GLENNApril 24, 2017

What 'School of Greatness' Author Lewis Howes Learned From the School of Hard Knocks

Lewis Howes, New York Times bestselling author and host of the wildly successful School of Greatness podcast, was named one of the top 100 entrepreneurs under 30. He went from making $250 a week and living on his sister's couch to being described as one of the five internet gurus who can make you rich. Bullied in school and challenged academically, Lewis joined Glenn in studio to talk about his amazing journey and the playground pivot point that drove him to success.

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Glenn: School of greatness, one of the top podcast, over 30 million downloads, detail magazine calls Lewis Howes one of the five Internet gurus who can make you rich. Named one of the top 100 entrepreneurs under 30. At 33, he has built and sold several multimillion-dollar online businesses, and here's the reason why he's on this program. He's from Ohio, he went from having a dream of being a professional football player, it ended in a snap, if you will of his arm or wrist. He went from making $200 -- $250 a week having food stamps, so he had food on the weekend to living on his sister's couch for two years?

LEWIS: Year and a half.

GLENN: Year and a half. Two years later making over a million dollars a year. And it's all because of a mindset, and I want to pick up the conversation. We don't like to bring people in until they sit down on the chair as we're inducing them. But a mistake happened. And he sat down on the chair, and we started talking, and this is going to be a Frank and open conversation. Because he sat down and said something about my story that you read up about my story.

LEWIS: I'm so inspired about what you created and I'm always interested about the origin story of someone who's so driven, so successful, and who has a massive impact on the world. Usually, when someone has a huge impact on a lot of lives, something happened or a series of events happened.

GLENN: Correct. That drives them.

LEWIS: That drives them.

GLENN: And we were talking about my mom's suicide. And he said "Well-- I mean, I don't have that. But.

LEWIS: Yeah, I was sexually abused when I was 5, I was raped by a man that I didn't know. The baby-sitter's son. By 8, my brother went to prison for four and a half years selling LSD to an undercover cop. My parents were always arguing and fighting and eventually got divorced, and I was bullied in school because I was a special needs learning disability student, you know? I had dyslexia, hard to read and write. You know, I --

GLENN: Yeah, yeah, whatever. Did you hear that Stu, he had his front quarter panel that he had to replace in his car. When was that? About 1998?

STU: Yeah, insurance covered it but --

GLENN: So, please, stop your whining, man. Stop your whining.

LEWIS: Yeah.

GLENN: I'm really inspired by people who I like pivot points, you know? Pivot points tell me everything you need to know about a man. Because life is not about what happens to you. I know that sounds trite, but it's not. It's about that moment that you say "I'm at the brink. I'm right here on the edge. And I'm either going to jump -- or I'm either going to fall off and die, or I'm going to jump because I've got an idea, and I want to do a different thing."

What was your pivot point? Where was your low point?

LEWIS: Well, there were many. For whatever reason, when I was picked last in elementary school playing a dodgeball game on the playground; right? I was picked last, it was two captains. Two guys in my class, they picked all the guys on the team, except for me, and then they started picking all the girls.

GLENN: Oh, boy.

LEWIS: And I remember I was the last picked by default to get on the team. And at that point it was, like, third or 4th grade, and I was, like, I'm never going to be picked last again. I'm going to train my mind or body or brain so that this never happens.

GLENN: Wow. Because I continued to be picked last.

[Laughter]

I just kind of went dead inside. So that's an interesting choice to make.

LEWIS: Yeah, that was a moment of time. Now it's so long ago. But there were so many moments where I continued to try to improve myself whenever something bad happened, I was, like. Okay. What can I do -- this is feedback for me. How can I be better? How can I improve my life? So my vision was to be a pro athlete, you know? That was my goal to be in pro sports because that's all I really knew how to do. I wasn't good in school, so I was, like, what's the other option? If I can get paid to play football and hang out with my buddies, awesome. So I just trained every single day to do that.

GLENN: And you really didn't pay attention in school.

LEWIS: I tried, but I couldn't consume the information or retain it. So it didn't matter how many tutors I had, how much I studied, it was just exhausting. I would read a page over and over for 20 minutes, and I couldn't remember what I was reading. So it was just really terrifying. And terrifying for me to read aloud when the teacher would say read aloud. I would just miss the simplest words. So it was intimidating, scary.

GLENN: Humiliating.

LEWIS: Yeah, humiliating, I was already being picked on. So I couldn't wait until the bell at 3:30 to go on the sports team and just let it all out.

GLENN: So you were the stereotypical dumb jock.

LEWIS: Yeah, I was. I was. And it was challenging, but I found kind of my niche in school@.

GLENN: You didn't get into the NFL. You made it into arena football. You were making $250 a week. A little different than the NFL.

LEWIS: It was so brutal because every week they're bringing in new guys who have a dream to play. There's, like, no rules in the arena football league, pretty much. It's like bush league. People are going so hard. They're doing any cheap shots they can. The referees don't really care. It's like the wild, wild west of football. It's so physical, you're pretty much landing on concrete every play, and there's walls, you're constantly getting banged up.

GLENN: You break your wrist.

LEWIS: I played wide receiver, so I don't have into the wall trying to catch a ball and snapped my wrist.

GLENN: That was it.

JEFFY: Did you catch it?

LEWIS: I did not, so it was even worse.

STU: Does it count as a drop when you break your wrist? I don't think it does.

GLENN: I think it does. It does.

PAT: Arena football is interesting in that the wall is the sidelines; right?

LEWIS: Yeah.

JEFFY: Indoor war, baby.

PAT: Surprising more guys don't do that. Get hurt like that.

GLENN: So then you go from, you know, making $250 a week to making nothing, living on food stamps.

LEWIS: And I was in college debt. I didn't graduate college yet. This was in 2007 when I was injured, so ten years ago in August.

GLENN: Oh, good now you're right up to the financial crash in Ohio.

LEWIS: Exactly, exactly. I don't have a college degree because I left early to try to make the NFL draft. You know, I didn't really have any skills, besides playing football, but that was gone now. And, again, 2008 and 2009, they weren't hiring for people who had MBAs and degrees in the first place, so I was out of luck. And a mentor of mine, you know, my sister, bless her heart, she just let me crash there for a long time and eat her macaroni and cheese or leftover food that she had. And I was living off about three credit cards at the time, so I didn't have any money coming in.

GLENN: Hang on a second. Were you at that point, were you still this bright eyed guy that you are now? Or were you depressed and, like, I'm just not going to make it?

LEWIS: A little bit of both.

GLENN: Okay.

LEWIS: I was depressed and sad that my career was over, and I thought I was going to come back. I was in a cast, so I broke my wrist, they took a bone out of my hip and put it right here because the bone crumbled so much, so they couldn't put a screw in it. So I have a big scar here from the hip surgery, and I was in a cast from here to here for six months.

GLENN: From his shoulder to fingers.

LEWIS: So my fingers could move, my thumb was tight, so I could just do this.

GLENN: So anybody who was coming or going, you were, like, hey. See you.

LEWIS: What's up, guys. You know the movie rookie of the year? Ever see that baseball movie?

GLENN: Yeah.

LEWIS: The kid had an arm cast and had superhuman strength afterward. I wasn't like that.

STU: Was that a documentary? Because that --

GLENN: Surprisingly, that I believe was a Disney movie.

LEWIS: Yes, exactly. So six months like this on my sister's couch, no money, you know? No college degree. 2008, 2009. And it was just kind of -- I thought I was going to be able to come back. I was, like, I'm going to be able to make it, I'm going to be strong enough. And after the cast came out, it was another year of me recovering just so I could bend the elbow and the wrist to get a certain amount of strength. So I realized. Okay. I'm probably not going to go back to the arena league and make 250 bucks a week and make it to the NFL, two or three years later, it's not going to happen. It was already, like, a tough spot for me.

STU: Is that a tough moment of realization?

LEWIS: Really tough. It took years for me to overcome, like, the feeling every, you know, fall that came around football season, it was hard to watch the game because I would play against guys in the NFL, like, oh, they're making it and look at the money that they're making and look at the opportunities and look at me here.

GLENN: Jeffy's son was in the NFL.

LEWIS: Oh, yeah?

GLENN: And was out within an injury.

JEFFY: Within a year, it was the same kind of feeling. In the end, it's been difficult. It's been, like, three years now.

LEWIS: It's your identity of. It's what you wrap your whole life up in. And when you don't have that, it's hard to move forward and feel confident.

GLENN: I think that happens -- I mean, I'll be real honest with you. This will be everywhere. Stu was saying don't.

STU: There's no point in going into where you're going.

GLENN: You don't even know where I'm going.

STU: Yes, I do. I've known you too long. I know where you're going.

JEFFY: Yes, we do.

GLENN: You know, yesterday, Tucker Carlson takes Bill O'Reilly's spot. Well, you know, I was at 5:00 and the 5:00 show moved up to 9:00 and Tucker moves to 8:00. All great stuff. I'm so thrilled for all of them. I really am, and I wouldn't go back to fox. I don't want to go back. But it is a weird thing to see, you know, would have been, could have been, whatever, and it plays with you. It does play with you. But I think that happens in everybody's life. Whatever it is you do, you see good people that you like, and you're, like, I wonder if I could have -- I wonder -- you know what I mean? It's hard.

LEWIS: Yeah, there's a guy that I played against in college named Pierre Garçon who's still playing wide receiver, and I played against him in the national champions. I went to a small D3 school, and he was a stud in the other D3 school, and I broke all of these school records against him. He didn't even do that well. And at the end of the game, he says "You're the best wide receiver I've ever seen." And I was, like, "Wow. Okay."

This guy was playing in the NFL for ten years saying this to me, I was, like, what could have happened? What if I just made one practice squad and caught a touchdown and they're, like, we're going to keep you want to a two-year contract, understandable you just never know.

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You know, what the American dream actually is, is that you can forge your own way.

You can -- you know, you can have a scrap of land, and grow your own food if up.

You can, you know, go to school. Not go to school.

You can find a job. If you're qualified for it, you have an equal chance of getting it, you know, based on merit.

But the percentage of Americans who say the American dream is retirement is 86 percent. Health care, 86 percent. Owning a home, 85. Raising two kids, 78. Owning a car, 72. Vacations, 71. Pets, 66. A wedding, 55 percent. That's the American dream, I can get married.

The American dream, if that's what you think, they've now estimated, the cost per household over the cost -- over the lifetime, retirement is $1.6 million. Owning a home now, 30-year mortgage, 20 percent you want to, is $957,594. Owning a car, buying and finance to begin with new cars every ten years is now $900,000 over your lifetime. Raising two kids to 18, plus four years of public college, $876,092. Two kids. Health care, over your lifetime, spending from ages 22 to 85, $414,000. Vacations, annual vacation from '22 to '85, $180,000. One dog and one cat for 11 to 13 years is $40,000!

That's more expensive than a wedding. The engagement ring, the ceremony, and the reception is now estimated to be $38,200.

There's a reason socialism is doing well. You look at that, and you're like, wow. I mean, if that's the American dream. And for a lot of people, that is the American dream!

That's not what the American dream is supposed to be, but, you know, once -- you know, once Woodrow Wilson and FDR got a hold of us and they started advertising, it became stuff instead of freedom. It became stuff. And, you know, when there's a new report out. Let me see if I have that.

There's a new report out now that shows, first time home buyers made up just 21 percent of the home purchases. That's the lowest on record.

The typical age of repeat buyers hit an all-time high of '62. The median downtowns, reaching 23 percent.

The highest since 2023.

And also, where is it?

The last one is -- the median age for first time home buyers, in 1981, it was 29 years old.

I'm sorry. Yeah. Twenty-nine years old. In 2021, it was 33 years old.

What is it this year?

Median age, first time homeowner, forty.

You're 40 before you can buy any kind of home. That puts these things that people want, dream about, out of reach, until you're 40?

You know, 29 is one thing. But if you're not seeing -- you're not seeing your life really kind of settling down until you're 40, I -- I can understand why you're like, you know what, this system doesn't work.

Because you've never seen it work. It's betrayed you.

Or so you've been sold. It's betrayed you.

And everything is being pushed out of your reach. And when you're young, the one thing you're not is patient.

And at 40, I can see why people are not, you know, yeah. Well, socialism is neat because capitalism isn't working. How would you respond to that?

STU: I mean, it's more lengthy than we have time for. But I would say that the response to, you know, you thinking that you want a home is not to embrace an ideology that murders 100 million people.

That's not -- that's not a good answer to the problem that you think you have.

GLENN: But they're not learning that anywhere.

They're not -- that is our responsibility! To teach those things. Because they're not learning it anywhere.

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GLENN: From New Jersey, it's Brian. Hello, Brian.

CALLER: Hello!

GLENN: Hey.

CALLER: Yeah. Thanks for taking the calls today.

GLENN: Sure.

CALLER: Yeah. I'm worried that we are headed towards another French Revolution-style because we have entire generations. Or actually people just not being heard by their representatives.

GLENN: Hmm.

CALLER: And it's not just here. It's around the world.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

I -- actually, I had scheduled for this time, I'll just do it some other time. Talking about what's happening in -- in England.

I think England is headed for a Civil War. And -- and it's very close.

I mean, you can't put 4,000 people. 4,000 people, in jail, or try them for hate crimes. And speech crimes.

You can't -- you can't do it. In England!

You can't do that in one year. And expect people to just put up with it!

You can't -- you know, we're -- we're -- America doesn't understand yet.

The world doesn't understand.

We're in World War III. We're already in World War III.

I don't know when it becomes a hot war. Or even a war that we on our side recognize. But we are in World War III. And that -- that foe is not China.

That foe is militant Islam, period. And, you know, when we have a situation to where people are -- when the government is just like, no. It's not a problem.

It's not a problem. You know. You've got illegals all over.

It's not a problem.

It's not a problem.

It is a problem. Don't tell me what -- what the problems are not!

Because we're the ones living it!

You're the experts, who keep telling us, no. It's going to work out fine.

And it doesn't work out fine. And it just gets worse and worse.

Oh. We can spend this money. No. It looks like we can't spend this money. Oh, we can afford this. No. It looks like we can't afford this.

You know, if we do this with Ukraine, it will work out fine. No, it didn't, did it? These endless wars, all of this stuff, don't tell me what the problem is. Listen to the people and start talking to the people. Honestly, this is the reason why I'm doing this today. I -- I need to hear from you.

I need to know what's on your mind, so I stay focused and -- and clear on what America is saying.

Because I don't think -- look, you know, me taking phone calls is -- is not a true representation of anything, but it does give me a sense of -- of where you are, as an audience. Maybe not as America, but as an audience. And there are lots of things that concern me. But I want to hear it from you.
But I think you're right! We're headed for real, real trouble. All you need is real economic trouble.

You start getting real, true economic trouble. 1930s kind of depression stuff. And we're in Civil War.

Dan, Oregon. Welcome!

CALLER: Hello, Glenn. How are you?

GLENN: I'm great!

CALLER: Yeah. Good. It's been a long time.

I guess it's been over ten years, since I've had a chance to talk with you. I was one of your first insiders. I was listening to you, since you were in Florida.

GLENN: Wow. Wow.

CALLER: So it's been a long -- yeah. It has been. And I can't say I've enjoyed all of it.
(laughter)

GLENN: Neither have I!

STU: I can't say that either, I'll be honest with you.

CALLER: You know, you were talking on yesterday's show, reminiscing with Stu about how you guys started. And I remember those old shows. And, you know, at the end of the -- the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Right.

CALLER: And there was a lot more entertainment. I remember I laughed a lot.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. I know. I know. Those days are long dead.
(laughter)

STU: There's nothing to laugh about now.

CALLER: Yeah. I -- I'm 78. I still work 40 hours a week. I love my job.

GLENN: Good for you.

CALLER: Been married for 55 years. I have seven kids.

GLENN: Good for you.

CALLER: I've got a daughter -- I've got a daughter who is in her 40s. And she has severe TDS. She -- we don't -- I mean, we're not cutting each other off. She hasn't done that at all. We're still very close as a family. But she was down visiting the other day, and got into a conversation with my wife. And I wasn't in the room. But Kathy said it was just like listening to one of those young people out on the street that was being interviewed by the news media. And she was -- and she was in tears about it. My wife and my daughter both.

And, I mean, I love her, and I continue to support her. She's a single woman, not by choice. She just never found the right guy.

GLENN: Yeah.

CALLER: And I really think that's part of the problem. Because she started reading -- back when Trump was first running, she started reading all of this stuff about him being misogynistic and all of this stuff.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER: And it's just gotten worse. I -- I'm at a loss. I really am. Because I -- like, I see the country doing better. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. But I still feel like that at least right now, we're doing better as a whole. But what do we do about -- what do we do about our kids about -- she went to Portland State University for the last two --

GLENN: Oh, jeez, for the love of --

CALLER: Well, yeah. For the last two years, she went to -- she went to a little college in Idaho called Ricks for the first two years, and Utah State.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

CALLER: And then she served a mission for our church in Brazil and came home, but then she went to Portland State University. And it just seems to have gone downhill from there.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. So, Dan, I think you are suffering from the same thing that almost all parents are suffering from. If you're not suffering from this, then, I mean, God bless you. You know, get on your knees and thank God. Because you are a lucky, lucky family. Everybody has in their family. I have it in my family.

And you have to ask yourself, what is your goal?

My -- what is your goal with your daughter? Your real goal?

CALLER: My real goal is for us to be united eternally. That's my goal. That's my goal as a father and has been to teach her --

GLENN: And how -- and how is that going to happen with politics?

CALLER: We just stay together as a family regardless of what politics does.

GLENN: That's exactly right. Exactly right.

I think we're in a place now where as parents, you can ask your kids, but it has to be honest. It cannot be trying to win. It has to be honest. How did you get there?

I mean, I remember. You know, we've talked about this before. And you didn't believe that before. What has changed?

Can you help me with that?

I would like to see what you're reading, or what that was.

And just ask questions. But they have to be honest. They can't be, you know, because I'm setting you up. Because I want to change your mind.

But keep a dialogue open with them. And just love them!

Just love them!

Because if you do anything else, you're going to drive them away. And then they're really lost. So just love them.

CALLER: Oh, I know that. Glenn, when she was young -- when she was young, I considered her one of the elect. And the Scripture says, that in the last days, even the elect are going to be deceived. And that's what I'm seeing. But everything you've said, I -- I am doing. I'm doing it that way. Because I know --

GLENN: Okay. Good. Then you didn't need to -- I appreciate it. I'm so glad you called me. But you didn't need to -- my advice, you already have it down. You're a very wise man.

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