GLENNFebruary 15, 2017

Is the Intelligence Community Systematically Targeting People Who Mislead the President?

Michael Flynn is not the first person the intelligence community has taken out of Trump's circle of influence. He's the second, at least by Glenn's count.

"Paul Manafort was the first. You remember, Paul Manafort, he has direct relations with some of the worst of the worst in the Dugin/Putin circle. And he was taken out early," Glenn said Wednesday on radio.

So what's going on with the intelligence community?

Jason Buttrill, former military intelligence personnel and current chief researcher for TheBlaze, joined the program to talk about his take on Flynn's removal and what it means for the Trump administration.

Enjoy the complimentary clip above or read the transcript below for details.

GLENN: I want to bring us -- I want to bring us to a different level and a different point of view on Russia and the General Flynn story.

I don't want to dwell on "he said, she said" why this is happening. I want to dwell on the facts that we do know.

Flynn is not the first person the intelligence community has taken out of the administration. Flynn is the second. At least by my count.

Paul Manafort was the first. You remember, Paul Manafort, he has direct relations with some of the worst of the worst in the Dugin/Putin circle. And he was taken out early. And that just kind of went away.

Flynn is now -- is now out. And this is the intelligence community hopefully making sure that we're not in bed with the bad guys over in Europe. But I don't know. I don't know exactly what's going on.

We have Jason Buttrill, who is former military intelligence and chief researcher for the program, who we have been working on Dugin and Russia for, how many years?

JASON: Oh, gosh. At least two, three.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Easy. Easy three. Maybe four.

Been watching them and warning against some of the things that are now starting to come out. And so let me just get an update from you on how you read the situation in Washington.

JASON: Well, it's funny. I got a -- I sent a tweet out, I think yesterday, a couple days ago, where I was look, "Good. You know, my boys, the intelligence community, are starting to do their job." And I got a firestorm of tweets coming back form people saying, like, "I find it hard to believe that, you know, some Obama-era appointees are joining forces to undermine Trump."

And I'm like, "No, that's not the issue. That is not the issue." This whole thing started when the intelligence community came to Trump and said, "Look, this is what's going on."

You know, they are -- we have a high probability, using the spy talk, high probability that they are involved in some of the hacking involved with the DNC and the election. There's very high probability.

But what he did was, he was listening to his advisers and said, "I don't care what you're saying. I don't care what you're saying. Basically, we've already got an agenda." Now, his mistake there was you cannot call out the intelligence community and just dismiss it because you have other policy -- you know, avenues that you're chasing. You cannot do that.

So what the intelligence community is doing, it's not because they like Obama or they're Obama appointees. What they're doing is saying, "Okay. Fine." I don't even think they necessarily think it's Trump's fault here. I don't think it is.

I think they're saying, "If you're not going to accept our intelligence, based off of the advisers you have around you, then we are going to specifically target those advisers that are giving you bad information."

This is a good thing. They're actually doing their job. Now, they don't have a responsibility to say, "We pledge unyielding allegiance to this man because he was voted in as president." That's not their job. Their job is to protect the United States and the Constitution. That is their job. And that's exactly what they're doing here. They're systematically targeting the people that are misleading and misguiding the president, and I think we should all be grateful for what they're doing.

GLENN: I am. Because that's the way I read it as well. And I -- like you said, I don't think Trump is involved at this level. I don't think he understands.

Stu and I were talking off the air a few minutes ago. Bannon does. Bannon gave a speech in Rome, where he spoke about Dugin cryptically, but he spoke about Dugin and what's going on, in glowing terms

STU: I wouldn't say it's glowing terms. I mean, he I think was aware of the danger. But overall liked the idea of -- of these movements.

GLENN: Correct. Of burn the place down to rebuild something new.

STU: And so I -- you know, it's worth seeing -- I mean, if you have time, I can tweet it out @worldofStu. But the entire thing is worth reading, if you want to look at the direction. Because Bannon has thought about this stuff for a long time. Unlike Trump who is obviously the public face of this. And, you know, he has real ability to move people and, you know, deal with the media and all those things. Where someone like Steve Bannon has been thinking about these things for a really long time in-depth and has talked about them publicly for a really long time.

So if you want to kind of see where the, you know, the movement is going or where the direction might be going behind the scenes, it's important to understand what he believes.

JASON: Yeah, and it's so important. Like you said, we pointed this out years ago. And at the time, when we pointed this out, they were like, "Who is this crazy guy that Glenn Beck is talking about? You know, this Dugin guy. And why should we care about what's going on in Europe and what Russia is doing over there?" I mean, I advise you to go back and look at some of those shows. They're still on TheBlaze: Red Storm Rising.

Go back and watch those. Because you can see, we pointed out, look, there's this guy named Aleksandr Dugin. He's an adviser to Putin. He's the one that initiated the invasion into Georgia and into the Ukraine. He's the one that was reaching out to all these far right groups over in Europe. And, again, people are like, "Why should we care?"

Well, the speech that Bannon gave, he was using the same exact lingo and language that they're using, that you'll hear Marine Le Pen using. That you'll hear Jobbik in Hungary using. All of these groups that are now -- Bannon was talking about UKIP before UKIP was even popular. This was way beyond Brexit even happened. This is way beyond Trump was even considered an actual legitimate candidate. Way beyond all that stuff. His language is exactly the same that Dugin and his group are using.

Now, during that speech, they were like, well -- and, again, you can hear these in a Dugin speech that was given I think in Hungary back in 2014, they said specifically, "There are things to be taken advantage of. There's movements in the world that we can take advantage of to seize power."

Now, they don't care if it's a far left movement. They don't care if it's a far right movement. They don't care if it's communism -- there's a rebirth of communism that's going to sweep the world. They're looking for a geopolitical advantage.

GLENN: In fact -- in fact, they don't believe in fascism, communism, and capitalism. They don't believe it. They believe there's a fourth way. And in Dugin's words, it is the combination of the best of capitalism, communism, and fascism.

JASON: Which can only happen after the rebirth, after this all burns down.

GLENN: Correct. I mean, it's very apocalyptic. It's very apocalyptic. And when you know that -- when you know that Bannon believes the whole world is going to burn down. You just want to be the guy who is standing there with the plan, you want to ask: What is your plan? What is your plan?

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: And the plan is not the Constitution. It's not a reset. It is -- and I can't say for Bannon that it's this fourth political theory. But it's not the Founders theory, I can promise you that.

And we have to understand -- I've said this for years. The entire -- the rules and the borders, everything, are all being redrawn. Right now, there are people who are standing in those rooms, looking at the maps and saying, "I'll take this. You take that. You'll do this. I'll do that." Those things are happening.

And best case -- least conspiratorial model is that somebody is around the sanest leaders of the world, and they're saying, "Look, this is what's happening in some of these really dangerous areas. And, look, the banking system is about to collapse. And, look, people have unrest." You know, we might want to pull the plug ourselves. We might want to be the ones that come out and be in front of this thing because maybe we'll be able to control the events as they begin to unfold. That never works. But you would be disappointed if somebody wasn't having that conversation with the president of the United States. They are doing those things now. And unfortunately, this is why, you know, Jason has said the -- the intelligence community is doing their job. They're taking bad guys away from the president.

Now, are they really away from the president? We asked this question with Van Jones. Or do they become more powerful?

JASON: I'm -- I'm concerned.

GLENN: Your mic just went off for some reason. I don't know why. Can we get mics to work in here? It's worried. It's only a national show.

STU: Shake it or something.

GLENN: The other thing I really want to talk about on this -- no, it's not working. Jeffy, could you --

JEFFY: Yeah.

GLENN: -- give a microphone again.

The -- the -- the other thing is, Bannon is trying currently to get -- I think is trying to get rid of Reince Priebus.

STU: That is the -- I mean, when you start seeing, we have White House sources at Breitbart who are saying, "You know who needs to go is Reince Priebus." Where do you think that's coming?

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Inside sources say that Reince Priebus is not -- is next to go because there's real problems and internal squabbling over Reince.

Well, where do you think that inside source is?

STU: The guy who used to run the website, potentially.

GLENN: Yeah, I mean, maybe it would be that guy.

STU: Or one of his underlings. He has several that he's brought over there.

GLENN: Right. I mean, so the next target of the Bannon crew seems to be Reince Priebus.

GLENN: Now your mic is still not working. Please, for the love of God.

PAT: You need to turn it on.

STU: He got a new mic by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, it should be on.

STU: Yeah. Still not working?

GLENN: Tell you what, we're going to take a break. And then we're going to try this new microphone thing out.

STU: I mean, is it just possible that the audience all kind of mentally voted and they didn't want to hear more from Jason?

GLENN: It could be. It is possible.

STU: Is it possible. Okay. Okay. Good.

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Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

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