oppressed!

And you can't -- I've got rights, you know.
Yeah. Yeah.

You know who the first people were, to articulate those rights?

You know the only country that actually has stood for those rights?

And we're imperfect!

That idea came from the Founders, that you say you hate.

But the actual rights come from God, which you dismiss!

Think of this. Just ponder this for a second.

That all men are created equal! That their rights are given to them, by a creator.

It's not a political assertion. It's a genius. That's eternal truth!

That's theological dynamite, lobbed straight in to the thrones of Europe.

All over the world, it's still dynamite.

They knew what they were doing.

And I don't mean like, they knew what they were doing.

They had it. No. They knew that the British crown had the largest military force in the world. And these guys, they were farmers. They were printers. They were lawyers. They were a ragtag collection of intellectual and idealists, facing down an empire, where they said, the sun never set on the British empire. Meaning, the colonialism was everywhere!

You could not escape England. And yet, they declared it. We're leaving, without apology!

And they said that when a government becomes destructive of the ends of liberty, life, and the pursuit of happiness, it's not only the right of the people, it's their duty to throw it off!

Wow. And you know what is amazing? That's not rebellion.

That's -- that's not revolution. That's -- that's responsibility.

That -- that kind of language today, that would have you flagged, shadow banned. Labeled an extremist. In most countries, disappeared!

But that is the foundation of what we call America. The American experiment. And it's that. The American experiment.

And it's just that, an experiment. We didn't know if we could get it right. And we haven't gotten it right. But isn't it worth experimenting?

Isn't it worth trying to get that concept right?

When you fail on that concept, you're like, eh. That's a stupid idea.

That's not a stupid idea. That's the greatest idea of all time.

Why are so many people willing to just quit?

The experiment is self-rule. It's not perfect.

Never has been. Slavery. Jim Crow. Internment camps. Assassinations.

My God! Forgive us, for what we have done.

But at the same time, what nation has done more to correct its own errors?

What people have shed more blood, not for conquest, but for freedom.

Twice in the last century, we crossed oceans. Not to claim territory. But to liberate that territory!

Our sons and daughters fought and bled on foreign soil to push the darkness back, to fight against Naziism and fascism and Communism. And here we are. Here we are today.

After 249 years tomorrow of that experiment, standing at the lip of the very abyss, those men feared.

A godless chaos, rising in the east and a cold atheistic utopia, clawing at the foundations of the Western world. Islamism and Communism, two ideologies that have killed tens of millions of people. Now dressed all in new robes, selling old lies.

And we can't even teach a child where their rights come from. We have replaced Jefferson and Adams with TikTok influencers and bureaucratic groupthink.

We're raising generations to not even know the truth about their own identity.

But to question their identity. And they could be, oh, you're a funny, funny colored unicorn today. What do you want to be tomorrow?

We don't teach them anything about truth, or their inheritance, most importantly. Their inheritance. What good are hot dogs and fireworks, if the soul of the nation is up for auction? What is the meaning in Fourth of July, if we have forgotten the why? If we don't even call it Independence Day anymore. Most people don't even know who we fought against for independence.

They think we fought for its independence! Most people think we fought the South!

And yet, we'll light the sparklers, or blow our fingers off, because we're just that stupid.

This Independence Day weekend, would you do me and yourself and your country a favor, and read the words out loud. Speak the words out loud.

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands, which have connected them with one another.

And to assume among the powers of earth, the separate, but equal station, to which the laws of nature.

And nature's God entitle them.

A decent respect to the opinions of mankind, requires that they should declare the causes, which impair them to the separation.

What are they saying?

Look, we want to be decent people.

We want to be decent people.

And we have to separate them.

But we believe it's only right that we tell you why we have to separate. And it's not because of all the bad things you've done. We'll get to those later. It's because we're different. And you don't understand. You have been telling us all of these things, we no longer believe in. We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal, and they're endowed by their creator with certain inalienable. Unchangeable rights.

And just among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, government are his instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

My gosh. Read those words. And let your children hear what thinking and courage sounds like.

That to secure these rights, I'm telling you, the king, who thinks that your government was given to you, by God.

And you are the ruler.

And you will tell everybody what to think, what to do. What to buy. What to sell. What to tax. What not to tax. Who gets land. Who doesn't get land.

No, no, no. Government are his instituted among men, deriving their powers, their just powers, from the people. And that government is only there, established by those men to protect the rights that God has given each of those men.

Let them feel the chill, that runs down the spine, when Jefferson writes, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the government, or from the governed. Let them hear the words, of -- of responsibility. What responsibility sounds like, with courage and freedom. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these rights, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

And to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their a lot of and happiness.

In other words, you have the right, you have the responsibility to stop tyrants. And if the government has gone bad, to throw that government off.

But reconstitute a government, that will do a better job at protecting those rights. Not to form a communist government.

Not to do anything else. But you want a new government?

Fine! Let's find the way to make men more free. This is not a metaphor. This is a declaration of war on tyranny in all of its forms.

I mean, I said, yesterday, freedom isn't free.

It was paid for by somebody's blood. But you have to remember, they paid for their freedom, not for our freedom, necessarily.

We -- there comes a time, we have to pay for our freedom. And God forbid, that it comes down to blood.

But at least shake off the apathy. We -- we must renew this promise of this experiment of America.

We need to fight for it as well. An out-of-control government that seeks to rope us into forever wars, over and over again. We're all against forever wars. I'm against it.

I hate them.

But there is one forever war, that is required in a free society. A different kind of forever war.

A war against ourselves, a war against human nature in each of us. Because of human nature, we get fat. We get lazy.

We get tolerant of abuses. Let your children hear you speak these words. And when you speak them, ponder them yourself.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes.

And accordingly, all experience has shown, that mankind is more disposed to suffer while the evils are sufferable than to right themselves, by abolishing the forms in which they're accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a sign to reduce them under absolute despotism.

It's their right. It's their duty. To throw off such government. And provide new guards for such future security.

In one paragraph, we make the point twice. And they tell us, look, we've studied people.

We know you're going to get fat and lazy and apathetic. And you won't want to do stuff for transient causes. Because this is really not good.

But when push comes to shove. And everything is moving towards absolute despotism. Absolute tyranny. Then you must stand up.

I ask you to ponder this. This particular part, when a long train of abuses and usurpations. Prudence will indeed dictate that governments long established should not be exchanged for light and transient causes.

And accordingly, all experience has shown, that mankind is more disposed to suffer while the evils suffer, than to right themselves.

Aren't we exactly the same people, that their experience was talking about?

Aren't we the people that are more disposed to suffer, than to right ourselves? Because we're too comfortable. Or we're too afraid, just to stand up and simply say no to lies.

No!

There is a difference between men and women.

No! Communism is to be feared. It's killed over 100 million people, in the last 100 years.

No!

Muslims aren't bad. Islamism is!

It's evil. No!

You can peacefully protest, any time, any place. And I will fight to the death for your right to do that.

But when you start burn cities down to the ground, no!

We're just a few days away. And we have marked our 249th birthday. Maybe. Just maybe, this year, can we stop asking what America was, and start deciding what America will be?

Where it just slips quietly into history. In the dark of apathy and ignorance.

Because the only thing more dangerous than tyranny is the people who have forgotten what it took to break its chains.