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Rep. Barry Loudermilk: He Was Choosing Targets, No Doubt Divine Providence Played a Role

Yesterday's shooting in Alexandria could have very well ended with more than just the gunman in a coffin --- and the ramifications for America would have been dire. Rep. Barry Loudermilk joined Glenn on radio Thursday to describe how close the would-be assassin's bullets came to hitting him and from what source his protection came.

"I've seen some bad shots in my life, but for as many targets that were out on that field and [for him] to have a rifle, I believe, Divine Providence played a role in keeping, you know, people safe yesterday. It is remarkable the number of rounds that were fired and the low number of people that were hit," Glenn said on radio Thursday.

Rep. Loudermilk agreed.

"Oh, there's no doubt. I mean, I witnessed it myself. This guy was not just rapid firing, he was choosing his targets," he said.

Loudermilk went on to detail how bullets landed just feet from him.

"We all ran toward the first base side, many of the members dove in the dugout. As I was exiting the field a round hit the ground to my left, about a foot or two from my left foot, and then one hit the fence as I was going out. Those were clearly targeted at me."

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: We have an amazing story to tell of what I believe is Divine Providence. I just -- I want you to think of one thing. Imagine what America would be like today, if yesterday the leadership of the G.O.P. and the majority of the G.O.P., 10 percent of the G.O.P. and Congress were dead. If we had coffins that we were facing today instead of one coffin of the shooter and one still in critical condition, what would the conversation be like today?

I've often said, you're going to wake up on a Monday, and by Friday, your country will be completely different. I believe that is coming. But I do believe we saw Divine Providence happen yesterday. So that didn't happen this week.

Barry Loudermilk was there and shot at several times. Representative congressman Barry Loudermilk is on with us, right now.

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GLENN: Congressman Barry Loudermilk is joining us now. Congressman, how are you?

BARRY: I'm doing -- I'm doing well, Glenn. I appreciate you having us on and, you know, giving the coverage for this story. What a shrill moment. And your opening monologue there, I haven't really thought of in that perspective. But I can attest, God was on that field with us yesterday.

GLENN: And that's what I wanted to talk to you about, Barry.

First of all, how is your wife and family?

BARRY: They're doing well. It was amazing. Of course, my cell phone was in my chief of staff's car in the parking lot. And when the -- you know, when the shooting began, I was on the field near home plate. When the second shot went out, we knew something was -- one of the players said, "He's got a gun." Some of the players went into the dugout. I went outside of the field and took cover behind a shed. I wanted to get to a position to see where the shooter was.

So I -- you know, with all this playing out, I had had no communications, other than just voice. When I got done, my chief of staff called my wife. She didn't know what was going on. But my wife immediately got -- my three children all grown, they got together. And I talked to them yesterday.

And then last night, at 2:30 in the morning, my daughter and her husband showed up at our apartment in Washington. They drove all night long to be here for the game tonight, just to show support.

STU: Wow.

GLENN: Barry, let me just ask you this question first: Who is responsible for the shooting yesterday?

BARRY: Well, you know, obviously a deranged, demented individual was the one who carried it out. But I think it is an attitude. It's a -- it's sensationalism. It's demonization of people that is going on for political purposes.

GLENN: And do you -- do you believe, Barry, that that is from the left only, or the left and the right as well?

BARRY: I think there is cases of that coming from both. Clearly, recently, there has been more coming from the left at this point because, you know --

GLENN: The power.

BARRY: The president.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BARRY: And, you know, we're trying to change things. You know, the left has made a lot of progress in the last eight, ten years. And we're now in a position to begin to reverse that.

And instead of just dealing with the issues, let's get to the podium, let's get in front of the House and let's debate the policy of each issue -- many have resorted to demonizing the other side. There are people back in my district carrying around signs in the back of their vehicles saying, "Loudermilk is killing me," because we're trying to repeal Obamacare.

When that type of rhetoric continues and it continues and you get somebody who is unstable to start with, they start believing these things. Then they take action like this gentleman did yesterday.

I found out yesterday evening -- he had been planning this for a while. He had been stalking that field. And last night was his last opportunity. That was our last practice of that field. This morning, we had planned to be practicing at the National Stadium, as we do every year. Of course, that's been called off this morning. But we're still going to play the game this evening.

But that was his last opportunity. And he had been planning this for a while. And when you read his Facebook page, there are things as bad or worse that is posted on mine and other members all across -- all across Congress.

GLENN: Barry, let me -- let me take you now to Divine Providence.

Not only was this guy crazy, this guy was a violent figure for a very long time. His -- his -- what was it? His stepdaughter or his -- one of the foster daughters actually set herself on fire. Poured gasoline on herself. Set herself on fire to get away from him. He was a horrible human being. But had a history of gunplay and violence in his life.

But I will tell you -- I've seen some bad shots in my life. But for as many targets that were out on that field -- and to have a rifle, I believe, Divine Providence played a role in keeping, you know, people safe yesterday. It is remarkable the number of rounds that were fired and the -- the low number of people that were hit.

BARRY: Oh, there's no doubt. I mean, I witnessed it myself. This guy was not just rapid firing. He was choosing his targets. When we finally -- you know, we identified there was a shooter there, he was over by the third base fence. That gate was locked. He couldn't get in.

We all ran toward the first base side. Many of the members dove in the dugout. I went out -- as I was exiting the field around to the ground of my left, about a foot or two from my left foot, and then one hit the fence as I was going out. Those were clearly targeted at me.

When I took refuge behind this wooden building, I came around, put the building -- this is a small shed, basically. Put it between me and where the shooter was at that time.

He maneuvered around and got a more clear line of fire to us. But I had -- the Capitol Police vehicle was about 20 feet in front of me. When I got around the corner, I looked and I saw Matt Micah, one of the baseball staff members that helps us work out -- he was laying on the ground on his back with a chest wound. He was shot in the chest and was bleeding very badly.

Myself and others, every time we tried to advance to go help him, we were driven back by gunfire. I was told last night in a team meeting we had -- you know, I'm just focused -- we're trying to figure out, what can we do? How can we get engaged here? We knew we were being targeted.

At one moment -- as I found out last night, Matt took a second arm in his arm as he was laying there. And it appeared that the shooter was trying to shoot underneath that vehicle to us to hit us. And one of those rounds hit Matt in the arm.

As soon as they took down -- I was watching -- I saw him take down the shooter. The Capitol Police were truly heros. One of the officers actually moved away from the vehicle, went into the parking lot, and exposed hisself to draw the fire away from us.

When he finally took the gunman down, I ran over to Matt. I could not believe he was still alive at that point, as bad as that bullet hole was in his chest. And I laid my hand on his head, and I prayed for him.

And last evening, Speaker Ryan called me. He says, "I just want to tell you, Matt is going to be okay. It's a miracle that that round missed his heart. Just barely nicked a lung. Shattered some ribs. He lost a tremendous amount of blood. But he's going to make it." And they expect a full recovery. That's a miracle and of itself, when you see how badly he was laying there. Shots just barely missing people.

Look, the fact that we had two officers, had not -- had not those two protection detail guys for Scalise been at the field, it would have been, as you described earlier today -- the discussion today would be a lot of former members of Congress.

GLENN: Barry, the -- the news of Scalise yesterday was confusing. He was -- he was in critical condition. Then he was stable. Then he went in for surgery. And then he came out in critical condition. The last I heard is he's still in critical condition.

Do you have any insight on how he's faring?

BARRY: No. That's the last I have heard. I checked again this morning. We have -- we have a very active prayer group that is in Congress. We have a Wednesday night church service in the Capitol Building every week. There are dozens of Bible studies. There are numerous prayer trains. They were all activated.

Last night, we were told to continue to pray for Steve, that he still needed a lot of prayer. And that's the last --

GLENN: Is that because he lost so much blood? Do you know -- he was shot in the hip. So did he hit an artery?

BARRY: I don't know if he hit an artery. Another act of Divine Providence was Brad Winstrep HEP who was a doctor in the Army with combat experience. He's one of our ballplayers.

As soon as we were able to get -- you know, being able to move, I went over to Matt. He went out directly to Scalise, he and Senator Flake. I was able to get a med kit out of the -- the capital police vehicle. So I was able to take him a med kit. And I could tell Scalise had bled a lot. I think some of the concern was, where it went in, it damaged some of his organs as well. And so the concern was stopping the bleeding. They said that he has actually received several transfusions at this point. So he's not out of the woods yet, but, you know, Divine Providence is not an instantaneous or one-time thing. It's continuous. And we need another act of that, with these -- these two that are in the hospital.

GLENN: What should the conversation in America be today?

BARRY: I think it should be of civility. It should be, we are one nation under God.

We need to be able to refocus our debate on issues on policy, not personality. And we need to take a strong look at -- at, how do we rebuild our nation? And how do we make sure that we're secure?

I told a news media outlet -- wanted to talk about gun control. And my response to them was, I'll talk to you about gun control when you get shot at and you don't have a gun to defend yourself.

But these things are the things that -- and I already have some groups out there taking that comment on both sides and running it out of proportion.

That's the type of thing we need to stop. We need to not -- we need to stop monetizing our dysfunction as a nation. There are too many groups out there that will take something twisted and turn it just to raise money. To -- to incite people.

Look -- and we also need reeducation of some people out there, to the Constitution. What it truly means.

What is the actual role of government?

But that needs to be a civil discourse going forward. And I think if you can set aside the demonization, the rhetoric, and get down to policy, we win every time.

GLENN: Barry Loudermilk, congressman who was shot at several times yesterday. And is safe. We have you and your family and all of the families of those involved and all of the injured in our prayers. We thank you so much, sir. And thank you for your service. And thank you for being on the program today.

BARRY: Glenn, thank you. And you're a good friend, I appreciate what you do.

GLENN: You bet. God bless.

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'This is how I spend my vacation': Glenn gives behind-the-scenes look at new radio theme recording

If you have ever wondered where Glenn gets the music for his radio show or assumed he used pre-made stock music or cheap computer software, now you know, it’s the real deal. Glenn's vacation technically started this week, but that couldn't keep him away from his natural habitat—the recording studio—where he spent several hours working on an updated radio theme track with pro composer Sam Cardon and Millennial Choirs & Orchestras (MCO).

Glenn was looking for something that sounded more urgent, and from the preview Glenn shared, it sounds like the creative team nailed it. The epic score sounds like it would easily feel at home in a Lord of the Rings or Star Wars film.

The new theme will be on air at a future date, but if you can’t wait, make sure to watch the video for a sneak peak!

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Glenn's message to his son's birth mom: THANK YOU

‘I truly thank God for living in these times,’ Glenn says. ‘Look at the miracles that are happening,’ he adds, just moments after the Supreme Court ruled to overturn Roe v. Wade. No matter how much America changes, it’s still the greatest place on earth…and the Supreme Court victories we’ve witnessed in the last week — by justices who truly value the Constitution — prove it, Glenn explains. But there’s still work to be done. Glenn shares a story about his son’s birth mom — a teenager who decided to give her baby a chance to live — and he gives a message for us all: Now is a time for compassion toward ALL pregnant women, no matter the decisions they make...

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: You know, I -- I just walked outside. I have a barn here on the ranch. And it's where my broadcast studio is. And I just walked out to get some fresh air a few minutes ago. And it's -- this is a day that you will remember where you were. Whatever side you were on, you will remember this day. And I walk outside, and my son and another guy standing by this enormous tractor. And he is hitching it up to a trailer. Because they're moving a bunch of logs from one field to another, because they're building a corral. And I don't have my glasses on. And I'm looking. And I'm like, is that Raphe? And I can't -- I'm not sure. Because he's a man. This is the first summer, where he's up here. And he is a man. And it was an interesting thought to have about my son. Who now, in a couple months. Eighteen years ago. A very brave young teenager decided not to have an abortion. Decided that he had nothing to do with her mistake, or whatever happened.

And I remember we prayed so hard for a baby. And I felt almost from the beginning. That we were supposed to adopt.
And this is really hard for moms. Really hard. Baby not from her body. And I think as guys we don't understand that. Because I don't want anything coming out of my body. And if something comes out of my body, I'm not putting it in swaddling clothes, I'm telling you that. And we both wanted her -- how is this going to work? And there is something about God, that he is my son. And there is no difference between him and any of my other children. None. Zero. Not even a shadow.
Just by chance. If his birth mother happens to be listening or his birth grandparents happen to be listening, thank you. Thank you for giving this young man a chance to live. He is -- well, he's been a pain in the ass. But he's also my greatest joy.
We have to look at the things that we do now. Because there's a lot of -- she was 14, I think. Imagine being a 14-year-old. I remember she called her mom, because she -- she went to school. And she had to tell her mom. But she couldn't look her in the eye and tell her. So she called. Didn't know what her mom would say. And her mom was so great. She immediately said, come home, sweetheart. Come home. And they worked it out together what was going to happen.
People who fight for the right to abort children say, you know, who is going to take care of them? There's lots of us. Lots of us. Millions of us. Millions. Millions of us.
You know, today, Roe vs. Wade was -- it came to an end. Catholics would point out on the -- on the feast of the sacred heart of Jesus. And I doubt that they think that's just a coincidence. Because we know that the heart of Christ, I mean, the only thing he really got smoked at, was children. Being abused. It was clear, he liked children, much more, you know, than us adults. But then, again, I don't blame him. I do too. But we can't just think of the children today that are going to be saved, and then say, that's a good thing.
We have to think of the moms. And, you know, I'm like this with Christians who just really want to get people baptized. They don't really care. It's all about the number. You want to bring somebody closer to God, in baptism, that is a fantastic gift. Not from you. But from God. Fantastic. But no one is going to do that. If you don't actually love them. The people who -- the people who need salvation. They don't think anybody loves them. The women who are pregnant, most, not all. But most, who are pregnant. They feel trapped. They don't know what they're going to do. We have to be there for them. Not just during the time they're pregnant. But if they choose to keep the child. To help them. To support them.
You know, it's so funny. I guess we both give up on, you know, once the baby is aborted. Or the baby is saved. Then society auto both sides kind of just turns away. Planned Parenthood, are they concerned about the mental health? Because they deny it. No, no, no. People are celebrating their abortions. I don't think so. I don't think you can do that. And you may have felt like there was absolutely no way out. But at some point, that's going to -- it will haunt you. What could have been. Think about just the mistakes you will make in your life. And how they bother you. I shouldn't have said that. I mean, there were times in my life, where I said things to my mom, or whatever. I carried those things around for 25 years.
We have to have compassion for -- for all of these women. Now, if you're going to use this for contraception. I don't really -- I don't know how to talk to you. I'll try. But I don't know how I can relate. Because -- but I'm hoping most people aren't like that. I'm hoping that's the anomaly in our society. That just thinks, this is the way to have birth control. And one more thing on birth control.
Why is that still a prescription? I would like to say I'm not a doctor. But technically I am. But I'm not sure why that's still a prescription. Don't we know what that does? I mean, are we pretty sure? Yeah. That's what -- that's what happens. This is all it does. It's a pretty safe drug. Do we not just trust people to use only as directed?
I mean, we -- we trust people. I mean, I see stuff all the time. That says, do not drink. Okay. Well, it's turpentine, so I'm not going to drink it. But thank you for trusting me to know I'm smart enough not to do that. Don't put in eyes. Okay. I'm going to make sure that I don't put that -- you know, that cream in my eyes. Thank you. Good safety tip.
I mean, just making contraception over-the-counter. The pill over-the-counter. Would be helpful. Wouldn't it?
It's a lot better to have them get a pill over-the-counter, like that, than have our daughters or anybody else think about the abortion drug, that the FDA now will make sure that everybody can get. That thing is brutal. That is -- that's brutal.
Anyway, I truly -- as I go on vacation in a minute, I truly thank God for living in these times. It's -- would you live at any other time? I mean, I'm a little selfish. Because I'm a whiner. Absolutely, positively nothing before air-conditioning. Nothing before air-conditioning. I even would say, I want to still live in a time where all my meat comes from a counter on a little plastic, Styrofoam tray. Really, that's about as roughing it, as I want to go. I don't want to go past those two things. Indoor toilets. Yeah. But look at the times we live it in now. The miracles that are happening. The miracles of science. The freedoms that we do have.
I have a guy who is on my staff. He's from Scotland. And once in a while, he gets tired of me hearing, this country is just -- and he's like, come to Scotland. Come to England. He's like, I know it's not what it was. But it's still the greatest place on earth. And it is.
And just the victories, just this week. There's going to be more I think next week. Just the victories in the Supreme Court. And it's not -- it's not because of ideology. It's because the people who are put on the court now, actually respect the Constitution of the United States.
You know, Clarence Thomas and Kagan ruled together, on -- I don't know. Something with Medicare today.
What! I don't think they could agree on a dinner menu. But that's not because Thomas sold out. Or Kagan sold out. I know with Thomas, at least, that's because he believes that's what the Constitution says. And that's what is so great about it.
It doesn't cut your way every time.
You don't always win. You don't always get your way. Today is a great day. Praise God. Praise good we have taken this huge step today.
Lord, see your people. And keep them safe. And keep the people who are actually working in these pro-life clinics. Our judges. Our police. Our cities.
Please, keep them safe.

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Riots & White House defiance: What may come AFTER Roe ruling

Many members of the far-left already are calling for a ‘Night of Rage’ after the Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, and the White House has been discussing plans to defy the ruling too. In fact, one idea floated by Biden Administration officials, according to the New York Times, includes providing abortions on military bases. So, will America experience another summer of riots? Are YOUR taxpayer dollars at risk? And what does this mean for deep-blue states? Josh Hammer, legal expert and opinion editor for Newsweek, joins Glenn to discuss what may come next...

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GLENN: Josh Hammer, he's the opinion editor of Newsweek. He's the host of the Josh Hammer show. He is really quite brilliant. One of the leading minds in the conservative movement, I think. Josh Hammer joins us now.

To tell us, what did you find in this decision?

JOSH: Glenn, great to be back with you, on such a momentous, and really such an emotional day, honestly. So, you know, look, as you said, this dropped recently. Funny enough, I was in the middle of getting a guest lecture from an organization on the advisory board as to when it drops. So I barely had any time to kind of skim through, let alone guess the concerning dissenting opinions. But it looks like this looks very similar, to the draft opinion that was leaked, by the Politico story, a month and a half ago, in early May. And I think those of us who were praying that the five justices from this leaked draft opinion, would have the fortitude to stiffen their spines against this unprecedented assault. Now knows that our prayers were answered, Glenn. That's really my takeaway right now.

This looks a lot like the leaked opinion. Justice Thomas and Justice Kavanaugh have some reconcurring opinions.

But unbelievable. And really just holding aside the constitutional law stuff for a second hear. Just speaking as pro-lifers, on a day like today, I think we really just need to pause. And I tweeted this out earlier. We need to just be grateful for our half century of pro-life activist forbearers. You know, this -- Glenn, this issue could have gone away after 1973. That was a long time ago. 1973. I mean, this issue could have just gone away. We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the pro-life moral activist. Political activist. And, of course, yes. Legal activist. Who fought day in and day out, that makes sure this great injustice stayed front and center of our national, political conscience. And in many days, the culmination of a half century of fighting for truth and justice. But in many ways, it's also a new beginning for the pro-life fight as well, interestingly.

STU: How do you mean a new beginning for the fight? I just it's going to turn, I think we're going to see abortion turn even darker in those states that allow it. Is that -- is that what you're meaning by this?

JOSH: Well, look, for a half century now, Roe vs. Wade, and its project any, specifically, the Planned Parenthood versus Casey case of 1992.

They took away from the states obviously. They arrogated authority away from the states, the ability to attempt to nationally codify one view of the morality of abortion.

It happened to be a profoundly immoral view. So these -- the fight now shifts to the states. And the pro-life activists. And all the 50 states. Especially, obviously in red states. Purple states. I mean, admittedly some blue states like New York and California, probably won't be able to touch them there.

But we have to make sure that our side is well positioned in the state Capitols for every red, purplish, probably even light blue state, to make sure we fight for successful, cogent, and morally consistent pro-life legislation. The state of Oklahoma, actually, just north of Texas. Right where you are now, Glenn. They have been leading on this actually. Governor Kevin Stitt signed into law, a fantastic pro-life bill there in Oklahoma. A few weeks ago. Maybe a month ago or so at this point, that basically just bans abortion straightforward from conception. And there are some -- you know, obviously, likable the mother. So forth. But we really need to start thinking about trying to craft legislation now, at the state level. But to your point, I do fear that the blue states will only double down in their radicalism. Unfortunately within that will only lead to an ever greater divide, in our country, that we have today. But obviously, at the end of the day. We're going to save at the end of the day, millions and millions of unborn children. We are going to save human beings who can grow up to cure cancer, who can win Nobel prices.

I mean, this is just a tremendous win for the human species. I don't know how to say it other than that.

GLENN: I will tell you, I saw the stat, that I think it was last year or the year before. 20 percent of all pregnancies ended in abortion. 20 percent.

JOSH: Wow.

GLENN: That is -- that is a shocking number. And we do have our -- our work cut out for us. Because I -- I think that these states are going to double down. But I think, you know -- God doesn't waste anything. You know, there is no waste with God. Even the -- even the worst things that could possibly happen, turn out to be something good. You know what I mean? You're like, holy cow, how did that just happen.

And I think that evil is going to fully come unmasked. I'm telling you, Josh. I don't know how you feel about this. I think this could be the day of America's Kristallnacht. I can see these pro-life centers being burned to the ground today. They're calling for a night of rage around the country. I think evil is going to show itself. And that will scare the American people, hopefully.

JOSH: You know, I've been thinking about this a lot this week, actually. Because I've been bracing for a new kind of George Floyd summer of love, happening this summer. Coming to a city or suburb near you. Unfortunately, myself. Look, I live in Florida. I know, Glenn, you live in Texas. It is in moments like this, where I do think that where you live matters. And who your mayor is. Who your governor is, matters.

Because law and order and rioting and anarchy is not really a federal issue. It is to a limited extent. June 2020, Tom Cotton wrote this op-ed that was pretty controversial at the time.

I happen to agree with it. Where he said, quote, unquote, send in the troops. And there is some federal legislation from the reconstruction era that would justify that.

But most kind of quelling and quashing of anarchy does happen. Constitutionally speaking, at the state and local level. So at a moment like this, where I fear that you're probably not wrong. I take some solace. That Governor DeSantis is my governor. I think Texans should take some solace, that they are represented by -- by a Republican governor. The legislature there as well. So I -- I fear that you are right. I pray obviously, that no one -- it's hard.

I fear that it's something -- that something bad is happening. At the end of the day, of course. It does not mean that justices cannot do what they are supposed to do. So thank God they did that.

GLENN: So, Josh, have you looked into what the White House has been saying? The White House yesterday. In fact, do we have a clip of -- of this?

What the White House said yesterday, about the guns. And then they were turned to the -- the Scott us ruling, for Roe vs. Wade. Do we have that, please?

JOSH: Will the president accept this decision, even if he disagrees with it?

VOICE: I think it's going to come from the Supreme Court. So it's a decision we certainly are going to respond to. I'll leave it at that. Just like any other Supreme Court decision. Just like the one they did today on guns.

GLENN: So the White House won't say that they're going to accept it.

Which I don't think they will. They're talking now about taking doctors and moving them into places like Oklahoma or Texas, where abortions will be outlawed. And putting doctors on our military bases to perform abortions.

I mean, where does this go, when you have a government, that is in defiance of -- of one branch of the government?

JOSH: So there's a lot to unpack here. So we should start from first principles. The idea of judicial supremacy, and this is a peculiar thing, to say on a day like today, where such a pro-life victory has happened in Italy. But if we're going to be consistent here, the idea of judicial supremacy. The idea that the justices, have the sole and exclusive ability to interpret the Constitution for themselves. And no other Constitutional actor, in article one or article two, let alone the state. Has the ability to tentatively interpret it. That is erroneous. In fact, actually it was really Abraham Lincoln actually, who in the Dred Scott case, famously opposed judicial supremacy and flouted the Dred Scott ruling, at least as it pertains to everybody other than Dred Scott himself. I have actually argued, a former legal scholarship, in a law review article actually, that the Laconian view of how each branch of government should interpret the Constitution for itself, is correct.

Having said that. Having said that, there is a thing called prudence. And there is a thing called comedy. And in a moment like today, when it really does look like -- and I agree with you, that we are now bracing for riots through the streets. When the political rhetoric is at DEFCON one. When people are trying to assassinate Supreme Court justices. I think it would be -- at its bare minimum, a profoundly imprudent act. For the Biden administration, to try to undermine this ruling.

Now, what they might do, is they might try to kind of issue some kind of executive orders, or issue some regulations, that might try to kind of undermine it, at the edges here. But at the end of the day, the idea that this returns to the state. There's not really a whole lot they can do about that. Basically, at this point, throughout the country. Kentucky within West Virginia. Kansas. Whatever. If they want to go ahead and ban abortion, what can the Biden administration literally do about that? I mean, short of sending in the National Guard, to protect Planned Parenthood, if the state legislature of Kentucky goes ahead and bans it. There's not a whole lot they can do. And it's very difficult to envision a world, in which the Biden administration literally sends in troops to red states, to protect Planned Parenthood, if that state legislature goes ahead and bans it. So for practically speaking. This is a lot of tough talk and rhetoric. Obviously the campaign here in 2022. There's not really a whole lot that practically speaking, they can do to actually prevent red and purple states from enacting pro-life legislation.

GLENN: I'm glad to -- I'm glad to hear that. I know that they have been working on things. I mean, he has said, you know, there's executive orders, that I can employ. There are things that I can do. He's talked about a national public health emergency. Which I think is just -- is crazy. But I would hope, that the president would come out and say, we strongly disagree with this. And you're right. The court is not the end all. But the court did not end abortion. It just said, the people should decide. I think that's the best kind of court ruling, on any of it. The people should decide what this is. And send it back to the states. Josh, I thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Was there -- there was another ruling, that came out today. Was it important?

JOSH: Oh, no. In comparison to this. A total nothing burger. A 5-4 decision on Medicare reimbursement related. So nothing, honestly.

GLENN: Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Josh. Josh Hammer, opinion editor for Newsweek. And the host of the Josh Hammer show.

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Good vs EVIL seen in Dobbs case reactions

GLENN: There are two things trending on twitter right now.

Number one is praise God.

Number two trend is Night of Rage.

Good verses evil.

Build up or tear down.