GLENN: So -- so -- but if Donald Trump said, the full force and might of the United States and it's going to be shock and awe, I think people around the world will look at that differently. You know, I think people around the world would go, he -- he might launch nukes. And that is something, that, you know, when your back is against the wall, you don't ever want to bluff. But you -- you want people to question whether or not you will do it. You want to have enough credibility to say, I'm -- I'm going in this direction. And people to believe you.
Now, the one thing that you need to -- to do crazy things in today's world is to be a little bit crazy or to be known as a little bit crazy.
STU: Yeah, deterrents only work when you believe the other side might do it. To quote the great documentary, Spies Like Us, a weapon unused is a useless weapon. And it's like, if you don't ever get to the point where you think the other side will ever pull the trigger on it -- I mean, look at the red line stuff with Syria. You know, the reason why Obama was so ineffective on foreign policy, is nobody believed he would ever do anything, other than an occasional drone strike or something like that. Nobody believed it.
And, you know, they believed Reagan. They believed Trump, I think.
GLENN: I think they believed Trump more than Reagan.
STU: I think they fear the outer bounds of what's possible with Trump. Right?
Where, with Reagan, I think they believed nuclear war. I think they believed he used it as a deterrent. But they did believe he would use it as a deterrent.
GLENN: Here's the difference, I think, I think, and I could be wrong. I think the world looked at Ronald Reagan -- some, the left, looked at him as a crazy man. But the right looked at him as a righteous warrior, you know what I mean? Somebody who said, communism is evil, and it's going to be destroyed.
And so they knew -- they knew what he believed and the correspond of his being.
STU: Ideological fuel.
GLENN: Correct. And there was that fuel that would not ever go out. And he would not allow it to be extinguished. And if he was pushed into a corner, that was what was going to drive him. I think the world looks at Donald Trump as pro-American.
GLENN: But just nuts enough to be able to do it.
Unlike Ronald Reagan, it was an ideological thing. It's not an ideological thing with Donald Trump. He believes in America. And he wants America to be great and to win. But it's not -- this is clearly evil. This is clearly good. He's just, that is what I want. And that's what I'm going to take.
And so you don't know what -- you don't really know what's driving him. Does that make sense to you? Do you think that's accurate or not?
STU: I think that's how the world sees it. And I think they see it too as -- you know, they definitely play to his ego a lot. And I think that's a standard thing the media does. For example, the New York Times goes in there and compliments him 500 times and gets all these quotes out of him when they have all these interviews. You know, they -- that is something we've seen from world leaders, consistently. They've consistently tried to frame Trump in winning these battles because they think that will lead to better treatment from -- from the administration.
I think that's largely been probably proven true.
But still, that's what I think he wants.
GLENN: Yeah. And I will tell you, I think this is what the average person wants.
STU: Yeah, yeah. I think that's true.
GLENN: The average American, I should say.
STU: No, South Korean, not so much on that.
GLENN: If you watched last night, if you saw Roseanne --
GLENN: Now, I don't know how a woman who actually called for the I think the beheading or hanging -- seriously called for the hanging of all of the bankers. A devout communist. I don't know how she's allowed to be on TV again. But she took on her Roseanne character last night. And I think she actually spoke to the American people, both left and right, and vocalized -- can we play the clip, Sara, where she's talking to her sister and she says, look, he talked about jobs. And that was really important.
STU: Yeah. That's Roseanne on why she voted for Trump.
VOICE: How could you have voted for him, Roseanne?
VOICE: He talked about jobs, Jackie. He said he would shake things up. I mean, this might come as a complete shock to you, but we almost lost our house, the way things are going.
VOICE: Have you looked at the news? Because now things are worse.
VOICE: Not on the real news.
VOICE: Oh, please. You just can't stand for anybody to have their own opinions about anything. Can you?
So you tell them how stupid they are all the time, and you get them to question what they believe in their heart is the right thing to do, until they make some enormous mistake that tears America apart and brings the world to the brink of nuclear apocalypse.
VOICE: So I'm guessing this isn't about Becky's eggs anymore?
VOICE: You kept saying what a disaster it would be if she got elected and how I wasn't seeing the big picture and how everything was rigged. And then I go into the booth, and I voted for Jill Stein!
VOICE: Who is Jill Stein?
VOICE: Some doctor. You did such a good job of making me doubt myself and feel so stupid, that I choked. Which helped get him elected.
VOICE: Well, the important thing is that you voted.
GLENN: It is -- this is an amazing thing. Here's an avowed socialist, really almost communist, who is -- is in real life, pro Donald Trump. It's a weird bed fellow. But she is speaking the words that the media doesn't understand.
When she was sitting at that table in that kitchen of the Conners that we've all grown up seeing. When she was sitting at that table and she said, you know, we almost lost our house, that was one of the most important lines I think of the entire show. Because a lot of people listened to this and they were watching last night and they thought, damn right. They don't understand how close to the edge we really are.