BLOG

Unarmed Police Officers And Citizens: Baffles the Minds of Most Americans

Police say the three London terrorists were shot dead within eight minutes of the attack, which may seem fairly quick --- unless you were one of those running for your life. The London Bridge is always under watch and had plenty of manpower --- but without the needed firepower.

Mike Broomhead, host of The Mike Broomhead Show, filled in for Glenn on radio Monday and shared a perspective that many Americans likely hold as well.

"I wonder how long that would take American police? Remember the Charlie Hebdo shootings and the pictures? One of the most startling pictures to me was watching a police car reverse away from somebody with a gun because these were unarmed police officers --- and that seemed so strange in America."

How many more times will the world watch innocent citizens mowed down without the ability to protect themselves?

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

MIKE: All right. Thanks for being here. It is the Glenn Beck Program. And we've got a lot to talk about. The London attackers, there were -- the attack began at about 10:08 time in London. 10:08 p.m. 5:08 Eastern Standard Time. And we learned more about the men that meted out this attack, that delivered these attacks.

Police say the three attackers were shot dead within eight minutes of the attack, which may seem fairly quick. But I wonder how long that would take American police. Remember the Charlie Hebdo shootings and the pictures -- one of the most -- one of the most startling pictures to me was watching a police car reverse away from somebody with a gun because these were unarmed police officers. And that seemed so strange in America. We fight over gun control. And I don't want to make this about gun control or the Second Amendment here in the United States. It's too easy of a conversation. We should be focused on how we're fighting terrorism. But at a time in this world where there are people that are just running people over on a bridge, how many times do we have to see this?

You know, the Champs Elysees in Paris, how many times we saw it in that Christmas market in Germany. We're watching people now, finding new ways to do that. Even here at Ohio State University, that guy that ran people over and then jumped out with knives, they have a new M.O. because they can quick hit. They don't have to have guns that they're sneaking around. It's not about bombs. They are just able to jump in a vehicle and start running people over.

But the unarmed police officers are what I don't understand. And the unarmed citizenry.

I've mentioned many times before, when I've been on this show, that I come from a law enforcement family. My brother is a police lieutenant with the sheriff's office in my hometown in Florida. And he does a fantastic job. And it's a difficult job.

And when he was early in his career, he was working midnights. And I remember riding along with him and pulling cars over.

Imagine, in the middle of the night, your backup is miles and miles away, and you approach a strange car. You don't know what you're going to find. You don't know who you're going to find. You don't know what you're going to encounter.

But that's just a part of the dangers of being a police officer. But now with being a public servant, now your job is to protect the public. The citizens aren't armed. Let's just consider everybody innocent. They're not armed.

They can't protect themselves. And now you've got police officers that can't protect them. In this day and age. The reaction from the -- from the prime minister, is -- said enough is enough. But when pushed a little further on what to do, they were going to just, let's control the internet. It's the way that they're radicalizing. No, let's eradicate the bad behavior. I know it sounds harsh. I'm not bloodthirsty. I don't wish war. But we're at war.

There are people that hate our way of life. They don't care about who you are or who I am. Who we are as people. They don't like the western way of life. They've taken a religious book that they say tells them to murder anybody that doesn't agree with them.

And I don't know how anybody thinks we're going to reason with that. One of the attackers here -- it says one of the three attackers had been reported to the anti-terror police on at least two occasions. A former friend of the terrorist who was shot dead by the police, along with two accomplices, claimed he had been radicalized while watching YouTube videos and said he contacted the authorities after becoming concerned over his friend's extremist views.

The funny thing about this, the reaction is, of course, going to be, we've got to control the internet. We've got to restrict what people can see.

I'll be honest, I don't play violent video games, it's not my thing. But you can't blame it on -- you can't blame bad behavior on that because millions of people play video games and it doesn't affect them.

I can watch a YouTube video, and when it gets to be that extremely violent or the views are extremist one way or the other, I'll just change it or go watch something else. It's not going to affect me.

These people are affected because they want to be affected. This is what they're drawn to.

In many cases, with the mass shootings we've seen, it's mental illness. And not all mental illness leads to violence. But there are people that are mentally ill to a point that they're dangerous to themselves and other people.

So you can't hold YouTube accountable. So we're going to restrict what people watch because some of the people watching are going to become violent because of it.

It makes absolutely no sense. And what you're doing is carrying what you think is a problem. And it's not even a symptom of the problem. It's gun control. But now it's what you view. It's internet control. What's next?

RADIO

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?


STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

Disclaimer: This episode was filmed prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But Glenn believes Max's message is needed now more than ever.
The political world is divided, constantly at war with itself. In many ways, our own lives are not much different. Why do we constantly focus on the negative? Why are we in pain? Where is God amid our anxiety and fear? Why can’t we ever seem to change? Pastor Max Lucado has found the solution: Stop thinking like that! It may seem easier said than done, but Max joins Glenn Beck to unpack the three tools he describes in his new book, “Tame Your Thoughts,” that make it easy for us to reset the way we think back to God’s factory settings. In this much-needed conversation, Max and Glenn tackle everything from feeling doubt as a parent to facing unfair hardships to ... UFOs?! Plus, Max shares what he recently got tattooed on his arm.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

Are Demonic Forces to Blame for Charlie Kirk, Minnesota & Charlotte Killings?

This week has seen some of the most heinous actions in recent memory. Glenn has been discussing the growth of evil in our society, and with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk, the recent transgender shooter who took the lives of two children at a Catholic school, and the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, how can we make sense of all this evil? On today's Friday Exclusive, Glenn speaks with BlazeTV host of "Strange Encounters" Rick Burgess to discuss the demon-possessed transgender shooter and the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Rick breaks down the reality of demon possession and how individuals wind up possessed. Rick and Glenn also discuss the dangers of the grotesque things we see online and in movies, TV shows, and video games on a daily basis. Rick warns that when we allow our minds to be altered by substances like drugs or alcohol, it opens a door for the enemy to take control. A supernatural war is waging in our society, and it’s a Christian’s job to fight this war. Glenn and Rick remind Christians of what their first citizenship is.

RADIO

Here’s what we know about the suspected Charlie Kirk assassin

The FBI has arrested a suspect for allegedly assassinating civil rights leader Charlie Kirk. Just The News CEO and editor-in-chief John Solomon joins Glenn Beck to discuss what we know so far about the suspect, his weapon, and his possible motives.