We are entering a new dark age: Fake subjects are taking over media and academia

What’s going on?

Conservative British philosopher, professor and writer, Roger Scruton, spoke in Australia about the way ‘fake subjects’ have taken over in the media and academia, which is exactly what has happened throughout history at the onset of a totalitarian regime.

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“One of the first things that happens when a totalitarian government takes over, is the universities are ‘cleaned up,’ which is to say people who are doing that kind of thing [rejecting fake subjects] are thrown out. This is what happened when the Nazis took over German Universities and when the Soviets, or communists, took over the Russian universities,” Scruton said. “On the whole, this is the first move that the totalitarian mentality makes to stop that kind of free-minded, open scholarship in pursuit of truth.”

What are these fake subjects?

“We have seen the grown of an extraordinary number of new subjects in the University in which the pursuit of truth seems to be secondary to … the pursuit of some kind of political conformity. If you take a subject like women’s studies — now I know this is a controversial issue, but perhaps it can be talked about freely in this room. You can’t talk about it freely in America, on the whole,” explained Scruton. “It’s a subject constructed around an ideology … to question it, is something which is essentially made impossible — both by the curriculum and by the way of teaching it. And I think you’ll find that there are quite a lot of subjects like that growing in our universities in which conformities to an orthodoxy takes precedence over intellectual method.”

Glenn’s take:

Universities are meant to question, to hold to the facts, and use scientific standards to be able to decide,” said Glenn. “He’s saying that we have rejected that, just the way they did in Europe, just the way they did in Russia, just the way they do in China …. We are entering a new dark age. We are going back into it, and we’re being lead to slaughter.”

STU: Roger Scruton.

GLENN: Yeah. Roger Scruton. Okay. So Roger Scruton is a professor that says, you know, we've got a problem.

Now, he's speaking in Australia.

And he's saying, we have a problem. And I want to talk to you about it. But I can talk to you about it here, kind of, if everybody will stay rational. But I definitely can't have this conversation in America. So let's play cut one.

VOICE: One of the first things that happens when a totalitarian government takes over, is that the universities are cleaned up. That's to say, people who are doing that kind of thing, get thrown out. This is what happened when the Nazis took over the German universities and when the Soviets took over -- the communists took over the Russian universities.

And it was the case in eastern Europe in my day, with the sole exception of Poland, which had universities, which were the only universities where every professor was on the right. That was because the communists were everywhere.

But on the whole, this is the first move that the totalitarian mentality makes, to stop that kind of free-minded open scholarship in pursuit of truth. And it may be there has to be something like that.

You know, maybe after all in the Middle Ages, maybe theology was like that.

But the interesting thing about medieval theology is that it encouraged the intellectual method, despite its requirement of orthodoxy.

GLENN: So it's really interesting what he's saying is, whenever there's a totalitarian regime anywhere in the world, the first thing they do is take the universities. And the universities are meant to question, hold to the facts, and use scientific standards to be able to decide. And he is saying that we have rejected that, just the way they did in Europe, just the way they did in Russia, just the way they do in China, rejected those scientific standards. And we're entering a new dark age.

And, you know, that might sound like hyperbole, to those who might be listening on the left. But it's -- can you honestly say that scientific standards have been adhered to -- boy, this is controversial -- for -- for climate change.

I mean, I'm willing to look at the thermometer and say, okay. The thermometer is going up. The thermometer is going down. I'm not willing to project a weather pattern out over 100 years.

I'm not willing to look at weather or climate over 100 years because you've already been wrong.

STU: Well, you can look at it, you just to have apply the appropriate level of skepticism and uncertainty, which is not allowed.

GLENN: Correct. Correct. Then also you cannot shun those who have a different opinion. Scientific standards rely on you to say, okay. Wait a minute. Question. Question. Question. Is there any new data? Is there anything that's changing? Question. Question. Question.

We're not questioning anymore. And that should scare everyone. We need to question these things.

Now, I'm willing to -- I'm willing to say, okay. Global warming is happening. It makes sense to me that maybe man is playing a role in that. I don't think man is insignificant.

But I also don't think that the planet is -- the planet will destroy us before we can destroy it. And I don't want that to happen. I want to do the things that we can do.

I'm willing to do those things. If you -- without even proving. It's good to take care of the planet. But if you prove to me that we are doing things, okay. So then, what's the next step?

What's the most effective thing we can do?

Well, stop eating meat. Get rid of farms. Okay. How come I'm not hearing that.

STU: Yeah. You very rarely do. And that's the same source, the UN, that gives us all the rest of it.

GLENN: So it doesn't happen because it doesn't entail $14 trillion of wealth being redistributed. That's why. There's no wealth redistribution when it comes to the farms. None.

STU: You don't need laws. You don't need more control. You just do it, right?

GLENN: Just stop. Just stop eating meat.

STU: And, of course, they won't. I mean, very rarely. It took Al Gore, what? Five or six -- it was longer than that. Ten years before he supposedly converted.

GLENN: Right.

STU: It would be interesting to know if that's actually true. But instead of being in a place where you can question things like that, we are in a place where the Australian government has provided a 19,000-dollar grant, to a playwright, who has written a play, entitled Kill Climate Deniers.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

STU: The plot, a classic rock band takes the stage in parliament's house main hall. And 96 armed eco terrorists stormed the building and take the entire government hostage, threatening to execute everyone, unless Australia ends global warming.

GLENN: Is that more akin to the Dark Ages or to the Enlightenment?

STU: Of course, the Dark Ages.

GLENN: Of course. Of course it is. And that's exactly what we're being dragged back into.

We fought hard as man. We fought hard to get out of the Dark Ages, where somebody said, I know the answer, and you don't.

And I'm basing it on what was then known as something that you didn't use any of your senses, you couldn't see it, taste it, feel it, hear it. It was called nonsense.

And so we rejected all things that were nonsense. We fought hard to get out of the Dark Ages. And we are going back into it. And we are being led to slaughter.

And we -- we got to turn this around. Now, listen to what he says about women's studies, et cetera, et cetera.

VOICE: So we have been lucky in inheriting universities of that kind. But is it the case that we still have them? We have seen the growth of an extraordinary number of new subjects in the university, in which the pursuit of truth seems to be secondary to something else. The other thing being the pursuit of some kind of political conformity.

If you take a subject like women's studies -- now, I know this is a controversial issue. But perhaps it can be talked about freely in this room. You can't talk about it freely in America on the whole.

Anyway, there is a subject, it's very difficult to imagine, that you would succeed in that subject, if you didn't have either at the outset or certainly in the conclusion, feminist opinions.

Now, there is -- it's a subject constructed around an ideology. It might be that this ideology is grounded in truth. Who knows? But to question it is something which is essentially made impossible, both by the curriculum and by the way of teaching it. And I think you'll find that there are quite a lot of subjects like that, growing in our universities, in which conformity to an orthodoxy takes precedence over intellectual method.

GLENN: He talks about, so what is the solution, that you replace the male hierarchy with female hierarchy? You replace the white hierarchy with the black hierarchy?

That's not -- that's not scientific. That's not thoughtful. That's nothing. That's truly nothing.

STU: It just makes you feel good.

GLENN: For a little while, until you realize that people are people.

There was an interesting article -- I'm trying to get into it tomorrow, that was written on Winston Churchill. And it was an op-ed in the Washington Post. And it came out I think yesterday. And it was talking about what an evil SOB Winston Churchill was.

And in some regards, yeah. When it comes to India, yep. Yep. Really bad. He made some really bad decisions.

And was pretty racist. Okay.

So does that make him evil? Do we reject all of the things that he did to save freedom because he was so wrong in his time on India?

No. We have to know all of the really bad things about Winston Churchill, and we need to know all of the really good things about Winston Churchill. Because it makes him human.

All of us -- all of us have a really bad side and a really good side.

Which one is in control of your life?

And are you getting better? You know, what the author left out is, by the time the 1940s were in, Winston Churchill was already regretting the things he said and did in India. He was already saying, I shouldn't have done that. I wish I would have done this. He learned.

What are we learning now? What are we really teaching? We're teaching that -- in this case, Winston Churchill is really, really bad. No. He wasn't.

He was really bad here. He was really good here. Now let's have the discussion.

So what does that mean? And what does that tell us about us? And then, what should that tell us about power?

What should that tell us about how to make sure that we're careful with power and who we give power to and how we restrain power?

But if we're only being indoctrinated that Winston Churchill, as one, as an example, is just a horrible human being, that's just an overcorrection, and it takes us nowhere. It takes us to nihilism.

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NEWSFLASH: Border towns CAN'T HANDLE the immigration crisis either

Democrats in Martha's Vineyard panicked after just 50 illegal immigrants were sent to their town. And Democrats in Washington DC are insisting that only border towns are equipped to handle the amount of migrants DC is now seeing. But Glenn speaks to a caller from El Paso, Texas, who tells a different story: Border towns are much more overrun, and their crisis, fueled by the policies of big-city Democrats, has been going on for over a year...

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GLENN: Let me go to Han in Texas. Hello, Han.

CALLER: Hey, Glenn.

GLENN: How are you, sir, in.

CALLER: Real good. I'm in El Paso, Texas. And seeing the news about Martha's Vineyard. And 50 -- that they can't handle migrants. The news just reported that we're now up to 1500 per day, every day, in El Paso. And that's non-stop.

GLENN: Jeez. How is this changing? How is this changing El Paso? What is it like to live there?

CALLER: Well, every -- all the migrant shelters. They're now calling on all the churches. To try to take in migrants. To provide food for migrants. People are buying shoes because they don't have shoes. And they're all downtown. And then the city, and the county are buying these buildings, to house the migrants. And they're talking 2 million, 8 million that's going to affect the taxpayers here. And El Paso already has the highest property taxes in Texas.

And this is just going to add to that. And then, you know, with the appraisals doubling. The taxpayers in El Paso, getting squeezed. And if this is really a federal issue, it shouldn't be on the taxpayers of El Paso.

GLENN: No. It shouldn't be.

And that's -- that's the thing that infuriates me so much. When places like New York City say, we're overwhelmed. You know, four busloads. We're overwhelmed.

This isn't a border town. What does that mean?

Do you think border towns just magically have money spewing from their noses?

STU: It's so weird.

GLENN: It's so strange.

STU: All of the complaints that we're hearing from Martha's Vineyard and New York City and Washington, DC, and Chicago, are all the complaints that we have here in border states. It's like, hey. You have to understand, we didn't even know they were coming. We didn't even know how many beds to have. We don't have the resources.

GLENN: Neither did we!

STU: Yeah. That's what we've been saying for the past half century. Right? They don't -- they don't register with the equivalent of open table and make reservations when they're coming across the border. They don't go to open the border app and say, hey, we're coming with five. I hope you guys are ready. That doesn't happen. They just come. And we don't have the resources, and we just try to figure it out. And then they get shipped halfway across. They wind up either -- most of them wind up staying in the border states. Some of them go all across the country, to red states and blue states. But the vast majority of them wind up staying in border states. And we do not have the resources to handle it. It is a burden. You guys up in the blue states have been denying this. On Martha's Vineyard, you've been saying they're a blessing.

GLENN: We can send you 10,000 blessings.

STU: Yeah. We thought we were helping.

GLENN: It wouldn't even make a dent.

STU: Our buses are just buses of blessings. And you guys can take them with your multi-million-dollar homeless budgets and deal with it. These border towns don't have that. They're just forced to get screwed all the time, by policies, by the way, that are being implemented from -- with people who are living on Martha's Vineyard, who have houses on Martha's Vineyard. Those are the ones who are incentivizing this behavior. And eliminating the government's ability to stop it.

GLENN: But they were very enriched by their 48-hour stay. The people of Martha's Vineyard, I mean, they used the word, we were enriched by them.

Really? You were enriched? Forty-eight-hour visit where you didn't do anything but call the National Guard and say, can you guys come and get these people? What an enriching experience that is. So sickening.

STU: Yeah. Usually they're enriched because they get below cost labor for their incredible guardance. Now they're getting it in another way.

GLENN: Yeah. So -- so, Han, what is happening, in El Paso? How are you guys standing?

CALLER: Well, it's tough. But I did want to research a candidate. Guadalupe Giner, the first independent candidate to run in Texas history for county judge.

And she's going to --

GLENN: What's her name?

CALLER: Guadalupe Giner, G-I-N-E-R. And if you could get her on some time, she's fantastic. She's conservative. But she's not bending towards any party. She's trying to set a new path. And that's the only hope we have. Because we keep getting bond issue after bond issue, being placed on the ballot. For voters. And they keep voting for more and more bond issues, for things that are not in the realm of El Paso, like our UMC. It's a hospital. And it's supposed to take care of indigent care. But they're wanting a bond, so that they can build robotics and state-of-the-art, that competes with the private sector.

STU: And they always get approved.

GLENN: Yeah. They do. That's really bad too. Really bad. You cannot gut the private sector. By taking that on, your taxes go up. And, quite honestly, usually, scientific advancement slows down because there's no competition for it.

STU: This is my ultimate pet peeve. This stupid issue. Because people do it all the time.

GLENN: All the time.

STU: Even in super red conservative areas, you throw a bond up for people to vote, and people do what we call a benefit analysis. Not a cost-benefit analysis. But a benefit analysis.

Hey, I would like this new thing. Therefore, I'll check this box, with no cost whatsoever. Of course, that means taxes go up. And it's much worse than that.

For example, a lot of cities do this, where they build these incredibly nice, rec centers with gymnasiums. And -- and -- beautiful facilities.

GLENN: I don't know if this is happening in your state. But in Texas, this happens a lot.

STU: A lot.

GLENN: While we're building 90 million dollar high school stadiums for football. 90 million-dollar high school stadiums.

STU: Right. They'll build a rec center that has facilities. Places to meet. Whatever. And they might be very nice. And what they will do is they will build this facility with your tax dollars. And then your taxes will go up. Then you're paying for this facility. Then they will charge you this membership fee. This membership fee will be below market. For this facility, you will pay much more for a membership fee.

So they'll cut it by 30 or 40 percent, so lots of people will join in. Now, of course, there's another gym in the private sector that's built across town, and is an existing business. That gets put out of business.

Because now they've been undercut in the market by 30 or 40 percent.

If they somehow remain open, they get to pay taxes to their competition.

GLENN: Now, here's a great thing. Here's a great thing.

If you think your gym membership is hard to cancel. You can never cancel your gym membership, with your taxes.

It never ends.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Never ends.

STU: It's the hotel California of gymnasiums.

GLENN: It really is.

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Glenn: America MUST DO THIS BEFORE calling a Convention of States

While Glenn is still fully in support of our constitutional ability to hold a Convention of States, he explains why that he no longer thinks we should, at least not until until a few things happen first. Glenn and Stu debate whether Americans are ready to open up the Constitution — and truly surrender to God to fix our nation — or if a Convention would only be ruled by partisan politics...

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GLENN: Welcome back to Mr. Stu Burguiere.

GLENN: Yeah. I was on vacation last week. Trying to keep up with the news, as much as I could.

You know, there's a lot to miss. You know. Because before I went on vacation, the queen passed away. And then when I came back from vacation, she still -- she still is not in her casket, to be wheeled around the country. Which is a very strange, odd thing, that I don't think humans should do. That's a whole different story.

I also saw, apparently, you withdrew your support for the Convention of States?

GLENN: Yeah.

Do you realize -- well, because I didn't plan on saying it. I had been praying on it. And I wasn't planning on saying anything on that day. Just kind of -- I was prompted in the course of something else we were talking about.

STU: Because we've talked about this as a real solution, as one of the only ways to get the country back on track.

GLENN: I know. I know. I know.

STU: And now you're coming out.

Are you announcing you're a Russian asset, just like Donald Trump? After all this time? Is that what you're doing?

GLENN: Yes. Natasha, they've caught on to me. I've got to fly now.

STU: Yeah. No. I think this is -- as I said, I still fully support the Article V -- as -- as it is. I fully believe that that is something that we can do.

I do believe that's the last cord to rip. But I also am very, very concerned. This is not a -- a constitutional problem. This isn't a political problem.

This is a -- a soul problem.

Our country has gone off the rails.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And I happen to believe, that we are in the Third Great Awakening.

STU: The third grade awakening? Like we're all third graders now?

GLENN: No. Third Great Awakening.

STU: That's what it seems. Because I could go for either one of those versions.

GLENN: Yeah, third grade awakening. Where they wake you up. It's time for milk. That's good.

But, no. The third great awakening. I think we're in that. But, you know, the first and the second, both took about 50 years, to do. And the second one, ended in the Civil War.

So I -- you know, I think we are waking. We're at the beginning of that.

But this is something that people without humility, should not open up.

Now, this is -- what's weird is. And I have to make it clear.

The people who were doing the Convention of States, I love them. I think they're a great organization.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: I think they really have their heart in the right place, and I understand that they -- you know, what they're doing. I am a supporter of them.

But I can't personally endorse it now. Because I am worried, that we are not the people of character, to open that sacred document up.

STU: Oh, we're definitely not the people of character, to do anything.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

STU: We are a trash heap right now.

GLENN: So we have --

STU: But I thought -- we talked to them before, and I thought a lot of this was addressed in the structure of the convention. You know, it's been a while since we talked about it in tail. You know, Mark Levin wrote a book about this. You know, he's -- and I remember this -- because of these concerns came up at the time. Who are we going to have making these decisions? This could go awry very easily. And it did seem like, I thought that was a pretty compelling argument, that the structure of the convention would prevent that.

GLENN: So it's not just the structure of it as well.

I mean, are we prayerfully approaching this?

I mean, I just didn't get up one morning and go.

I've been thinking about it. And I prayed about it. And I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Because I know the people who are out there, swinging for this. Are good, decent people. They're really good people.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: And, you know, David Barton, Wall Builders, they're really behind it.
So who am I to say?

STU: Yeah. And honestly, even when we were talking about this previously, the people who had concerns about it, also were good, prayerful people. I think it's one of those things, that there's a lot of disagreement on what can happen.

I honestly -- we've seen a lot of topics like this recently. Where people who generally agree on most stuff, wind up coming to totally different conclusions. And feel passionate about it, on things like this.

I am, I mean, worth future investigation, I think.
I think that you're totally right in your -- in your -- I think analysis of where we are as a country.

You know, like I -- this is another example from this past week. And I was watching it, sort of from afar. The situation where -- with DeSantis sending the illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. Now, of course, number one, I think it's funny. That's the most important part of the strategy.

But, like, I have absolutely no problem with the policy of what Abbott has done or what DeSantis has done. Or what -- I'm totally fine. All the arguments against it, are the same arguments we make in Texas every day.

GLENN: Yeah, and I'm tired. It's really driving me crazy. Going. We're not Texas. We're Washington, DC. We're not Texas. What does that even mean?

STU: Yeah. Right. Exactly. You're not a small border town that's overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of immigrants every few weeks. So I have no sympathy at all for the left on this. The one thing that I think, and this is essentially why you're hearing it.

What is somewhat effective, maybe as an argument. Is I don't want to be lying to people about it.

I don't want to tell them, like, hey. You're going somewhere. And it's not -- hold on. Let me -- let me qualify this. There's very little evidence, that anyone lied to anyone. There are a couple of claims from the immigration attorneys, in Martha's Vineyard. Take this with a grain of salt.

GLENN: Yeah. I take it with a whole salt mine.

STU: Yeah. I don't believe it. But it were true. I would have a problem lying to the illegal immigrants about this. Even though they're here illegally, and don't deserve any of the treatment that they --

GLENN: But it's not like we're sending them to Minnesota.

STU: Martha's Vineyard is awesome. It's a really great place to visit. But my point though was, I heard some people on the right saying, I don't care. Lie to them. Lie all you want.

STU: No, I don't want to be that person.

GLENN: And I think there is this disconnect certainly on the left, that have abandoned all -- all core principle at this point.

And I think there's a temptation on the right, to do similar things, because -- I'm not saying DeSantis even did this.

Again, to be clear. But because, look, they've gone so far, so we need to go so far. And whether we're going to stick with our principles or not.

Look, that's a relic of a past time.

And honestly, part of it, I understand.

Part of it, emotionally, I get. Right?

They're using these things. And we need to be able to fight fire with fire.

GLENN: There's nothing immoral about sending them to different places. You can send them any place in America. They're coming to America.
Why do they have to stop in Texas and Arizona and California?

STU: That's fighting fire with fire within the realm of principle. Right?

GLENN: Fine. Then spread the pain out.

STU: As DeSantis said, everybody should experience a piece of the burden here. Especially, if you're approving it.

GLENN: Especially if you're a sanctuary city. Yeah. When you're saying you're a sanctuary. That to me, is fighting fire with fire. Within the realms of principle, right?

Because I don't want to be the left. I don't want to be them. I don't want to be them. I would rather lose than become they believe.

GLENN: Yes. Well.

STU: If you about it beyond that, and you start breaking your principles in this battle. Then I think you've crossed a line I'm not comfortable with. Now, everybody else on earth, might be comfortable with it.

So it doesn't matter what I think. I will live on my lonesome probably under a bridge somewhere. I'm fine with it. That's my choice.

I think there is a line. And it's a line that this audience oar the years, has given healthy respect to. There have been plenty of times where we pushed back, and tried to do things. And not crossed lines of principle.

And I think that's important. And I honestly think both Abbott and DeSantis have done that here. Unless some of these wild claims are true, which we have no evidence of, at this point.

But, you know, I don't think there's any evidence they've done this. But I do think it is something that in a war, which is what it feels like on a day to take basis here. Not a literal war. But as close as you can get politically. It's tempting to go down these roads. We have to make sure that we don't. We have to make sure that we win. And we win in a way that holds up what we believe in. Because if you break that, you haven't won.

GLENN: Right. And when I see that as -- I mean, there's a couple of things, that I think, that I'm looking for.

Will the country humble itself, before it's forced to humble itself?

Because the humbling is coming. It's coming. You know. And if we humble ourselves before it's coming, maybe we turn the tide. You know, maybe -- maybe we are a little bit more kind, to each other, when it does hit.

We have to humble ourselves. And realize, you know, I was talking to Dennis Prager this weekend. He said, he was -- he's fascinated with my alcoholism. And I said, well, that's something weird to be fascinated by.

But he said, you know, how can alcoholics save the country? Because he was referring to me for years as saying, alcoholics will save the country.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: Just think of this as a 12 step program. First thing, the country has to do. Admit we have a problem. And not just the right or the left.

All of us. We have a problem.

This is not working. And we keep sending people in. And going, hey, you can be our savior. You're going to fix it all.

And they betray us for the most part. Exception, Donald Trump. He actually did do what he said he was going to do. But we are powerless over this. Okay?

We have a problem. And we're powerless over it. Now, you turn to a higher power.

And that doesn't mean somebody in Washington. That means somebody that is above all of it. All of it.

Well, that's a place for God. And you surrender to that. That -- that is the essential first step to healing and correcting any problem.

I got a problem. I've tried everything. Everything doesn't work. So I'm clearly not the guy to fix it. I'm pretty powerless on this. I'm taking my hands off the steering wheel. And I'm trusting a higher power. And I'm so broken and beaten down, that I'll do whatever you tell me to do. What do you want me to do, God? What do you want me to do? Because I'll do it.

We have to get there.

After that, it's, hey, make an inventory of all the people that you've hurt. You think we're willing to do that?

No. Because it would immediately go into, yeah. That's right. You are bad. See, I told you, you're bad. You're really wad. And you owe that person money.

No. No.

Can we just look at the things that we've done, and say, these were good? These were bad. These we should do more of, those we should do less of.

If we can get there, that would be even a bigger miracle. Because at the end of the 12, the 12th is, serve.

I'm going to serve my fellow man. I'll help people who have been struggling, just like me. And I'm doing it for politics or money or anything else.

I'm just going to do it, because I know I've been saved. So I want to help serve other people.

That's the -- that's the America that we should be striving towards. But who is talking about surrender?

And, by the way, surrender, another way to look at it again, for alcoholics. I didn't give in and go, you know what, I surrender. I'm powerless over alcohol. So I'm just going to drink some water.

That's not what it means. It means, surrender to a higher power. Because you keep trying to stop it. And you can't stop it.

STU: Yeah. It's not a surrender to a loss. It's a surrender so you can win.

GLENN: So you can win.

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Democrat Party 'BECAME A RELIGION': How Biden LOST her vote

Sasha Stone "devoted [her] entire life" to the Democrat Party. But after voting for President Biden and realizing that he didn't return America to the "normal" she longed for, she has found herself somewhere she never thought she'd be: on the Glenn Beck Program. Stone, the author of the new piece, "How Joe Biden Lost My Vote," describes to Glenn the moment the Democrat Party became a "religion," what she learned from watching Trump rallies, and why she has "never seen anything like" the Left's "dehumanization" of Trump supporters: "I see the cult more on the Left than on the Right."

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GLENN: Sasha Stone is with us now.

Sasha, how are you?

SASHA: Oh, I'm fine. Hi. Is this Glenn? Am I speaking with Glenn Beck? Wow.

GLENN: Probably something you never thought would do.

SASHA: Absolutely never something I thought I would do. But I am familiar with your thoughts and on certain things. I've watched you -- your interviews with different people, over the year.

GLENN: Yeah.

So, Sasha, you were -- you've been a diehard Democrat. Obama, Clinton, and -- and Joe Biden, right? You made videos about Joe Biden, trying to get him elected.

SASHA: Yes. I mean, I want to tell you, I devoted my entire life, unfortunately to this life. Whole years have disappeared from my life.

And as you get older, you really need that time. You need it back, and you can't get it back. So I guess I thought I was on some sort of crusade, spending every single day arguing on Twitter and Facebook and writing blistering pieces for Medium.

And I really did think I was on the right side, and I -- and I felt the same sense of purpose, that I think a lot of people on the left felt after Obama rose to power in 2008.

I think it just -- that's when it became. I know you're interested, in talking about religions and stuff like that. I think that's really the moment that it became a religion.

GLENN: Hmm.

I would agree with you. What -- what was it, that you voted for, with Joe Biden and you think your friends voted for with Joe Biden?

ALEX: Well, for me, it was strategic partly. But also I had an emotional connection to him, somehow. I had over the years. I don't know where it came from.

But I -- I liked him.

He reminded me of my dad. And I thought he was a good guy. But, you know, you have to remember, on our side. We actually -- it's weird that people with so much power and wealth, dominate almost every institution, would feel like they're the ones who are besieged.

You know, that they're the oppressed side. But I think that's definitely what we convinced ourselves, that we were stopping Hitler.

And I believe that Joe Biden was the only one that could do it.

But I did get a lot of heat from my -- my friends who didn't think Biden was the guy.

And I feel sort of somewhat guilty about that. That I didn't see it. I thought, he'll win. That will be fine. And everything will be -- everything will be back to, quote, unquote, normal in America. And what that meant, was rolling back the forward motion of this country, to the Obama administration. To the Obama era. I think that's what everybody was thinking. But what I've learned in the past few years, is you can't go back. You know, you have to keep moving forward. There's no other option, really. You try to hold on to the past, you just will be selling things that people are no longer interested in. But wouldn't that be -- that's what Joe Biden says he's selling. And Barack Obama is part of the plan here. And moving his vision forward. Isn't that what he did?

SASHA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that's the problem. They are so desperately trying to cling to the utopia that we've all built. That they lost site of most Americans. The reality of most Americans. The reality that most Americans have changed. The world has changed. The left has changed. And I don't think they see that. They're just desperate to hold on to the path. And I think they see it as -- and I've started to see it, the fight between Obama's America and Trump's America. Which is a little like the -- the moment that, you know, back in the 60s, when they were switching from JFK, to Nixon. Nixon was sort of like the disrupter.

And then eventually, that moved to Reagan in 1980, and then the whole pendulum shifted to the right.

I think that's where we are right now. We're in that struggle phase of the disrupter that's breaking up the status quo. As the pendulum is starting to swing to the right. But it will be a while before we get there. And it might not get there, if the Democrats hold on to power. They're not going to let that happen.

GLENN: This is -- I'm sure we disagree still on a lot of stuff. You wouldn't consider yourself a conservative? You're just a -- a traditional liberal, I'm guessing?

SASHA: Well, I am in sort of a strange place. I was telling one of my best friends. Because my friends basically no longer speak to me. Most of them don't. Because we don't really have anything to talk about.

GLENN: Yeah.

SASHA: But I kept saying no. And all this time, my policies haven't changed in my mind. The one area where my mind has changed a little bit is abortion. I used to be one of those people, you know.

But I've seen the other side of it. I've seen things from the perspective of the right now. And I understand why this is something they've been fighting for decades, you know. So I do struggle with these things. I find myself of an in between place. I'm not really sure where I would go politically, you know -- I live in California, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

It's such a Deep Blue state, that my vote is meaningless.

You know, so I don't have to -- like, if I lived in Pennsylvania or Arizona, you know, honestly, I'm pretty sure, it would be just voting red.

I voted for the recall. And I voted for Larry Elder for that. So, you know, I'm just one of those independents that is going to take every election. And decide on the spot.

No. I'm not a traditional conservative. The way that you are, for instance.

GLENN: Yeah.

SASHA: You know, I don't have that sort of sense of purpose, I think, that a lot of people on the right have.

GLENN: Yeah. So what was it, that broke the camel's back?

SASHA: Well, I'm not really sure what happened in my brain, that changed the way I followed the world. But I know it happened in 2020. I know it happened once the protests and the riots broke out. And watching the media cover it up. And change the story and the narrative. And then as we headed into the election, I just kept seeing how there was an administrative state, that was taking over the Democratic process. That's how I saw it anyway.

And I was sort of blown away, by that. I had never seen it like that, before. But there was so much money and power, bringing down a duly elected president, that they didn't like.

GLENN: But you didn't like Donald Trump. Or did you is this?

SASHA: Well, that was the hard thing. And the weird thing. Is that when I decided, to -- you know, you -- you talk about this a lot, actually, Glenn.

Which is the dehumanization of whole groups of people, that is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. And I felt, when I was on Twitter, I was part of that.

And it gave me a chill, that I was dehumanizing a whole group of people. And I thought, where does this end? Where does all of this hatred every single go?

You know, they think the right is the side with the hate. But they're not. It's the left.

And so I started -- it's been my way of trying to get to know this world. I began watching Trump rallies. And I watched all -- still to this day, I've seen every single Trump rally. You know, looking for that smoking gun that would say, yes. He's a terrible racist, fascist, selling hate. But I didn't see that with Trump. In fact, it's hard to watch him not like him. Because he's charming and charismatic. And funny.

GLENN: Funny. People that really hate him. And they've missed a really good time. On his rallies. He's funny. He's very funny.

SASHA: He was really funny. And it was more than that. I was in such a dark place. And the only -- nobody believes me on this. But the only moments of joy I had, was watching those rallies. Everybody was happy. Kind of like the people of Whoville, when the Grinch has taken away all their toys. And Christmas trees. And everything. And he's waiting to watch them suffer.

But they don't. They're happy. And I was watching this -- and then I started to look forward to his rallies.

Okay. Let's see this. The music would start. And he would come out, and it was just a love fest. Of people who had hope, that he gave them hope. And I didn't see the cult. You know, I see the cult more on the left, than I do on the right. And people don't know this about Trump. But he makes a lot of jokes at his own expense.

And -- and, you know, when I explain this to people, like the one where he says, the guy -- one of the governors, or something, plucked a hair off his head. And he said, and we went looking for that hair. Because he couldn't refuse to lose one hair. But he's always making jokes at his own expense. Jokes about his vanity. And he's funny.

GLENN: So hang on. But you watched all of these. And yet, you voted and made videos about Joe Biden. Right?

SASHA: No. I mean, I had done all that before. I was on the Biden train. Yeah. In 2019. And as I was heading into the 2019 election. I was talking to my friends. I had two friends that were Trump haters.

They won't even speaking to me about Trump. They call him evil. His supporters must be terminated, and stuff like that. I said, you know what the word exterminate was used for, don't you? In regards to people.

And that did shut them up for a minute. But they really -- they're so full of hate, I've never seen anything like this, in my entire life, honestly.

That kind of dehumanization. So what I kept saying, I'm not so sure about Biden. I don't think he should be president.

And what's the alternative?

Trump was way worse. And I said, I don't know. I'm seeing this sort of bizarre new religion that's overtaking the left. And he's going to usher that into government, and that's really dangerous. And he's old. I mean, not old, as that's a bad thing. But I could say see that he was declining. You know, since I saw him at a luncheon in 2019.

He was already starting to decline mentally. And I had seen my dad go through dementia I can't a year before. And I was recognizing a lot of the same downward patterns that my dad went through. And they just shut me down.

And, honestly, Glenn, to tell you the truth, I do have a business that I run that is a Hollywood business.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

SASHA: No. I'm just saying, I'm flirting with disaster here. If I had voted for Trump, let's say. My career would be -- I wouldn't make another time, ever. If they ever found out, right? So I didn't vote for Trump. Vote for Biden, and I did it for that reason, honestly. And I don't know where I am politically. I have to just do some soul searching to really figure that out. Because I don't really know at the moment.

GLENN: All right. Hang on. How much time do we have with you, Sasha?

SASHA: As much time as you would like.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Yeah, I would like to see if we could get another 20-plus minutes out of you if you don't mind, if you've got that time.
SASHA: No, that's fine.

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GLENN: So, boy. You are in a nasty predicament. You are in California. Your business is tied to Hollywood. God bless you.

SASHA: Uh-huh yep.

GLENN: But you're not shy about things now. You have a great Substack.

SASHA: Thank you.

GLENN: And you wrote an article, how Joe Biden lost my vote.

And it was -- it was heartening to see somebody that had taken their own education, and decided, this might take me places, I don't want to go. But I want to know the truth. Is that how you would describe what you did?

SASHA: Yeah. That's an absolutely brilliant way of describing it. You know, that is where -- that is where my mind has taken me. It's taken me down a lot of rabbit holes over the years. Watergate. The Salem witch hunt trials. World War II. I'm a fanatic for that.

And, you know, when I find that something doesn't seem quite right. You know, I have to sort of investigate it. And I feel like, that the truth matters to me. This is what I've found now in my life. Is that that matters more than just about everything, except for my daughter probably. Maybe my dogs. But it matters, you know, that we see the truth. That we can speak the truth. That I can speak the truth. I grew up in a country. You know, the left was always the counterculture. So we were encouraged to speak the truth, always.

And now I'm being asked to modify my version. You know, to believe a lie. A lot of lies about people.

And I feel like, the only thing that really matters to me right now, is giving some relief to the other half of the country. To the people who are being treated so terribly.

On almost every level. You know, once I started to get to know this world. I began watching documentaries. And the Oscar race. Because that's what I read about, the Oscars. And I just noticed, how they reflected only one point of view. And how limiting that was for them. They can't tell the story of the working man, anymore. Like they used to be able to. Because the working man is most likely going to be a Trump supporter.

GLENN: And you never saw that, when you were in the bubble.

SASHA: No. And that was the weird thing. Is when I realized I was in a bubble. I kept trying to tell people, I can't talk to you, I'm in the bubble. They thought I was a lunatic. They thought I lost my mind.

I sounded crazy to them. And, you know, I've thought about it a lot. I've been online for 28 years. I was an early adopter. Got online in 1994. Built a website in 1999. So I know the internet well.

And I have to conclude, that a lot of this has to do with how we migrated on to social media. And become -- you know, in our own little eco systems. Where, you know, on Twitter, they only get news that they want to hear. So it distorts their thinking.

That's why I had to cut off the news completely. Because even if I watch one news story on the left. They can completely persuade me, to think about something a different way. But it's one thing if you're getting that in a different way. And deciding for yourself. And it's another thing when you're only watching the one version. And I just found that honestly, the more critical thinkers. The more intelligent thinkers. Oh, this is so terrible to say. But they're on the right now. They're not on the left anymore. The left has become a movement that they believe they have all the answers now. And the answers are found in ranking people by race and gender, not by class or economics. And --

GLENN: Or by character.

SASHA: Or by character, right! Even though, if you go into the Trump world, you will see it's incredibly diversity. It's not just white people. And that's the next piece I'm about to right. Is about that. Because I think it's such a crazy thing to watch them stereotype and characterize people, that doesn't align with reality.

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