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The Untold, Pivotal Role Faith Played in Jackie Robinson's Life

Ed Henry, chief national correspondent for Fox News Channel, joined Glenn on radio Tuesday to talk about his new book 42 Faith: The Rest of the Jackie Robinson Story. While the 2013 movie 42 was excellent, it barely covered a key component to the Jackie Robinson story: faith. Henry set out to correct the record.

"I found out new information, which is why I wrote this book," Henry relayed. "Branch Rickey, right before signing Jackie to the first contract in 1945, secretly had doubts --- he had second thoughts, he almost pulled out. But it was a secret meeting with the minister in Brooklyn at a wonderful church that still stands today, Plymouth Church, which was a stop on the Underground Railroad in the 1800s."

The iconic church was pivotal in ending slavery in the 1800s, as well as launching the career of Jackie Robinson, the first African-American player in Major League Baseball, in the 1940s. In 42 Faith: The Rest of the Jackie Robinson Story, Henry explained how Rickey, the general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, needed to be in the presence of God to know he was doing the right thing.

"After pacing and praying on all of this . . . Branch Rickey finally sits down, starts crying and says to the minister, I've decided to sign Jackie to the first contract," Henry said.

Throughout Jackie Robinson's life, faith played a major role --- saving him as a young man and changing the course of history as a baseball player.

It took Henry nearly 10 years to research and write the book in his downtime. 42 Faith: The Rest of the Jackie Robinson Story is available in bookstores everywhere.

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: Welcome to the program, Ed Henry. How are you, sir?

ED: Good. Thanks for having me on, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. I would love to talk to you about politics and what you see going on. But I really want to spend some time talking about Jackie Robinson. Because I think until we get the story of America right and the story of our heroes, we're never going to be able to -- we're playing games, and we're never going to be able to fix our country.

ED: Yeah.

GLENN: So I'm glad you're here. And your book is absolutely fantastic. I don't -- I don't follow -- you know, I don't follow sports. But even I know who Jackie Robinson is.

ED: Uh-huh.

GLENN: At least that's what I thought until I read your book.

ED: Well, I appreciate that because I think there's a whole lot more to the story.

And Hollywood doesn't want, as you know, better than anyone, to touch faith and God. They don't want to talk about that. And so there was a movie, 42, about Jackie Robinson and Branch Rickey, the general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, who signed him to the first contract to break the color barrier in major legal baseball, which obviously, as you suggest did not just change sports. It changed America for the better, forever.

GLENN: Yeah.

ED: But Hollywood, you know, the 42 movie was wonderful. But it did not -- it barely mentioned God. I found out new information, which is why I wrote this book, that Branch Rickey, right before signing Jackie to the first contract in 1945, secretly had doubts. He had second thoughts. He almost pulled out. But it was a secret meeting with the minister in Brooklyn at a wonderful church that still stands today, Plymouth Church, which was a stop on the Underground Railroad in the 1800s.

So when you talk about getting our history right, this was a pivotal church in helping end slavery in the 1800s. And then in 1945, Branch Rickey, I learned -- and it's in 42 Faith -- basically goes to this minister and says, "I don't know if I can go through with this," because this was such a controversial move in '45 to move to integrate Major League Baseball. And after pace and praying on all of this, a 45-minute meeting that I uncover the details of, which this minister in Brooklyn, Branch Rickey finally sits down, starts crying and says to the minister, I've decided to sign Jackie to the first contract. I needed to be in your presence, he says to the minister. I needed to be in God's presence to know it was the right thing to do. I thought --

GLENN: Okay. So if this were story were told today or happened today, here's how this story would be spun: That Branch Rickey wanted to do it because he was going to have all kinds of publicity and that would be good for the club. And he made this pilgrimage to a black church that was a perfect church because of the history so everybody would know. And he was only doing this for show.

ED: Yeah.

GLENN: Correct?

ED: Yeah, I think --

GLENN: Correct that.

ED: Correct, that that would be the way it might be played now. But the fact of the matter is what this led me to do was go on a journey and think and figure out and research. And I spent almost ten years doing this on the side, you know, on the back-burner, while covering politics, as you said at the top. It made me say, wait a second, how much did God and faith in God play in this monumental decision, that, again, wasn't just baseball? But maybe more importantly, how much did faith play in helping Jackie Robinson overcome people shouting the N-word at him, literally threatening his life because he wanted to play baseball.

And I found a lot of new information. I'll tell you one quick story about Branch Rickey. In the early 1900s, he grows up on a farm in Ohio, along the Kentucky border. And he goes to his mom, Branch Rickey does, and says, I want to become a Big League ballplayer. She says no. She was a Methodist and said, "All baseball players do is drink and swear and party, and you're not doing that."

Well, Branch Rickey goes back to her the next day. This is somebody who didn't take no for an answer obviously, or he might have backed down and not integrated the game of baseball, decades later. But in the early 1900s, he said, mom, if you let me chase my dream to play Big League Baseball, I will never play on Sunday.

And do you know that Rickey became a big league player before he was a famous executive? A lot of people don't know that. He never played on Sunday. It's one reason why he got cut because owners of various teams said, "Why am I paying you a full week's salary when you won't play on Sunday to honor God?"

And then fast-forward to after he signs Jackie Robinson, and he's this famous executive for the Brooklyn Dodgers. I interviewed Branch Rickey's grandson. Branch Rickey III, who is still alive, he said that in the '40s and '50s, Rickey would never go to Ebbets Field on Sunday, even though he was running the team. His parents had died. Glenn, he had already -- that commitment he made to his parents was basically null and void, but he felt like he needed to honor that. That shows commitment, character, we don't see today. It shows a commitment to God that people are frankly scared to talk about and say out loud today. But Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson, they were one white, one black, different generations. Didn't have a lot in common, but they both had a deep faith in God. And that's why I think there's a lot more to this story that people didn't want to talk about.

GLENN: So let's talk about Jackie Robinson. I had absolutely no idea that, A, he was a Sunday teacher and that he gave a lot of sermons.

ED: Yes. And I want to tell you about some of them. First of all, in terms of Sunday school, this is a man, Jackie Robinson, who grow up -- you know, he's raised by a single mom in Pasadena, California. We hear about this a lot today, not just in the African-American community. Communities all around the country. And say, "Well, these kids end up joining gangs. And they've got no hope." Well, guess what, Jackie Robinson joined a gang. He's a teenager in Pasadena. He has a criminal record. He was arrested several times, Glenn. And people don't know that about the story. And you know how he got out of it? His mom Mali, Mali Robinson was a woman of faith. She happened also to be a Methodist, like Branch Rickey and his family. Interesting connection. Coincidental perhaps, but still interesting.

And a Christian minister named Reverend Carl Downs in Pasadena pulled Jackie aside as a teenager and said, "You're going the wrong way. Unless you get your life back on track, you're going to waste all this athletic talent."

So the Sunday school you mentioned is, I find in my research that Jackie becomes this four-letter man at UCLA: Baseball, basketball, football, and track and field. He stars as a football player at UCLA on Saturdays. Gets up Sunday.

He's a running back. So he's beaten and bruised, like any other running back. And what does he do on Sunday morning? Gets out of bed. Gets off that UCLA campus and goes back to Pasadena in order to teach Sunday school with the Reverend Carl Downs. This minister had saved his life, and he felt like he had a commitment to him.

Again, to me, there was a wonderful parallel there with Branch Rickey about that commitment to his parents about faith and not playing. Not working on Sundays.

Jackie Robinson -- how many athletes today, either college or pro, get out of bed on Sunday morning and say, you know, I'm going to teach Sunday school before I go to the game or before I do this or that? This is somebody who gave back and understood it. We can get into the sermons as well that he did after his playing days. But I think faith in God is at the center of the story and that's why we call it 42 Faith.

GLENN: I will tell you that I teach Sunday school, and it is impossible -- almost every week, I think, I'm going to call in sick. I just -- I've got so many things going on. Blah, blah. I'm not Jackie Robinson.

ED: Right.

GLENN: Jackie Robinson is not only playing and doing all these things, but also, throughout his life, he is pushed up against the wall. When he first comes out and he's set to make his debut, there's a sniper that has threatened and said --

ED: Yep.

GLENN: -- I'm taking him out. If he steps up to bat, I'm taking him out.

ED: Yep.

And you know what happened? We see in the movie, 42, that there white players from the deep South who circulated a petition and said, "If Jackie gets promoted to the Big Leagues in 1947, we're going to walk." And so we can't sanitize that history. There were white players, teammates who didn't want to play with them.

But you know what I found in my research is there were white teammates like Ralph Branca, a very tall pitcher. And you're right. There were these reports that came into the Dodgers. April 15th, 1947. This is now the 17th anniversary that we're celebrating, of Jackie's first game. He said, there's a sniper. Going to be at Ebbets Field. They're going to kill Jackie when he goes on the field.

And Ralph Branca made a show on the field of standing next to Jackie and kind of throwing his arm around him. And Jackie, thankfully, is not shot. But after the game, one of Branca's brothers comes rushing up to him. He had a big family.

Said, Ralphie, what were you thinking? You were standing right next to this guy. This black player, who was going to get shot. There's a sniper out there, and you were standing next to him. What are you thinking?

And he said, there are worse ways to go than to stand up for a teammate. That was a white pitcher. He was like 6-3, 6-4. He was a big target for a sniper. That's why I mentioned his height.

And yet this white player said, I'm going to stand up for a black teammate. That to me is all about not just faith, but about America, number one. And, number two, you talk about commitment from Jackie. You talk about yourself teaching Sunday school. Jackie's wife Rachel is still alive, about 95 years old. And she remembers that first year when Jackie had snipers out there. He had people sending him letters, saying, we're going to kill you. People shouting the N-word from the stands.

She says that after playing at Ebbets Field every day -- afternoon, he would take the subway home to the small apartment they had in Manhattan. And before he went to bed, do you know what Jackie Robinson, this famous ballplayer did? She says he got down on his hands and knees and prayed to God.

And I think, again, that commitment -- I'm not saying that faith was the only thing that enabled him to play in the athletics field. He had courage. He had character. But faith in God was at the center of Jackie Robinson's life. And it was not something that a lot of people talked about before for various reasons. And I think that image of this famous ballplayer getting on his hands and knees, praying to God every night before bed, shows that he got that. He understood that despite his fame, despite him becoming a civil rights icon, he was imperfect and still wanted to bow down before God.

GLENN: I will tell you that I know -- Penn Jillette is a friend of mine, an atheist, and he has courage and principles. And I know a lot of religious people who don't have courage and principles. But somebody like Jackie Robinson, it's hard to believe that it didn't -- that wasn't what was really driving. We're talking to Ed Henry of the Fox News Channel. Written a new book called 42 Faith: The Rest of the Jackie Robinson Story.

As you were researching this, did anybody come to mind at all? Are you seeing these people, Ed, in your everyday life? Are you seeing them anywhere in positions of power?

ED: No. I think that's something that -- and I'm an optimistic story. But as someone -- as I research, as I thought about men of character like Branch Rickey, like Jackie Robinson, like Ralph Branca, who I mentioned, who stood up on faith -- and, you know, you mentioned the sermons that Jackie gave. I mean, I found in his personal papers at the Library of Congress, all of these sermons that Jackie gave at churches all across America in the 1960s. He had hung up his glove in the beginning at '57. The baseball glove. So in the '60s, he's retired. He's working for Chock Full O' Nuts. He makes the baseball Hall of Fame. But, again, he gives back. He goes to churches. Not just black churches, but churches all around America. And let me read one quick passage, where he talked about how he was skeptical about federal government assistance programs being what would help deal with the civil rights crisis, would deal with the long hot summer of 1967.

This was a sermon in '67. And he said, my dear friends in this congregation, I think the black man is just a little weary of this constant help of helping him. I think to a large degree, the poverty programs have fallen flat on their face, coming to resemble just some more handouts, a cut higher than welfare.

God helps mankind, Jackie Robinson said. But he helps those who helps himself. So here is this civil rights icon saying that in 1977. Not in a public square, but in a church, number one, Glenn. And number two, 1967, 50 years ago. Think about that statement today. We don't have a lot of people in public life saying that. And here's a black leader saying that. A black ball player who made the Hall of Fame and an icon.

GLENN: So, Ed, you and I both know what the last -- since 9/11 has been like. Especially at the Fox News Channel. You've been there for a long time, longer than I was.

ED: Yeah.

GLENN: And you know what it was like when I was there. And mainly because of me causing all the trouble. Sorry for that, by the way.

(chuckling)

GLENN: Was this --

ED: I don't know where you're going with this.

GLENN: Is this -- was this your way of searching for some sort of bedrock that made life make sense, that gave you courage to stand? Was this just a -- was this just your stamp collecting thing just to take your mind -- what happened to you with this?

ED: It started in my stamp collecting, in that I have a passion for baseball. And a lot of people ask me, "Well, why in the world did you write a baseball book?" I mean, number one, I don't think the world is begging for a book about Obamacare from Ed Henry. I don't feel like -- you know, how many politicians are out there -- no offense to any of my colleagues or anyone. And number two is, you know, it's not really a baseball book.

GLENN: Yeah.

ED: It's a book about faith in God. And I'm a Catholic. I'm imperfect. But you always strive to be better. And Jackie Robinson said in these personal papers, I found, there are better Christians than me. I'm imperfect. And here's Jackie Robinson, who's pretty darn close to perfect.

But he said, I just did the best that I knew how. Paraphrasing. And I didn't want to let down my mother or Mr. Rickey. He always called him Mr. Rickey.

And what did Mr. Rickey, the general manager have in common with Jackie Robinson? Again, different generations. Different skin color. Came of age in different parts of the country. But they both -- you know, both the Robinson families and the Rickey families had deep faith in God. And when Jackie Robinson says, "Look, I'm not perfect, but I did the best I knew how." For me, this is a kind of project that finds some deeper meaning. And I think in Jackie Robinson, it's not just a baseball story. It's a story about life. And it's a story about how faith in God is at the center of our lives, whether people want to say it out loud or not.

GLENN: I will tell you, the book endorsed by Bill O'Reilly. Brad Thor. Juan Williams and Larry King. You couldn't get more eclectic than that. Oh, and Jim Brown. So no more eclectic than that.

ED: Jim Brown.

Well, I appreciate it.

GLENN: Ed, thank you so much. The name of the book is 41 Faith. A great read.

STU: 42 Faith.

ED: Forty-two.

GLENN: 42 Faith.

STU: That's the prequel. It's coming out next year --

GLENN: Do I understand 42 if I only read 41?

ED: 43 is going to be the best.

(laughter)

GLENN: All right.

Ed Henry, thank you very much. And much success.

ED: Thanks, buddy.

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The TERRIFYING & AMAZING realities of brain chip implants

Elon Musk’s company Neuralink recently announced it hopes to begin human trials in six months. Neuralink develops ‘implantable brain-computer interfaces,’ or more simply, chips for your brain. And the health benefits could be AMAZING, Glenn says, especially for those with brain injuries. But the downsides of technological developments like this one can be TERRIFYING, too...especially if they're placed into the wrong hands.

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GLENN: By the way, did you hear the Neuralink thing? In human testing now.

This is -- gang, I know -- if you're a long-time listener. I know 20 years ago, you thought, I was just a babbling madman. When I would talk to you about the singularity. And talk to you about what tech was going to be like.

Ten years ago. Same thing. Five years ago, maybe you started going, I don't know. I mean, I guess people are talking about it.

Two years ago, same thing.

You need to understand the singularity. Because it's on our doorstep. And that is through Elon Musk. And neural link.

It will be heralded as a great thing. And believe me, as a father of a daughter who has had strokes, this would change her. It would make her probably whole. Because the problem with strokes is the pathways for information. If you think of the brain as a road map, there are bridges that are out. And so, it takes longer for information to go from one place to another. And sometimes, it can't go there at all.

STU: Right.

GLENN: What neural link promises to do, is to bridge from one part of the brain to the other part of the brain. Electronically.

STU: Incredible.

GLENN: It's incredible. Absolutely incredible.

STU: And has the potential to be a miracle, if it were --

GLENN: A miracle. People. If you had a stroke, you could go back to -- the promise is -- the hope is, back to the way you were before the stroke. I mean, that's -- that's a miracle.

However, it also would connect to the internet. And it is Elon Musk's way of saying, we've got to come up with something fast and cheap. Because this is what the left is going to do. And people want to control. And there's got to be something out there, that will be a good version of this. Where if you want to learn Spanish, you just download it. I mean, it's very matrix. It's here. Tonight dismiss this. It's here.

STU: Is neural link the same as AI.

GLENN: No. It's the beginning.

STU: Neural link is more health type reasons, isn't it?

GLENN: No. It's to digitize the brain for health reasons.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: But that's step one. The other steps, as it goes, links you to the internet.

So you can download and upload information. And remember, that's a pipe in your head. This is when the -- this is when economic forum says, yes.

We've lost some privacy. People know what I'm doing. Know where I am. Know what I'm thinking. Even what I'm dreaming. But it's all worth it, okay? That's what they mean.

Because you will be -- the government or these institutions or whatever. Will be able to go into your head. And know what you're thinking. Because you're using the back bone of the internet to think and research. And it can go into your head and retrieve dreams. It's extraordinarily dangerous.

STU: To think targeted advertising uses this. Like every time I think about Taco Bell. I get a coupon from Taco Bell. I mean --

GLENN: Or all the times you don't think about Taco Bell. And yet, you're thinking about Taco Bell.

STU: Should be.

There can't be more times I'm thinking about Taco Bell. That's not possible.

GLENN: If you're like most Americans. Have you heard what McDonald's is doing? I want one. I want one. Anyway, if you're like most Americans, you can probably spend a significant amount of your time just thinking about how to make more money. Or at least save more money, back more than you currently do.

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GLENN: So I want to talk to you a little bit about this rail strike. And I don't know about you. But, I mean, I'm not passionate about --

STU: Right.

GLENN: -- either side.

However, however, I do think --

STU: I'm worried about the consequences of it.

GLENN: Well, I'm also. I think I'm actually -- if it is, as is presented. Which I don't believe anything anymore.

But if it is as presented, these train companies can't let their employees have a few extra days for sick-leave?

STU: Yeah. I'm sure it's more complicated than that. That's the story from the media. I just don't want them to have a sick day. They interviewed a guy. I'm at home with the flu. And I have to have vacation time. Obviously, that's not the way it should be. Is that the only issue? Really?

GLENN: Yeah, so I'm not patient about it, because I don't believe either side. However, a couple of things.

One, the media said, Joe Biden solved this right before the election.

STU: Right. So he had all the preelection benefits of solving this crisis. And he found out later, well, no. It wasn't real.

GLENN: We actually knew. Everyone knew. But only sources said, he didn't solve it. He passed the buck, and it will happen in December.

The other thing that is quite concerning on this, is Mr. Most -- biggest union supporter --

STU: Job.

GLENN: Supporter of any president in the history of the United States, he also bails out the railroads all the time. Okay?

So government money is going to the business of railroads as well. He can't get a few sick days? This guy is toothless. Absolutely toothless.

STU: Completely incompetent. Or something else is going on.

GLENN: Yeah. And the media, again, the biggest problem, because you don't know what a rail strike would do to you and the country. In quick fashion.
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So, Stu, there are two stories I barely understand. Let me start with the one that I'm really a little foggy on. For any mammal, the loss of the Y chromosome should mean the loss of males and the demise of the species. However, the Amami spiny rat manages without a Y chromosome. And has puzzled biologists for decades. Now, a Japanese scientist and her colleagues have shown that one of the rat's normal chromosomes effectively evolved into a new male sex chromosome. I hate to get all sciencey. Because I don't know how these rats identify. I don't know any of their pronouns or anything else.

STU: Oh, no.

GLENN: So the reason why this is important, is because the Y chromosome seems to be getting weaker and weaker. And in a lot of mammals, including man.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And once you lose the Y, then what happens? You've only got females.

End of the species. So that's why they're looking into this. Because they believe that we are headed for the same kind of thing.

STU: The end of the species. I think just involving car accidents.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Only women drivers. It would be crazy. And women presidents and CEOs.

STU: Gosh, just shut the thing down.

GLENN: Lord, please come down.

Anyway, so --

STU: So stupid. That's largely just to piss off Sara in the other room.

GLENN: Oh, it is. Largely?

100 percent.

STU: And, of course, the fact that it's true.

GLENN: Right.

So the next story is a quantum computer has simulated a wormhole for the first time.

Now, do you know what a wormhole is?

STU: It's a space thing. It's like a sciencey space thing.

GLENN: Yeah. So it's like you take a piece of paper, and you fold it in half. And then you I think fold it again. And you put a little hole in it.

And you would see, that there would be two holes, in the piece of paper.

STU: Yeah. Looks like a mask. With the eye holes.

GLENN: In fact, it's almost the perfect mask.

Okay. So -- and probably Fauci would have me wear this.

Anyway, so a wormhole is a way to collapse the distance in between those two holes. Okay?

In space.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And then they are right -- you go through one hole, and you're right there. Because they're next to each other.

STU: Right. Instantly.

GLENN: If space is folding. So that's the idea of a wormhole. You could travel great distances through that. Quickly.

So this is just been a theory. Scientists with a quantity uncle computer, have just simulated a wormhole for the very first time.

Now, it gets very complex, because they say, it was a holographic. But it's not exactly a holograph. It's -- they're just -- they just simplified things by taking gravity out of the equation, which gets into i Phone and the theory of relativity. So they had to have something that took relativity out. And see if they could simulate this. Well, they did. And what this means is, you could have, without any wires, cables, Wi-Fi, nothing!

You can take something, digitally, and send it from let's say, my desk, to a desk in London. Paragraph and it would exist in both places.

And you could close one of the doors, and it would either come back to me, and only be here. Or I could close my door, and it would be in London.

They just did this. This changes everything!

This changes everything. This is -- you remember i Phone when he was -- they talked to him about quantum physics. He said, God doesn't play dice.

Meaning, there is no super -- there is no super position of -- of a molecule, or I don't even know. Of a cubit they're new called. It can't be both positive and negative. It can't be both one and a zero.

But quantum says, yes, it can. That led him to say, God doesn't play dice.

It doesn't work that way. Remember, the theory of relativity is only a theory. It's the best theory we have on how things work.

Quantum buildings up, and says, I don't think the basic soup -- I don't think it really goes with any of those physics.

I think it breaks down at some point, and starts behaving completely illogically.

This shows that Einstein may have been wrong. Maybe God is playing dice.

This -- this -- this -- the things that we have on the horizon, are so ground-breaking. And just quantum computing. All of this stuff, will change life. In ways we -- it's like we're standing in the 12 hundreds. And trying to imagine today.

But it's going to happen in the next 50 years.

STU: Do we have any idea, where this would end up? Like, what would be the endgame of this type of technology --

GLENN: The biggest thing of quantum computing, is you will probably solve cancer in a week. You will solve these problems that cannot be solved.

Because it can model a million different things, all at the same time. So remember, Einstein -- Edison said, you know, I didn't find a -- a -- I didn't fail a thousand times. I found a thousand ways, the lightbulb doesn't work.

That will -- you'll only fail -- you'll fail and succeed, one time.

Because you'll try all of the combinations, all at once.


STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And you'll have the answer.

STU: It feels like, there are so many things right now, on the fringes of science. Like where we are really -- where scientists are -- are playing, right?

They're at the very edges of understanding. Where they can go. But see the path forward. You know some of these problems like this one. Are just beginning to be solved. And there are so many different directions. Whether we talked about the singularity. Or whether it's quantum computing.

Or all sorts of different technologies. That it feels like, one of these is going to hit in a way, that totally changes the world, almost immediately.

GLENN: But in a way, let's look at the telephone for a minute. Put yourself back at Alexander who can't mean bell's time. Alexander Graham Bell comes up with this, this is great. Look at this. No one is going to have a telephone for a long time?

STU: That's what they say about everything. Even electricity.

GLENN: They say, I'll go to the town square, that has electricity. And I'll be able to call Washington, if I needed to talk to the president, if it was an emergency. They were thinking like that. They would have never thought. Think of the phone today.

It's no longer cordless. I mean, it's no longer corded.

STU: Right.

GLENN: It doesn't work with -- with wires. It doesn't -- it's a television. It's a camera.

I mean --

STU: It's no longer really even for phone conversations.

GLENN: Right.

STU: And that's I think a really interesting example for how this goes. Think of singularity for a second. Eventually, we merge with machines. My very terrible understanding of it. Eventually, we merge with computers. Where we're able to access information, instantly. Because we have maybe a chip in our head or whatever.

That allows us --

GLENN: Right. And we also have nanobot technology, in our bloodstream, that is keeping you alive. You don't have to take medicine anymore. The nanobots are programmed to take care of your body. And it repairs itself, through technology. Which is connected to AI. A giant machine, outside of your body.

STU: Right. So you're one with AI. You're one with machines. You're a hybrid person.

GLENN: That's the singularity.

STU: That's the singularity.

If you think about, let's say for information purposes. You want to get an answer something. In this world of the singularity, you want to know who is you know the president of France in 2004, right?

It would instantly, you would be able to access that information instantly, inside your brain.

GLENN: Yeah. Right now, you would have to go to Google, open up Google, and type in your question.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The singularity, where it would be imagined to be used at its highest level. Who was the president of France?

Oh, it was so-and-so.

STU: Right. You would know immediately.

GLENN: The minute you think it, the answer is there. Because you're connected to everything.

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Glenn: Kanye West is experiencing a mental health BREAKDOWN

Kanye West is a ‘lost soul,’ Glenn says. But that doesn’t excuse or explain away the horrible things he’s said recently about the Holocaust and Jewish people. Ye is likely in the midst of a mental health breakdown, what he’s saying is INSANE, and the beliefs he has recently expressed are BEYOND wrong. But, Glenn says, Jesus would still give him compassion — even if that’s something WE feel unable to do ourselves…

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GLENN: Kanye.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Can we just begin this with, this -- what you're watching is somebody who is bipolar, and on an extreme crazy high.

STU: You go through manic states when -- I've had relatives that have gone through this.

GLENN: Yes. And it is -- it's dangerous.

STU: You have manic states, where you believe all sorts of crazy things.

GLENN: And believe it to your core.

STU: Core. For weeks. And then you change.

GLENN: It's bad.

STU: This is full-fledged mental health crisis you're watching, in action.

GLENN: It is. And that's the first thing everybody should be saying on this. That's not what they're doing. Because they'll play politics and everything else. But we should have great compassion. And point it out to our relatives. That's what mental illness looks like. No. He's just a bigot. That's what mental illness looks like.

STU: Now, he's also a bigot. And that's also true.

GLENN: Yeah. I think I'm going to have to go there, at least at this time.

STU: Yeah. Would I be completely stunned. If he goes somewhere, gets on some medication, starts to feel better, and say, oh, my God. I can't believe I said that stuff. Yeah, sure, that's possible. Whether that's true or not, it's impossible to know. The bottom line is once you cross lines he has been crossing.

GLENN: Oh, yesterday. Was kind of the end -- the end of career. I mean, this one -- this one is it. This is it.

STU: It's hard -- I mean, is there another place to go. Once you start saying, I like Hitler, you kind of don't necessarily --

GLENN: When you're on Infowars with Alex Jones and Alex is like, whoa. Whoa. That's crazy.

STU: That's the best I've ever seen Alex Jones look. He was by far the most sane person in the room.

GLENN: He looked like Barack Obama in that room. It was crazy.

STU: It was a weird moment.

GLENN: Weird moment.

STU: We have, I know some of the audio we can play. If you haven't heard it yet, it's a little muffled because he's got a mask over his face.

GLENN: Okay. Again, mental illness.

STU: Yeah, not a COVID mask. But like, if you were to put a winter hat and pull it all the way down to your neck, that's basically what it looked like.

GLENN: If you're wearing a hoodie, backwards.

STU: Yes. Backwards.

GLENN: That's what it looked like. I think Kanye could eventually come out and go, that wasn't me.

STU: Right. I honestly wondered, is this his theory here? He's going to say all this stuff, and people are going to blame him, and say, that wasn't even me, I swear.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, and here he is, yesterday: I like Hitler. Cut four.

KANYE: I -- I like Hitler.

ALEX: I don't like Hitler. I know you're trying to be shocking with that.

KANYE: I'm not trying to be shocking. I like Hitler. I -- the Holocaust is not what happened. Let's look at the facts of that. And Hitler has a lot of redeeming qualities.

GLENN: Okay. Stop for a second. Okay. Let's just take that apart for a -- I know there's more. We'll get back to that. I like Hitler. The Holocaust never happened. Okay? Done.

STU: Oh, done.

GLENN: Done. With anyone who is sane. Anyone -- eh, he didn't kill 6 million. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. Buh-bye.

STU: He does say that, that they didn't kill 6 million.

GLENN: Right. Yeah. I know. We've got it.

STU: Once you get there.

GLENN: For me, that's the point that I say, excuse me. Could you just go deeper to that? And then I excuse him from the studio. Okay? I mean, that's the ravings of an absolute madman.

STU: Yeah. Now, look, there are millions of people who believe this. Followers of Louis Farrakhan. Followers of black Israelite ideology. There are a lot of people out there. And many of them seem to be congregated in the celebrity culture. With athletes, singers, comedians. There's -- there's a real underlying problem here. That Kanye is just at the tip of. Put he's the only one going that far, saying this stuff.

GLENN: And I prefer knowing. I'm glad he said that, because I'm like, okay. Okay. I'm not in the same boat as him.

STU: I'm glad knowing.

Because, normally, I would say -- if you want to put on somebody who will talk like this, I want to know who they are. So I don't necessarily want their voices censored. From the perspective of, I want to know exactly who they are.

GLENN: Me too.

STU: That being said, the only thing I have here that is a moderation aspect of this. The mental health aspect of this. This guy is completely bonkers.

GLENN: Exactly right.

STU: And, by the way, can we at least point out, we've been saying he was bonkers for a long time. Go back to our show of 2005, when we were talking about Kanye West, George W. Bush doesn't care about black people. He's been insane. Insane. Every day, including the days he put on a red hat. All the days until now.

GLENN: Yeah. Even the days we liked him and said, I think this is a real spiritual awakening. I think this is good. However, let's not all get on to the, he's the greatest guy ever. He's nuts. He's nuts.

STU: I didn't go as far as many did, as far as embracing him. I never did.

GLENN: No. You were always like, this guy is insane.

STU: However, I will say, I was rooting for his Christian conversion to be real. I always will root for that, no matter what the situation is.

GLENN: And to be honest, I think it is real.

STU: Because he says it, Hitler is born a Christian.

That's not the resume. We don't put that on the resume for Christians. We skip that completely.

And, by the way, he was not a Christian. He was not a Christian. I won't go into the whole history here. He absolutely was not a real Christian.

He absolutely hated Christianity. He wanted to destroy it.

Okay. So now, let me just say, you can, in an adult conversation with -- with an intellectual and highly spiritual bent, you could sit in a room with a few people and say, let's talk about Adolf Hitler. Okay?

Bad guy killed millions of people. Holocaust was real. Absolutely anti-Semite. He was -- he was most likely clinical insane by the end.

Really bad guy. However, if you're God, do you want -- do you hate him, or do you say, here is a soul that went so awry? If you're God, not me. Okay. If you're God. You know Jesus would look at Hitler, I think and say, forgive him, Father, he knows not what he does.

Now, I'm not Jesus. So I don't do that. But that's probably --

STU: No. Right.

GLENN: But that's the discussion you have philosophically, you know in a -- not on the Alex Jones show wearing a mask. Let's just say that.

STU: No?

GLENN: I'm just saying.

STU: You can go back even to that time, when he was doing these things actively and was alive doing them, and you can find spiritual leaders who will say things like that. Right? I'm sure if you went to Gandhi, he would be like, look, he's a lost soul. We can all feel that way.

GLENN: Yes. Mother Teresa absolutely would have said that. He's a lost soul.

STU: And he is a lost soul. But he did also much worse than just that.

GLENN: But Mother Teresa would not have said, you can't say out loud, this person never did in any good.

Okay. Maybe, Mother Teresa. Maybe. Maybe. I'm done with the classifications. Yes, she would have said that. Every human being has something of value. Yes. I agree. But she definitely would not have said, especially Hitler.

STU: Especially. If you were to single him out for all his positives.

GLENN: For all the positives he brought to the table. No, I don't think especially Hitler. No. Continue on. Because there's more

KANYE: I got to watch my accounts because they've been frozen by Jewish banks.

GLENN: Okay. Stop for just a second.

Yeah. I'm going to have to say, crazy. Okay?

STU: Yes, he's completely crazy, and it's worse than that.

It's not just a lunatic raving things in the streets. At some level, these views are something he's obviously entertained before. This is not day one of this theory.

GLENN: No, no, no.

I think this is -- I really -- here's my guess: He got into Christianity. It was new to him. He got all you know revved up. And really was on the right track. This is my guess.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: But then you introduce mental illness with that, and then his love for shock, plus his -- his -- the fact that he's being abandoned by all friends and everything else, and he's a huge superstar with lots of money, grifters come in, crazy people come in, and start to say, you know what, I'm with you on Jesus. And, you know what, and Jesus was a black man. And he was not a Jew. He didn't like Jews.

And you can see with the mental illness, you can see him go down this road with really bad people surrounding him. Not to this degree. But I've had friends -- I think we've all had friends. When you're surrounded by the wrong people and it is really to happen, when you have fame and fortune, especially at his level. That you can start hanging with the wrong people. And also, with religion.

Religion and this goes to the religion of global warming and everything else.

Look at how many of our friends have started to accept Marxism or celebrate your abortion. Because they got wrapped up with the wrong friends, that it wasn't obvious to them, that they were the wrong friends. You're like, stop buying this, you're drinking the Kool-Aid. What you're drinking is very dangerous. No, it's want. And all of a sudden, they're saying, celebrate your abortion. Dude, what are you talking about? I'm for the drag queens in story hour for the little kids. What have you become? We are living at a time where the world is mentally ill. And then people who are clinically diagnosed as mentally ill, are in real trouble.

STU: Which he has been, multiple times. And obviously has not been treated for it. Look, we can sit here and do this thing, where you look for the best possible, you know, scenario here, to explain his behavior.

GLENN: Yeah. But I'm not explaining the way.

STU: Believe me, you literally won the defender of Israel award. I know you're not trying to explain it in any way.

Mental health is really, really significant. When people get into these types of moments, they believe things. They believe they're in touch with the president. Of course, this guy actually is.

GLENN: You know what, on this one, I feel bad for Donald Trump.

Because Donald Trump, you get a call from Kanye West, and he says, I'm going to be in town, I want to just come by, talk to you about something for dinner.

I would have said, okay. Okay? If Kanye West called me and said, and just -- I want to talk to you about something.

STU: Not now, or any time recently. But I mean, back in the day, sure.

GLENN: No, I think in the last few weeks, I would have.

STU: I wouldn't have. He's been saying these things for weeks. Before he came out as an anti-Semite, sure. But previous to that, no. I mean, after that, no.

GLENN: I would have come out and said, I understand, to some degree, mental illness. Okay? Runs in my family like a pack of wild elephants. Believe me.
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And so I think I would have said, I want to see for myself, and I want to see if I could help. I also appreciate his Christianity. But I think he is -- I think he's lost right now.

STU: Well.

GLENN: I would have sat down with him.

STU: You're more of a man than I am.

GLENN: And listened to him.

Not now. Not now. But if Donald Trump gets a call, hey, I'm coming. I want to talk to you, can we have dinner? He says yes. Now, Trump is also thinking, get this guy out of the election in 2024, because we don't want any votes being wasted.

So he has dinner with him, he doesn't know what that is all about. And he immediately comes out and says, whoa. Real trouble.

STU: Yeah. I mean, the media tried to make that into a Trump issue.

GLENN: It's not.

STU: Understand how that gets out of control. And they -- look, they came out. The Kanye campaign for what it was. Came out and told everybody that the reason they did it was to take advantage of Donald Trump. Like, that was legitimately their goal. At least their stated goal.

Now, whether you can believe any of these people, associated with it, I don't know.

But that was their stated goal, was to hurt Donald Trump. So, again, I think Trump thing is a total. That's a media sideshow when it comes to something. When it comes to the easy parts. It's, the Holocaust happened. This is not difficult. I don't know why so many athletes. So many celebrities, have trouble with this.

This occurred. It's really, really bad. And it occurred.

And the fact that you can't, after all of this time, request all the evidence, that you can't sit back and understand it, and you deny it to this day, is incredibly disturbing. And it's not just Kanye. We've seen this happen with celebrities and athletes, routinely over the past few years.

GLENN: Oh, I know. And there are not just white supremacists. There are black supremacists as well.

STU: Kyrie Irving is white, as far as I know. Y, yeah. There is something on both cultures, at a turn the fringes into madmen.

STU: And let's not forget. You want to talk about a person that is a Holocaust tenure. And anti-Semite. That leaves millions of people. I also can show you a photo of Barack Obama. Louis Farrakhan. You can find tons of people in Congress, who met with this guy publicly.

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THIS is why TikTok is a ‘NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT’

It’s not news that TikTok — owned by Chinese firm ByteDane — tracks data on U.S. users. But how dangerous is it REALLY for China to have your information if you’re doing nothing wrong? It’s extraordinary dangerous. In fact, FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr joins Glenn to explain exactly why the social media app poses a ‘national security threat’ against America...

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GLENN: So this guy is the guy they -- they call him the FCC's 5G crusader. He's the guy who cut all of the red tape. And really pushed for the high speed networks to be built by private businesses.

He is -- he's also the guy who is rough the big forces behind telehealth. Mainly -- mainly for veterans and low income Americans, to be able to get to doctors on their smartphones or tablets or any other connected device, driving down the price, and driving up the access to medicine all around the country. And he also, like micro and I, believe in apprenticeships and everything else. This is -- I think this guy is a real warrior for what we believe are American truths. His name is Brendan Carr. He is a commissioner with the FCC. Brendan, how are you, sir?

BRENDAN: Glenn, so good to join you. Really appreciate the chance to be with you.

Big fan of everything you're doing. And listen, if you ever get in trouble at the FCC, if anybody files for profanity, or indecency complaint against you, just don't mention you know me. It will go a lot better for you.

GLENN: Yeah. I know.

BRENDAN: You and I never talked. That's your story going forward.

GLENN: I know. I know. I know how this works. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about two things. Let's start with TikTok. Everybody in the tech industry seems to be against Twitter. I mean, it's crazy by letting people talk, how they are being accused of destroying free speech.

It's an upside down world.

But TikTok, nobody seems to want to do anything about this. I've read your letter. I've read your report on this. TikTok is extraordinarily dangerous to Americans. Can you fill in, why it's a danger and why everybody in America seems to be focused on Twitter, including the White House, and not TikTok?

BRENDAN: Well, it's quite amazing. And you know TikTok is an example of this. And as we may get into Apple as well. When your product is, for better or worse, immensely popular with consumers. It's amazing what you can get away with, and I think TikTok is the prime example of this. It has millions and millions of Americans. They look at it like, well, it's just a fun platform for sharing videos and dance memes. And the reality is, that's just the clothing.

Underneath, it operates as a very sophisticated surveillance technology. Right in the terms of service, they reserve the right to get your biometrics, including face prints or voiceprints, searching browsing history, key stroke patterns. The list goes on from there. And for years, they said, don't worry, this is stored outside of Beijing. Not a big deal.

Even though our parent company is based in Beijing. And, well, that's been revealed as nothing more than gaslighting. It turns out that according to internal communications, quote, everything is seen inside of China. And that's a massive, massive problem.

In fact, their CEO was testifying in Congress, a couple weeks ago, and was asked point-blank. Do you transfer US user data to employees in Beijing, who themselves are members of the CCP. And the COO said she declined to answer that question. So that's troubling. There's also this question that came out, that they had this Beijing-based operation, that was attempting to surveil the location of specific Americans based on their usage of the TikTok application. And that's not to mention obviously, the concerns that come from the content side, where Americans, including children as young as ten years old, are being fed things like the blackout challenge.

That literally can convince them to kill themselves, and some have done that, and died as a result. So it's a national security threat, and it's something that parents should be worried about as well.

GLENN: So explain this to -- because I tried to explain this to my family. My kids were like, yeah. Right. Dad. Got it. What is China going to do with my face print or my fingerprint. Can you explain why that's dangerous?

BRENDAN: Yeah. It really is. And if you want to think about it, there's a version of TikTok itself is not available in Beijing.

But a version of it called Doiann (phonetic), a sister app run by the parent company, and that application shows his science experiments, museum exhibits, educational material. And then again, here in the US, it's showing kids, the blackout challenge. So that's where the real danger comes. Also, if you step back, what really happens when you're using TikTok. Every time you swipe or search, what you're doing is you're feeding, training, and improving China's artificial intelligence, their AI.

And China has said, we want to dominate the world in AI by 2030. And they will use it for authoritarian purposes. For surveillance. For exploiting their control. Even if you step back from your own self and your own kids. And you can TikTok itself. The idea that we're sending this data, these clips back to Beijing, it's improving their AI. And that will around and bite us in ways that are, again, unrelated to TikTok itself.

GLENN: So we have Google doing the same thing. That's why Google is free. Is they wanted all that information, to work on AI.

So you're saying, this is just another version of Google, if you will. That's here in America. To be able to mine for all of that information.

BRENDAN: Yeah. You're right. China has a fundamental flaw, both in their system of government, obviously. But it carries through to AI. Which is they don't have feedback loops. They don't understand sort of Western-free thinking.

And so they need Americans to be on TikTok, to be observing their usage of data, in order to create their AI and make it a healthy system. So the sooner we cut off, data flows back to Beijing, the sooner their version of AI starts to atrophy, and go down a separate path. And it becomes less successful.

So I think we do need to think broadly, how do we stop training China's artificial intelligence. Again, that's a piece of it. It's used for blackmail. It's use for foreign influence campaign.

And where things are right now. Is this is in the court of the Biden information.

The Treasury Department has a group called Cepheus (phonetic), Committee on Foreign Investment. And they've been reviewing TikTok for over a year, at this point. And the New York Times reports that they've got a preliminary deal in place to allow TikTok to continue to operate. Frankly, I think this is a big IQ test for the administration. And it's sort of a pass/fail at this point.

And, in fact, you just had FBI director Chris Ray testify last week in Congress, that said, that the FBI had serious national security concerns.

So I don't see how the Biden administration can go forward and bless TikTok, continue to operate.

When you have the FBI, when you have Democrats, Senator Mark Warner, chair of the Senate Intel Committee saying that it is TikTok, that scares the dickens out of him. But we may very well be heading in that direction there.

GLENN: Google Play store. Apple app store. I know you wrote a letter to both of them. And said, drop. Drop this. This is really bad for the country.

BRENDAN: Yeah. I mean, putting aside the content of what's inside this application, Google and Apple have very clear terms of service to stay in the app store. And if data is being used for purposes that aren't being disclosed. Or if data is traveling the country, and being accessed from countries without that being properly disclosed.

There's precedent for Google and Apple to boot us off the app store for that reason.

So I wrote them a letter, and said, look, in light of the national security concerns, in light of these clearly surreptitious data flows that we're now learning about, just apply the terms of your app store policies, and boot them from the app store. Of course they didn't do that. And that's why you know it's obviously highly ironic. That there was at least the concern this week. That Apple might take action against TikTok. Because, look, if you're pulling advertising dollars, pulling support in Apple's case potentially from Twitter. While keeping your support or expanding your advertising on TikTok, you're sending quite the signal about your brand value. It's very different than the one you think.

GLENN: Oh, I know. Yeah. One last thing. Because I have something else, I want to talk to you about. One last thing. You just kind of brushed up on this. I think it was critical. There's a new survey out that showed, I can't remember. Six or eight out of ten children in China, want to be astronauts. And want to be scientists.

Here, eight in ten, want to be social media movers. Influencers. Yeah.

BRENDAN: Influencers.

GLENN: That's crazy. And part of that is because of TikTok. As you said, they're -- this same thing, under a different name over in China, is encouraging people to do crazy, great things.

And science. And knowledge. And education.

And this same platform, is programmed here, to really make you as dumb as a box of rocks. I don't think that's -- I don't think that's just -- oh, really. I didn't even notice that. That's intentional.

BRENDAN: Yeah. You're right. And this is why I talked about TikTok as China's digital fentanyl, because it is effectively a pipe directly from Beijing, from the CCP, into the ears and eyes and minds of millions and millions of America's youth. And what they're being served is divisive content. It's content that is increasing ADHD problem. Suicide ideations. Body image issues. This is what is being fed to us.

And that's -- that's deeply -- deeply concerning. And that's why I think, it's incumbent upon the Biden administration to step in and take some action here.

GLENN: Brendan Carr, FCC commissioner. If you don't mind, I need to take a one-minute break. Because I'm actually being funded by you know the private industry and market. But take one minute, we'll be back. With Brendan Carr. FCC commissioner.

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So, Brendan, I have a philosophical question. And I would like you, if you would, noodle this out.

I tried to contact you a few weeks ago. Because I was presented with a story, of a book that was in a school library. And being read to kids in school. And it was one of the most vile things, I have ever read.

And look, I've done this for 40-plus years. I know exactly what I can and can't say with the FCC. Okay?

And I've always understood those to be community standards. Et cetera, et cetera.

Here's my -- here's my problem. There are times, when things need to be heard by the general public. And I know we can go online and do it, et cetera, et cetera.

But why, when we are a community standards-based system, if -- if you can teach it to my children, and have it in the classroom, why can't I -- a program that is aimed at adults and during the day, when kids should be in school. Why can't I read that book on the air?

BRENDAN: Well, you're right. We still have in place at the FCC rules that apply to broadcast radio and broadcast television that regulate profanity and decency. Similar content, like that. It obviously hasn't been enforced very much, in the last few years. But they're still in the books. There is a point at which, potentially, you reading things from across the broadcast airwaves. That may be found in a library, somewhere.

Could have issues, under the FCC's you know profanity. And decency regulations. Now, of course, there tends to be a newsworthy exception to a lot of that stuff. You can cover issues and stuff like that.

It's a challenge. And some people say, how you generally square this pro speech. Free speech view, with that type of stuff.

And I would say, look, what we can speak of, as adults. Is really different than the content that can be stocking the shelves for school libraries for kindergarteners.

GLENN: Yeah. My problem is, this is a show that is based on information and opinion. You may not like it. But we -- we take it seriously. We take our job seriously.

We try to be responsible. I've always been responsible with the FCC. And it's not a -- you know a 1990s Howard Stern kind of thing. Which we're way past that.

This is -- this is being read to our students, in many schools, all across the country.

And it is absolutely indecent.

And I know it's indecent. But why do I get in trouble, for exposing this indecency? And the way to expose it, is to make people understand, by hearing it, how unbelievably indecent it is.


BRENDAN: Yeah. Look, I think we've gone a long way recently in trying to address this issue by doing what you're doing. We've had instances where parents have tried to read books from their -- again, kindergarten Anna library. At school board meetings and city council meetings. And they have been shut down and said, we can't allow that content to be spoken at these city council meetings. Yet, there it is in the kid's classroom. And so I do think there's some progress in that.

You know, from my perspective, I remember growing up in high school. The famous Eminem song. "The FCC won't let me be." It's quite ironic after humming that song in high school, that I've ended up at the FCC. And, look, we try to be very pro-free speech about this stuff, but this is an issue that we're dealing with as a cultural matter right now.

GLENN: And I would not have a problem if it were me, possibly losing my license. But I -- I lose the license -- anything I do, could possibly jeopardize the license of every license in my chain. So there's no way. There's no way, I'm going to put people out of work to prove this.

BRENDAN: Right. Right.

GLENN: What do you recommend?

BRENDAN: Well, look, again, there's a newsworthy exception to discussing some of this stuff.

You know look, if you think it's -- it could be good or bad. I don't know. But if it's close to the line. There still are background indecency. Profanity rules to the FCC.

We do get complaints from time to time. We usually dismiss them or don't address them. And anything you do, potentially subject yourself, FCC scrutiny in those cases.

GLENN: My problem is, I had some of the best attorneys in Washington. On free speech and FCC. I always had -- for about 25 years. About three years ago, they called, they also represent Google and Apple. And Facebook.

And they dropped me, in the middle of a case. As a client. Because it made their other clients uncomfortable. And they had to make a choice.

So I'm not sure if you will see me and my attorney at some point.

Because I -- you know hard to get one. If you have to have my opinion today.

Brendan thank you so much.

I appreciate all you do at the FCC. God bless.

BRENDAN: Appreciate it, thank you.

GLENN: You bet. Brendan Carr, FCC commissioner.

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How EVIL Marxists are using CHILDREN to DESTROY our society

The recent Balanciaga scandal is shocking and disgusting, but it’s not new. In fact, in this clip, Glenn explains how Marxists have been targeting our children in order to destroy the family structure, and eventually capitalism, for years now. Their tactics — especially ones that use children — are EVIL, Glenn says, but thankfully we have an advantage: We are resilient thanks to our faith, our history, and our traditions. But if we start to lose those, Glenn warns, ‘we become vulnerable.’

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GLENN: Balenciaga. Is still in the news. Thank goodness, quite honestly. Thank goodness. The View could not bring themselves to say that what happened in those ads with the S&M teddy bears and the children was a bad thing. In fact, the -- I guess the conservative one, Alyssa Griffin, who I've never heard of. Anyway, she said, I found this ad campaign particularly distasteful in this moment.

Wait. Wait. So it would be okay, if it's not in this moment? Another moment, you would be fine?

There's this growing anti-LGBTQ sentiment right now. And how it's being framed as portraying trans people as groomers.

I -- I -- I don't think people are putting trans people as groomers. I think it's anyone who is pushing pedophilia.

Don't you think that's what it is? Anybody who is trying to sexualize our children.

Those are groomers. I think there are people that you know are claiming to be totally straight, that are sexually attracted to children. I don't think that that's straight. Because I think straight, gay people, and everybody else.

I think there's a vast majority that think, sex with kids, not a good idea.

STU: Wow. Great stance. Mr. Hot take over there. Jeez.

GLENN: I know. I know.

So this is just -- this is sick.

So, anyway, a lot of trans people are being framed as groomers. This is a term you'll hear on the far right. They're groomers.

STU: So the Balenciaga campaign is disturbing, because it supports what the far right says. That's why it's disturbing?

GLENN: Yeah, yeah. And they played right into their hands, by having kids in a sexualized manner carrying something that represents, you know, sex acts. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

So it's distasteful, at this moment, because it's being -- it's being portrayed by the right as something sick.

Can we just all agree, that sexualizing our children, is bad?

Can we agree? Apparently, not. Apparently not.

The New York Times weighed in, lumping the ad campaign with Fox news and QAnon.

So the only people -- and, you know what, if that's true, then color me there. If those are the only people standing up and saying, I think the sexualization of children, then I guess that's who my peeps are.

STU: Shockingly, that's not the only --

GLENN: Oh, it's not. No, it's not.

STU: No.

GLENN: This is brought on by Marxism. Marxism is evil. It is evil.

How do I know? I don't know. Let's look at the fruit of the tree. 120 million dead in 100 years? I don't know. Seems pretty evil to me.

A poet once said, if you will not have God, and he's a jealous God, you should pay your respects to Hitler or Stalin. The intellectuals and the activists that dominate our culture today are doing this.

They're sworn to accomplish it in a fashionable new way, with the destruction of God and the family. This is the left's biggest mission. I'm not talking about your neighbor. I wish your neighbor would wake up, and start standing with people, when they see our children are under attack.

They hate capitalism. And for some reason, they see the family as capitalistic. No. That's -- that's actually not true. What is true, is that they hate family.

And capitalism comes after that. But to sell it to people, you have to start with capitalism. But this is an evil, evil idea. And so they know, in the end, they have to destroy the family.

Klaus Schwab, encourages redefining family identity. Quote, increasingly the traditional family unit is being replaced by the trans national family network.

What the hell is that, Klaus? Why is this guy in everybody's cabinet? It's no coincidence that the left has become Marxist, at the same time, it's worshiping men in dresses. Encouraging children to climb on to stripper poles. Marxism and pedophilia are a match made in hell. Wherever Marxism appears, it will sprout pedophiles. But pedophiles exist even in capitalist -- you know pedophiles can be anything. But you have to understand that Marxism is evil.

For -- for starters, Marx didn't consider the long-term effects of destroying the family. He just wanted to destroy the family. Any time it has been tried in the Soviet Union, it resulted in a massive spike of orphans, which leads to massive spikes in pedophilia.

Look at our border policy. What's happening to all those kids? You're starting to see reports, I know, only from the right.

Because the left can't admit it. Pedophilia is going through the roof because it supplies orphans.

In the wake of World War II, orphans became easy prey. And there was a German psychologist who turned post-World War II Germany into his experiment in pedophilia. His goal was to spread Marxist values to fight fascism.

Did you know that Stalin in the mid-1930s had an affair with a 13-year-old girl?

Stalin did. Thirteen years old. Sources called her, his child bride.

Even though, after she got pregnant, he dumped her.

Marxism has a long lineage of this. Why?

Not because it's Marxism. Because it's -- it was birthed in evil.

In the Communist Manifesto, on what foundation is the present family? The bourgeoisie family? What's it based on? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie.

Best of all, abolishing the family would be relatively easy once the bourgeois family. The bourgeois family will vanish. As a matter of course, when the complement vanishes. Both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. He said the bourgeois claptrap about family and education, about the hollowed co-relation of parents and child, become all the more disgusting, the more by the action of modern industry. All the family ties, among the pro let Arizona are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labor.

Now, when you think of Karl Marx and Marxism, think of a specific image. And that image is, an animal devouring its offspring.

And that is exactly what's happening. And it's happening more often, because the left has run out of enemies.

They're cannibals. And they have to eat something.

They always end eating themselves.

Marx envisioned a complete purge. I'm quoting, of society.

So that communists could have their revolutionary dictatorship. He advocated for an overthrow of the entire legal system. Gee. Let's reimagine it.

The proletariat cannot conquer power within the legal framework established by the bourgeoisie, that this revolution had to be violent. The forceable overthrow of all existing social conditions. These are his words. He wanted to change everything.

He wanted to reverse all traditions. All values. All beliefs, that weren't his.

What was that Michelle Obama quote?

I think she stated it very, very well.

VOICE: And Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices. We're going to have to change our condition.

We're going to have to change our traditions, our history. We're going to have to move into a different place. He wanted to get rid of everything that was sacred, even if it had been sacred since before recorded history. Even if it was an invaluable part of being human.

Truth.

He hated religion. He spited God. He said that labor and not God, created man. Christ preached love, so Marx incited violence and encouraged death. He got kicked out of Belgium for buying guns for terrorists.

Society valued marriage. So he degraded the family unit. He replaced faith with doubt. Compassion with prejudice. Truth with feeling. Art with propaganda. And work with laziness.

The left has internalized all his attitudes about life. Without God. Without family. Without marriage. Without faith. Without art. Without truth, without compassion, all you are left with is an urge to destroy. And when nothing is sacred, human life is expendable.

Marx believed that the individual human life was much more important than the well-being of the community. He believed that human beings should sacrifice themselves for the sake of the community or for future generations. If you just scroll through Twitter, you will see the left has perfected this attitude.

They've improved on it. They've industrialized it.

Their utopia resembles a Brave New World. Where monogamy is taboo. Sex is fused with violence and degradation. Orgies are routine.

Children are sexualized many times forcefully. The family structure, destroyed.

Any mention of family, mother, father, is described as smut.

Yet, anything degrading is encouraged. Especially among young children.

Even the origin of life holds no beauty.
There's literally something called the embryo store, where meaningless babies are cultivated by the dozen-like grapes on a vine.

Have you seen the little lamb that is grown in a plastic bag? We're not far from this, gang.

Here's the -- here's the advantage we have. We are very resilient. Because of our faith. We are very resilient, because of our history and our traditions. If we start getting rid of those, we become vulnerable.

There is truth. Now, you can call yourself whatever you want to call yourself. And I'm fine. Whatever. Whatever.

But do not me to go down the road with your truth. Because there is universal truth. And there are hard wired biological difference between family and non-family.

That's why our teachers, they might like our kids. They might say they love our kids. But they will never fight for our kids like a traditional mother will.

I don't even know. I mean...

Parents guard their children from vipers. And as long as there's at least one family and one believer left alive, then God and family are full of light, stronger and brighter than anything or anyone who claims victory over their supposed demise.

Just remember what is true.