NSA whistleblower explains why she disagrees with Michele Bachmann

Yesterday, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) joined the radio program for what Glenn described as a ‘battle of the titans.’ Rep. Bachmann sought to explain her reasoning behind voting against an amendment that would have defunded the NSA program that allows the government to collect phone records. She even went so far as to argue on behalf of the program prior to the vote. Despite her bet attempts, Glenn was still not persuaded to change his position.

This morning on radio, Diane Roark, a NSA whistleblower and former staff member of the House Intelligence Committee, called in to discuss her experience and to explain why she disagrees with Rep. Bachmann’s analysis of the agency. In March, Roark appeared on the first episode of TheBlaze’s investigative news magazine For The Record: Surveillance State.

“Well, Michelle was on yesterday and she was making claims that there's no evidence that any of this stuff is happening,” Glenn said. “If they aren't collecting, then why do we have the NSA collection facility?”

Glenn then introduced Roark to the program. Like Rep. Bachmann, Roark served on the House Intelligence Committee and would be familiar with the information she has access to and is basing her judgments off of. In many respects, Roark explained that the Committee staff actually has access to more information than the congressmen because it is there responsibility to provide the applicable research.

“Okay, so I asked you yesterday if you would listen to the interview [with Rep. Bachmann] and tell me if I was wrong, or if she had information – you don't have current information – but if you could explain to me how I was seeing it, and I was misguided or how she was seeing it and she was misguided,” Glenn said to Roark.

“Yes, her main point was that all of the speculation about government collection of the contents of both e-mails and phone calls was incorrect, and that she had tracked this down, mainly by going to General Keith Alexander, the head of NSA and asking him about it, and he had denied that the contents were collected,” she explained. “She admitted they are collecting the metadata on U.S. citizens, but they didn't seem to bother her. She only alluded to it once. What she was mainly focused on was they were not allegedly collecting the content of either e-mails or phone calls.”

Roark, however, does not agree with Rep. Bachmann’s claims. “I believe there's plenty of evidence that they have collected some content at least on phone calls and on e-mails,” she said. “They collected content from the beginning, and there's quite a bit of evidence on that, including my own personal experience.”

“Do you care to get into that,” Glenn asked.

“Yes. When Bill Benny [former NSA intelligence officer and whistleblower] first came to me, he told me about the collection of both e-mail and phone calls,” Roark explained. “And then actually I and some other staffers were briefed on one line of collection of e-mails in early March of 2002, about a month before I retired. And at that briefing, they also discussed that they were doing three hops. I don't know if you have gotten into this. What this means is that they were going way out to collecting a lot of information. So if a foreign person contacted a U.S. person, they would collect not only that conversation, but one hop beyond that, which is to the next person – to the person in the U.S. who he called, and that's one hop. And then the second hop is what the people he called in turn. And then a third hop, to whom all those people also called.”

“Mathematically, this involves a huge number of people, especially when you get out to the third hop,” she continued. “And Chris Inglis, the deputy director of NSA, finally admitted last week that they were actually collecting sometimes out to the third hop… I knew from my briefing it was way out to the third hop, so I know they are collecting even phone content out to the third hop, at least sometimes, and he admitted it.”

In the past, the NSA had only admitted to going as far as the ‘second hop’ in terms of the scope of its data collection. But based on Roark’s previous knowledge (dating back nearly a decade) and the recent admissions from the NSA, it looks as though someone, somewhere along the line has been lying.

“That's my real problem, is that they have already proven themselves to be liars, and so they have already been caught in these lies, and they say, ‘No, we are not doing that.’ ‘Well, okay, we are doing that, but we aren't doing the really bad stuff,’” Glenn said. “Why should I believe you? You have absolutely no credibility.”

“I absolutely agree with you. I don't understand why the Committee goes only to those people who are defending their own record and doesn't call in any of the critics, any of the other people. I just don't understand it. And they don't ask tough questions, even the House Judiciary Committee asked tough questions last week,” Roark concluded. “The House and Senate Intelligence Committees have been in the forefront of defending this. They have defended it far more than President Obama has.”

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THESE TOP 10 Founding Fathers' quotes help us remember America's original vision

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Independence Day is one of the few days when Americans come together to celebrate our country and the continued vision that our Founding Fathers crafted in 1776. But what is that vision? It seems with every passing July 4th, Americans lose even more of a sense of what the original intent of our nation was supposed to be. It's becoming increasingly important to read the Founding Fathers in their own words and to remember the vision that they cast for our nation. Here are our TOP 10 favorite Founding Fathers' quotes to help us remember their original views of government, freedom, and the American vision.

"The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty." —James Madison

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"Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing." —Benjamin Franklin

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"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light." —George Washington

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"The people are the only legitimate fountain of power." —James Madison

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"I agree with you that it is the duty of every good citizen to use all the opportunities, which occur to him, for preserving documents relating to the history of our country." —Thomas Jefferson

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“Human passions unbridled by morality and religion… would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.” —John Adams

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"Those who stand for nothing will fall for everything." —Alexander Hamilton

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“The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” —James Madison

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"I fear that in every elected office, members will obtain an influence by noise, not by sense. By meanness, not greatness. By ignorance, not learning. By contracted hearts, not large souls. There must be decency and respect." —John Adams

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“We must go home to be happy, and our home is not in this world. Here we have nothing to do but our duty.” —John Jay

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We live in a dark time, so it is more important now than ever to make sure you are anchored to the truth.

Glenn was recently on the “Chicks on the Right” podcast for a follow-up interview after Amy Jo Clark and Miriam Weaver joined Glenn on his podcast back in March. The three dove into a lively discussion that touched on several things happening in Glenn's personal life, and Glenn delved into the importance of truth in our increasingly Orwellian society.

Glenn told the “Chicks” about his upcoming first novel for young adults, Chasing Embers, which is set in a dystopian world where the wildest WEF fantasies have come true and history has been completely rewritten. Glenn revealed that he was inspired to write the book while reading Karl Marx. He reflected on how Karl Marx was, and still is in many cases, considered this articulate revolutionary, but when compared to the words of the Founding Fathers, his articulation and arguments pale in comparison. He wanted to explore the idea, "What if Jefferson was the revolutionary again, not Marx?" Chasing Embers asks how we preserve the philosophies of the founders and the values of the Constitution so that our children have a chance to discover it if the world turns completely upside down.

Glenn also discussed how important it is to learn history, to anchor yourself in truth, God, and the Constitution, and our responsibility to preserve them in the face of the dystopian movement that is increasingly encroaching on Western civilization. Glenn described the country as "suicidal" and posited whether we can rein in a nation that is hurdling itself towards the brink. He said we can do our part to help, but unless the country decides it wants to live, it will die. We have to be prepared to endure such a scenario with our morals intact and the necessary knowledge to rebuild on hand.

Towards the end of the conversation, Glenn revealed some of the lessons he's learned in his decades on radio. He said that you have to know yourself--both the good and bad--be ready to defend your beliefs, and admit when you are wrong.

This is a podcast you won't want to miss. Click here to listen to the FULL discussion.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

For the past four years, the mainstream media has been covering for Biden, claiming that he is "fit for duty," despite the strong evidence to the contrary. But after the whole world saw just how "fit" Biden truly is during last night's disastrous debate, the illusion was completely shattered, and the media is scrambling to save face.

Glenn pointed out in his post-debate reaction on his radio show this morning that the mainstream media is in a panic. Biden's performance was so catastrophic that it seems like the Democrats might have to jump ship and find a new candidate. Meanwhile, the question is what to do with Biden between now and the election. Glenn pointed out that as commander-in-chief, Biden has the sole ability to respond to a nuclear threat to America, yet he can hardly complete a sentence.

People from across the political spectrum are reeling from this absolute disaster, weighing in on just how bad it was and making suggestions on how to move forward. We highlighted 10 of these responses below:

1. The Democratic Party is panicking 

2. Undecided voters lean away from Biden

3. Chip Roy calls on Kamala Harris to invoke the 25th Amendment

4. The Democrats look for a replacement 

5. The White House is called out on lies about Biden's health

6. Politico calls out Biden's "uneven" performance 

7. Joy Reid and Obama's crew panic over Biden's display of feebleness 

8. BU historian calls Biden debate 'worst performance by a candidate'

9. Van Jones calls Biden's debate performance 'painful'

10. Biden looked exactly like how conservatives claimed he looks 

​YOU made Target​ choose between profit and 'progress'

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Have you seen Target's newest pride month collection? Don't worry, you don't have to break your hard-won boycott streak to satisfy your morbid curiosity. Glenn took a look during a recent radio show. If you remember last year's display, you might be expecting horrors such as tuck-friendly bathing suits, chest binders for girls, and apparel made by a transgender Satan apologist. Fortunately, that's not what Glenn found. Instead, the collection was very tame, with one item being a charcuterie board with the phrase, "It's giving charcuterie" printed on it. So what happened? Did Target have a come-to-Jesus moment over the last year?

You. You are what happened.

The Target boycotts did exactly what they were supposed to do, they punched Target right in the wallet. According to the New York Post, Target lost a whopping TEN BILLION dollars in just ten days. You stood up for what you believed and Target had no choice but to listen. And this year's pride collection is proof that they heard you loud and clear.

"The inmates are now in charge of the asylum."

Now, this doesn't represent some change in the ethos of the company, but rather a desperate step back to protect their financial interests. The problem Target is now facing is that they don't have a whole lot of room to step back, as they have spent years cultivating a left-wing, progressive culture that really wants Target to take two steps forward instead. As Glenn said, "The inmates are now in charge of the asylum." These progressive activists within their company that they have pandered to for years don't take being told "no" very well. So when Target rolled back its pride collection, the internal backlash was immense.

Glenn's team was given access to leaked internal messaging within Target's Slack channel. The messages show the outcry of Target employees after Target announced they would be reducing the pride collection. Based on their reactions you would think they had just witnessed a national tragedy unfold. Some employees questioned if they could still work for Target after what had happened (remember, Target is still a VERY progressive company), and other employees discussed submitting ethics complaints. About a month after the internal firestorm, Target employees sent the following list of demands to leadership so that Target could atone:

  • An acknowledgment in writing, of the harm Target caused to the LGBTQ+ community.
  • A sincere apology.
  • To partner with prominent LGBTQ advocacy groups.
  • To immediately reinstate the Pride collection in full.
  • To donate to LGBTQ causes.
  • To implement sensitivity training for employees.
  • To cease all contributions to politicians and organizations that do not support the LGBTQ community.

Target has made a mistake.

By cultivating such a radical progressive community, they have placed themselves in a precarious position. On one side, there's the progressive monster they cultivated, with its ever-growing, ever-changing list of demands. On the other side, there are people like you—people who just want to shop without having to walk by transgender children's underwear. The more Target gives to the woke monster, the more they alienate their customers. Now Target is trapped—if they give in further to the woke mob, they'll lose billions of dollars, but if they don't, they'll be attacked from the inside.

So let Target serve as an example to other companies. Customers have a voice too, and when you stand up and use it, a great many things can happen.