Here Are 3 Key Things the Left Doesn’t Understand About Gun Rights

We have to keep guns away from bad guys. It’s about “commonsense gun laws.” Why should everyone be able to freely buy automatic weapons?

On today’s show, Glenn and Stu talked about the ongoing gun control debate. Watch the clip (above) to hear their responses to some of the most common anti-gun talking points as they point out these key problems with the left’s arguments.

Many liberals trying to debate this issue don’t understand guns or realize what regulations are already in place. 

“It’s hard to have a debate on this topic when the overwhelming majority of people discussing it don’t have basic knowledge on the topic,” Stu said.

Guns are part of American culture.

People who didn’t grow up around guns simply don’t understand how why Americans want to arm themselves to feel safe.

“It is uniquely American … and you can’t just dismiss that,” Glenn said.

Constitutional rights should only be infringed upon when absolutely necessary. 

Second Amendment rights are constitutionally protected, so you can only keep someone from that basic right with due process and with evidence that they will misuse it. Stu compared it to our right in the justice system to be innocent until proven guilty.

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

STU: Amazing that they changed the voting age to 18. Because if you're old enough to get drafted, go to the military, well, then, of course, you should be able to vote. It's totally sensible idea. Although, I know Pat will come in later today and will tell us that the voting should be 35. On the other side of that, one of the things that 16-year-olds are pushing for is that you should not be able to own a firearm until you're 21. So you would be able to get drafted to the military, to use a firearm in the military, but not own one for your own protection at home.

It's a fascinating thing to think about. And I don't think the right one. I don't think the right one. Again, we don't make -- you know, 16-year-olds --

GLENN: How many great decisions did you make as a 16-year-old?

STU: Well, me. Obviously lots of great ones. But most people don't.

Of course not. You're not seasoned enough. And you don't understand these issues enough. Beyond that, like, if you're 50 years old -- we've seen this before. Well, let's go to the 50-year-old parent or grandparent of one of these kids who was killed. And they'll come out with their gun -- their gun solution for America.

You don't make policy based on the victims of a tragedy.


STU: You don't become an expert in the topic because something terrible happened to you.

I -- for example, my dad died of a heart attack. I don't go to hospitals and tell them to do their heart surgery with spoons. That's not -- I don't have any extra credibility on the topic because I was involved in a tragedy in my family.

GLENN: Now, you could take that tragedy and become a scholar on it.

STU: Right.

GLENN: You could say, I'm going to learn everything I can. I'm just tired of having a discussion of the Second Amendment, with people who do not know what a gun is. They've never fired it. They don't know -- they've never been around it. They've never been around people who are responsible gun owners.

I don't -- if you don't take the time to really learn what the gun is and can really talk to me about the truth of the Constitution, the Constitution and the Second Amendment was not about sporting. It wasn't.

It was about people being able to take up arms against an out-of-control government. Now, you can say, well, that's -- they're never going to get out of control. Or, well, they get out of control, they're just going to use tanks.

Well, yes. But every single time there has been a dictator, the first thing they do is take away all weapons from the people. And then they slaughter them.

At least give us a fighting chance.

STU: Yeah, as we pointed out, the mass shooting -- Vegas was the worst mass shooting in history. No. First of all, the worst mass shooting in that context was Norway. But beyond that, the top 100,000 mass shootings all came from governments against unarmed populace. You think there was a day that went by in World War II, where the Nazis didn't kill 58 people? I don't think there was a day that went by, where the communists didn't kill 58 people.

GLENN: Their own citizens.

STU: Yeah, their own citizens. This was a light day for all of these governments when there was no way to push back against them. And, you know, look, that's why it was designed. It's used for personal protection, as well as a massive -- you know, it's the main reason for it now. Of course, hunting is part of it. And all of that is a part of it.

But it's not about those individual things. It's about you being able to utilize that right in the way that you see fit, without violating other's rights. But, again, I think when you talk about gun knowledge, it is important.

You can get into the weeds a little bit too much. But listen to this, this comes from the statesman journal. This is a letter to the editor they decided to print: Every killer needs three things, an evil mindset, an opportunity, and the means to carry out their plan. Break that chain, and you've stopped a killer.

It's hard to know a person's ever changing mindset and opportunity is everywhere. That leaves means. Prevent future killings from obtaining the automatic weapon, and you've stopped a mass killing.

Yes, other weapons can kill too. But none are so deadly as an automatic rifle. We know what doesn't work, prayer doesn't work. It might make us feel better and make the survivors feel better. But it doesn't stop the next shooting. Blame the NRA doesn't work either. They don't pass any laws and can't regulate their industry. A good guy with a gun doesn't work.

This Florida school had two on-duty police officers assigned to it, which is something else we should discuss. But banning automatic weapons, you will not stop any mass killings -- and you will stop many mass killings. Excuse me.

And at the same time, you'll be protecting the most basic right our Constitution has to offer: the right to life.

GLENN: Can I just point out a couple of things?

STU: Is there a minor issue?

GLENN: We have banned automatic weapons.

STU: Oh.

GLENN: Yeah, so.

STU: Again, it's hard to have a debate on this topic, when the overwhelming majority of discussing it don't have basic knowledge on the topic. That is a difficult thing to do. You don't need to know everything about a gun.


STU: You don't need to be a gun nerd to have these conversations. But you have to know the basics.

GLENN: You have to have the basic knowledge. And, quite honestly, you -- I think -- look, I can understand people who have never grown up around guns. I can understand it. I can understand people who are afraid of guns because they never had any experiences with them.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And they grew up, let's say even in a city, where you grew up in New York. I understand that. Now, can you understand that every time you talk about a gun being something bad, I feel my grandfather. I remember holding his hand with his gun, underneath his arm, as we walked every night on the back of our farm.

I mean, it is --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: It was a feeling of safety.

STU: Part of culture.

GLENN: And culture. We didn't have bad experiences with guns. Because we respected them.

So it's part of the culture.

It's not part of your culture. That's okay.

But it is uniquely American, at least in the center of the country. And you can't just dismiss that.

STU: You can't. And it's amazing to watch cable news hosts be fascinated by the fact that we just can't do something. Every time there's another one of these attacks.

And what do we do? We don't do anything. And they miss the basic separation of the way these two things are coming together. The reason you don't get, quote, unquote, common sense middle ground gun control.

GLENN: Because you're not going for it.

STU: Well, first of all, they're not going for it. And every conservative looks at that, and reflexes immediately because they feel --

GLENN: The dog whistle.

STU: Yeah, they feel you're going after their guns. And many times, you've admitted that you are.

GLENN: Yes. Eric Holder.

STU: Yeah.

Australia, for example. Every time we bring up the word Australia, what you're saying is you want to take 30 percent of the guns out of the country. So how do you think that a gun owner would feel about that?

But the bottom line, the basic thing is, even on these minor things, progressives, liberals, the left, look at guns as something that is inherently dangerous. And, therefore, we should stop every person from getting one, unless we're sure that they're going to use it safely.

On the other side, conservatives, Libertarians, look at guns as constitutionally protected. Therefore, only if you're sure the person isn't going to use them safely, do we take them away. With extreme mental health. Or, you know, convictions in the past and domestic violence and things like that.

So that expression, there's a lot of middle ground between those two positions. But there's almost no room to compromise between them.

You know, it's the idea of saying, if one side of the argument is, look, people are innocent until proven guilty. And the other people on the other side are saying, people are guilty until proven innocent.

Well, there's a lot of middle ground between those two positions. But there's no place to compromise. There's not an innocent until proven innocent place in the middle that you can come together.

Right? It doesn't make any sense. The positions don't work together. And, of course, I fully 100 percent believe their conservative position is right. They're constitutionally protected. And you can't just start grabbing them from everybody.


STU: That's why the example they always bring up is, we couldn't even ban terrorists on the terrorist watch list from getting guns. That shows how irrational conservatives are.

No. It shows that conservatives understand this is a constitutionally protected right. And just because someone has made a list with a name on it, without any due process, without any evidence being presented, without any -- tons and tons of mistakes. You can't take away a constitutionally protected right because of that. We would never do that with the First Amendment.

We would never do that with any of these amendments. They're all too important to us. And we all understand them. The Second Amendment has just become this issue that the left throws around to get donations. And there are a lot of honest people who are on Facebook or on Twitter who are tauting these things. Like, the NRA is donating money, and they're controlling the debate. There's been 18 school shootings.

GLENN: It's not.

STU: They're being used by the left leadership who don't want to do anything to protect these victims. Because they like this issue. They like the issue far too much.

And obviously they don't want people to die. Nobody does. But they see this -- they could take steps that are unrelated to gun control, that the right would go along with. But they're in a period here, where conservatives have -- or at least the Republicans have the House, the Senate, and the presidency. Your time to pass wide swaths of gun control was probably when you had all three of those and you didn't do it.

Now you don't have any of them. You're not going to get that through right now. If you could focus on things that could actually help, that you could work together, there would be a middle place there. You know, it's just not about gun control.

GLENN: Well, because nobody is -- truly, nobody is trying to help. Nobody is trying to solve this. Nobody.

STU: It's depressing. It really is.

GLENN: It is. They're not trying to solve it. All they're trying to do is win. We lose once we decided we must win. And everybody is just trying to win. And I don't mean win the Constitution. I mean, you're just trying to win the next election. It doesn't matter.

You just want verbal ammunition that you can spray the other side with when it comes election time.


Wait...Biden sent HOW MUCH to Ukraine?​​

GLENN: You know, we have sent over 1400 stinger and antiaircraft systems. Eighty-five -- 8500 javelin and anti-armor systems.

STU: Okay. So 8500 plus --

GLENN: 32,000 other anti-armor systems.

STU: All right. That's a lot.

GLENN: 700 switchblade tactical unmanned aerial systems, 126 155-millimeter howitzers, and up to 806,000 artillery rounds.


NEWSFLASH: Border towns CAN'T HANDLE the immigration crisis either

Democrats in Martha's Vineyard panicked after just 50 illegal immigrants were sent to their town. And Democrats in Washington DC are insisting that only border towns are equipped to handle the amount of migrants DC is now seeing. But Glenn speaks to a caller from El Paso, Texas, who tells a different story: Border towns are much more overrun, and their crisis, fueled by the policies of big-city Democrats, has been going on for over a year...


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GLENN: Let me go to Han in Texas. Hello, Han.

CALLER: Hey, Glenn.

GLENN: How are you, sir, in.

CALLER: Real good. I'm in El Paso, Texas. And seeing the news about Martha's Vineyard. And 50 -- that they can't handle migrants. The news just reported that we're now up to 1500 per day, every day, in El Paso. And that's non-stop.

GLENN: Jeez. How is this changing? How is this changing El Paso? What is it like to live there?

CALLER: Well, every -- all the migrant shelters. They're now calling on all the churches. To try to take in migrants. To provide food for migrants. People are buying shoes because they don't have shoes. And they're all downtown. And then the city, and the county are buying these buildings, to house the migrants. And they're talking 2 million, 8 million that's going to affect the taxpayers here. And El Paso already has the highest property taxes in Texas.

And this is just going to add to that. And then, you know, with the appraisals doubling. The taxpayers in El Paso, getting squeezed. And if this is really a federal issue, it shouldn't be on the taxpayers of El Paso.

GLENN: No. It shouldn't be.

And that's -- that's the thing that infuriates me so much. When places like New York City say, we're overwhelmed. You know, four busloads. We're overwhelmed.

This isn't a border town. What does that mean?

Do you think border towns just magically have money spewing from their noses?

STU: It's so weird.

GLENN: It's so strange.

STU: All of the complaints that we're hearing from Martha's Vineyard and New York City and Washington, DC, and Chicago, are all the complaints that we have here in border states. It's like, hey. You have to understand, we didn't even know they were coming. We didn't even know how many beds to have. We don't have the resources.

GLENN: Neither did we!

STU: Yeah. That's what we've been saying for the past half century. Right? They don't -- they don't register with the equivalent of open table and make reservations when they're coming across the border. They don't go to open the border app and say, hey, we're coming with five. I hope you guys are ready. That doesn't happen. They just come. And we don't have the resources, and we just try to figure it out. And then they get shipped halfway across. They wind up either -- most of them wind up staying in the border states. Some of them go all across the country, to red states and blue states. But the vast majority of them wind up staying in border states. And we do not have the resources to handle it. It is a burden. You guys up in the blue states have been denying this. On Martha's Vineyard, you've been saying they're a blessing.

GLENN: We can send you 10,000 blessings.

STU: Yeah. We thought we were helping.

GLENN: It wouldn't even make a dent.

STU: Our buses are just buses of blessings. And you guys can take them with your multi-million-dollar homeless budgets and deal with it. These border towns don't have that. They're just forced to get screwed all the time, by policies, by the way, that are being implemented from -- with people who are living on Martha's Vineyard, who have houses on Martha's Vineyard. Those are the ones who are incentivizing this behavior. And eliminating the government's ability to stop it.

GLENN: But they were very enriched by their 48-hour stay. The people of Martha's Vineyard, I mean, they used the word, we were enriched by them.

Really? You were enriched? Forty-eight-hour visit where you didn't do anything but call the National Guard and say, can you guys come and get these people? What an enriching experience that is. So sickening.

STU: Yeah. Usually they're enriched because they get below cost labor for their incredible guardance. Now they're getting it in another way.

GLENN: Yeah. So -- so, Han, what is happening, in El Paso? How are you guys standing?

CALLER: Well, it's tough. But I did want to research a candidate. Guadalupe Giner, the first independent candidate to run in Texas history for county judge.

And she's going to --

GLENN: What's her name?

CALLER: Guadalupe Giner, G-I-N-E-R. And if you could get her on some time, she's fantastic. She's conservative. But she's not bending towards any party. She's trying to set a new path. And that's the only hope we have. Because we keep getting bond issue after bond issue, being placed on the ballot. For voters. And they keep voting for more and more bond issues, for things that are not in the realm of El Paso, like our UMC. It's a hospital. And it's supposed to take care of indigent care. But they're wanting a bond, so that they can build robotics and state-of-the-art, that competes with the private sector.

STU: And they always get approved.

GLENN: Yeah. They do. That's really bad too. Really bad. You cannot gut the private sector. By taking that on, your taxes go up. And, quite honestly, usually, scientific advancement slows down because there's no competition for it.

STU: This is my ultimate pet peeve. This stupid issue. Because people do it all the time.

GLENN: All the time.

STU: Even in super red conservative areas, you throw a bond up for people to vote, and people do what we call a benefit analysis. Not a cost-benefit analysis. But a benefit analysis.

Hey, I would like this new thing. Therefore, I'll check this box, with no cost whatsoever. Of course, that means taxes go up. And it's much worse than that.

For example, a lot of cities do this, where they build these incredibly nice, rec centers with gymnasiums. And -- and -- beautiful facilities.

GLENN: I don't know if this is happening in your state. But in Texas, this happens a lot.

STU: A lot.

GLENN: While we're building 90 million dollar high school stadiums for football. 90 million-dollar high school stadiums.

STU: Right. They'll build a rec center that has facilities. Places to meet. Whatever. And they might be very nice. And what they will do is they will build this facility with your tax dollars. And then your taxes will go up. Then you're paying for this facility. Then they will charge you this membership fee. This membership fee will be below market. For this facility, you will pay much more for a membership fee.

So they'll cut it by 30 or 40 percent, so lots of people will join in. Now, of course, there's another gym in the private sector that's built across town, and is an existing business. That gets put out of business.

Because now they've been undercut in the market by 30 or 40 percent.

If they somehow remain open, they get to pay taxes to their competition.

GLENN: Now, here's a great thing. Here's a great thing.

If you think your gym membership is hard to cancel. You can never cancel your gym membership, with your taxes.

It never ends.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Never ends.

STU: It's the hotel California of gymnasiums.

GLENN: It really is.


Glenn: America MUST DO THIS BEFORE calling a Convention of States

While Glenn is still fully in support of our constitutional ability to hold a Convention of States, he explains why that he no longer thinks we should, at least not until until a few things happen first. Glenn and Stu debate whether Americans are ready to open up the Constitution — and truly surrender to God to fix our nation — or if a Convention would only be ruled by partisan politics...


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GLENN: Welcome back to Mr. Stu Burguiere.

GLENN: Yeah. I was on vacation last week. Trying to keep up with the news, as much as I could.

You know, there's a lot to miss. You know. Because before I went on vacation, the queen passed away. And then when I came back from vacation, she still -- she still is not in her casket, to be wheeled around the country. Which is a very strange, odd thing, that I don't think humans should do. That's a whole different story.

I also saw, apparently, you withdrew your support for the Convention of States?

GLENN: Yeah.

Do you realize -- well, because I didn't plan on saying it. I had been praying on it. And I wasn't planning on saying anything on that day. Just kind of -- I was prompted in the course of something else we were talking about.

STU: Because we've talked about this as a real solution, as one of the only ways to get the country back on track.

GLENN: I know. I know. I know.

STU: And now you're coming out.

Are you announcing you're a Russian asset, just like Donald Trump? After all this time? Is that what you're doing?

GLENN: Yes. Natasha, they've caught on to me. I've got to fly now.

STU: Yeah. No. I think this is -- as I said, I still fully support the Article V -- as -- as it is. I fully believe that that is something that we can do.

I do believe that's the last cord to rip. But I also am very, very concerned. This is not a -- a constitutional problem. This isn't a political problem.

This is a -- a soul problem.

Our country has gone off the rails.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And I happen to believe, that we are in the Third Great Awakening.

STU: The third grade awakening? Like we're all third graders now?

GLENN: No. Third Great Awakening.

STU: That's what it seems. Because I could go for either one of those versions.

GLENN: Yeah, third grade awakening. Where they wake you up. It's time for milk. That's good.

But, no. The third great awakening. I think we're in that. But, you know, the first and the second, both took about 50 years, to do. And the second one, ended in the Civil War.

So I -- you know, I think we are waking. We're at the beginning of that.

But this is something that people without humility, should not open up.

Now, this is -- what's weird is. And I have to make it clear.

The people who were doing the Convention of States, I love them. I think they're a great organization.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: I think they really have their heart in the right place, and I understand that they -- you know, what they're doing. I am a supporter of them.

But I can't personally endorse it now. Because I am worried, that we are not the people of character, to open that sacred document up.

STU: Oh, we're definitely not the people of character, to do anything.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

STU: We are a trash heap right now.

GLENN: So we have --

STU: But I thought -- we talked to them before, and I thought a lot of this was addressed in the structure of the convention. You know, it's been a while since we talked about it in tail. You know, Mark Levin wrote a book about this. You know, he's -- and I remember this -- because of these concerns came up at the time. Who are we going to have making these decisions? This could go awry very easily. And it did seem like, I thought that was a pretty compelling argument, that the structure of the convention would prevent that.

GLENN: So it's not just the structure of it as well.

I mean, are we prayerfully approaching this?

I mean, I just didn't get up one morning and go.

I've been thinking about it. And I prayed about it. And I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Because I know the people who are out there, swinging for this. Are good, decent people. They're really good people.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: And, you know, David Barton, Wall Builders, they're really behind it.
So who am I to say?

STU: Yeah. And honestly, even when we were talking about this previously, the people who had concerns about it, also were good, prayerful people. I think it's one of those things, that there's a lot of disagreement on what can happen.

I honestly -- we've seen a lot of topics like this recently. Where people who generally agree on most stuff, wind up coming to totally different conclusions. And feel passionate about it, on things like this.

I am, I mean, worth future investigation, I think.
I think that you're totally right in your -- in your -- I think analysis of where we are as a country.

You know, like I -- this is another example from this past week. And I was watching it, sort of from afar. The situation where -- with DeSantis sending the illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. Now, of course, number one, I think it's funny. That's the most important part of the strategy.

But, like, I have absolutely no problem with the policy of what Abbott has done or what DeSantis has done. Or what -- I'm totally fine. All the arguments against it, are the same arguments we make in Texas every day.

GLENN: Yeah, and I'm tired. It's really driving me crazy. Going. We're not Texas. We're Washington, DC. We're not Texas. What does that even mean?

STU: Yeah. Right. Exactly. You're not a small border town that's overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of immigrants every few weeks. So I have no sympathy at all for the left on this. The one thing that I think, and this is essentially why you're hearing it.

What is somewhat effective, maybe as an argument. Is I don't want to be lying to people about it.

I don't want to tell them, like, hey. You're going somewhere. And it's not -- hold on. Let me -- let me qualify this. There's very little evidence, that anyone lied to anyone. There are a couple of claims from the immigration attorneys, in Martha's Vineyard. Take this with a grain of salt.

GLENN: Yeah. I take it with a whole salt mine.

STU: Yeah. I don't believe it. But it were true. I would have a problem lying to the illegal immigrants about this. Even though they're here illegally, and don't deserve any of the treatment that they --

GLENN: But it's not like we're sending them to Minnesota.

STU: Martha's Vineyard is awesome. It's a really great place to visit. But my point though was, I heard some people on the right saying, I don't care. Lie to them. Lie all you want.

STU: No, I don't want to be that person.

GLENN: And I think there is this disconnect certainly on the left, that have abandoned all -- all core principle at this point.

And I think there's a temptation on the right, to do similar things, because -- I'm not saying DeSantis even did this.

Again, to be clear. But because, look, they've gone so far, so we need to go so far. And whether we're going to stick with our principles or not.

Look, that's a relic of a past time.

And honestly, part of it, I understand.

Part of it, emotionally, I get. Right?

They're using these things. And we need to be able to fight fire with fire.

GLENN: There's nothing immoral about sending them to different places. You can send them any place in America. They're coming to America.
Why do they have to stop in Texas and Arizona and California?

STU: That's fighting fire with fire within the realm of principle. Right?

GLENN: Fine. Then spread the pain out.

STU: As DeSantis said, everybody should experience a piece of the burden here. Especially, if you're approving it.

GLENN: Especially if you're a sanctuary city. Yeah. When you're saying you're a sanctuary. That to me, is fighting fire with fire. Within the realms of principle, right?

Because I don't want to be the left. I don't want to be them. I don't want to be them. I would rather lose than become they believe.

GLENN: Yes. Well.

STU: If you about it beyond that, and you start breaking your principles in this battle. Then I think you've crossed a line I'm not comfortable with. Now, everybody else on earth, might be comfortable with it.

So it doesn't matter what I think. I will live on my lonesome probably under a bridge somewhere. I'm fine with it. That's my choice.

I think there is a line. And it's a line that this audience oar the years, has given healthy respect to. There have been plenty of times where we pushed back, and tried to do things. And not crossed lines of principle.

And I think that's important. And I honestly think both Abbott and DeSantis have done that here. Unless some of these wild claims are true, which we have no evidence of, at this point.

But, you know, I don't think there's any evidence they've done this. But I do think it is something that in a war, which is what it feels like on a day to take basis here. Not a literal war. But as close as you can get politically. It's tempting to go down these roads. We have to make sure that we don't. We have to make sure that we win. And we win in a way that holds up what we believe in. Because if you break that, you haven't won.

GLENN: Right. And when I see that as -- I mean, there's a couple of things, that I think, that I'm looking for.

Will the country humble itself, before it's forced to humble itself?

Because the humbling is coming. It's coming. You know. And if we humble ourselves before it's coming, maybe we turn the tide. You know, maybe -- maybe we are a little bit more kind, to each other, when it does hit.

We have to humble ourselves. And realize, you know, I was talking to Dennis Prager this weekend. He said, he was -- he's fascinated with my alcoholism. And I said, well, that's something weird to be fascinated by.

But he said, you know, how can alcoholics save the country? Because he was referring to me for years as saying, alcoholics will save the country.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: Just think of this as a 12 step program. First thing, the country has to do. Admit we have a problem. And not just the right or the left.

All of us. We have a problem.

This is not working. And we keep sending people in. And going, hey, you can be our savior. You're going to fix it all.

And they betray us for the most part. Exception, Donald Trump. He actually did do what he said he was going to do. But we are powerless over this. Okay?

We have a problem. And we're powerless over it. Now, you turn to a higher power.

And that doesn't mean somebody in Washington. That means somebody that is above all of it. All of it.

Well, that's a place for God. And you surrender to that. That -- that is the essential first step to healing and correcting any problem.

I got a problem. I've tried everything. Everything doesn't work. So I'm clearly not the guy to fix it. I'm pretty powerless on this. I'm taking my hands off the steering wheel. And I'm trusting a higher power. And I'm so broken and beaten down, that I'll do whatever you tell me to do. What do you want me to do, God? What do you want me to do? Because I'll do it.

We have to get there.

After that, it's, hey, make an inventory of all the people that you've hurt. You think we're willing to do that?

No. Because it would immediately go into, yeah. That's right. You are bad. See, I told you, you're bad. You're really wad. And you owe that person money.

No. No.

Can we just look at the things that we've done, and say, these were good? These were bad. These we should do more of, those we should do less of.

If we can get there, that would be even a bigger miracle. Because at the end of the 12, the 12th is, serve.

I'm going to serve my fellow man. I'll help people who have been struggling, just like me. And I'm doing it for politics or money or anything else.

I'm just going to do it, because I know I've been saved. So I want to help serve other people.

That's the -- that's the America that we should be striving towards. But who is talking about surrender?

And, by the way, surrender, another way to look at it again, for alcoholics. I didn't give in and go, you know what, I surrender. I'm powerless over alcohol. So I'm just going to drink some water.

That's not what it means. It means, surrender to a higher power. Because you keep trying to stop it. And you can't stop it.

STU: Yeah. It's not a surrender to a loss. It's a surrender so you can win.

GLENN: So you can win.


Democrat Party 'BECAME A RELIGION': How Biden LOST her vote

Sasha Stone "devoted [her] entire life" to the Democrat Party. But after voting for President Biden and realizing that he didn't return America to the "normal" she longed for, she has found herself somewhere she never thought she'd be: on the Glenn Beck Program. Stone, the author of the new piece, "How Joe Biden Lost My Vote," describes to Glenn the moment the Democrat Party became a "religion," what she learned from watching Trump rallies, and why she has "never seen anything like" the Left's "dehumanization" of Trump supporters: "I see the cult more on the Left than on the Right."


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GLENN: Sasha Stone is with us now.

Sasha, how are you?

SASHA: Oh, I'm fine. Hi. Is this Glenn? Am I speaking with Glenn Beck? Wow.

GLENN: Probably something you never thought would do.

SASHA: Absolutely never something I thought I would do. But I am familiar with your thoughts and on certain things. I've watched you -- your interviews with different people, over the year.

GLENN: Yeah.

So, Sasha, you were -- you've been a diehard Democrat. Obama, Clinton, and -- and Joe Biden, right? You made videos about Joe Biden, trying to get him elected.

SASHA: Yes. I mean, I want to tell you, I devoted my entire life, unfortunately to this life. Whole years have disappeared from my life.

And as you get older, you really need that time. You need it back, and you can't get it back. So I guess I thought I was on some sort of crusade, spending every single day arguing on Twitter and Facebook and writing blistering pieces for Medium.

And I really did think I was on the right side, and I -- and I felt the same sense of purpose, that I think a lot of people on the left felt after Obama rose to power in 2008.

I think it just -- that's when it became. I know you're interested, in talking about religions and stuff like that. I think that's really the moment that it became a religion.


I would agree with you. What -- what was it, that you voted for, with Joe Biden and you think your friends voted for with Joe Biden?

ALEX: Well, for me, it was strategic partly. But also I had an emotional connection to him, somehow. I had over the years. I don't know where it came from.

But I -- I liked him.

He reminded me of my dad. And I thought he was a good guy. But, you know, you have to remember, on our side. We actually -- it's weird that people with so much power and wealth, dominate almost every institution, would feel like they're the ones who are besieged.

You know, that they're the oppressed side. But I think that's definitely what we convinced ourselves, that we were stopping Hitler.

And I believe that Joe Biden was the only one that could do it.

But I did get a lot of heat from my -- my friends who didn't think Biden was the guy.

And I feel sort of somewhat guilty about that. That I didn't see it. I thought, he'll win. That will be fine. And everything will be -- everything will be back to, quote, unquote, normal in America. And what that meant, was rolling back the forward motion of this country, to the Obama administration. To the Obama era. I think that's what everybody was thinking. But what I've learned in the past few years, is you can't go back. You know, you have to keep moving forward. There's no other option, really. You try to hold on to the past, you just will be selling things that people are no longer interested in. But wouldn't that be -- that's what Joe Biden says he's selling. And Barack Obama is part of the plan here. And moving his vision forward. Isn't that what he did?

SASHA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that's the problem. They are so desperately trying to cling to the utopia that we've all built. That they lost site of most Americans. The reality of most Americans. The reality that most Americans have changed. The world has changed. The left has changed. And I don't think they see that. They're just desperate to hold on to the path. And I think they see it as -- and I've started to see it, the fight between Obama's America and Trump's America. Which is a little like the -- the moment that, you know, back in the 60s, when they were switching from JFK, to Nixon. Nixon was sort of like the disrupter.

And then eventually, that moved to Reagan in 1980, and then the whole pendulum shifted to the right.

I think that's where we are right now. We're in that struggle phase of the disrupter that's breaking up the status quo. As the pendulum is starting to swing to the right. But it will be a while before we get there. And it might not get there, if the Democrats hold on to power. They're not going to let that happen.

GLENN: This is -- I'm sure we disagree still on a lot of stuff. You wouldn't consider yourself a conservative? You're just a -- a traditional liberal, I'm guessing?

SASHA: Well, I am in sort of a strange place. I was telling one of my best friends. Because my friends basically no longer speak to me. Most of them don't. Because we don't really have anything to talk about.

GLENN: Yeah.

SASHA: But I kept saying no. And all this time, my policies haven't changed in my mind. The one area where my mind has changed a little bit is abortion. I used to be one of those people, you know.

But I've seen the other side of it. I've seen things from the perspective of the right now. And I understand why this is something they've been fighting for decades, you know. So I do struggle with these things. I find myself of an in between place. I'm not really sure where I would go politically, you know -- I live in California, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

It's such a Deep Blue state, that my vote is meaningless.

You know, so I don't have to -- like, if I lived in Pennsylvania or Arizona, you know, honestly, I'm pretty sure, it would be just voting red.

I voted for the recall. And I voted for Larry Elder for that. So, you know, I'm just one of those independents that is going to take every election. And decide on the spot.

No. I'm not a traditional conservative. The way that you are, for instance.

GLENN: Yeah.

SASHA: You know, I don't have that sort of sense of purpose, I think, that a lot of people on the right have.

GLENN: Yeah. So what was it, that broke the camel's back?

SASHA: Well, I'm not really sure what happened in my brain, that changed the way I followed the world. But I know it happened in 2020. I know it happened once the protests and the riots broke out. And watching the media cover it up. And change the story and the narrative. And then as we headed into the election, I just kept seeing how there was an administrative state, that was taking over the Democratic process. That's how I saw it anyway.

And I was sort of blown away, by that. I had never seen it like that, before. But there was so much money and power, bringing down a duly elected president, that they didn't like.

GLENN: But you didn't like Donald Trump. Or did you is this?

SASHA: Well, that was the hard thing. And the weird thing. Is that when I decided, to -- you know, you -- you talk about this a lot, actually, Glenn.

Which is the dehumanization of whole groups of people, that is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. And I felt, when I was on Twitter, I was part of that.

And it gave me a chill, that I was dehumanizing a whole group of people. And I thought, where does this end? Where does all of this hatred every single go?

You know, they think the right is the side with the hate. But they're not. It's the left.

And so I started -- it's been my way of trying to get to know this world. I began watching Trump rallies. And I watched all -- still to this day, I've seen every single Trump rally. You know, looking for that smoking gun that would say, yes. He's a terrible racist, fascist, selling hate. But I didn't see that with Trump. In fact, it's hard to watch him not like him. Because he's charming and charismatic. And funny.

GLENN: Funny. People that really hate him. And they've missed a really good time. On his rallies. He's funny. He's very funny.

SASHA: He was really funny. And it was more than that. I was in such a dark place. And the only -- nobody believes me on this. But the only moments of joy I had, was watching those rallies. Everybody was happy. Kind of like the people of Whoville, when the Grinch has taken away all their toys. And Christmas trees. And everything. And he's waiting to watch them suffer.

But they don't. They're happy. And I was watching this -- and then I started to look forward to his rallies.

Okay. Let's see this. The music would start. And he would come out, and it was just a love fest. Of people who had hope, that he gave them hope. And I didn't see the cult. You know, I see the cult more on the left, than I do on the right. And people don't know this about Trump. But he makes a lot of jokes at his own expense.

And -- and, you know, when I explain this to people, like the one where he says, the guy -- one of the governors, or something, plucked a hair off his head. And he said, and we went looking for that hair. Because he couldn't refuse to lose one hair. But he's always making jokes at his own expense. Jokes about his vanity. And he's funny.

GLENN: So hang on. But you watched all of these. And yet, you voted and made videos about Joe Biden. Right?

SASHA: No. I mean, I had done all that before. I was on the Biden train. Yeah. In 2019. And as I was heading into the 2019 election. I was talking to my friends. I had two friends that were Trump haters.

They won't even speaking to me about Trump. They call him evil. His supporters must be terminated, and stuff like that. I said, you know what the word exterminate was used for, don't you? In regards to people.

And that did shut them up for a minute. But they really -- they're so full of hate, I've never seen anything like this, in my entire life, honestly.

That kind of dehumanization. So what I kept saying, I'm not so sure about Biden. I don't think he should be president.

And what's the alternative?

Trump was way worse. And I said, I don't know. I'm seeing this sort of bizarre new religion that's overtaking the left. And he's going to usher that into government, and that's really dangerous. And he's old. I mean, not old, as that's a bad thing. But I could say see that he was declining. You know, since I saw him at a luncheon in 2019.

He was already starting to decline mentally. And I had seen my dad go through dementia I can't a year before. And I was recognizing a lot of the same downward patterns that my dad went through. And they just shut me down.

And, honestly, Glenn, to tell you the truth, I do have a business that I run that is a Hollywood business.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

SASHA: No. I'm just saying, I'm flirting with disaster here. If I had voted for Trump, let's say. My career would be -- I wouldn't make another time, ever. If they ever found out, right? So I didn't vote for Trump. Vote for Biden, and I did it for that reason, honestly. And I don't know where I am politically. I have to just do some soul searching to really figure that out. Because I don't really know at the moment.

GLENN: All right. Hang on. How much time do we have with you, Sasha?

SASHA: As much time as you would like.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Yeah, I would like to see if we could get another 20-plus minutes out of you if you don't mind, if you've got that time.
SASHA: No, that's fine.

GLENN: Back in just a second. One minute and back to Sasha Stone.

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GLENN: So, boy. You are in a nasty predicament. You are in California. Your business is tied to Hollywood. God bless you.

SASHA: Uh-huh yep.

GLENN: But you're not shy about things now. You have a great Substack.

SASHA: Thank you.

GLENN: And you wrote an article, how Joe Biden lost my vote.

And it was -- it was heartening to see somebody that had taken their own education, and decided, this might take me places, I don't want to go. But I want to know the truth. Is that how you would describe what you did?

SASHA: Yeah. That's an absolutely brilliant way of describing it. You know, that is where -- that is where my mind has taken me. It's taken me down a lot of rabbit holes over the years. Watergate. The Salem witch hunt trials. World War II. I'm a fanatic for that.

And, you know, when I find that something doesn't seem quite right. You know, I have to sort of investigate it. And I feel like, that the truth matters to me. This is what I've found now in my life. Is that that matters more than just about everything, except for my daughter probably. Maybe my dogs. But it matters, you know, that we see the truth. That we can speak the truth. That I can speak the truth. I grew up in a country. You know, the left was always the counterculture. So we were encouraged to speak the truth, always.

And now I'm being asked to modify my version. You know, to believe a lie. A lot of lies about people.

And I feel like, the only thing that really matters to me right now, is giving some relief to the other half of the country. To the people who are being treated so terribly.

On almost every level. You know, once I started to get to know this world. I began watching documentaries. And the Oscar race. Because that's what I read about, the Oscars. And I just noticed, how they reflected only one point of view. And how limiting that was for them. They can't tell the story of the working man, anymore. Like they used to be able to. Because the working man is most likely going to be a Trump supporter.

GLENN: And you never saw that, when you were in the bubble.

SASHA: No. And that was the weird thing. Is when I realized I was in a bubble. I kept trying to tell people, I can't talk to you, I'm in the bubble. They thought I was a lunatic. They thought I lost my mind.

I sounded crazy to them. And, you know, I've thought about it a lot. I've been online for 28 years. I was an early adopter. Got online in 1994. Built a website in 1999. So I know the internet well.

And I have to conclude, that a lot of this has to do with how we migrated on to social media. And become -- you know, in our own little eco systems. Where, you know, on Twitter, they only get news that they want to hear. So it distorts their thinking.

That's why I had to cut off the news completely. Because even if I watch one news story on the left. They can completely persuade me, to think about something a different way. But it's one thing if you're getting that in a different way. And deciding for yourself. And it's another thing when you're only watching the one version. And I just found that honestly, the more critical thinkers. The more intelligent thinkers. Oh, this is so terrible to say. But they're on the right now. They're not on the left anymore. The left has become a movement that they believe they have all the answers now. And the answers are found in ranking people by race and gender, not by class or economics. And --

GLENN: Or by character.

SASHA: Or by character, right! Even though, if you go into the Trump world, you will see it's incredibly diversity. It's not just white people. And that's the next piece I'm about to right. Is about that. Because I think it's such a crazy thing to watch them stereotype and characterize people, that doesn't align with reality.