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RADIOMarch 27, 2023

EXPLAINED: How the Fed’s FedNow program WILL end in a CBDC

The Federal Reserve’s new service for banks, called FedNow, promises increased flexibility, faster transactions, and instant payments with one, small cost: The potential END to your financial freedom. In this clip, Glenn is joined by Justin Haskins, co-author of their new book, ‘Dark Future.’ Haskins explains how — despite what the Federal Reserve may say — this new service is NOT an alternative to a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC)…rather, it’s a giant stepping stone toward it. Watch Glenn tackle this topic further in his upcoming Glenn TV Wednesday Night Special, airing on YouTube and BlazeTV.com on March 29th.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Justin Haskins is with us. Justin is the -- he's with the socialism research center, at the Heartland Institute, where he is the director. He has been working tirelessly on stopping socialism.

He is also -- he was one of our main contributors to our Arguing With Socialists book.

He is also my coauthor of the book, The Great Reset. And our fourth coming book. We're all going to die.

I'm not sure exactly -- what did we name it, Justin?

That was my working title for quite some time.

JUSTIN: Are we telling people? Is this the first time?

GLENN: I don't know. Can we?

Check Amazon, see if it's up for sale.
If it's up for sale, we'll announce it. It's supposed to be in the next few days.

JUSTIN: The name of the book.

GLENN: Don't say it. Don't say it.

So, Justin, you wrote to me something kind of disturbing.

Last hour, I played these happy little commercials from the Federal Reserve about the Fed Now.

It's a new service for all of the banks, which will -- which will make the transfer of funds, you know, whether you're out shopping or you're a business owner, or you're doing bank-to-bank transactions.

You just run everything through the Federal Reserve, and it will happen fast. And I thought --

JUSTIN: Yeah. Isn't that exciting?

GLENN: Very exciting. Now, they're claiming that this is the alternative to a CBDC, which is a Central Bank Digital Currency.

It doesn't really sound so much like an alternative, as much as, I don't know, a system to run that on.

JUSTIN: Yeah. Basically, this is -- this is like Jason Buttrill, your head researcher. Because he and I are now best friends. We exchange emails all the time.

He came up with this great analogy.

This is like the drug dealer, who is new on the block. And he will not just start injecting people with heroin. That's not how you sell lots of drugs. That's not how you do it.

First, you get them hooked.

You just give them a little taste. And then after they get a little taste, now they're hooked. Then you can start really pushing the hard stuff. That's what this is all about.

The Federal Reserve is basically a drug pusher. Okay?

And this is the start of it.

Normally, regular folks like you and me, and people in the audience, we don't interact with the fed. We're not used to that.

We don't like the fed.

We don't trust them very much. And so what they want to say is, just have a little taste. You'll see. It will be great.

Just have a little taste. This is a steppingstone to a CBDC.

This is our first interaction to using the fed directly.

So that we can become more comfortable with it. So it's normalized. And then after this, you'll get a central bank digital currency.

We already know this, because there's a billion government reports talking about how they'll design it, what it will look like.

Why people should use it.

What the principles should be, behind it. All of that kind of stuff.

So we know a CBDC is coming. This is just the first step in that process, to try to normalize people interacting directly with the fed in this sort of high-tech instant transfer payment portal.

GLENN: So we've been talking about the uniform commercial code, which is complicated. And it's -- it's usually nothing anyone should ever have to think about. However, they have included central bank digital currency as the new definition of money.

But money makes us think of money, that you can take from the bank. That you own it. You get paid. You get to do what you want with it.

But central bank digital currency, is not really money. Correct?

JUSTIN: Yeah. What's happening in more than 20 states across the country right now, and it's going to happen in all 50 states eventually. Is lawmakers are looking at updating the Uniform Commercial Code so that a foundation is being laid for a future central bank digital currency.

And not just any kind of central bank digital currency, but a central bank digital currency that is programmable, trackable. That you won't have any privacy with the things that you're doing with the CBDC, that it can be controlled and manipulated. This kind of thing is being manipulated into the code. They don't use the world central bank digital currency. But they outline it, in such a way so that that has to be what they're talking about. So it's not creating the CBDC. That's not what this is aiming to do. It's just laying the foundation to make it easier to use it in certain kinds of commercial transactions.

GLENN: So people know, and this is what you really have to understand. This is not like Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is such a danger, because you get to do with it, what you want to do with it.

And the Federal Reserve is not aware of anything, and can't do anything.

You have the ultimate power with your money. The opposite is true with the fed coin, that they will be introducing. And this is what makes it so dangerous. Not just the tracking.

They're not -- they will not just know absolutely everything that you spend. But Justin said a key word that most people don't really understand. It's programmable. Meaning, it is programmable for the individual. So, in other words, if the government decides that they're going to -- you know, we need to get -- we need to cut down on fat, fat, fatties. Then my digital coin, will not allow me to buy fatty foods. I wouldn't be able to go to McDonald's. I'm using this as an example. There's not anything in the works to do this.

Except, this is what programmable means. They can program it, so if they say, you know what, nobody is going to work. You're not an essential employee.

Your coin will not buy gas.

So you can go to -- try to fill up. But when you put your digital card in the fed, it will say denied. And you won't have any way, other than that card, to be able to buy what you need. It's absolute control of your life.

JUSTIN: Yes. That is exactly right.

And there actually have been things. Statements that have been made by the Biden administration itself. Where it is said, as part of its reports, studying CBDCs and the benefits of it. And how it would be designed.

If they were to make a CBDC, even though they've haven't committed to doing that exactly. They have done all of the groundwork for it.

They've said flatout, that a CBDC needs to account for climate change. It needs to have financial inclusion built into it.

It needs to have equity built into it.

It needs to have concerns about pollution, built into it. They have worked with hundreds of stakeholders. And we all know what that means. Nonprofit groups. And labor organizations and others.

GLENN: Community activists.

JUSTIN: To help design the CBDC. So why are they doing all of that? Because it is going to be programmed, so that you can use it in certain ways, so that it can be prohibited in other ways.

And it can change on a dime. See, that's the other important thing.

It's not -- when it's programmable, they can change the rules whenever they want. It's not as though, they set the rules at the beginning, and that's the rules forever.

They can change the rules as they go. That's the threat of a programmable currency. So it's a huge threat to liberty.

GLENN: And all they will concentrate on is the one fact, and mark my words, this is the way it's going to happen.

We'll have a banking collapse.

Because there's a banking collapse, that will cause the dollar to skyrocket in inflation, possibly hyperinflation. Because you won't be able to have a supply chain anymore.

So many people will be unemployed. There's so much money awash, that if you want to buy something, well, you have 100 bucks?

Yeah. I'll buy that for $100. And it might be something that was worth $4 before the collapse.

And people will pay it. Hyperinflation will go crazy.

The fed will say, look, we have to stop it. Inflation is too much.

We will give you digital currency. It's already in a bank with your name.

All you have to do is sign in, and it will give you the money. And that is what will change inflation.

How do we know about that? Because we wrote about it, in a arguing -- I believe it was in Arguing with Socialists. A chapter we almost didn't put in about Modern Monetary theory. And Modern Monetary theory, is what we're operating on.

We can spend as much money as we want, don't worry about inflation. If they have digital control of everyone's spending.

JUSTIN: Right. Exactly right. We talked about it both in Arguing with Socialists and The Great Reset.

It's a huge part of both socialist plans and Great Reset's elites plans. And those are not necessarily the same group. But there's no doubt about it, that that's the goal.

So why are there 20-some-odd states in the United States right now? Many of them are red states. Texas, Kentucky, Arizona, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Missouri, Montana, Arkansas, et cetera.

Why are they all doing whatever they possibly can, on the UCC code, updating it to make it at least a little bit easier for a CBDC to be utilized in the future. When a CBDC doesn't even exist yet.

Why would they be doing that? That is a really, really important question. But it's much worse than everything we've said so far.

And that's -- having worked with these lawmakers across the country. We have started to discover things in the UCC.

In the commercial code, that are incredibly, incredibly disturbing. Things that most of us just didn't realize were true. And if CBDC's happen, we're in for a world of hurt, that we didn't see coming.

And the reason for that, is under commercial code. When you take money, like if you have cash right now, under the current code. And you go to the bank, and you put money into the bank.

That money is no longer your money. That money is actually now owned by the bank.

GLENN: Hang on just a second.

This is why you -- and this changed. Part of this changed in 2008. You are the lender of last resort, right?

You are the last person in line, to get money, if you have deposited into the bank. Because the bank, when you give them that money, and deposit it. They are then taking that money.

They don't have to ask for permission to loan it out.

They take that money as theirs. And they loan it out.

So what happens to your money?

Well, you don't have money. You -- what you have is a number in the bank, that the bank can now give back to you, or if they go belly-up? Well, then, you lose your money because it wasn't yours anyway. Correct?

JUSTIN: Yes. It's not your money. It's owned by the bank now.

Now, you can go to the bank and say, I want my money back. And then they hand you the money in cash, and you can walk out the door. And that money is yours.

You own that money. But here's the thing about a central bank digital currency: And this is what we're beginning to learn.

How the commercial code deals with that. When you -- you can't put Central Bank Digital Dollars, okay? Digital fed coin. You can't put that in your pocket, and walk out the door. Can you?

It has to be somewhere. It can't be in your actual possession. And because of that --

GLENN: Well, wait. Bitcoin, you can put on a thumb drive. And so you can walk away with it. But digital currency, central bank, no.

JUSTIN: Yes. Correct. They're not going to design it so you can put it into a hard drive or something like that.

But even if -- even if they did, the uniform -- that's why they're updating the uniform commercial code the way they are.

They're putting rules into place, so that you could use a CBDC, even if it is possible to download it on to a hard drive or something like that.

But the layers behind the uniform commercial code, acknowledge in their various meetings and comments and other things, that it's highly unlikely that a CBDC would ever be designed in that way.

It's not -- you will have to put it into some kind of account. So what does that mean?

What it means in effect is that all of the money. All of the CBDC money that exists in society. Will be owned by whoever owns the account.

Which means the fed, or the bank. Or whoever is designated by the Federal Reserve Bank to operate that system.

But you, the individual person, will not own the money.

The money will belong to someone else. It will not belong to you. You will not own it. Under the commercial code, as it is written right now.

Forget about what they're advising it to. Under right now, you would not own any money.

It would all belong to someone else. So forget about whether it's programmable from a design perspective. In practice, it will not be your money anyway.

And so how can you not think of that famous article for the World Economic Forum, we've talked about a thousand times.

In the future, you will own nothing.

And you will have no privacy. Well, it seems like that's what the purpose of this is. So it is not enough to simply kill the UCC bill updates that we're talking about all across the country. That is essential. But we need to do more than that. We need to rewrite that code so that CBDCs cannot be used in a variety of other contexts as well.

GLENN: All right. Stand by. Stand by.

I think that we have to -- we have to really, truly get down to a basic line here, that you have to do in your own state.

And I'm not sure. And I want to talk to Justin. That the UCC code is enough.

And we'll talk about it here, in just 60 seconds.

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GLENN: All right. Justin, we have -- we have been talking about the UCC code. And we've been telling people not to allow it to pass. Now you've been working with legislatures, all over the country. And these legislators are telling you, no. There's much more to the code. We have to change it.

Would it be better just to go for states passing law, that CBDCs can't be used for commerce?

JUSTIN: So it's a really complicated question because there are all sorts of issues related to the Constitution and who has the authority to regulate money.

And whether or not a state can even pass a law, that outright rejects the use of -- of an established form of money, at the federal level.

Because it's a federal responsibility, to coin money.

Of course, there are people who say, well, yeah. But coining money means physical money, not digital money.

And so maybe they are allowed to do it. And so I think there are a lot of open questions about that, that we don't necessarily know.

I think that the most effective thing that legislators can do.

And legislators actually do not know a lot of the things I've told you today. I've gotten that from a lot of UCC lawyers, actually.

But what they need to do. They need to focus first, in my opinion.

I think Americans would be much better off, if lawmakers killed the UCC bills. Okay?

If they killed the UCC bills to update them right now, they would be much better off.

But then they also need to update the UCC and all other state laws that they can possibly find, in ways, that would make it so that a central bank digital currency, is undermined in the state, in financial transactions.

For example, can you use a CBDC? A programmable digital currency, when you're using -- for collateral and a loan, let's say.

Okay?

State laws dictate some of that, and they can undermine that.

They can do things like that, to undermine the use of a CBDC, and I think that's what they have to do.

The 1 REASON why the Russia & Ukraine War hasn’t become WW3

Is Vladimir Putin’s restraint the ONLY reason why the Russia & Ukraine War hasn’t yet evolved into World War 3? Because if the situation was different — as Glenn plays out in this clip — there’s a high probability the United States would currently be fighting a world war. So, with such high chances of escalation, why are yesterday’s anti-war Democrats suddenly fully on board? Glenn explains it all in this clip, adding that though Russia’s invasion was ‘abhorrent,’ it’s clear many in Washington are choosing to take advantage of the situation rather than make the right decisions for the U.S.’ overall safety and security…

Glenn ranks Pride Month's WORST & WOKEST LGBTQ commercials

It’s officially June, which means you’re about to see Pride flags plastered all over the windows, merchandise, and social media pages of nearly every corporation throughout America. Why? So they can receive a high ESG score, of course! So, to celebrate Pride Month, Glenn ranks some of YOUR favorite companies’ worst and wokest LGBTQ commercials. From the North Face and Ford, to Bud Light and Converse, these are ads like you've never seen before... To see Glenn rank all top 10, watch the most recent Glenn TV Friday Exclusive (titled ‘Pride Propaganda’) which is available now on BlazeTV.com.

4 stories that show your ESG score resistance IS WORKING!

Glenn has been warning about ESG for a while now, urging us all to take a stand against it. It’s a credit-style system placed onto corporations, ranking them based on environmental, social, and governance scores. Those scores can then affect the company's loans, financial stability, or banking relationships. And soon, ESG may be ranking YOU, too. But, thankfully, Americans have been taking a stand. And that stand seems to be working. In this clip, Glenn details four recent stories that show ESG may be on the decline…

Transcript

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GLENN: Good news on the ESG front.

Insurance company, lords of London, has announced its exit from a net zero alliance. For insurers.

This is the sixth insurance company in the last couple of weeks.

The Net Zero Alliance convened by the United Nations, seeks to commit group members composed of the world's leading insurers, and reinsurers, to fight climate change.

As part of this, members have to transition their insurance and reinsurance, under portfolios to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

On Friday, Lloyds of London quit the Net Zero Association, took the total members who have quit. I'm sorry. Not last couple of weeks. One week.

Last week alone, to six, which represents a fifth of the total 30 members. Since March, the total of ten members, have walked.

STU: Yeah. Yeah. Good.

GLENN: This is really, really good.

How about this one?

Germans are questioning. Remember, you American. You right-wing American. Hate-mongering. Mao information delivering conspiracy theorist.

We're not banning gas. We're not thinking about banning gas stoves or gas heaters.

We're not doing it. Except we are.

The Germans, such right-wing conspiracy theorists. Germans are banning gas and oil boilers.

And replace them with electric heat pumps.

Germany wants to become net zero by 2045. To this and the government recently announced, it will ban gas boilers, effectively forcing people to switch to heat pumps.

Because our electricity will be much better for the planet.

Yeah. Because we won't be making any.

The cost of the ban is estimated at over 9 billion euros.

Or $10 billion.

And that's annually, annually, until 2028.

So they're upset go. They're starting to March in the streets as well. How about this one? This is the first time. This is the first time. This is how you know climate change is complete bullcrap. Okay?

Because insurance companies are still writing 30-year insurance policies for Miami. Well, I thought it was going to be underwater.

STU: Yeah, there's a lot of construction in Miami. I don't know if you have been there recently.

GLENN: How do you get the insurance companies to do it? They're writing it? It's all going to be destroyed by water. How does anybody afford insurance on an island or a coast or a Malibu?

Okay. They can do it because global warming is bullcrap.

Now, State Farm general insurance has now stopped accepting all new application for business and personal lines of property and casualty insurance today for California.

Now, see. See. You can't get insurance.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because -- now, they say, due to historic increases in construction, costs. Outpacing inflation.

Rapidly growing catastrophe exposure, and challenging reinsurance market, the change does not affect existing home insurance.

If you already have that. Just new. State Farm is one of California's biggest insurers. The biggest home insurer by premium volume.

They say, global warming. But what they're citing is wildfires. Mudslides.

STU: All from global warming.

GLENN: Yeah. All of it, from global warming.

So here's what's going to happen: State Farm pulls out and says, we're not going to insure anything anymore.

What happens?

The government will step in and say, well, we have to have insurance.

And so the United States government will step in, to insure all those houses that really shouldn't be there, California.

I mean, if you're worried about wildfires and mudslides. And the coastline. You should just pack up all those houses and go away.

You should go is someplace, like Puerto Rico.

No. I like Puerto Rico.

You should go someplace. Well, maybe you'll be happy in Canada. I usually like Canada.

But it's gone away. You'll be happy there. They're already putting people to sleep. No pills for grandma. Let's kill her. You will love Canada.

Now, let me take a one-minute break.

And come back, and tell you about Target.

Oh, I feel -- I feel so bad about what's happening to Target. Yeah. Their losses are starting to pile up.

People don't seem to be slowing down on this.

And you'll never guess who is involved in making sure that they're ESG compliant.

Yeah. You know what, it's almost the same group of people, that wanted those crazy, you know, transgender nuns.

At the baseball game. Maybe they were canceled. And they were like, whoa. Whoa. We didn't realize, our conscience.

We couldn't sleep at night, doing that. This wasn't because of pressure at all.

We want those lesbian trans nuns right here for baseball.

Because baseball apple pie, and transgenderism.

That's what we've always said.

Yeah, is it? Or was there a wee bit of pressure?

You don't know, that's not what God sounds like. Do you? Do you?

STU: I guess technically no.

GLENN: Might have been a big Pall Mall smoker in the day. You know what I mean?

Whoa, the '50s came around. I got kind of lost in that Camel cigarette thing.

Anyway, so there were bomb threats, apparently at Target. But there weren't bomb threats at Target. So everybody was freaking out. They -- this is what happens when you target LGBTQ people.

Except, it appears, it is from LGBTQ people.

But we found out, that they are not violent.

The extremist right is. But they didn't send it either.

It appears as though, this was Russian disinformation.

What?

Yes! We've tracked it down. The Russians are trying to make us hate each other.

You think so? You think so? Now, the only problem is, I have absolutely no trust in the FBI. FBI came out, we tracked you town. It was the Russians.

Was it? Weren't you guys tracking the Russians with Donald Trump?

Yeah. But that was -- that was different. You really did do that with a prostitute at a hotel.

Oh, did he? So here's some good news. Target has lost about $10 billion. Stock keeps going down. People are leaving. Now, we just found out, that they are big with educational people, special interest groups.

Not necessarily. Not necessarily associated with the teacher's unions.

But they are with GLSEN. G-L-S-E-N, which is a bunch of other people.

That a lot of them are in the LGBTQI+. Don't know what the S is. But anyway, it's a great network.

And they have been working with the schools, to make sure that teachers keep all of the information about your children, transitioning, there in the school.

No. No, we're not going to tell any parents. The great thing is, if you didn't think Target was a problem before, I just want you to know, that they donated at least $2.1 million to GLSEN. So they could, you know, teach the districts and the students how to hide their transgenderism, and their transitions from their parents.

And I think that is, yeah!

Yeah. So if you just wanted a little extra, you know, understanding of why maybe you shouldn't be pushing what I believe are the greatest shopping carts in America.

Why you should not be pushing those shopping carts. Uh-huh.

How about that one? I mean, you know, unless you don't have a problem with Target helping people in school, keep information about your children from you.

Pride Month may be used to INVESTIGATE churches in America?

Beware of POLITICAL WARFARE used by the far-left during this year’s Pride Month, warns James Lindsay, Founder and President of New Discourses. In this clip, Lindsay outlines two, possible ways the LGBTQ movement — especially in June — may be used as a method to target Christians in America…possibly even resulting in government investigations of churches throughout the nation. It’s all about labeling conservatives as dangerous 'Christian nationalists,' he explains, and Pride Month may give the left the perfect opportunity to do so. He explains it all in this clip…

Transcript

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GLENN: So James Lindsey is with us. And he's hacking everybody off online.

Because I'm not sure what he is trying to warn against.

Welcome to the program, James.

JAMES: Hey, Glenn. Always good to talk to you.

GLENN: Good to talk you to.

He's the author of, by the way, of the Marxification of Education and New Discourses, founder and president.

He says, political warfare is coming, during Pride Month.

And I fear your -- your right, and I also fear that you're right about the warning to Christians.

So James, where do you want to start?

JAMES: I think maybe we'll start kind of big picture. I think we will see what political warfare is, first of all. Is when I use, basically intelligence kind of tactics against a population, to get them to act and behave in certain ways.

That you can then take advantage of for political purposes, to drive an agenda. To get the DOJ to crack down on it, whatever.

So now we know what that is. I think we will teach him tact, through Pride. Using LGBTQ, as they call it, issues as the wedge.

One of those will be to get our corporations that skew as American brands.

Ford. Target. Bud Light. You know, Americana brands to take this up, full blast.

So the conservatives will turn around. And boycott, and Target these corporations, as we should.

And almost as we must.

So we cut off ourselves, at our own knees. And Marxists will like nothing better.

Secondly, they will attack religious icons. They will go after children. We have seen this with the sisters of perpetual indulgence, or whatever they call themselves in Los Angeles.

Going after very religious offensive behaviors. And the goal will be to -- they know that conservatives, and particularly a lot of conservative Christians are getting angry.

That they're if we go to desperate.

It's almost like they've woke up a dragon. And they will feed the dragon. And get them to do something stupid, that will then get turned around and used against them.

Whether it's investigate churches. Shut down churches. Come down on conservative Christianity. Just from a political perspective.

So that they're the domestic terrorist hotbeds of the country.

And then come around, in a few months. And offer some new fake state approved Christian churches. That will fill in, the space that gets left by bulldozing what exists now.

GLENN: So you really think it will go -- I mean, I don't know why I am surprised at this.

But, I mean, that is a huge statement to make. That they will shut down our churches?

THOMAS: Well, you know, the federal government can only do so much with that.

But they can start doing investigations.

They can start digging in. I wouldn't be surprised at all, if there's a large Christian reaction that's not strategic, that's not thoughtful. I'm asking nobody, by the way, to sit on their hands and knees. That this is a common conception. What I'm saying.

But if it's not strategic, if we're not thinking intelligently about how we approach this, there are already large dossiers, written for the federal government. Saying that the cause of January 6th. Which, of course, is their favorite thing to go to.

Was, in fact, not even MAGA or Trump. Believe it -- how crazy is it, that they say it's something other than Trump?

It's Christian nationalism. Which is a rising domestic terror threat.

So if they can use some excuse to label churches, as breeding grounds for domestic terrorism. You can bet the Department of Homeland Security.

The Department of Justice. And maybe the IRS will be cracking down and spying on churches.

You can bet they'll try to push something like a second Patriot Act, that allows them to spy on churches. And do whatever else they have to do. In order to try to limit that alleged threat of domestic terrorism.

This is well-linked already in the federal government. This isn't just some media narrative. Although, that's happening too. To give it legs in the population.

This is something that they will get the public to demand. That they will say, white supremacy, tied to Christian nationalism. White Christian nationalism is the biggest threat. It's a very serious concern.

And they will use the unbelievable provocations, that they will put forth in the next month or two, for pride. To trigger Christians, into giving them the reaction they need. To justify the political moves. Against both Christians and conservatives. But also all Americans.

GLENN: So in one survey, conducted between 2007 and 2017.

52 percent, is this the claim, support some form of Christian nationalism.

Later study, Brookings Institute. Public religion research institute.

Says, only 29 percent of Americans fall somewhere around the Christian nationalist spectrum. Over half Republicans reportedly show some degree of support.

With 21 percent counting as adherents. And 33 percent as sympathizers. What exactly is a Christian nationalist.

JAMES: You know, Glenn, I wish I could tell you.

It's a very wide spectrum of beliefs. Things that are innocuous. We will have a broad cultural revival. And bring Christian values back to the public square. Meaning the level of individuals coming back to God. Coming back to the church.

Getting their Christian principles right. And living them, all the way to the other side. Where we're talking about. In say, the book that is titled, the case for Christian nationalism by Steven Wolf.

A Christian prince in the land, as the highest official, not just in the United States. But in the world.

And so this Christian prince is, of course, a Protestant recreation of the pope. And this person, is supposed to become the ultimate civil magistrate, right out of kind of old philosophy. I know we talk old philosophy sometimes, Glenn. Right out of Hegel's philosophy. Where we will have this new kind of brilliant magistrate leader. Who will have the correct ideals and principles.

And lead the country. So it's a huge spectrum of that. Anything in between.

And they're playing in a sense, both sides against the middle.

By putting out a wide spectrum of different views. So if one is unpalatable, and one too soft. They can point to the others. And bounce around the definitions.

And get people, especially Christians, to dip into their values. And say, well, you know what, I'm a Christian, and I believe in this country. So I actually align with something in this.

And I'll use the label. Which like I said, I believe is actually a gigantic federal government trap, being set for Christians, to step right into and lose their liberties.

GLENN: So let me just give you some headlines.

Politico. Most Republicans support declaring the United States, a Christian nation.

This is the Washington Post. Americans are growing more accepting of Christian nationalism.

NPR. More than half of Republicans, support Christian nationalism.

Well, I will tell you, that they will put me, and my collection of historic items, into Christian nationalism.

Because I do believe the Founding Fathers, founded this.

With -- through their help. Or through their belief. And the help of God.

And we are a Judeo Christian nation.

That's where we get most of our laws. And the ideas. They came from the pulpit.

That doesn't mean we hate other religions. Or anything else.

It just means, that's the truth of our -- of our founding.

So that makes me a Christian nationalist, I'm sure. According to them.

Right?

JAMES: Absolutely, Glenn. Absolutely. You know how the left works.

They work through insinuation, association, and fallacious claims.

So that they can take the softest possible expression. Something like what you just gave, that might convince somebody as Christian nationals.

And then tie it to the most extreme behaviors. This is exactly what the dossier, that was presented to the House, unselected.

As we might put President Trump on it. House Unselect Committee about January 6th.

It's a 56-page document. Written by a layer, named Andrew Seidel.

And he goes as far on the one hand, as giving very extreme examples.

And tying it to neoconfederacy, and people carrying Confederate flags to the Capitol. And on the other hand, he says, here's proof of Christian Nationals. It will be widespread. And it might be as something as innocuous as quoting someone giving a prayer.

That something like Lord God, bless this nation. In Jesus' name we pray.

Now all of a sudden, because you're saying, bless this nation. That counts.

So your collection, certainly.

Your views, certainly, are going to get roped into this.

In fact, what you'll find, is most of the conservative side of the aisle, will get roped into this.

I, according to my Wikipedia, I'm not even a Christian. I work with a Christian nationalist.

So I'm Christian nationalist adjacent.

But it turns out that the guy that I work with. His name is Michael Fallon. You know him.

Is not even a Christian nationalist. And is on the front line fighting against this movement and this trap with me. So the facts, will not matter to the left, is what I'm saying. They will rope people in. They'll use insinuation. Association. To rope people in. And to discredit them.

To make them the new deplorables. The new, whatever it can't be listened to. And to justify a large public scare campaign.

To get Democrats. To pressure democratic politicians to push a second Patriot Act. Investigate churches. To demand a mandate to figure out where this domestic extremism is allegedly coming from outside our churches.

GLENN: So here is something from the Joint Committee report on January 6th. That white Christian nationalists were more likely to eschew safety measures and prioritize the economy and liberty, over the vulnerable.

They're also more likely to hold anti-vaccine attitudes, oppose any federal gun control restrictions. Due to the belief, that the Second Amendment, was divinely inspired.

They're more likely to fear immigrants. And endorse anti-immigrant policies, and they oppose same-sex marriage. And transgender rights.

Holy cow.

JAMES: I'm telling you, Glenn. This is what Mao Zedong did in China. Not specifically with Christians. Although, that's relevant too.

What he did very successfully, he wrapped up this campaign, he called unity criticism. Unity. He said, we'll have unity on a new basis in China.

And he criticized viciously. Unfairly. Just like you just read. Anybody who might be able to be painted. Not even somebody who is.

But somebody who can be painted as an impediment as a new unity under it.

Then everybody that is still allowed to have a voice, a vote, et cetera, when everybody agrees. Everybody who counts, agrees. Now they'll have unity under a new basis. We see this with a push for belonging.

You see this with the pushes for inclusivity. You see this right here, with what you just said. Every bad thing that you can think of, gets tied to this label of Christian nationalism. And sadly, if they turn to some of these harder core guys, that are both talking online. And they're writing books. And they're -- it's ample evidence of people saying that they want to overturn the Constitution. They want to undo the 14th Amendment. They don't believe in the equal-protection clause. They want to get rid of the 19th amendment. They want to get rid of free speech entirely, and forced belief. They have ample evidence. This is Steven Wolf who wrote this book. Has a podcast out there, that I have seen multiple times. Because people send it to me frequently. Where he says, atheism will be stamped out in America.

What about Judaism? What about Mormonism? What about Buddhism?

GLENN: Correct. See, that is not American.

That's the deal. Christian nationalism. If that describes him, then he's neither Christian, nor American.

Because both of those go against Christianity, and the American justice for all. Freedom for all. All men are created equal.

You can follow the -- the dictate of your conscience.

Those things, they're in direct opposition to what -- what most people, who would be labeled a Christian nationalist would agree with.

I don't agree with anything that he just said.

JAMES: Right. And like I just said, is this probably a minority of the people that are a part of the movement. But the left doesn't need most people to believe the crazy stuff.

They need one person. That's it.

They have plenty now.

And it's not even, by the way, this isn't American. If I might be so bold. It's not even Christian.

The idea, if I understand Christianity correctly.

Is that Jesus came. Jesus offered his message. It's about, you come to me, if you choose, on your own volition.

This isn't about go out, force people to convert, or stamp out this or that belief, or whatever else.

And what's happening is, people are justifiably, and rightly frustrated.

They are demoralized. They are afraid for their country, and they are starting to get desperate.

They are saying, it's too late. The Constitution is already dead. The law is already captured. We don't have any other options.

And I'm not --

GLENN: You're not a Christian. Because everything, but God. Everything, but God.

Have faith. Raising someone from the dead, a little more difficult, than bringing America back to its sane place.

Not even its world standing.

Just where sanity and reason are once again followed.

That's not a big magic trick for God to do.

Raising dead. That's kind of a big thing.

What do you say, we stop saying, we're out of time. There's no hope. And start aligning yourself with the actual principles of Christ and Christianity.

JAMES: You know, I ask these fellows all the time. These Christian guys. I say why do you doubt God's timing? If you have faith, why do you doubt God's timing? The American people are waking up to this. They're waking up to this now. People have spoken about it for 30 years.

Some longer.

There are books from the early 1980s, talking about this, this march through our institutions. And people couldn't hear it or see it. But now people are waking up fast.

They're understanding the ESG is kind of at the heart of something that is going on. They understand that social, emotional learning is the heart of the brainwashing in our schools.

We're learning the targets. We're learning what's going on. We're learning it very quickly.

And we are actually, as you mentioned with the boycotts. We are willing to stand up and take a stand. Maybe we should trust in the timing of this. Because it's meant to be this way. Maybe that's the case.