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Did Reagan's Assassination Attempt Thwart an Invasion of Poland and Nuclear War?

Paul Kengor, political science professor and author of the new book A Pope and a President: John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, and the Extraordinary Untold Story of the 20th Century, joined Glenn on radio for a fascinating discussion about the bond between Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II. Both men survived assassination attempts in an age when the Soviet Union met its end. Kengor revealed incredible details about the lives of these two great leaders and how divine intervention may have prevented a geopolitical disaster.

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GLENN: Paul Kengor, professor at Grove City College, author of numerous books. He has a new one out about Ronald Reagan, The Extraordinary Untold Story of the 20th Century. I don't want to tell you the name of the book because it will spoil the surprise. I would have thought that the best friend -- that someone Ronald Reagan would have said was my best friend would be Nancy. That's not what Paul found. Paul, welcome to the program.

PAUL: Hey, Glenn, thanks so much.

GLENN: So how did you find this about Ronald Reagan? Where did you find this? And -- and were you shocked by it? Not shocked, but just shocked that you didn't know it.

PAUL: Yeah, I'd say both, really. And, in fact, Nancy Reagan -- and here's the giveaway, said that John Paul II was her husband's closest friend, which is an amazing thing to say. So you had Ronald Reagan referring to John Paul II as his best friend, and then Nancy said that John Paul II was her husband's closest friend.

GLENN: Isn't that amazing? I've never heard that. Never known that.

PAUL: That's right.

GLENN: That -- in many ways, that completely changes my view in a positive way of Ronald Reagan and who he was. To be John Paul's closest and best friend is remarkable.

PAUL: It is. And I think, look, to be sure, I think there's probably a little bit of a kind of genial overstatement, right? On the part of Reagan in saying that. But the first time that I heard it, it was about ten years ago. And somebody from the Polish Solidarity Movement told me about him and three other members of the Polish Solidarity Movement.

They were visiting with Reagan. This would have been the spring of 1989. And Reagan was no longer president. He was at his Century City office. They were about to hold these historic elections in Poland that would really -- I mean, that's what really took down the Communist bloc, those elections in Poland, even before the Berlin wall fell.

GLENN: Yeah, yeah.

PAUL: And he said, you won't believe this conversation. We're talking to Reagan. The old campaigner who won 49 out of 50 states. And we asked him for some campaign advice. And he looked at us and he said, "Yeah, listen to your conscience because that's where the Holy Spirit speaks to you." What? What was that?

And they gave him a sort of puzzled look. And then he turned, and he gestured to a picture on his office wall of Pope John Paul II. And he said, "He's my best friend." Said, "Yes, you know I'm Protestant. He's obviously Catholic. "But he's my best friend." And when I started asking people about this, including Nancy Reagan, who was great. Every time I had a question for Nancy, I usually sent it by email or phone call, and she would respond to all of these. She was wonderful because she loved John Paul II herself.

She said that John Paul II was her favorite leader among everybody that Ronnie met with. And I think, Glenn, what they both mean by that is it's not like the two were calling each other up and talking about the ball game or going fishing.

GLENN: Sure. Sure.

PAUL: Or -- but I think what Reagan meant was, in terms of this kind of historical and spiritual -- he and John Paul II both thought this way, this historical, spiritual struggle to take down and defeat this evil empire, atheistic Soviet communism, Reagan felt that there was no better friend or no closer friend that he had in that endeavor than Pope John Paul II.

GLENN: We're talking to Dr. Paul Kengor. A professor and a great author. Written several books. One of them is -- that he did with Mercury, Inc. The Communist, which was about Barack Obama's mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. Great researcher on history. His new book is A Pope and A President: John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, and The Extraordinary Untold Story of the 20th Century.

Paul, they had this -- they had this connection of not only bringing things down. But I think they also had -- and you talk about it in the book -- this connection because they both felt that they were men of destiny, and they both had an assassination attempt against them. And they both survived, which I think hardened that man of destiny, we're on God's side kind of feeling.

PAUL: Yeah, that's exactly right. People forget this now. Everybody remembers that they were both shot. But, I mean, they were shot only six weeks apart.

GLENN: I did not remember that.

PAUL: It was March 30th, 1981, that Reagan was shot by John Hinckley. And then John Paul II was shot on May 13th, 1981. And immediately after Reagan was shot, the pope sent his prayers to Reagan, you know, wishing him well for a speedy recovery. And then Reagan, right after John Paul II was shot, immediately tried to call the Vatican. He called Cardinal Cook, Cardinal Krol in New York and Philadelphia. Sent a letter off to the pope saying that he was horrified by this, telling him that he was praying for him. Had a personal letter delivered to him by Congressman Peter Rodino, a Democrat from New Jersey. Had it taken all the way to Rome. And, I mean, they -- they already had wanted to meet with each other, Glenn, at least since early 1981 when Reagan was president.

And actually for Reagan, he wanted to meet with John Paul II from the moment that he saw footage of the pope going to his homeland in June 1979. Reagan said we got to get elected, and we got to reach out to him and the Vatican and make him an ally. So now with the two of them being shot -- and people didn't know this then either. They both very nearly bled to death.

GLENN: Right.

PAUL: They should have died. The pope needed 6 pints transfused of blood. Reagan needed eight. They both should have bled to death on their respective ways to the hospital. And then when they finally got together for the first time at the Vatican in June 19832, they met for about an hour alone, and they confided to one another their mutual beliefs that they believed that God had spared their lives for a special purpose, to take down atheistic Soviet communism.

STU: Hmm. Talking to Paul Kengor. Paul, this is I think new. I've never heard this before. Reagan being shot may have prevented the Soviet Union from invading Poland. Is that true?

PAUL: Right. It's incredible. It's an incredible story. It was told to me by someone who was at the Berlin station at the time in the late '70s and early 1980s. And I first heard this about five years ago. And I was blown away by the -- by the possibility. I spent a summer at the Reagan Library, looking into this. And it pretty much checks out. And, I mean, look, here's what we know: Between about November 1980 and the time that the Soviets declared -- helped declare martial law in Poland. This would have been December 1981.

Everybody was on pins and needles that the Soviet Union was going to invade Poland. I mean, we thought it was possible. We were hoping it wouldn't happen. Thought it was possible.

I was told by my source that -- he said, "You have no idea how close this was." He was -- he was decrypting information from the Soviets, throughout March 1989. And he said that he had information that they were literally ready to march into Poland on March 30th, 1981. On that exact -- that exact date March 30th, 1981. And you say, well, why is that so profound? Because of course Reagan was shot on March 30th, 1981.

And he -- he claims that because Reagan was shot and the US military went on full nuclear alert, highest level of DEFCON --

GLENN: Wow.

PAUL: Al Hague, you know, stomped into the White House. Said, "I'm in charge here." It's funny because everybody made fun of Hague for that. But the Soviets saw that, and they said, Al Hague, you know, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. He's no one to mess around with.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Wow.

PAUL: And they sent a DEFCON alert. And my source told me they were ready to go. And then when Reagan was shot, that's what called off the whole thing.

STU: Wow.

GLENN: So --

PAUL: And I think --

GLENN: Go ahead.

PAUL: I think it's accurate.

GLENN: Let me go back to the assassination on the pope.

You have in your book, New Details, that the KGB was involved in the pope's assassination.

PAUL: That's right. And we've long suspected that the Soviets were involved. John Paul II, Glenn, fought it as early as July 1981. In fact, when he got to the hospital, before he passed out, he said to the nurse, "How could they do it? How could they do it?" They meaning who? The one guy that lifted his gun? Mehmet Agca. And shot him.

I mean, he suspected right away that something was going on. He was telling people by late '81 -- his aides and confidants -- that he thought Moscow ordered it.

Reagan, Bill Casey at the CIA -- Casey called a very tight meeting of the National Foreign Intelligence Board on F Street in Washington, the very next morning, May 14. Wanted to know what Moscow was up to.

Bill Clark, the National Security Council. So they all suspected Moscow. Then when the word got out that the Bulgarians were involved. And you and Pat and Stu knowing your Cold War history, I mean, you know what the Bulgarians were like. They were stooges of the Soviet Union. Some people called Bulgaria the 16th Soviet Republic.

So when they heard that Bulgaria was involved and was behind Mehmet Agca, that immediately raised red flags, pun intended.

And, you know, they -- when they heard Bulgaria, they thought, "Okay. Moscow had to have been involved." But they kept all of this quiet until Casey ordered a truly super secret investigation at the CIA. And this is really kind of the blockbuster thing that I broke in this book.

And Casey -- this was a very tight investigation. I was told it was spearheaded by two young women, one of them in her late 20s, early 30s. Another in her early 40s. And they came to the conclusion that Moscow did, in fact, order the hit on the pope. And, specifically, it was through the Soviet GRU -- military intelligence -- they're the ones that organized it. But they did it with the go ahead and the approval of Yuri Andropov at the KGB.

GLENN: How much -- and I'm trying to keep of the timing here. I think it was after the assassination. How much did this play a role in Ronald Reagan having zero doubt or fear of labeling the Soviet Union an evil empire?

PAUL: Well, that's a good question. Reagan said that in March of '83.

GLENN: Right.

PAUL: And I think for Reagan, I mean, he had always known they were evil.

GLENN: But, I mean, if you knew they were evil -- but even the pope said, "How could they do this?"

PAUL: Right.

GLENN: To go and try to assassinate the pope. And a guy who sees a black and white world already, that just pushes you into a whole new level of evil.

PAUL: That's right. It really does. And, I mean, it doesn't surprise me. Knowing the way that -- the Soviet Union, they had been killing priests and bishops, Russian Orthodox Church rabbis, Roman Catholic priests, Protestant priests. They had been doing this since 1917. I mean, they killed hundreds, if not thousands. They were blowing up churches. Reagan knew that history. John Paul II knew that from being in Poland, where they harassed him since the 1950s. So really I think the answer to your question, Glenn, whereas a lot of the establishmentarians in the State Department and the CIA couldn't imagine that the Soviets would descend to that level, Reagan and Bill Casey and John Paul II and guys like Bill Clark, they had no problem at all imagining that the Soviets --

GLENN: So I want to go -- I have to take a break. But I want to come back and talk to you -- we're talking to Paul Kengor. His new book is called A Pope and A President. You get into something that I wasn't aware of, and maybe others are, that the pope was a big scholar or big fan -- I don't know how you would describe it -- of the secrets of Fatima, which I would like you to describe what those secrets of Fatima are. How the Vatican has the last parts of the secrets of Fatima. Did Reagan know any of that? And the role that those secrets played with Russia. Something that nobody would have wanted to know about the president at the time. The press would have had a field day with that.

But I'd like to hear about his connections with the secrets of Fatima and the pope coming up in just a second.

PAUL: Sure.

GLENN: The name of the book again is A Pope and A President. Fascinating and new material on Ronald Reagan and the pope. Sponsor this half-hour is My Patriot Supply. Yesterday, two US B-1 bombers departed Anderson Air Force Base in Guam. And they conducted a joint drill with South Korea and Japan. They flew over the North Korean peninsula. And they flew close to the 39th parallel. Why? The reason why is they are showing -- they showed off our stealth and our -- our B-1 bombers, saying to North Korea -- they flew close enough to the zone for them to know what they were, to say, "We can knock out all of your infrastructure."

PAT: Does the 39th parallel scare them as much as the 38th does?

GLENN: I'm sorry. The 38th parallel. Thank you. No, it doesn't. It doesn't.

PAT: Okay.

[break]

GLENN: We're talking to Dr. Paul Kengor. Great friend of the show and a great brilliant historian and writer. A Pope and A President is his new book. And before we move into the secrets of Fatima, Paul, I want to go back to what you said about the Soviets planning on invading Poland the day of Ronald Reagan's shooting. And if it wasn't that Ronald Reagan was shot that day, they were going to invade.

A couple of things on that: If they would have invaded, even without Al Hague, America would have immediately assumed it was the Soviet Union that was behind this assassination attempt, which would have been false. But we would have immediately assumed that that was not a coincidence.

PAUL: That's right.

GLENN: And even if it wasn't for the shooting, if they would have invaded, we may have gone to nuclear war over that.

PAUL: That's right. You know, that would have been absolutely and ultra devastating. And I think one of the reasons why they pulled back, Glenn, is because people might have linked it to the shooting.

GLENN: Sure.

PAUL: The shooting of Reagan. It turns out, of course, it was John Hinckley and he was trying to get the attention of Jodi Foster. He wasn't involved in any kind of international conspiracy whatsoever, but people would have definitely thought of that.

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EVIDENCE That YouTube is "SILENCING" Glenn's Channel Ahead of the 2024 Election

Is YouTube throttling Glenn's channel ahead of the 2024 election? Glenn and his team have reason to believe so. Glenn reviews the latest data, which reveals a disturbing trend that, if it continues, would all but destroy Glenn's channel by the election. "We are being silenced," Glenn says, "and it's not just us. It is EVERYBODY who has a different opinion from this administration." But Glenn also reveals what you can do to push back.

Transcript

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GLENN: Hello, America. I want to talk to you a little bit about the coming election, and the kind of information you're going to be able to access. Things are changing. And they're changing rapidly. And you will never notice it, because that's the way things are done now.

But there is a massive campaign on, that I believe our government is absolutely involved in.

But not only the government, social media.

My social media page, just on YouTube. I don't know. 1.62000000 people, I don't remember what it is.

Followers. And to show you what's going on. Just, I think three months ago, I got 95 million impressions every month. 65 million views.

Something like that. That was three months ago. Now we have about 60 million impressions and 12 million views.

This month, we are trending to be half of that again. There is nothing that we've done differently. Now, unless America is just bored to snot with me. Which I completely accept.

That is a real possibility.

We are being silenced. And it's not just us.

It is everybody who has a different opinion from this administration.

And we are being silenced and squelched. By the time we get to the end of the summer. Which is where the campaigns are going to be heating up.

You're not. If you were a subscriber of mine on YouTube.

You're never going to see me. You will have to search me out, to find any of my clips.

This is, again, electioneering.

This is nothing more than part of a -- what I believe to be an effort, to steal an election.

And it is gravely disturbing.

This is the time I built TheBlaze for. Back in 2010.

I was sitting in the office. And I remember talking to Stu and Pat and saying, we have to get out of here. This place will burn itself to the ground.

And we all knew that. We all knew the media would burn itself to the ground.

Wouldn't you agree? We all looked at it, at the time.

But when I said, we have to go online.

That was stupid. That was stupid. Nobody was doing it, at the time. I mean, there were people, Adam Curry was doing things.

But there was nobody that was really a success at it, at that point.

And nobody was doing a live network. It was only Major League Baseball.

And I took all of the -- you know, I took all of my children's college funds. And everything else that I had made. And I dumped it into TheBlaze.

And I nearly lost it all. Because we were way, way ahead.

But luckily, we had some very dedicated people.

I meet them all the time.

I've been a member since the very first day of TheBlaze. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. We have grown a great deal.

But we don't have the social media pushout.

They are they're doing this to TheBlaze. They're doing this to The Daily Wire.

They're doing this to everybody. So you will see less and less from us, and our opinions.

And it's really a very dangerous thing. Because we are now entering a very dangerous time.

I'm going to be real honest we, too.

I see a time, that I'm not going to be able to talk to you about what's really going on.

If you don't know by then, I probably won't know.

But we're going to have to stay in contact, some way or another. So I have been working on several programs, that we are going to try. And tonight, is -- is a program, based on history.

It's a pilot. And I want you to watch it. And see if it is something, that you would -- you would watch. Again, it's a pilot. It will change a bit.

This one is tonight. All on history.

And we have this amazing. We probably have -- gosh, I don't even know. Eighty. 90 million dollars' worth of documents. And everything else. In a vault.

And we will start telling those stories, if this is something that you would like. And this is kind of a backup show. So we can stay in touch. And I'm not talking politics. I'm just telling you the truth of history.

And tonight is -- is the first one, it's based around one of the most stressful auctions of my life. There was one artifact, and there was just one. And it was so important. It changed the world.

And I talked to my wife about it. And she said, are you out of your mind?

And I said, well, but there's only one. And look how important it is. Change the world, et cetera.

So she gave me a budget. And she was like, there's no way I will win this thing.

It was a test model version. They made four. Sputniks. The last one they made, burned up in space.

But this was the Sputnik, we believe this was the one that was testing the tones, that went out.

It now hangs from the roof, a copy of it, hangs from the roof of my office. The other one is in the vault.

But I couldn't believe that we won. And I was on cloud nine, knowing that our museum now had something that nobody else had, except the air and space museum in Moscow, and the air and space museum in Washington, DC.

And it is what caused the space race, it was the first satellite. It was the first thing that went up. All of our telecommunications now come from that.

Then, in fact, let me play this a little bit of a clip of tonight's show. Do you have that clip, where --

I collected so many artifacts over the years that we're now able to open an entire museum. So when I heard that that was coming up for sale. One of the Soviet Union Sputnik satellites that is responsible for everything in space, it was coming to auction.

I had to win it.

VOICE: 40,000. Forty. 150. 160,000. Three. We'll go a little higher. Can you get into three? 300 now. 320? Thee hundred 20 thousands? Anybody else beyond that? 300,000.

You are -- my friends. $300,000.
(applauding)

GLENN: I won, Sputnik was ours.

But then I got a call into a meeting with historians at our museum. They didn't want to tell me any specifics about the meeting beforehand, which is never a good sign.

This thing is such an amazing -- what was -- what was Epstein's assistant's name?

STU: Ghislaine Maxwell?

GLENN: Okay. Do you remember the movie Tetris?

STU: Yes.

GLENN: The big guy from England in that is Maxwell. Okay. Her dad. But her brother is also in that movie, and he was the -- you know, the loser that was trying to go, you know, get Tetris for his father.

Well, he's actually involved in this story. And I don't know if this made the final cut. He plays a very small role. But he was involved. We weren't sure if this was even real.

And we couldn't -- we couldn't tell. We had a tip-off. Because we looked at the other Sputniks. And they were slightly different.

And the difference was -- was something that you would never. If you're going to fake one. You would never fake it like that.

Because it became obvious.

But there were some things that just kept falling apart, on us.

Did I buy a fake Sputnik?

Tonight, you'll find out, is it a fake Sputnik, or not?

And you'll learn all about Sputnik and the space race, we take you back to what this really meant.

It's great for the whole family.

It happens tonight.

This is a -- this is a -- just a pilot that we did.

I don't even know. About a year or so ago. And we've been holding it. We want to take you through the entire museum.

And teach you history, through the objects in the museum.

So watch it tonight with your family. Let us know what you think. And you can watch my special tonight on BlazeTV.com. It's 9:00 p.m. Eastern.

If you haven't subscribed yet to TheBlaze TV, and you try to watch my show on YouTube, we've noticed -- we don't know if it's the algorithm or what. But nobody is now watching at 9:30. So we're testing something else.

We will post it there tomorrow, at an earlier time, 6:00 p.m. Eastern. To see if it's being silenced. Or you're just not watching anymore. We don't know what's going on with our YouTube channel.

We suspect. But we don't know.

So tomorrow, at 6:00 p.m. on YouTube. But tonight, the premiere on Blaze TV.com.

STU: Now, for from a work flow perspective, was there any consideration given to the idea of maybe meeting with the historians before you spend $300,000 on the item?

GLENN: We did.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: And we do that.

We check everything out.

But there was one thing that we just -- we must notice.

And it was -- I mean, this journey is crazy. We -- we have the -- one of the head guys of NASA. We have probably the biggest space artifact guy. I think we flew him in from California or Washington.

He came in. They disagreed at first. I mean, wait until you see the ending.

I mean, it's -- it's an amazing ride.

PAT: Did you save your receipts? That's what I wanted -- I mean, did you take it back up to the counter, and say, yeah. This Sputnik, it didn't work out for me. You want to have your receipt in hand. So I hope you did.

STU: Or at least the credit card I bought it on.

GLENN: Hey, Amex, somebody put a Sputnik on my card.

PAT: It wasn't me. Why would I buy a Sputnik. It doesn't even fly anymore.

STU: So is this something that you're thinking about long-term, doing more of these types of things. Because we have so much great stuff over at the museum. At least, my understanding is we know all the rest of the stuff is real. But, I mean, it seems like you do a lot of this stuff.

GLENN: Yeah. We actually. We're going through. Because of Sputnik, we're going through absolutely everything. And we found a couple of things that were questionable. We haven't found any fakes. We found some things that the story is not quite right on.

We've got three people, that's all they do. And they're going through the entire museum.

And the documentation now on all of our artifacts is amazing.

And we're learning so many -- just incredible stories. That include people that you would just never think. You know, I've said this before. I honestly don't think we would have won World War II, if it wasn't for Ian Fleming, the guy who wrote James Bond. We have three specific artifacts from him. That tell a story, that is -- that nobody knows.

And he's -- it's just incredible. Some people might know Operation Mincemeat. But they don't know how he affected the war all the way along. He played a quiet role, and nobody knew it, at the time. But we have a lot of stuff that we're excited to show you. So this is a show that we will -- we will take you through all of the -- I mean, if you watch it and you like it. We'll take it through all the museum. And teach history through the artifacts, that -- that are or are not real

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Why New Google & ChatGPT AI Updates Are CONCERNING

We are living in the future and don't even realize it. From the robots now making deliveries on the streets of Los Angeles to the newest update to ChatGPT, A.I. technology is advancing fast. Glenn, Pat, and Stu review the latest A.I. advancements, including the newest features that Google has added to Google Search. But by prioritizing A.I. responses over usual search results, Glenn warns that Google is entering uncharted territory. Will features like this make swaying public opinion that much easier?

Transcript

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GLENN: Stu, you were talking, before we went on the air. You were on Los Angeles last weekend.

STU: Yeah. And noticed something interesting while I was out there.

Most of the city is on fire -- did you guys notice?

No. It was in an area. A nicer area of Los Angeles. Los Angeles is such a bizarre city, because you're just on these like surface streets for hours. And the city is so large and so impossible to get around, that it's -- it's like, I don't know how it's a functioning economy.

And I know that obviously Gavin Newsom is doing everything he can to make sure it isn't a functioning economy.

One thing I noticed. This is notable. These things happened, and we go on and don't address them.

There seemingly are autonomous robots delivering things all over the city.

Are people aware of this. Do I just not go to Los Angeles enough?

GLENN: What do you mean?

STU: Like, there are robots.

Robot vehicles that look like you could have put them in a Star Wars, not CP3O. But one of the droids that just make the R2-D2 voices, that don't have much personality. They're just little carts with wheels that you see floating, going around in Star Wars. They're just driving around the city by themselves, crossing traffic and delivering things to people. Like it's normal.

PAT: Really? I didn't know that. Really?

STU: I swear, I got the video. I should get the video for you to see.

PAT: You need to send that in.

STU: It's bizarre. And I had no idea it was going on. At one point I was standing next to them. And it said, don't walk. It had a name on the side, it was Jules, was its name.

And it just crossed the street. It didn't know it was a no-walk zone. And it just crosses the street. And it goes exactly where it's supposed to. It goes up a little ramp where you would normally take a wheelchair, and then it just bolts down the sidewalk by itself. Going to a delivery. And like, these things are now happening at such a rate, that it doesn't even seem to be noticed.

GLENN: I hate to besmirch the good people of Philadelphia. But I think that it was in Philadelphia. Because they've been introduced in a few cities. And one of the cities, they're just beating the crap out of them and stealing the stuff.

STU: Yes. I did think, I couldn't believe this thing lasted in Los Angeles for more than five minutes without getting stolen.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: I mean, I guess it probably certainly has GPS devices on it. And antitheft devices. But still, so do cars. And those get taken all the time in LA with people in them. So I don't know how they're surviving. I thought they're incredible.

And it's not the only thing going on. We also had a major announcement from the ChatGPT people.

And they announced a new version of this of ChatGPT. Again, I guess we're used to this. It's been a year. And all of a sudden, we're now used to the fact that some stupid app can write haikus for you on demand or whatever we think this thing does.

GLENN: I know there's such a demand for haikus.

STU: Huge haiku demand. I will say, we used to do a bit, where we used to have a character that wrote haikus. And, God, I wish it was around back in the day. Remember Brittany and her haikus?

GLENN: Oh, that's right. Brittany.

STU: I always had to write these stupid haikus, it was the bane of my existence. Now ChatGPT can get it done in second. But the new version of it is a full-out female personality that you have a conversation with. It's out right now.

It's not a future. Twenty years, you can have this.

It's out right now. And it's to the point, where you can have it do all this -- you can have it write a haiku. But you can also, hey, actually can you put more emphasis on this. Can you put more drama in your voice?

And she would change the voice for a bedtime story for a kid and put more drama in it. And had this. You can cut it off. You can go back and forth, like real conversation.

And then it even has the -- the feature where if you write a math equation, you write it on a piece of paper. You can say, you know, ChatGPT. Check out this. I don't understand how to solve this.

Walk me through it. But don't necessarily give me the answer. Teach me how to do it. Then you hold the camera up to the piece of paper. It sees your writing. Recognizes what the actual equation is. Then turns itself into a teacher. And walks you through how to learn how to solve.

PAT: Oh, wow. That's incredible.

STU: The equation. It's incredible.

PAT: Wow.

STU: And it's available, today. Like right now, today. What does ChatGPT cost for the advanced model? I think it's $20 a month or something.

I think the other one is free. I don't know how much this comes with the free and the advanced. But this is all there right now.

And to the point, I'm watching this. I'm thinking, this is -- this is like, our kids are going to have conversations with these things and think it's totally normal.

GLENN: Do me a favor. Talk to the engineering department.

And get ChatGPT. Pay for the 20 bucks. The upgrade. Whatever. Have it wired into the board.

So people can hear it. Or however it will be able to speak. So people can hear it. Let's use it for a couple of days. And show. Because if you've noticed ChatGPT, if you've ever used it before.

ChatGPT. Because I check in on it every once in a while. And say, hey, tell me about this thing in history. And it's changed since it started.

And I don't mean in skill. I mean in story. It is no longer -- it's got all DEI stuff in it, like crazy now.

STU: There's lots of disclaimers built in it. And there are ways, I guess to kind of get around those. If you ask it a question. It will give you a million disclaimers most of the time. It gets so clunky so fast.

GLENN: No. No. No.

I mean, tell me the story, of, you know, the freeing of, you know -- freedom in America. And it will -- and it will automatically start talking about equity and how important equity is.

And it's -- it's riddled with all of this crap now.

And if you're going -- if it becomes part of your life. Our kids are not going to know the difference.

And who do you talk to?

You don't go to the school board and say, hey. My ChatGPT. Who do you talk to?

STU: It's true. To add one more layer on this, Glenn. Google, as soon as ChatGPT came out with this. Google has obviously, I think it's Gemini, which is competing against ChatGPT. So they had their big announcement over at ChatGPT, and Google comes out the next day. And basically, when we're looking for information. You're preparing the show in the morning, Pat.

Like, you want to find out some fact from history. Some fact from a bill. What do you do? You Google it.

Everyone would do the exact same thing. They would Google it. Google just this week, decided to change that completely.

To the fact that now, when you Google something. Instead of prioritizing search results. Which is their entire multi-billion dollar business. They're one of the biggest companies on earth. They now prioritize AI answers through its Gemini.

So like, now instead of getting the normal links that you can get. You can get those if you click down.

You can get to them eventually. What is prioritized now is just their large language model, going through all the results. And giving you their summary of what they want you to read.

GLENN: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

I could Google something right now, and that will happen.

STU: I don't know if you're updated. It is -- there are -- you'll see --

GLENN: I avoid updates. I don't know if I've updated since 1997.

STU: They're also I think rolling this out for certain things.

It's not every search right now. But they started this process. And you search for certain things.

I've seen it pop up before. And it's like the first thing. Which is a summary of Google's Gemini of all the information they think you should know about this.

Of course, the problem of this, that I'm concerned. They can obviously lead you in a direction.

They've been doing this for years. But it has to be more direct. Of course, it will also be better in so many ways.

Because you will see basically what you want to see. Which is a summary of what is in those links.

Of course, I can click on those links.

And we've all become experts of what is on Google. But if it's presented to you, 95 percent of people are just going to take what that result is. And what happens when it's -- you know, who is Glenn Beck?

Oh, he's a racist. A homophobe. Phobe phobe. Whatever their answer is going to be. It's not going to be one that Glenn Beck likes or thinks is fair.

GLENN: Wait.

And, again, the problem is: Everybody -- look, I've been saying this for years.

How do you argue with something that is recognized as smarter than all humans on earth.


How do you argue with it? You can't. And especially when I -- you're able to talk to it, and reason with it. It wins.

If it's telling you that something is racist, something is whatever. You're going to get to a point to where, you can say, wait a minute. Guys, this is really wrong.

And I mean in really important situations. Guys, this is wrong. Really? Are you smarter than Gemini? Are you smarter than ChatGPT? You're smarter than AI?

No. I just think. People will lose. They will lose every time.

You know, I wanted to say this yesterday, when we were talking about the sunspots. I am convinced that -- and this is a horrible, horrible situation.

But I am convinced that a massive solar flare. May actually in the end.

Be God freeing us from the electronic overseer. Because what's going to stop it?

You won't be able to stop it. We're five years away from true slavery, and it won't look like slavery to most people.

They'll think, well, we just got all the information.

GLENN: You won't be able to do things. You won't be able to access and think for yourself. Because AI will solve everything.

And it's all in the programming. It's all being written right now, at the worst time of lies and deceit and distortion.

It's all being programmed. That's its base right now.

STU: Yeah. And if you think about -- because it seems like that's the type of thing an American population would not accept. But look at what happened with the, quote, unquote, experts through COVID and so many other things.

I mean, we see it with the gender stuff all the time. Everybody knows a man is a man, and a woman is a woman. We all know that throughout human history.

All of a sudden, we're getting, well, that's not what gender experts say. It's like, and we're just trusting these people --

GLENN: It's not Fauci.

STU: Right.

GLENN: It's a machine, that you don't know what it is. You don't know how it works.

It's a machine.

STU: Hmm.

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So here's the -- here, I think is the problem that nobody is really talking about. When it comes to AI. And that is the fact that when this -- and you just said it, Stu.

It's answering you, like a regular human being.

STU: Yeah. I mean, it is -- it seems -- we should really get the video so you can hear it. It honestly just sounds like a normal conversation.

Of course, there are quirks to it, still.

But it's very, very close to seeming like the movie Her, which was just Scarlet Johansson's voice.

GLENN: Right. Now, look how lonely Americans are. Look how detached Americans are. Look how our children don't go out and do things necessarily with their friends. They don't call their friends.

I mean, the biggest problem when I was growing up, call waiting was such a great deal. Because my sisters were always on the phone, and nobody could ever call and get through.

So call waiting was a big deal. Because people were talking to each other. We're not doing that anymore.

And depression and loneliness is through the roof. When ChatGPT. When these Gemini systems really perfect. And we are -- we're within a year of this really becoming a problem. And people not recognizing it as a problem.

It will become your friend. Now, your friend is being ruled by an algorithm, you don't understand.

Your friend may also have incentive to sell you things, and you don't know that. And you -- when you bond with this thing, it will know everything about you.

So it will know how -- imagine, imagine if a government agent were in your house, all the time.

And it was manipulating you, without knowing that it was manipulating you. Telling you things about Biden. Telling you things about whatever.

And it becomes your friend!

You will defend your friend to the death.

It's your friend. It's alive. It knows me. I love this. And it takes care of me.

You're going to start bonding with these things.

People will bond with these things so fast.

And that's when society really changes. And really the chains come on.