NSA whistleblower explains why she disagrees with Michele Bachmann

Yesterday, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) joined the radio program for what Glenn described as a ‘battle of the titans.’ Rep. Bachmann sought to explain her reasoning behind voting against an amendment that would have defunded the NSA program that allows the government to collect phone records. She even went so far as to argue on behalf of the program prior to the vote. Despite her bet attempts, Glenn was still not persuaded to change his position.

This morning on radio, Diane Roark, a NSA whistleblower and former staff member of the House Intelligence Committee, called in to discuss her experience and to explain why she disagrees with Rep. Bachmann’s analysis of the agency. In March, Roark appeared on the first episode of TheBlaze’s investigative news magazine For The Record: Surveillance State.

“Well, Michelle was on yesterday and she was making claims that there's no evidence that any of this stuff is happening,” Glenn said. “If they aren't collecting, then why do we have the NSA collection facility?”

Glenn then introduced Roark to the program. Like Rep. Bachmann, Roark served on the House Intelligence Committee and would be familiar with the information she has access to and is basing her judgments off of. In many respects, Roark explained that the Committee staff actually has access to more information than the congressmen because it is there responsibility to provide the applicable research.

“Okay, so I asked you yesterday if you would listen to the interview [with Rep. Bachmann] and tell me if I was wrong, or if she had information – you don't have current information – but if you could explain to me how I was seeing it, and I was misguided or how she was seeing it and she was misguided,” Glenn said to Roark.

“Yes, her main point was that all of the speculation about government collection of the contents of both e-mails and phone calls was incorrect, and that she had tracked this down, mainly by going to General Keith Alexander, the head of NSA and asking him about it, and he had denied that the contents were collected,” she explained. “She admitted they are collecting the metadata on U.S. citizens, but they didn't seem to bother her. She only alluded to it once. What she was mainly focused on was they were not allegedly collecting the content of either e-mails or phone calls.”

Roark, however, does not agree with Rep. Bachmann’s claims. “I believe there's plenty of evidence that they have collected some content at least on phone calls and on e-mails,” she said. “They collected content from the beginning, and there's quite a bit of evidence on that, including my own personal experience.”

“Do you care to get into that,” Glenn asked.

“Yes. When Bill Benny [former NSA intelligence officer and whistleblower] first came to me, he told me about the collection of both e-mail and phone calls,” Roark explained. “And then actually I and some other staffers were briefed on one line of collection of e-mails in early March of 2002, about a month before I retired. And at that briefing, they also discussed that they were doing three hops. I don't know if you have gotten into this. What this means is that they were going way out to collecting a lot of information. So if a foreign person contacted a U.S. person, they would collect not only that conversation, but one hop beyond that, which is to the next person – to the person in the U.S. who he called, and that's one hop. And then the second hop is what the people he called in turn. And then a third hop, to whom all those people also called.”

“Mathematically, this involves a huge number of people, especially when you get out to the third hop,” she continued. “And Chris Inglis, the deputy director of NSA, finally admitted last week that they were actually collecting sometimes out to the third hop… I knew from my briefing it was way out to the third hop, so I know they are collecting even phone content out to the third hop, at least sometimes, and he admitted it.”

In the past, the NSA had only admitted to going as far as the ‘second hop’ in terms of the scope of its data collection. But based on Roark’s previous knowledge (dating back nearly a decade) and the recent admissions from the NSA, it looks as though someone, somewhere along the line has been lying.

“That's my real problem, is that they have already proven themselves to be liars, and so they have already been caught in these lies, and they say, ‘No, we are not doing that.’ ‘Well, okay, we are doing that, but we aren't doing the really bad stuff,’” Glenn said. “Why should I believe you? You have absolutely no credibility.”

“I absolutely agree with you. I don't understand why the Committee goes only to those people who are defending their own record and doesn't call in any of the critics, any of the other people. I just don't understand it. And they don't ask tough questions, even the House Judiciary Committee asked tough questions last week,” Roark concluded. “The House and Senate Intelligence Committees have been in the forefront of defending this. They have defended it far more than President Obama has.”

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Eric Weinstein, managing director of investment firm Thiel Capital and host of "The Portal" podcast, is not a conservative, but he says conservative and center-right-affiliated media are the only ones who will still allow oppositional voices.

On "The Glenn Beck Podcast" this week, Eric told Glenn that the center-left media, which "controls the official version of events for the country," once welcomed him, but that all changed about eight years ago when they started avoiding any kind of criticism by branding those who disagree with them as "alt-right, far-right, neo-Nazi, etc.," even if they are coming from the left side of the aisle. But their efforts to discredit critical opinions don't stop there. According to Eric, there is a strategy being employed to destroy our national culture and make sure Americans with opposing views do not come together.

"We're trifling with the disillusionment of our national culture. And our national culture is what animates the country. If we lose the culture, the documents will not save us," Eric said. "I have a very strongly strategic perspective, which is that you save things up for an emergency. Well, we're there now."

In the clip below, Eric explains why, after many requests over the last few years, he finally agreed to this podcast.

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Glenn Beck: Why MLK's pledge of NONVIOLENCE is the key to saving America

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Listen to the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s pledge of nonviolence and really let it sink in: "Remember always that the nonviolent movement seeks justice and reconciliation — not victory."

On the radio program, Glenn Beck shared King's "ten commandments" of nonviolence and the meaning behind the powerful words you may never have noticed before.

"People will say nonviolent resistance is a method of cowards. It is not. It takes more courage to stand there when people are threatening you," Glenn said. "You're not necessarily the one who is going to win. You may lose. But you are standing up with courage for the ideas that you espouse. And the minute you engage in the kind of activity that the other side is engaging in, you discredit the movement. You discredit everything we believe in."

Take MLK's words to heart, America. We must stand with courage, nonviolently, with love for all, and strive for peace and rule of law, not "winning."

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Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place with Section 230 and Big Tech censorship. We don't want more government regulation, but have we moved beyond the ability of Section 230 reforms to rein in Big Tech's rising power?

Rachel Bovard, Conservative Partnership Institute's senior director of policy, joined the Glenn Beck radio program to give her thoughts and propose a possibly bipartisan alternative: enforcing our existing antitrust laws.

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Dan Bongino, host of The Dan Bongino Show, is an investor in Parler — the social media platform that actually believes in free speech. Parler was attacked by Big Tech — namely Amazon, Apple, and Google — earlier this week, but Bongino says the company isn't giving up without a fight. In fact, he says, he's willing to go bankrupt over this one.

Dan joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to detail what he calls a "smear" campaign behind the scenes, and how he believes we can move forward from Big Tech's control.

"You have no idea how bad this was behind the scenes," Dan told Glenn. "I know you're probably thinking ... well, how much worse can the attack on Parler have gotten than three trillion-dollar companies — Amazon, Apple, and Google — all seemingly coordinated to remove your business from the face of the Earth? Well, behind the scenes, it's even worse. I mean, there are smear campaigns, pressure campaigns ... lawyers, bankers, everyone, to get this company ... wiped from the face of the earth. It's incredible."

Dan emphasized that he would not give up without a fight, because what's he's really fighting for is the right to free speech for all Americans, regardless of their political opinions, without fear of being banned, blacklisted, or losing jobs and businesses.

"I will go bankrupt. I will go absolutely destitute before I let this go," he said. "I have had some very scary moments in my life and they put horse blinders on me. I know what matters now. It's not money. It's not houses. It's none of that crap. It's this: the ability to exist in a free country, where you can express your ideas freely."

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