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Americans Will Wig Out If North Korea Unleashes This Disruption

How do you solve a problem like North Korea? The rogue country has amassed nuclear weapons and missile technology, along with guns and robotic launchers along its 150 mile border. They could easily kill tens of thousands of people in Seoul in neighboring South Korea --- not to mention the 30,000 or so U.S. troops stationed there.

"We don't want any American soldiers to die, but at least soldiers know that they're in there and can be called upon at any time to fight," Doc Thompson said Tuesday, filling in for Glenn on radio

And if the situation escalates? What if North Korean has the capability to hit, say, Seattle by the end of President Trump's first term?

"The guy is crazy enough to do it, and then you've got all the malware attacks and whatever. How long before they release something that shuts us down? And think about this, folks, if we have a disruption in our internet capability . . . it doesn't even have to be electronic . . . if we have that for a day, Americans will wig out.

Enjoy this complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

DOC: Hey, there it's Doc Thompson. We'll get some of your calls about what we're supposed to do about North Korea being somebody that is torn between helping people that are truly oppressed and caring about human rights and my fellow man as a Christian but also somebody who says it's not our responsibility to police the world. And North Korea's going to be a quagmire if we get involved. Even if we do good there, there will be as many pain that we're going to have to endure. Likely something is amping up. We are coming to a head one way or another with this. I don't know if it's tomorrow or six months from now. But eventually, we're going to have to deal with North Korea, whatever that is. It could just be some sort of cyber attack that we unleash. It could be something more militarily. Based on what happened over the weekend, I wouldn't be shocked if we see something today or tomorrow. If it doesn't happen today or tomorrow, it will be weeks down the road.

BRANDON: You think from our side?

DOC: From our side. What happened over the weekend is likely to spur Trump and our allies to take some sort of action.

BRANDON: Yeah.

DOC: They launched another missile. This was a -- this was yesterday. It was a asked you-type missile, and they keep increasing the technology and the payload that it can carry. The one over the weekend went into the Sea of Japan where ships come and trade. That's where it landed, clearly trying to intimidate them. And this has gotten more accurate and closer to Japan than some of the other ones in the past. Japan of course is pissed. They freaked out. South Korea is freaked out. They immediately called for an emergency meeting of the security counsel. Trump was speaking with them soon after it happened as well. The president of South Korea called for that emergency meeting. Now, Kim Jong-un has only been in power for six years. Okay? And he's already tested more missiles than his father and grandfather did combined. So his father Kim Il-sung tested 16 over his administration. His father Kim Jong-il tested 15. And Kim Jong-un, 78. 16 and 15 for their entire administration. Their entire rule, and he's done 78 in six years.

BRANDON: Maybe you can help me out on this because I'm very confused. After the sanctions were passed not long ago like in 2016, Kim Jong-un responded by building these high-rises in Pyongyang to make sure that everyone still knew he was the boss man; right? The problem is they didn't have the necessary materials for this high-rise. They actually had to skimp on a lot. In order to compensate, they went to people's residences and said give me your pots and pans, any kind of metal that you have so that we can actually put it into this high-rise.

BRAD: Melt them down.

BRANDON: Melting them down. If they didn't have anything to give, by the way, the fine them. So if they don't have the necessary materials build a high-rise in Pyongyang, how are they getting all of the material they need to throw into all of the missiles for all of these tests?

DOC: They're getting a lot of it from the black market but also over the years from China. China has been their up front trading partners. And I think part of the reason they're amping up now is China is caught. If they want to keep the money coming from the U.S. without us buying their cheap crap, they have to appease us a little bit. And that 38 parallel is not -- what do they care if North Korea became part of South Korea? It became a republic, a democracy. They're still right there. It's not going to be as big of a deal as it used to be. South Korea is already in the region. So they've been putting more economic pressure on North Korea saying we're not going to trade with you as much. They've turned back their coal ships, so North Korea is reluctantly to sell. Many experts say that they think the pace North Korea's on with building their missiles that they can reach -- could reach Seattle and carry one of their own built nuclear warhead before the end of Trump's administration. His first term.

BRAD: Well, that's what Kim Jong-un has said. The bigger gift packages to the United States is what they're working on. A bigger gift package to the United States after successfully launching that.

DOC: Either that's lost in translation.

BRANDON: A little strange.

DOC: Or is it being snarky or maybe turning over a new leaf. Sorry about that missile. I've got a big gift package for you coming. It's a nice fruit basket. It will have some CDs in it. How do you feel --

BRANDON: No, this is North Korea. They're still on tape.

BRAD: Cassettes.

BRANDON: I've got some mix tapes coming your way.

DOC: I've got some cassettes. I've made them myself. Kim Jong-un giving speeches of himself on tape. All of those classes that he took. You know. It's highly likely that North Korea was also responsible for that cyber attack, that malware one that hit 150 countries, a bunch of banks a couple of weeks ago. It looks like Russia may have got the technology from the NSA by hacking part of it. And then tried to sell it on the world stage. That's one of the allegations and were not successful. But that North Korea then put it into use. And North Korea has its own floor of people that do nothing but hacking, and they're really good at it. This is something we've known for a while. So if that's true, something they call malware exportation, it may be responsible for some of the past attacks, the one that was Sony a couple of years ago. This is now a national security threat by itself. And then the continued missile testing and the fact that they have nuclear capabilities. What are we going to do? Should we do anything? Is it actually a threat? Your calls coming up next on the Glenn Beck Radio Program.

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DOC: Doc Thompson for Glenn today. Joining me brag stags and also Brandon Morse as well from The Blaze. We do get to some of your calls, the aggressions, specifically the missiles that North Korea has launched in the few months onshore so. But let's go right to North Carolina and Henry. How are you? Hey, Henry, welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. How are you?

CALLER: Fine how are you?

DOC: Doing well. So what do we do about North Korea?

CALLER: Well, first of all, what we do is test our NATO allies, choke them off and see which allies are really with us. And it's a test for both worlds and the blockades have always worked throughout history. I haven't -- I don't recall one that did not work, so, to me, -- and then if it pushes them into the aggression, then they're the aggressors.

DOC: The sanctions that we put in place over the years have been somewhat effective. We've put them on the hook sometimes. But recently, we haven't. In fact, we have China saying we're not going to take their coal, they've turned back their ships, and then China is not trading to send them goods. So there are effectively blockades in place. Maybe not to the extreme you're talking about. And then secondarily, if it pushes them into being the aggressor, that makes us look better. But it still doesn't make us look better stopping the almost 30,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, Seoul, Japan, it still doesn't deal with the problem, does it?

CALLER: Well, if China has them cut off by land, they're cutting off the gas supplies and whatnot, then the last thing left is cutting them off by sea. So my thinking would be that if we cut them off in both areas, and we are walking hand and hand with China so to speak and then like I said, NATO is a big issue right now, and we test to see who would like to send a ship or two to also help because the world needs to take on the problem. But we need to take a lead.

DOC: Henry, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate it.

BRANDON: My problem with this is that Kim Jong-un is a vindictive person. When he feels like he's been slighted or if he feels he's been made to look weak, he reacts in very odd ways. Like I said earlier, he built a whole series of high-rises in Pyongyang with money that he doesn't have. If the world gangs up on him, his mentality, the Juche mentality that all North Koreans are hammered with will kick in, and he'll pretty much lash out on everybody.

DOC: Well, he's a crazy man.

BRANDON: He's insane.

DOC: Let's go to Bill in California. Bill, you're on the Glenn Beck Radio Program. How are you?

CALLER: Yeah, this whole thing with the missiles. Number one, I think they're giving us free targets to practice our antimissile capabilities. Only downside is if they fail, then these people are going to go, oh, we can't do that because we'll look bad. I think we should just take advantage of that and use that we do have ships over there, et cetera. The other thing is President Trump needs to -- he's already talking to Japan and South Korea, and they need to tell these people just like they did with NATO. Look, all of this is costing us a fortune. The ships, the men, the missiles, everything. And you guys if you want us to help you, we need some financial help or some kind of help that's real. You know, some real materials or whatever it is because we're broke. We're 20 trillion in debt and growing.

DOC: Well, Bill, I get that. But how do we -- first of all, should we take some sort of action at this point? Based on their --

CALLER: Yeah, this guy just like you just said. You know, he's vindictive. This guy is not going to change.

DOC: So we have to go in and nip it. Just take out the snake.

CALLER: We have to because it's like a -- it's like the PLOs and the Israelis. It's going to go on forever. But this guy isn't going to wait forever.

DOC: Do you say that based on America's national security. Is that your motivating force here?

CALLER: Well, it's not just ours. We have obligations to our allies. Okay. You've got this gun, and you've built all of this stuff up and now you're going to do nothing? Because all we've had so far is just lip flapping, so to speak. We're saying this and that and the other but no action, and we need some action. And it's, like. Okay. Everybody's afraid of World War III. Well, you know, this guy is shooting missiles. And it's, like, he's threatening, and he has to be stopped.

DOC: Well, the reason I ask that -- the reason I ask your motivations, and I agree with you with those points as well. Thanks so much for the call. The reason I ask that, the DMZ is about two and a half miles wide, and it is one of the, if not the most fortified border on the planet. North Korea has amassed, aside from nukes and aside from missile technology, they have amassed guns, robotic launchers, I mean, it is on that border. All 150 miles coast to coast. It is just lined. It is thick. Seoul is 30 miles or so from the DMZ. Pyongyang isn't that much from the other side. They can easily kill tens of thousands of people in Seoul. Soul has about 20 million people. More than New York. New York has about 7.5 million or so in the city in the metropolitan tin area, so 15 total. It's more populated than New York, just to give you some perspective.

If we go in and American soldiers die, and I think there's about 30,000 in South Korea, we don't want any American soldiers to die. But at least soldiers know that they're in there and can be called upon at any time to fight. But the other Americans that are there and the South Korean's who are a partner, they're going to die. There are going to be people die. So I don't know if we can stop them from dying. But then again, if you say this is going to get really bad, and they could hit Seattle, you know, by the end of Trump's first term with a nuke and the guy is crazy enough to do it, and then you've got all the malware attacks and whatever, how long before they release something that shuts us down? And think about this, folks, if we have a disruption in our Internet capability. It doesn't even have to be electronic. If we have that for a day, Americans will wig out.

BRAD: Yeah, 20 minutes without Internet. Those commercials.

BRANDON: The economy will take a hard dive too. I mean, it will. That's a lot of where our business is right now.

DOC: Right. We've learned. And remember, the attack on 9/11 wasn't just about fear and the 3,000 people who died and the planes and the buildings. It was also an economic attack. Do you know how much damage they did with that alone? That's what terrorism does. It hits on all those fronts. There was a time I think three years ago or so where the EBT card system, which is just the electric benefits, electric food stamps --

BRANDON: Oh, I remember this story.

DOC: They're on, like, credit cards. It went down in six states for, like, ten hours or whatever it was for a Friday or Saturday.

BRANDON: I don't even know if it was that long.

DOC: A few hours.

BRANDON: Yeah.

DOC: It was chaos. People were looting. And I don't mean in the ghetto and the poor. It was average places that people said to hell with it if I want to swipe, I'm going. And the stores said we better let them go. That was just a few hours in six states. Imagine that not even the course of a week or two just a couple of days for awe of our Internet, technology, credit cards, or whatever. Think about what it does to all of us. It stops all plans we have. It stops us from booking flights, getting money out of the bank, people wig out, civil disobedience, the economy. If they unleash something like that.

BRAD: Our last caller said that they're giving us a lot of targets for antimissile system. The system has worked in fewer than half of its previous nine tests. So we're not doing real well on that front either.

DOC: We've tested some missiles recently as well, which is back and forth kind of a tit for tat. And we've got one now I think today there's a test that is specifically an intercepter one. If the missiles we will test today if we can hit somebody, it's if we could block a missile from coming in.

BRANDON: Didn't the IDF perfect this technology? I mean, their whole dome idea --

DOC: The iron dome.

BRANDON: Yeah, they can easily catch a missile in midair.

DOC: I don't know how perfected. But they've tested it, and it has worked. Let's get some calls. (888) 727-Beck. Let's go to Chris in Florida now. Chris, how are you?

CALLER: Oh, I'm fantastic. I love your discussion this morning. And, in fact, I've meet you before.

DOC: It was exciting, wasn't it?

BRANDON: He's tall.

DOC: Thank you so much. What do we do about North Korea?

CALLER: Well, I think we need to make it simple for everyone. The lesson of Neville Chamberlain is blatantly obvious. We cannot cower to bullies. Being nice to dictators doesn't ensure safety, in fact, it results in larger consequences later on. So the appeasement medal in Albright accomplished under previous regimes has essentially made them more powerful in their belligerence, and we have to let them know.

DOC: Is North Korea now at some point where we do something? And is North Korea different from other places that are bad that could be a threat? Even Iran I think is a step behind with their nuclear development. Is North Korea at that level now in your mind?

CALLER: Oh, absolutely. And I think we need to be consistent in our behavior and do this wherever we find bullying. We can't cower with bullies. It's as simple as that. You can't trade with people who are taking captives and doing bad things. You don't give them more tools so that they can do worse later, and that's exactly what we've done in North Korea. We have to stand up to them because the side effects are going to be worse. The collateral damage is going to be even worse. The more he learns and the more he finds it useful as a tool.

DOC: Well, listen, Chris, I appreciate your call this morning. And I agree with bullies, which is the reason I gave James on camera a noogie.

BRANDON: I took Jason's lunch money.

DOC: Well, you may be the problem. Let's go quickly to Pennsylvania to George. Good morning, sir. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

CALLER: Hey, Doc. The earliest how I see it is what is the longer term gain for North Korea by having a war? It seems to me that there is bigger benefit for them to be having a threat of using a weapon, unless they are in conspiracy with other countries that if you take a look at North Korea, what are they? They're nothing. And besides that, you talked about before about China turning back their coal, there's not. There have been reports that the coal trucks and the coal trains are rolling across the border anyway. The ships may be turning back, but they're going back over land. And so what is the benefit of North Korea having a war? I don't see it unless North Korea is just going to be the sacrificial punching bag where North Korea is the one that launches the EMP or the nuke or something like that.

DOC: So do you think we're okay right now, and we should just kind of ride this out a little bit?

CALLER: I think we should show strength. I think we could throw a few more sanctions on them. This is not a show of weakness. This is not a Neville Chamberlain moment. I think it's more. They've got more to lose by not having action.

DOC: Do we have the responsibility to people of North Korea that are being tortured to the inth degree?

CALLER: To a degree, yes. But we do not need to go charging in there to save them at our boys expense. It is not so much our problem, unfortunately. I don't want to come off as being heartless to those people. But there are some problems we can't solve.

DOC: I agree with that, George. Thank you so much for the call. I appreciate it. That makes a lot of sense. As far as sanctions, I don't know how much more you can do. But North Korea really is a suicide bomber.

BRAD: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's assigning logic to North Korea.

DOC: And he's crazy. Kim Jong-un is crazy. You can't be raised in that environment to believe all of this stuff and not, you know, be sizing things up. You've got yes-men around you that tell you that you're great. He's essentially a suicide bomber, and he doesn't know it.

BRANDON: Yeah.

DOC: He could kill tens of thousands of people.

BRANDON: Absolutely.

DOC: But he will be dead within hours. This is not a hold it out, we're going to have to hunt for him. He and his family and his regime, they will be obliterated. But the fear is that he will do a lot of damage beforehand. Back in a moment with more calls on the program. It's Doc Thompson in for Glenn

Beck.

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DOC: Secretary of Defense Mattis was asked about North Korea, and he said a conflict with North Korea would probably be the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetime. The bottom line is it would be a catastrophe, a catastrophic war if this turns into a combat. If we're not able to resolve this situation through diplomatic means. A bunch of people are going to die. It's going to be pretty rough. But they also asked on face the nation, they asked Mattis what keeps him up at night. Did you -- listen to this.

VOICE: What keeps you awake at night?

MATTIS: Nothing. I keep other people awake at night.

[Laughter]

BRAD: That's --

DOC: It almost sounds like a stop line. I am the danger.

BRANDON: I am the danger.

DOC: Right.

BRANDON: I am the one that has --

BRAD: How long has he had that line just waiting?

DOC: An entire bucket full of sayings that he --

BRANDON: How many does he have? He's out there saying all sorts of stuff. I'm saying this with tears in my eyes. Don't F with me, or I'll cull kill you. That's awesome.

DOC: Almost like the --

BRANDON: He has a writer. He has a team of writers in the back also working on the "Fast and Furious" movies.

DOC: That should give you a little bit of confidence. But the point is, if this guy, I keep people awake at night is telling you North Korea is going to be bad if we don't do something militarily, that's something -- that's the guy you walk in -- no, we can kick their ass; right? No, this is going to be really bad for some people. It's not going to be good.

RADIO

How Somalis in Minnesota are FUNNELING Tax Dollars to Terror Groups

Minnesota is facing what may be the largest welfare fraud scheme in American history. Christopher Rufo joins Glenn Beck to expose how Somali-run networks siphoned hundreds of millions in taxpayer funds through fake child-care and food programs, money that federal officials say was funneled through Somalia’s Hawala system, where Al-Shabaab takes its cut. Rufo reveals how state leaders protected these networks, how political incentives and “suicidal empathy” blinded Minnesota’s institutions, and why the corruption spreading through the welfare system is far more widespread than anyone wants to admit. This is not just a crime story... It’s a warning about immigration policy, cultural incompatibility, and the collapse of accountability in modern liberal states.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: So I first ran into Chris Rufo, oh, I don't even know how many lifetimes ago. He was working for the city journal. And he was starting to uncover things. And he started to do investigations on things he cared about. And all of a sudden, he's one of the best investigative reporters out there.

Extraordinarily credible.

Right almost every single time.

And he is joining us, at the Blaze. He is the host now of his own TV show. Rufo and Lomez.

And he is the guy who broke the story a couple weeks ago. About the Minnesota taxpayers who are funding a terrorist group. Al-Shabaab. I don't know. Is that a problem?

Can I ask you, am I more outraged?

And I haven't paid any Minnesota tax. Am I more outraged than the people of Minnesota?

I mean, I know there's origins up there. So Norwegians are like, yeah, sure. I mean, you know, they don't seem to get very excited about. And they're very, you know, socialized and everything else. They're very big heart. Blah, blah, blah. And they don't seem to -- you know, Swedish, Norwegian, you know. But is there any point where they're outraged? Is there any point where they're like, you know what, this socialization thing is good, but not like this? This socialized, hey, let's help everybody, but not like this. I mean, you have a billion dollars taken from the taxpayers. A billion.

Is -- and I don't hear anything from the people of -- I mean, if you're -- if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money -- you knew was being taken away from children who need food, they were faking all kinds of health issues for other children, and so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group. Wouldn't you be kind of pissed?

Because I know I would be.

Are the people in Minnesota pissed about it?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't think. If it was my state. I don't think the governor would be in the governor's office. But maybe that's just had he. Christopher Rufo joins me now.

Chris, we were just talking about -- thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things you have exposed over the years. Thank you for doing all of the hard work, and being credible the whole time.

It doesn't -- am I more outraged by this story than the people of Minneapolis? Because they don't seem to have a problem with it. Is it just me?

JASON: It's even more bizarre, actually. You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about. Which is that a group that is a recent arrival was permitted, or asylum, refugee status into the United States. Has now systematically looted the Treasury of the state of Minnesota. But Minnesota politicians are also outraged, but they're outraged that we notice this.

And that we've called this out. And that we're saying, this is not okay. So you have the mayor of Minneapolis, speaking in Somali, saying that he will do whatever he can.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

CHRIS: Do whatever he can to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all.

And, I mean, find this borderline suicidal. And the Scandinavian. Kind of the Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota, is just being statistically exploited. And they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it.

GLENN: Yeah. I mean, what's happened to Sweden is happening in -- you know, in -- in Minnesota.

It's just -- they take the kindness and the socialized everything. And they just absolutely abuse it, until there is nothing left.

And, you know, I don't -- let me ask the question.

And I want to be really careful here. Because I -- and I know you're not.

Nobody is reasonably saying this. That all Somalis just want to rip us off. Not true. I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia, because it is an absolutely corrupt system.

And now, our politicians are just recreating, you know, what they had in Somalia. And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia and Minnesota is for that.

But when you -- when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works.

It is so rife with corruption. Is this something that is being imported, or is this just a handful of bad guys?

CHRIS: Well, it's a little bit of both. And as you said, we have to be careful and precise as we think about it. What's happening, obviously, not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes.

GLENN: Correct.

CHRIS: But it's true that many, many, many, many -- an extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes, prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated. And some of them are involving dozens and in some cases hundreds of families. And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population. But the -- the point is this: Related to immigration. We always have had an immigration system that makes group level analysis.

And so small ease, for example, for many decades, now, have been given special privileges, in America's immigration system.

You have special status for asylum, for refugee programs. And so we have rewarded Somalis on the basis of -- of a group identity.

And I think that it's totally fair to say, hey. Wait a minute.

We can't take everyone from around the world. We have to prioritize by group.

We can't judge every single human being around the world as an individual.

And the reality is that the Somali community is not coming as individuals. They're coming as a community. And so you can say, you know, there are absolutely great people. Wonderful Somalis.

The incredible Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali.
Incredible woman.

GLENN: Incredible.

CHRIS: But the fact is that they're bringing the cultural systems from Somalia to the United States, and they are just fundamentally incompatible. That's the brass tacks. The bottom line. The end of the story.

And -- and what I was looking for and hoping for, was that Somali leaders would stand up and say, what's happening in our community is wrong.
We're going to work with. We're going to work with law enforcement to stamp out this corruption within our own house. But instead, they have gone just the opposite. They are promising that members of their communities. No criticism. And should operate with impunity.

GLENN: Tim Walz and even the mayor. How do they survive this?

CHRIS: Here's -- here's the actual, sad truth. I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians. But there's something about liberal culture, where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder, you know, theft, can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad. And as a form of penance or -- or -- or kind of self-flagellation. We have to accept any amount of crime, provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes. And so I'm actually pessimistic, and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up. And command that this corruption stop.

GLENN: You know, I remember Michele Bachmann came to my apartment when I was living in New York City, probably about 2008, maybe '9. And she sat me down and she said, Glenn, you have to pay attention to what's happening to my State Department, in Minnesota.

And I said, what do you mean?

She said, they're moving whole communities into Minnesota. And she's like -- and I said, communities. What do you mean?

She said, Somalis.

And I'm like, why would they be moving to Minnesota? What?

You miss being surrounded by feet of snow for six months out of the year? And she said, no. She said, it is the State Department.

It's like they selected, you know, Minnesota, and moved people in as a communist community.

Was this -- was this done. I mean, I'm having a hard time separating.

Like USAID.

I know what that is. We all know what that is. This is corruption. And they knew exactly what they were doing.

Is this incompetence, just corruption?

Is there planning involved in this.

Is this, you know, I hate America so much.

Cloward and Piven.

What is this?

GLENN: So there are two arguments that have been floated to answer, this an attempt to answer this question.

The first argument is that the left knows how to gain power. And by importing dependent foreign groups into the -- into the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes. In exchange for patronaging. Or in this case, corruption.

And that is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power. The other hypothesis. And I think for me, the more persuasive hypothesis. Is that this is just simple, liberal, naivete. And a kind of suicidal empathy, where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.

They judge on inputs rather than outputs. And for them, the measure is how compassionate they can be.

And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles. You know, it might be a combination of the two. But I don't -- you know, again, barring evidence that emerges, I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.

GLENN: How do we know for sure that money went to Al-Shabaab?

CHRIS: Great question. First of all, there have been schemes over the last decade, where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up. And, in fact, it's really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America. But on a particular question of Al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey. Some of this money is getting siphoned off. And essentially taxed by the Al-Shabaab terror network. Once it leaves the United States. And goes into the Somali informal banking system. But this is really not in dispute. Even a left-evening group like the foundation for domestic democracy has long noted that Al-Shabaab skins almost all remittance that travel through the country of Somalia.

And, therefore, it stands to reason, if -- if people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali, through the remittence system, and Al-Shabaab is taking their cut. We're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional, that the end result is the same. Al-Shabaab is receiving American taxpayer dollars that were stolen and routed through their network.

STU: So how is this stopped?

Because I don't think anything in Minnesota will happen. How's this stop?

It feels honestly. Know better than I do. It feels like the tip of the iceberg. I mean, today, the story from the GAO on Obamacare. That's completely out of control. USAID. This is happening.

I mean, tip of the iceberg. How do we stop this, if our politicians won't do anything in the states?

CHRIS: Well, there's two things that we can do. I think first off, in this particular case. Federal prosecutors have done a great job, uncovering these Somali fraud rings. And implementing prosecutions. And so they really deserved enormous credit.

But the federal government should do much more.

And I would recommend that Health and Human Services. And other departments at the federal level. Start all payments to Minnesota. Until they have a third party audit. Until they get their fraud under control.

And, you know, ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money, if you want them to change their behavior. And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud. Will help clean things up fairly quickly.

The reality is, we have a system in the United States. Where it's always a third party payer.

Health insurance, welfare programs. Food stamps, autism services.

Whatever it might be. These are massive third person payer programs. The incentives are, you know, not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules. And they become easy targets for fraudsters.

And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.
CHRIS: And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted.

And it is, by all accounts. From all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest statistic welfare fraud scheme, in American history.

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The Disturbing RISE of Islam in America | Glenn Beck & Allie Beth Stuckey SOUND the Alarm

America is witnessing cultural changes at a pace few expected, and even fewer are willing to talk about. Glenn Beck and Allie Beth Stuckey expose the growing concern among everyday Americans, especially mothers, as mosques replace churches, schools switch to halal-only menus, neighborhoods lose Christmas traditions, and crime spikes in communities transformed by rapid Islamic immigration. While politicians look away for the sake of power, ordinary families feel silenced, shamed, and increasingly unsafe. Glenn and Allie reveal how secularism failed to hold the line, how progressive politics weaponized empathy, and why many believe the West is approaching a cultural and spiritual breaking point.

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GLENN: It's amazing to me how this -- the awareness of this Islamic takeover of the west, how quickly it is spreading, and how quickly people are waking up.

I don't know about the politicians. But the average person is really starting to wake up to this. Don't you think?

ALLIE: Absolutely. And, of course, you have been warning about this for years. But I think a lot of people are just seeing it infiltrate their neighborhoods.

There's mosques, where there used to be churches. And office buildings. There are people wearing hijabs. At their elementary schools. Middle school.

People celebrating Christmas and Hanukkah around this. And you're told that you're not allowed to notice this.

And you're certainly not allowed to care about this.

There's no such thing as American culture.

You can't care about sharing the celebrations with your neighbors.

But people do care.

It's very unsettling. And a lot of people are just finding the words and the courage to say something about it.

GLENN: You know, I don't have a problem with, you know, Halal, or kosher, or anything.

I don't have a problem.

But I do have a problem that my kid's school now has to only serve Halal food.

So wait a minute.

What. What's up with that?

And that's happening all over Texas. Where Halal is your choice now.

And I just --

ALLIE: Right. Can we have a conversation about this, please?

I think what most people just want. Can we at least have a conversation about what's happening in our country?

ALLIE: Right. You know, I asked my Instagram followers. Vast majority are women. Probably 85 percent stay-at-home moms. And when I asked this question -- my followers were about 850,000 on Instagram. And I just said. Totally open-ended. Wasn't looking for a particular answer.

Hey, what is your biggest concern with America right now?

I was just trying to come up with topics for my show. The number one answer over and over and over again was the spread of Islamic dominance, where they are living, in America, in the West. This is very destabilizing for a lot of people. And they're seeing it, not just affect people far off like we used to. But affect their own neighborhoods and their own schools. And so, you know, usually politicians kind of take a while to wake up to what the populace is really scared of.

We have seen some good action in Texas for sure. But this is a real problem. And it's not just an illegal immigration problem. That's the uncomfortable part of it. This is a cultural issue. This is an immigration issue in general.

So we need the people in Washington and in Austin, to come up with the solutions for the people who are concerned about this.

GLENN: So you said that your audience is concerned because it affects them.

How does it affect them?

ALLIE: Well, I think that they're scared of the violent crime that they've seen in places maybe in their own cities. Certainly in places where Islam has to me natured. When we look at places like Dearborn, Michigan.

When we look at our friends across the pond. That sexual crimes. Violent crimes. All increase, disproportionately when there is a large-scale importation of people from these Muslim majority countries. It doesn't mean they're all like that.

It doesn't mean that they can't be good neighbors.

But this is not only a cultural change. This is not only a shift in how their neighborhoods look and feel and the celebration and things like that.

But this also is potentially a threat to their own safety. Especially the safety of their daughters.

And people care about that.

GLENN: I was talking to somebody who was doing a posts with somebody over in London.

Yesterday. And he was talking about this. And I said, you know, I -- I -- I'm not -- you know, I don't follow the news all the time.

You know, closely like I do in America.

About, you know, the United Kingdom. But what I'm seeing coming out of Ireland. And when you think about Ireland. You think of a very Catholic country.

You know, or a Protestant. A very Christian country.

ALLIE: Right.

GLENN: And they fought wars over their own Christianity.

It is almost completely gone now.

You have to go to the way, way outskirts. You know, the northern part of the island, to find that kind of community. The Irish have almost been completely wiped out.

There's very few churches left. They're all being converted into mosques. And, you know, okay. Well, it passes. Et cetera, et cetera.

But to not notice, and not say, wait a minute.

That is the erasing of an entire people and their culture. And that culture is very important to the West.

ALLIE: Right.

GLENN: Should we not care about that?

ALLIE: Right. Well, certainly progressives care about it, when it comes to, you know, non-British. Non-British countries. Or countries that are not America.

They call that colonialism. They call that imperialism.

But apparently, when Muslims do this, it's fine. But the problem was not for Islam. The problem was secularization. The lesson there is that secularism doesn't whole. Atheism -- agnosticism don't hold.

People are looking for meaning. And eventually, ideology in one religion will win.

And right now, Islam and a lot of countries is winning.

GLENN: Yeah. You know, you wrote a book on toxic empathy.

And I think it's a mistake on this one to say, it is empathy that we have gone down the road.

I think this is -- especially if you look in Minnesota.

They turned a blind eye to what's going on in -- in Minnesota.

And I -- I'll bet you in Michigan as well.

Because if you don't have the Muslim population on your side. You're not going to be elected governor.

You're not going to be mayor. So it's not empathy. It's all politics. Which makes it even more grotesque.

But when I see us turning a blind eye to it. We're now entering the time of suicide. And those who are in power, are the -- the doctors engaging in medical assisted suicide for their country.

They know what they're doing at this point. They're just choosing their power, and hold on to their power for as long as they can.

Do you think toxic empathy at this point is still playing a role in this Islamic, you know, hostile, political takeover?

ALLIE: Yeah, I absolutely do. Now, do I think that's the case for Tim Walz or any of these? You know, probably not.

It's probably power. It's fear, as you said.

But for the average person, especially for the woman. Especially for the person who has been told that loving your neighbor means just accepting all forms of people, no matter what their behavior is.

Then, yeah. I do think people are more scared of Islamophobia. Or being called an Islamophobe. When they see the Islamification of their neighborhood. In fact, I think that they think their virtue is tied to how much they like Halal.

And how much they accept the -- the building of mosques around their neighborhood.

And so I do think people feel so strongly, that being exclusive or intolerant, in any way, is a sign of being a bad person.

That they won't speak up.

Because the media social incentives for speaking up against Islam, or against policies. Or anything.

It just, it doesn't exist.

The social incentives in the immediate is to be as progressive as possible.

People respond to incentives. So I think that's a big part of what's going on.

GLENN: Love to hear your comments on Trump over the holiday.

Tweeted out, the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people.

Most of which are on welfare. From failed nations or from prisons. Mental institutions. Gangs or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who because of beautiful hearts do not want to openly complain or cause any trouble in any way, shape, or form. They have put up with what's been happening to our country. But it's eating them alive to do so.

Wow. That's not very empathetic, is it?

ALLIE: Right. That's exactly what he's talking about is toxic empathy. He's talking about our compassion as Americans being weaponized against us. The problem, I wouldn't have said it's a problem. But now it's becoming a problem. For conservatives, we're thinking individually.

We're thinking about our family. And we're thinking, okay. Whatever. Just take my taxes. Do what you have to do. I will keep my head down.

I will work hard. I will move further outside the city. I am going to homeschool.

All of this, and kind of be a recluse, as long as my family is safe. As long as I can make money. As long as things are okay here, then I'll be fine.

Well, progressives for the most part, don't think that way.

They think collectively. They are looking to build a coalition. We are just thinking about our family. And about our immediate future. In our local community.

And that's not really a fair fight, when you have someone who is thinking in the big sense of what we're thinking.

And so he's absolutely right. And that is one weakness that we Christians and conservatives have, even if we're right in thinking that way.

It's hurting us now, especially in ideology, in Islam, that means submission. They're looking to conquer. And conservatives in general, we just haven't been thinking that way.

GLENN: I was talking to Jack (inaudible) from the United Kingdom, and I said, how close are you guys to Civil War?

I mean, I see what's going on. And, you know, collapse. And it's bad.

And he said, I think it's beyond saving, except for God.

What came to mind was, yeah. I agree with that. Except, you've become a godless country. I mean, the Church of England just raised the Islamic flag over the Church of England last week.

What God is there?

He said that there was a resurgence of faith, which would be great.

But how do we fix this, Allie?

ALLIE: Gosh, I pray to the Lord, that that is true. That there is some kind of revival that we don't see. It's important to know that God works -- it's not always a headline. It doesn't always go viral.

It seems he's doing one thing. He's actually doing a million things in unseen and unsung words, such as faithful believers, that may not have radio shows, their podcasts, but they are doing God's word.

And so I pray to the Lord, that that is true. I can't imagine like a better signifier that you've been conquered than another ideology raising its flag over your territory. That is literally a sign that you have been conquered. But God. But God can do anything.

We can pray. He works through the prayer of believers.

He works through the obedience of believers. The boldness of evangelism of believers. We can't all change the world.

But we can be faithful with whatever spot of eternity God has providentially placed us in to make it for the glory of God.

To share the gospel. And to speak beauty and truth and goodness into whatever sphere we occupy. That is the responsibility of a Christian.

That is how God has moved mountains for over 2,000 years, and I think he will continue to.

GLENN: Allie Beth, thank you. God bless you.

ALLIE: Thank you very much.

GLENN: You bet.

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How a Recent Conversation at Mar-a-Lago moved Glenn Beck to His Core

A deeply emotional conversation at Mar-a-Lago left Glenn Beck shaken, echoing the same chilling feeling he first experienced years ago during a private discussion with Charlie Kirk — long before Charlie’s recent assassination. As Glenn recounts his talk with Dave Rubin about danger, spiritual warfare, and the future of America, he warns that we are entering a moment where good and evil are unmistakably visible. From the overwhelming sense of divine presence at Charlie’s funeral to the rising chaos Glenn believes is driven by darker forces, this time feels less like politics and more like history unfolding in real time. The question now is simple but urgent: in a world losing its mind, which side will you choose — truth and light, or confusion and darkness?

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GLENN: So yesterday, I -- I -- I posted this when I got home. A picture my wife took of Dave and I.

We were kind of backstage at Mar-a-Lago. And we sat there for probably half an hour. And had a really honest conversation about what's happening in the world.

What's coming our way. And, you know, some things that are just concerning to both of us.

And I'm not going to get into all the details. Because I don't have permission to tell you everything that Dave said. I did ask him last night, if I could share some of this with you.

You know, he is -- he is Jewish. He's gay. He's married.

And he has two adopted children.

I mean, what else could -- leper? What else box could you check that would make you less popular in what the world that we're seeing come our way?

And he's a reasonable guy. He's a really reasonable guy. And, you know, when we talked years ago, when he was adopted. He was on the show. And he was like, Glenn. I've got to tell you. I've changed so much.

I don't -- I don't know how to justify -- because I know that it's best to have kids with a mom and a dad. And I believe in that. And I -- you know, I just don't know what to say. He was a guy in conflict when it happened. He's not in conflict now. He loves his children. Loves his children. And they're in a very stable home.

He would tell you not the ideal home. Because that would be a mom and a dad. But a great home.

And he said, I am finding myself in a situation to where, I mean, I just don't know what's coming.

And we talked about it. And I shared with him some things that I thought were coming.

Exactly what I did and I didn't realize it, at the time, until I walked away.

Exactly the way I did with Charlie Kirk.

When Charlie came to me in 2018, 2019, and he said, you've always been ahead of the curve. What's coming next.

And I said, well, I mean, if you just study history, Charlie. There's really two things that are left. One, is assassinations. And the second is war. And he talked about Donald Trump and that -- that they would try to assassinate. And I said, yeah. Honestly, Charlie. I think you and me are on that list too.

I said, one of us could go down in this as well.

We'll be targets as well. And we stood there. And I've told this story a million times. We stood there on the balcony of this hotel.

And we just looked over the ocean for a while. And we were both quiet.

And I think he said, one of us said, I can't believe we're having this conversation, and the other one said, I know. It's like we're in a movie, right? It's not real.

And lo and behold, just a couple years after, a few years later, Charlie is assassinated. David and I were having a conversation, and I said, Dave, I hope I'm wrong. But this is the way things could shape up.

And we talked about it for a while. And just as I was getting ready to walk away, he said, I can't believe we're having this conversation.

It's like we're in a movie. And I said, yeah. I -- I know that feeling. And then I walked away.

And when I got to my wife's side, I said, I'm sorry, I'm just really freaked out because of what Dave said to me.

Because of the last time somebody said that to me was Charlie.

We are living in extraordinary times. Extraordinary times. And we are seeing for the first time, we're seeing good and evil.

We are! We're -- we're seeing -- and in ways we've never seen before. You know, when the assassin tried to kill Charlie, he thought, there would be an equal and opposite reaction to that act.

And it would be that people would either side with him. Or they would rise up and they would start killing, you know, the left. And we would -- we would go into that Civil War thing.

But that's not what happened. An opposite action happened, as a reaction.

But it was not equal.

It was so far beyond equal.

That it was -- that it was clearly divine.

1.5 million people around the world watched. I'm sorry. 1.5 billion people watched that Charlie Kirk funeral. And that Charlie Kirk funeral happened, and if you were there, I don't know if you could feel it while watching it. I -- I imagine you could. But I'm telling you in the room, I've never felt anything like it.

You could feel the spirit there. I mean, it was like God was there. And every time somebody got up and started speaking about politics, you could feel the spirit withdraw. And then they would start talking about, you know, universal principles.

And the spirit would come back to the room.
It was amazing. And I wasn't just the only one feeling it. I had people around me. Elon Musk was two rose behind me.

Everyone around me were talking about, are you all feeling that?

This is amazing.

That was God! Showing up.

So the unequal, but opposite reaction was God working a miracle.

The only way I can understand what's happening, in our world today, where we have gone insane.

We've gone insane.

People that I know have lost their minds. We can't -- suddenly, we can't have conversations about things that have been settled for a very long time.

And suddenly, you're -- you have to be an enemy. That's why, when I talk about these things, I don't want to single out anybody. Because I'm not going to make this personal. I'm not going to make this personal.

I want to make this about the facts. Because the minute we make this personal, then we're immediately enemies of one another. And I don't -- there's one enemy, and it's the author of chaos. And that's who I fight.

God shows up. Now, what's the equal and opposite reaction? Because every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I really believe Satan showed up.

God shows up. We have this resurgence of faith, this explosion. And then Satan shows up.

And all of a sudden, we're talking about insane things. Like, all of a sudden, you know, Jews rule the world. And -- and I hate Israel. And, you know, it's insanity. Insane stuff that we've always known was insane.

We're watching for the first time. We're watching the big boys play.

And we are pawns.

You just have to -- you just have to make sure you're on the right side of the board.

You know, who -- who are you a tool?

Whose hand are you in?

You on the good side, or the dark side?

Because you have to make that decision right now. And the way to make that decision is just to remember what you've always known to be true.

What is true?

When you know those things and you stay anchored in those things, it's going to be okay.

But if it feels like we're living in a movie, in some ways, we are. It just hasn't been made yet. But believe me, there will be movies made about this time.

And about people that you may know. There will be movies made.

How that is portrayed in the end, I'm not sure. But I do know that every time in human history, every time this road has been traveled. There is a winning side.

And the other side destroys itself and its civilization.

So to me, it's pretty clear. But it's for each of us to find.

Just do it peacefully. Make no enemies. Make no enemies.

I remember one time, we were in the throes of just real attacks. On every front.

And I thought, my whole world was coming apart. And it didn't matter what I did. What I said. Where I was. It didn't matter. Just attack, attack, attack, attack.

And I asked the Lord in prayer, you know, help me.

Help me. How do I defeat these enemies?

And once in a while, once if had a great while, I'll feel like he -- that I almost hear him.

And I don't know how to describe it. It's -- it's like I hear the words. But not hear the words. You know, I just know what he's saying.

And sometimes, it's so clear. It's jaw-dropping. And I remember in prayer, and I'm talking about, how do I defeat these enemies, et cetera, et cetera?

And it was so clear. And what I heard was, firmly, stop. These are not enemies of yours. They are enemies of mine.

These are my rights.

And I will solve the problem with my enemies.

You do the right thing.

Okay.

So I don't want to make any more enemies.

Because they're not enemies of mine.

They're his -- his enemies.

Anybody who is standing against the rights of all men, anyone who is standing against the Bill of Rights, the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator. They're not my enemy.

I mean, I view them that way. But they're ultimately his enemy.

I need to remain on his side. That's all I need to do. Remain on his side. And when he tells me to act and tells me what to do, I will do it. And so far, all I know, is make no more enemies.

Just speak the truth plainly. Clearly.

Just keep saying the truth. The things that you have always known that are universally true.

I'll take care of the rest.

WAKE UP: The Islamist Takeover of America Is HALFWAY Complete | Glenn TV | Ep 472

Islamism is advancing inside the U.S. through Minnesota’s massive welfare fraud tied to Al-Shabaab, Sharia-style tribunals in Texas, Muslim Brotherhood campus networks, and failed immigration vetting that led to a CIA-trained Afghan migrant killing a National Guardsman. Glenn Beck ties these stories to the Muslim Brotherhood's 100-year plan to conquer the West, which is reportedly halfway complete. Europe has already lived through this collapse. British writer and podcaster Peter McIlvenna joins to reveal the parallels between Britain and what he saw while visiting Texas, and he reacts to Gov. Greg Abbott and President Trump cracking down on the Muslim Brotherhood.

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