RADIOJanuary 25, 2023

How Vatican City’s DARK SECRETS are relevant to YOU

The true reason why Pope Benedict retired from his position in 2013 — the first time it had been done in nearly 600 years — remains a mystery (though, the fact that Vatican City’s ATM transactions began working again right after his announcement leaves many to believe he was pressured into the decision). But now, an Archbishop who worked closely with Benedict is publishing a tell-all book that may expose several of Vatican City’s scandals, ones the Pope was investigating. Dr. Taylor Marshall, author of ‘Infiltration,’ joins Glenn to detail not only these dark secrets, but also how they represent a type of evil that is NOT exclusive to the Catholic Church. Rather, Dr. Marshall explains how this story relates to us ALL: ‘Ultimately, evil wants to take ownership and brand your mind and control your thoughts. And that's where all the tentacles are reaching.’

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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Dr. Taylor Marshall is with us now.
The author of Infiltration.

The infiltration of the Catholic Church. The plot to destroy the church from within.

This is a universal story now. Doctor, welcome to the program. How are you?

TAYLOR: I'm great. Thanks for having me on, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. So we follow your work a great deal because you talk about other things, other than Catholic things.

But I want to make sure people understand, right from the beginning.

We are not taking on the Catholic Church, and this is not a Catholic bash session.

TAYLOR: No. Not at all. And I consider myself a Catholic. I attend mass every day, sometimes more. I have a beautiful Catholic family. We have eight children.

GLENN: Jeez.

TAYLOR: And I love Christ. I love -- I love the church.

And that -- that bothers me, that there's these wolves in sheep's clothing. In shepherd's clothing even, doing horrible things to children, to bank finances, to all kinds of scandals.

GLENN: Right.

TAYLOR: And I think the answer is to just shine light on it, and expose it. So we can have true change. And get things back on track, the way we want them.

GLENN: And there will be a lot of Catholics that listen and will hear you, like Nancy Pelosi, who consider themselves Catholic. That will disagree, strongly with with some of the things that you're saying. But I think that's the point.

Because there is this kind of feeling among Catholics about Pope Francis. Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy?

I don't know if we'll ever get to that question. But I want to talk about Pope Benedict. Because this was very bizarre, when Pope Benedict resigned.

I think it was the first time, right?
Where he resigned.

TAYLOR: Well, it's the first time in 597 years. So it's been a while. It's pretty rare.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

And when he resigned, it seemed very odd. It was preceded by European banks, pulling the plug on the Vatican bank. Right?

TAYLOR: Yeah. That's correct. Well, actually if we go back a little bit more. A few months before the Vatican bank having a -- kind of a meltdown.

There was the butler of Pope Benedict. His name was Paulo HEP Gabrielli, and he was leaking documents to the press and to journalists. And no one knew how this was happening. And finally, he was caught.

He pled guilty. And he was sentenced to prison, in the Vatican. And Pope Benedict oddly pardoned him. And that led to the whole investigation, that was headed up by Benedict. A secret investigation. Three cardinals did it. They presented to him. The sources say one or two red binders, of all kinds of filth in it.

Bank scandals. There's rumored to be pictures of cardinals in drag, in those binders. All kinds of nasty things.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

TAYLOR: And that all happened in December of 2012.

And then January 1st of '13, the -- the Vatican museums cannot process money.

The ATM machines in Vatican City stopped working.

And shortly thereafter, we have the announcement of Pope Benedict, that he's going to resign. The very next day, all those banking problems were fixed. They were resolved. By the way, the night that Pope Benedict announced he was going to resign. That was the night that (?) which was a sign for a lot of people.

GLENN: So -- so this is right along the lines of what we're seeing in the Deep State in the United States.

We are seeing with World Economic Forum, which I know you are very well aware of.

Are you -- are you -- is there any evidence, that this banking thing was to put pressure on the pope, get out?

TAYLOR: I think so. And the reason for this. And you say Deep State. And I think we really need to. Everyone needs to put in their vote. (?) deep church. The same thing that is happening in state, is happening in the church. We can refer to Deep State and deep church.

GLENN: And it's not just the Catholic Church. These people have been working behind the scenes for years.

TAYLOR: Yes. And you have to remember that the Vatican is unique, in that the Vatican is its own nation. It's called a city state. It has its own sovereignty. Technical, Vatican (?) it's it's own micro country. And as its own micro country, it has its own bank. Now, I want (?) a mob boss. Your biggest problem, is what do you do with all this money?

GLENN: Is the bank.

TAYLOR: You have to launder. You have to get it into legit means and move it around, right?

And what if there were a bank on earth, that belonged to a micro nation, that was not regulated by the EU. That was not regulated or audited by anyone on the outside.

Well, there is that bank in the world. And that bank is called the Vatican bank. So err crony on earth wants a piece of that bank.

Because you can legitimatize legitimate money. That's why the Vatican (?) almost every five to ten years. Since the 1960s.

The temptation to use that Vatican bank is high. And the temptation for corrupt cardinals in the church, that led people to get their fingers in the pie. Is also very high. That's only one piece of this puzzle. But I think that helps people to understand why the Vatican bank is constantly plagued with scandals.

GLENN: Okay. So let me make sure I understand the good guy here. Benedict. Is it your thesis that Benedict was working to end all that corruption and expose it. And possibly his (?) was being used by Pope Benedict. To out all of this stuff.

And -- go ahead.

TAYLOR: Yeah. Those are questions that we're still trying to figure out. I want to be very careful not to say, Pope Benedict was the super saint mastermind playing (?) this is an old man, who is in his 80s. I mean, it's -- very few of us have had the experience of being old and tired and surrounded.

And so I don't think we could make it just as easy as the good guys and the bad guys here. But definitely Pope Benedict was doing investigations.

And he appointed a man who was becoming very famous in the last couple of years. Archbishop (?)

GLENN: I love him.

ADAM: Yeah, he's great. He's a good guy.

He appointed him, back in -- I think it was 2009. He appointed him, secretary general of the Vatican City.

And this is sort of a ruling body. And he wanted him to look into the financial accountability of the Vatican bank.

And as soon as he was hired by Benedict for this job, he found a -- a negative deficit of the equivalent of 10.5 million. And then found a surplus of random money that was in various bank accounts of 44 million. He did that in just 12 months. Viganò did. (?) which shows you that the people who were already in there, were playing fast and loose with accounting.

Viganò (?) some cardinals. I won't go into all the names. But if you want them, I can give them to you.

GLENN: No, no. That's all right.

TAYLOR: And he got in big trouble. So what did Benedict did? He took Viganò. (?) the apostolic, (?) the ambassador to America. Washington, DC. Now I want you toggle and do an audit on the American bishops (?) and the American Catholic Church. That's what Viganò did. (?) and guess, what he undercovered (?) archbishop of DC. Who was molesting children. Embezzling money. Just a wicked Judas of a man. Viganò (?) five years, pointing the finger at Francis for corruption.

So all these characters are woven together. It's a pretty small world, in the Vatican.

GLENN: So let me switch topics here and kind of go to what happened, what? Yesterday or the day before. Unprecedented. The pope writes a book. And it's held until after his death. And he just exposes some really nasty things. And I want to get into your thoughts on that. What did he say?

Why did he wait in and what is going to be the fallout (?) for everybody else in all of our churches that aren't Catholic?

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So it was a tell-all memorandum with our. And it was -- (?) it was a book of really unexpected Revelations. And it came from the Vatican. It came from the archbishop. Who was the right-hand man of Pope Benedict.

And it was supposedly written by the two of them. I think?

Or Pope Benedict. And it exposes all of the things pope been ticket wanted to expose.

And it's some nasty exposé.

Never really done before.

Am I right?

TAYLOR: Yeah. As far as I know, it's never been done.

There was a rumor, that Pope Benedict was going to release his final spiritual testimony after he died. And after he died, it came out. Everybody said, it was a nothing burger. Kind of reminisced about his childhood and family. Then (?) I actually have an advanced English copy.

I don't know if he's official or not. I'll read you a section of it. This is Pope Benedict.

Quote, in several (?) were formed. Which acted more or less openly. And which clearly changed the atmosphere in seminaries. In a seminary in southern Germany, candidates for the priesthood, and candidates fort (?) lived together.

And it goes on. He talks about also the American bishops. And how they sort of lost their vision for the gospel. For assisting the poor. For preaching the truth. Drawing people to Jesus Christ.

And instead, kind of just became -- not in his words. But sort of the chaplains to the Democratic Party. You know, the woke agenda. The Great Reset.

And this kind of makes sense. I mean, if you're Satan, you want to be in the highest corridors of power.

And that has to do with both religion and politics.

And there was a woman aliened bella Dodd. Who in the '50s said (?) she was a communist operator. She had a big conversion. And she said, she had placed over a thousand communist men in the seminaries. That was back then.

So this kind of thing was happening. And it's -- it's just like we have a Deep State. This is the Deep Church.

STU: Right.

GLENN: So Pope Francis recently came out and said, the devil is among us.

And he has talked about a great evil.

It sounds like this is what Benedict was also warning against.

But I don't think they see things the same way.

Or do they?

TAYLOR: Well, I liked your comment (?) evil. But they seem to be pointing at one another.

GLENN: Right.

TAYLOR: I think that's -- I think your observation there was a good one. I think there's definitely a war in the Vatican. And this kind of goes back to the '60s. There was this countless. You mentioned in the video, there B (?) third secret of Fatima. In the 1960s, or the second (?) from 1962, to 1965, it was super optimistic. You know, this is the era of color TV. And moon landings and all this.

GLENN: Yeah.

TAYLOR: And there's this idea, we need to make Christianity. We need to make Catholicism groovy.
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GLENN: And that's exactly the right word too.

Because those kinds of churches are just as hip as groovy is. They work just as well.

TAYLOR: Yep. And so there's this idea, we can update and make things cool. So we'll change the liturgy. We'll change the hymns. We'll make things modern. And what we'll do is just give a face-lift to Catholicism, so it's not medieval.

And bells and ropes. And we'll just be really cool.

Well, there's been this battle for the past 60 years on whether that is an actual improvement. Or it's been detrimental.

And it goes hand in hand with the global political agenda.

Should wen on board. Should we be downplaying abortion? Downplaying gay marriage?

You know, and this has been the battle. And the lines are kind of drawn along that fault line.

And I think Benedict, the 16th, as a young man. Was a little bit liberal and more modern. As he aged, as he was a pope. He turned the wheel right. Francis has always been a South American liberation theology, radical, Jesuit. Modernist. And that's just who he is.

And he has -- if anything, he's only gotten more and more leftist, the longer he lives, and the longer he's pope.

GLENN: Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no. Go ahead.

TAYLOR: So by having these two catches. You see Pope Francis, for example, he's trying to ban the traditional Latin (?) the Gregorian chant. He doesn't likable the old stuff.

And he's very much (?) on board with like, the vaccine and the theology.

And the great reset.

And he sends representatives to Davos. I mean, this is his worldview. And so when he talks about the devil. I'm not so reason he's talking about the same person that Benedict is talking about.

GLENN: Right. So when I was at the Vatican, this is under Benedict. I had no idea why they did this. It was a surprise to me.

But I was allowed to go to the secret archives with the chief archivist. And the head of the university. Both of them were the -- you know, counselors to the pope, at the time.

And they talked about a war, in the Vatican. And it -- it was described to me, later by a cardinal, as really, truly a Civil War. And they were saying, it's the soul of the church. And we kind of hope Benedict wins. And it's not clear at all. It was shortly after that, that Benedict retired.

And it seemed like almost in retrospect, almost as if the cardinals knew, this could be a possibility. That he would either be killed. Or he would have to retire.

I would like to have you talk about the actual -- it's almost did a vast majority of codish. I hate to say that. But it's almost Da Vinci Code. There is a group inside. (?) how real is this. And does this play at all, into prophecies. Catholic prophecies about these days.

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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. Today, we're talking to tailor marshal, author of infiltration. Also, host of the Dr. Tailor marshal podcast you can find on YouTube. He talks about (?) a lot of things.

But he is -- he is a very strong Catholic, and this week, we are talking to him about what Pope Benedict did after his death, just a book -- a book just came out. No one in America is talking about it.

And I don't know if anybody in Europe is really talking about it. But it is earth-shattering. And it's all about evil. And evil is becoming more and more clear. At least to me, it is. And before we go on to the war that is going on in the deep church, archbishop Viganò, (?) at one point here recently called out, George Soros, Klaus Schwab, and Bill Gates. And this is the guy who was calling out all the pedophiles, and the banking scandals. Why did he call those three out?

TAYLOR: Well, as time goes on, we see that the deep church and the Deep State, the puppet strings all lead back to the same fingers. So, of course, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab. The usual suspects. Because you have to realize that the most powerful people in the Deep State, the most -- the billionaires, and the -- the technology giants. They have a strategy, not just for politics. But also for economics. They have a policy -- and they have a policy for religion.

I mean, all the great tyrants also have to control religion.

I mean, that has to be done. This is thought control. And the most powerful thoughts that people have. The powerful feelings they have, is almost always associated to their religion. To their faith. To their convictions.

And so this has to be controlled.

GLENN: Correct.

ADAM: And the biggest united religion on earth is Catholicism, with a very centralized nervous system in Vatican City. So, of course, they will go after that. And archbishop Viganò (?) who exposed corruption in the Vatican vein. Who worked in Washington, DC. He knows the Clintons. He knows the Obama's. He knows all these people. And he's met every single Catholic bishop in America. And all the cardinals in America.

He has the receipts. And so he's a in a very unique position, perhaps more than anyone alive. To have worked in the Vatican, in DC, and to see all these things at the time.

GLENN: He's very clear on good and evil. And he -- didn't he say this is a one world government, that is being built by those people in the WEF. And it's one world religion and everything else.

That's what he's really warning about, isn't he?

ADAM: Exactly (?) during the campaign. In fact, he even sent a message during one of the major rallies, that I read from the Supreme Court steps, on behalf of archbishop Viganò. (?)

GLENN: Would you please put a good word for me? I've tried to have him on a billion times. We don't get a response. I would love to do a podcast with him.

TAYLOR: Well, he's in hiding.

GLENN: Well,ening --

TAYLOR: For obvious reasons. But, yes.

GLENN: Okay.

TAYLOR: We can work something out. But he is really one of the most dynamic voices on earth, in particular within for -- for Catholics. Or you could say Christians, who have just had enough. You know, who have just had enough of basically politicizing our faith, so that the likes of Bill Gates can grab up more land. And push more experimental medical procedures on the world.

GLENN: So day before so let me -- let me ask you the -- the third secret of Fatima. And if people don't know what Fatima is, it's -- it's a miracle that happened, what?

Right before the --

TAYLOR: 1970s.

GLENN: Right before the war. And the Virgin Mary came. And appeared to the children. And said, look, there's going to be a war. It's Russia that's behind a lot of this error.

And Russia needs to be turned over to the Lord.

And their hearts changed. And gave, I think three secrets.

And the last one was kept secret

And it's confusing now, because it supposedly has been revealed.

But then I think Benedict hinted that it really hadn't been revealed.

But it talks about the last black pope, if you will. And I don't mean it as color of your race. I mean as a dark figure, that he's on the wrong side.

Is that true? And do you and others, does very good no believe this is those times? (?) or we're approaching them?

TAYLOR: Yes. I think that the Fatima mystery, and the three secrets of Fatima. In my book, infiltration, it's the very first part of the book. I won't get into all the details. People can look into it, themselves. There's tons of literature on it. (?) maybe since Moses crossing the Red Sea. I know that sounds sensational (?) that was witnessed in a place, a little tiny place.

Fatima, Portugal. And, yes, there were three secrets that were revealed. Just quickly, (?) and people were going there.

Don't listen to people who tell you, there's no hell. Number two, Russia needs to be consecrated.

Russia, the errors of Russia, are about to spill into the entire world. Over the -- this was documented in 1917.

GLENN: Right.

TAYLOR: And what did we see? We saw the rise of communism, (?)

GLENN: National socialism. All of it.

TAYLOR: Cuba. Latin America. What happened in 1917? Either these little kids were just drilling it, you know -- politicians who can see the next hundred years. Or this was really a message from heaven. Then the third secret was written down.

And was supposed to be opened and read to the world, in 1960. Sixty. It's a special message to the world.

And everyone. Even the New York Times was publishing, orientation my goodness, we're go B to have the secret of Fatima. (?) it was a really big deal.

A lot of people forgot it. It was a really big deal.

GLENN: Nobody (?) seemed to release. And you're like, why?

Why hasn't it been released?

TAYLOR: And the secret, talking about a world war, and a worst one after that. Everything that was revealed. Did come after it. So everybody wanted to come in the envelope, what in the envelope (?) John the 23rd opens it. Reads it. Puts it back in. And says, this is not for our time. I'm not releasing it to the world.

And everyone was ticked. Everyone was upset. Exo. This is perhaps the greatest prophetic thing that happened in the last 700 years. And you won't reveal it.

So that was 1959. 1960.

Then something was released in the (?) allegedly the third secret.

As soon as it came out, people questioned it. Because it describes a vision of what seems ton some kind of post-war dystopia. But it doesn't explain what it is, or what should happen. Or what we should do. Like, there's the explanation part that we had in the first and second secret. Is missing in the third secret. This has led to a unanimous agreement by scholars, even people who weren't Catholic. What they gave us in the year 2000, was maybe part of it. But it wasn't the full secret. And why don't we have the full secret. There's people who have speculated. There are people who read it, (?) it has to do with the bad counsel.

With a bad mass.

GLENN: And with -- and with a meeting in Russia, that the pope will go to Russia.

And not to consecrate Russia.

TAYLOR: Yeah. It's hard to know. Because we don't have it. We just (?) kind of get drippings of what it could be. But we do know that Russia is at the center of this whole thing. And we're still living in 2023.

It would be great to get the full secret. To know what it actually says. But my worry is that they put it into a filing cabinet, called trash can. And we may never see it.

That's my concern.

GLENN: I -- I -- Dr. Marshall, we could talk for a long time. I have so many questions for you. But we're almost out of time.

Tell me how this relates.

What's going on in the Catholic Church. Which is a real, true Civil War for the soul.

Just like we're battling for the soul of America in the country. And the West. Everything is being split.

How does this relate? What's going on in being exposed in the Vatican to all of our other churches?

TAYLOR: Well, I think at his it goes back to thought control. They want to control our actions. They want to control our words. You know, if you say certain things, you will be canceled. Just look at what Elon Musk was exposed to in the last several months. And then they ultimately want to control your thoughts.

People want to (?) 666 on the forehead. All of that. Think of the significance of the forehad he. I mean, that is branding. The sign of the devil, upon your mind.

You know, the -- yes. There very much could be a physical manifestation of a sign on your forehead. But ultimately, evil wants to take ownership, and brand your mind. And control your thoughts. And that's where all the tentacles are reaching. This complete thought control.

You will own nothing. You will have nothing of your own. You won't even have your thoughts. And allegedly, we will be happy. Is what they tell us, at the great reset.

GLENN: It's actually -- it's actually in one of their videos. That even your thoughts. Your dreams will be known. So you really will not control your thoughts or be in charge of your thoughts. You will not know which are your thoughts or their thoughts.

It's really spooky.

TAYLOR: That's ultimately, the mark of the beast there. You have 666 on your forehead, literally. Whether it's a contraption. Whether it's a tattoo. We debate that all day. But the significance of that, is that your mind belongs to evil.

GLENN: And is there any doubt in your mind, that this is actual evil. Like we probably haven't seen since maybe the 1930s and '40s? Any doubt in your mind?

TAYLOR: There's no doubt in my mind. No doubt.

The powers. Back then, they have machine guns and planes. Now we have technology.

Now we -- people can spy on you through your phone.

They can control so much. And that hasn't yet been tested by tyrants. And so now we're starting to experience it.

GLENN: Thank you so much, doctor. I hope we get a chance to meet soon. I would love to get you on (?) and things you know about that, that I might have missed. You spread a lot of good, in the world, with your -- with your podcast. So thank you so much. At which time likewise.

GLENN: YouTube (?) really, really reasonable.

Well thought out man. His name is Dr. Tailor marshal. He is the author of the book (?) Taylor marshal podcast. You can find his podcast at YouTube.com/Dr. Taylor marshal.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.

Restoring truth: George Washington's miraculous story

Glenn Beck speaks with a PhD candidate studying George Washington about how America has forgotten the truth of its founding. Together, they uncover the miraculous, morally grounded legacy of Washington — a man guided by divine purpose, not myth — and expose how modern academia and media have twisted history into ideology. From Washington’s providential survival in battle to his moral transformation on slavery, Glenn reveals why rediscovering the Founders’ own words is essential to restoring truth in a post-truth age.

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GLENN: Let me go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Hello, Paul.

CALLER: Hello, Glenn, I never would have called the show if I didn't have a dream about speaking to you last night, on the phone. So I thought that was profound. Stu will tell you that: If you're dreaming about Glenn, things aren't going well.

GLENN: Wow, you've got to raise your standards, there. My wife doesn't even dream about me, yeah.

CALLER: Well, yeah. I better jump on it. What we talked about on the phone call was George Washington. I'm actually writing my PhD dissertation on George Washington, and I never had a mixture of excitement and heartbreak in my heart like George AI. So I was heartbroken, and I wasn't involved in it.

And so I'm just calling about that, because I don't know. When you're dreaming about Glenn Beck in the phone call, you know, I feel you should jump on it. So...

GLENN: Well, okay. So, Paul, you're getting your PhD in history.

CALLER: Correct.

GLENN: And specifically with George Washington, or just that is your final paper?

CALLER: My -- currently it's American history. My dissertation is on George Washington.

GLENN: That is fabulous. And what did you come away thinking about George Washington, learning about George Washington?

CALLER: Well, I grew up in Pittsburgh, so Washington is all overt Pittsburgh area because of the French and Indian War.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER: And you kind of wonder how much of it is legend and how much of it is true. And then the more you look into it, you realize, these things weren't written about him, after or during the revolution to, you know, pump him up. These things were actually written minutes or weeks after it had happened.

GLENN: Yeah.

CALLER: What pastor, like Samuel Davies, is riding after the Battle of Monongahela, "This man might be being saved for our future purpose."

GLENN: Right.

CALLER: And that stuff has happened 20 years before the Revolution.

GLENN: Is that --

CALLER: The more you know, the more awe-inspiring it is.

GLENN: Yeah. Go ahead.

It is. Isn't it amazing, you look at George Washington, and I can't believe we lie about his teeth, we lie about the cherry tree when he is the most honest forthright and heroic guy, I think in all of American history. I mean, he is one of a kind.

And we lie about him. And we don't talk about all the things that happened, that are absolutely real and just confounding, miraculously!

CALLER: And "miraculous" is a correct term. It's shocking when you think of all of the instances where his life -- I mean, I know you had Salena Zito on a couple months ago, and she was talking about the incident in Butler, where he was shot at. He was 21 years old.

And then a bullet flies between him and a guy, inches away. I mean, the -- as much as American history gets altered, if he dies before the war, world history is altered.

GLENN: Everything, I know.

So what is the worst thing you could find about George Washington? I could only find that his mother said that he ate a lot of ice cream, and that was too extravagant, his Mother Mary.
(talking over)
GLENN: Not at all. No.

CALLER: Kind of --

GLENN: You know, the more you learn about her, the more I think George Washington's mom, probably sounded a little like that, you know what I mean?

She just --

CALLER: She would essentially sound like her.

GLENN: She's not a likable person.

CALLER: Yeah, probably why he went on adventures so early, just to get out of the house. She kind of chased him out.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

What's the worst thing you learned about him?

CALLER: I don't know. It's hard -- it's hard to find the dark, when the light is so bright within.

GLENN: I know.

CALLER: Are you aware that one of the reasons that he ended slavery, ended it was a dream he had.

That he was being --

GLENN: Not aware of that.

CALLER: And he -- he told her, I'm rewriting the will, and that's when he's on a deathbed. He brings up the two wills. He brings out the new will that he wrote that freed the slaves after he had this dream!

GLENN: I'm -- where did you get -- what source is that?

CALLER: That is in a book called Imperfect God.

GLENN: I have to tell you, have you seen original sources on it? Is it quoting where it's coming from?

CALLER: Yeah, it does quote. It does quote where it's at. I mean, I have the book on my desk. I don't know exactly where it's from.

GLENN: So, you know, Paul, I would really to get your information. Put him on hold. And get his information. And he should go over to -- I mean, he had a dream. I mean, we should at least pursue this, to see if there's anything there. Seeing that we're building George AI. And that's what you're all about.

You know, there -- it is -- if you can get through college and you want to learn history, I don't know how -- you know, I don't know how Paul did it and made it with his -- with his brain not just Jell-O. You know.

Because this is the difference between -- look, George AI is not going to be -- it's are not going to be complete for a long time.

It has -- there's just too much in there.

But it is going to be a -- a doorway into learning about the Founders in their own words with the founding documents.

You know, when you go to a university, or you learn from history in class, you're -- you're -- you're -- you're trained to quote the interpreters of history, not understand the originators. Instead of -- instead of reading Madison, you're standing there, and you're sitting there. And you're listening to a teacher or a professor trying to explain what Madison really meant.

Well, why didn't I just go to Madison?

I don't want the modern context. I want it in his writings.

Can you imagine, 100 years from now, Trump -- Trump in the history books, how do you think that guy will be remembered, with historians?

How are they going to get -- we can't even -- half the country doesn't even know who he is.

Half the country!

And they're watching him in realtime.

What's the difference? They're not actually watching or listening. They're listening to the interpreters.

If you actually listen to him, if you actually watch him, you learn, that's a completely different guy. There's a show going on, and there's things that he does, that I don't necessarily like. But that's not who he is. That's not what he's doing.

That's -- that's why, first sources are so important. You know, you're not -- you're not -- you're not learning the interpretation. When you read about Washington and the farewell address and Lincoln's second inaugural, you see -- you see men who believed that truth existed outside of them!

Moral and divine, and it was -- it was outside of them. Universities are also teaching that, you know -- I don't know.

Truth is in you!

It's your truth. No. No.

Real truth is outside of me. I don't know how Paul made it through without hating America. You know, because usually you're taught that the Founders were hypocrites.

And you're not reading the original sources. When you read the Federalist papers. When you actually read the words of Frederick Douglass. Not the interpretation of Frederick Douglass. But read the words of Frederick Douglass. You see a guy who is really struggling, trying to figure it out. Not a perfect guy.

Not perfect. Same with the Founders. Not perfect.

They're really struggling. And that's not even understood I don't think in today's world. The struggle for truth, the struggle for thinking. You're not taught to critically think anymore.

You're conform, conform, conform. Write this down, kids. It will be on the test. Parroting is what they want.

AI tops country charts: Humanity's soul at stake?

The #1 country song in America isn’t sung by a human... it was generated entirely by AI. Glenn Beck dives into what this means for music, creativity, and the very definition of humanity. If artificial intelligence can sing with emotion, write lyrics about suffering, and imitate a soul it doesn’t have, then what separates human beings from machines? As AI agents begin creating personalized music, podcasts, and worlds, Glenn warns that we are entering a moment where the battle for meaning, purpose, and identity becomes unavoidable.

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GLENN: I don't know if you saw the number one song on the billboard music charts. I want to talk about this in-depth tomorrow. But it is number one, on the country music billboard charts!

I want you to listen to it.

Go ahead.
(music)

GLENN: Okay. So the interesting part about this song is that guy who is singing that has not been talking for a long time. He's not been walking for a long time. In fact, he was not born long ago. He's not real. That's AI. The number one song on the billboard country music chart is AI. AI.

I have to tell you, some of my favorite music is coming from AI right now. And I don't know how to feel about it. You know, we -- we just -- it wasn't too long ago, that we thought, oh, well. It won't ever be able to do that. Art is the music. Art is the window to the soul!

How -- how is AI. If you look at some of the lyrics of this song, I mean, it talks about how he's been dragged through the mud. You know, he's had to really stand.

I mean, it -- it doesn't know any of that stuff. None of it is real. And yet, it's assembling it in a way, that is so appealing, it's number one on the billboard country chart!

If that -- and this is what I want to focus tomorrow. I want to talk to you about college.

And what are you telling your kids about college.

What are you doing?

If you're in college, what are you doing?

If you're thinking about college, what are you thinking!

Because the whole world is about to change.

You know, I just heard Elon Musk say that in five years.

There's not going to be phones and apps.

I want you to think about this. There won't be phones or apps. It will just be some sort of a box or a device that you kind of carry around with you.

And it's listening. It's -- anticipating.

It's AI. It's an agent AI.

And it will know what you want to hear.

What you want -- and it will create the music you want to hear. It will create the podcasts I want to hear.

It will do all of this stuff for you. So we will be even in our own universe, even more than we are right now!

But if -- if AI can fake being a human and sing soulfully, while not having a soul, what does it mean to be a human?

I have been asking this question and been saying, Stu, since the '90s?

I have been saying, we have to have a conversation on what does it mean to be human!

What does it mean to be alive?

Because there's going to come a time, when you won't know what it means!

Are we there yet?

Stu. Are we there?

STU: It's a good question. I think we know what it means to be human. But I think the ways that we have shorthanded that over the years, are dissolving. Right?

You know, when you come up with what seems like original thought. We might all be able to acknowledge something that AI churns out is not original thought.

But it certainly seems like it, to most.

And I don't think a lot of people don't care.

People won't care if it's made by humans or not. If they like it.

And they seem to like it. And while there will I think be a real pushback by some, against this stuff, just like, you know, I have a bunch of friends who are into the horror movie practical effects of the world.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

STU: Where they're like, I like going -- that's why I like to watch horror movies. Because thee use real fake blood, or whatever -- it's a real dedication. It's not my thing. I don't care.

If I go to the movie, if it's CGI and it looks real, I don't care. But they love the fact that it's being made by practical effects. And if that's -- there will always be some interest in that, I think.

There will always be some interest in watching someone doing something manually that a machine could do easier and in some ways, better.

But like --

GLENN: And -- and --

STU: It becomes niche after a while, doesn't it?

GLENN: Yeah, handmade is going to come back into style. At some point, handmade. Human made will come back to style.

But we are going to go through a period, where it will get really scary.

Because, I mean, if a machine can -- if a machine can sing soulfully, and not have a soul, what does -- what does that mean?

If it can sculpt beauty, generate things that can make you cry. But it -- how does it know -- it doesn't have anything real inside of it. If it can imitate genius, then what is our genius, what does that mean? Let me start this conversation. We will go more into this on tomorrow's program.

Let me start this. When you start to ask yourself, what does it mean to be a human? A machine can produce, and it can produce and will produce better than you can! But it cannot care.

It cannot actually care. It can calculate. But it cannot love! A machine can imitate suffering.
It can relate to suffering. It can sing songs soulfully, like it has suffered. But it can never walk through the valley of suffering.

It can analyze morality, but it can't instinctively choose right and wrong, because it's serving a higher power. It has no --

STU: No conscience. It has no courage. It has no soul! It will never put itself between danger and a child! It will never forgive. Because it's never really offended. It will never sacrifice. It will never bury a friend and carry that little piece of the brief with them, for the rest of their lives.

There's something different about humans, and it is -- it's not about what we can do.

It is everything about the divine spark. Only humans can look at something and say, "Damn it. I know all the odds are against me. All reason goes against this. But I'm going to build it instead. I'm going to rebuild." Only humans hear the call of -- from deep within, the whispering of the spirit. Or the ancient whispers. The machines will never hear!

Saying, live for something greater than yourself.

There is something more out there. Only humans can take suffering, and learn compassion!

Only humans can take fear and turn it into courage and bravery.

Only humans can take history and turn it into real wisdom.

We are making artificial minds. But we are not making artificial life!

But as these artificial minds begin to get better and better, and their tools become better and better, it should not make us smaller.

It should make us ask bigger questions!

Who am I?

Why am I here?

What is the purpose of life?

The questions that man has been asking since the dawn of time, what am I willing to endure, for the sake of truth?

What am I willing to stand up for?

What is worth living for? What is worth dying for?

What is the purpose of the freedom that I have right now?

Is there a purpose?

What's spark inside of me, that no machine will ever be able to copy?

No algorithm can simulate?

No code can counterfeit?

What makes me unique?

That answer is going to be found in each of us. In each of our hearts.

And it's this weird, mysterious furnace, where reason meets faith, and memory becomes meaning. And the divine, echoes inside of us. Reminding us, that we are individuals. That we are here for a purpose. That we can be forgiven. We can get stronger. We can rebuild.

We can forget everything the world is saying and chart our own course!

That's what makes us humans, and machines will not understand that!

Being human isn't what we can produce. Because you're going to see, it's producing everything.

It's what we can choose. We can choose to love. We can choose to sacrifice. We can choose to tell the truth.

We can choose to stand when the world bows.

We can choose to create, not because we're told to create, not because we make money to create, but because there's something inside us, that is so restless, until we do create!

A lot of people don't know that I paint. I'm an artist.

I don't patriot for anybody else.

I don't patriot to sell my paintings.

I don't -- I don't -- I paint, because there's something inside of me, that compels me to do it. That is human.

It can reproduce my brush strokes, and make them better.

And it can borrow our melodies, it can echo our stories. But it cannot replace the things that make us human. The ability to forge meaning! Out of all of the things that we have suffered through, the age of machines is rising! And it is going to diminish us, if we don't figure out who we are and what our purpose -- what is that stirring inside of me.

You may not find it. But recognize that stirring inside of you, and if it's not, you're already starting to lose your humanity. It doesn't have to finish us, it can refine us. It can remind us who we truly are.

It can urge us, find that! Because I'm coming to replace everything else.

What makes us, us, we're human. And that itself is a miracle, that a machine cannot re-create.

Was Tucker RIGHT about Bonhoeffer, killing Hitler, and Christianity?

Tucker Carlson recently claimed that Dietrich Bonhoeffer decided “Christianity is not enough” when he took part in a plot to kill Adolf Hitler. Was Tucker right? Glenn Beck, who has studied Bonhoeffer in-depth, dives into the full story of Bonhoeffer and his struggle with these same questions…

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GLENN: I'll bring this up. Tucker did a podcast yesterday, that I listened to, or a couple of days. Whatever. You know, I listened to it yesterday.

And -- and the reason why I listened to it is because so many friends are like, he's talking about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Glenn. Blah, blah, blah.

And I don't want to get into -- I'm not going to talk about personalities. I just want to talk about facts. You draw your own conclusion about who you listen to. And you can listen to them or not listen to them. That's fine. But let's make sure we correct facts and not make it about personalities.

Okay. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of my heroes. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of the greatest men to ever live. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a Christian pastor. And let me set it up this way. When the Third Reich grew, and the Weimar republic collapsed, there was this -- there was this -- this movement in Christianity that happened quickly. Within the first year of the end of the Weimar and the beginning of the Nazi regime, within a year, 60 percent of the churches ridded themselves of everything Jewish. Okay? Now, that's hard to do when your main hero figure is a Jew! And the entire history, that said, hey. He's coming, is also written by Jews! Okay?

It's the Old Testament. And, by the way, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They were Jews too! So it's hard to rinse the Jew out of the Judeo-Christian world. But somehow or another, they did it. Sixty percent. Okay?

They've gotten rid of, including many churches, already had gone for it and gotten rid of the Old Testament. That is something that Hitler's people were really pushing for: Get rid of the Old Testament. Well, you have nothing left, if you don't have the Old Testament with the New Testament!

So the world had gone insane. The Christian world had gone insane. Within six months, many, if not most of the churches had replaced the picture of Christ on the altar, with a picture of Adolf Hitler. So he changed the fabric of Christianity, entirely. And he was going after any pastor, priest, anybody, who was preaching something different. Okay? There were a couple of pastors. One played along with it at first. Pastor Niemöller. And he was like, "At first they came for this, and I didn't say anything, and then they came for this."

He didn't say anything at first. Then he -- then he got in -- and he's like, oh, I should do it. But he was praised in the end, for his unwavering faith. He actually stood.

And he actually -- he was -- one of the guys who preached that the Nazis were not to blame alone. They played their role.

But may I quote, would the Nazis been able to do what they would have done, if church members would have been truly faithful Christians. The answer is, no!

Truly faithful.

Now, Tucker said yesterday, that he doesn't think that Bonhoeffer was -- I don't remember the exact lines. I'll probably get it wrong.

Do we have it?

Okay. Go ahead and play it.

VOICE: We really have no choice, but to start shooting them. To be Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And sort of reach the end of reason or even Christianity.

Bonhoeffer decided, Christianity is -- he's a Lutheran pastor.

Christianity is not enough. We have to kill the guy. Not judging Bonhoeffer. He was a great man in some ways.

But, I mean, that's inevitable, once we decide that people are Nazis.

GLENN: Okay. So his point here, he's making about, we have to stop calling people Nazis.

And he's absolutely right. You have to stop calling people Nazis or shooting against them. Exactly right, unless they're actual Nazis. You know what I mean?

I mean, there's a difference between saying, hey. We should not call people Nazis, who are not Nazis, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have called Hitler a Nazi. He was the Nazi.

He's the idyllic Nazi. He's the king of all Nazis. He's a Nazi!

So when it is a Nazi, I think you can call people Nazis.

But, yeah. That does require you then to make a choice.

And that's where Bonhoeffer found himself.

This guy was an amazing man. He was a pacifist. He did not believe in war. He did not believe in killing. He -- and that's how he skated for a long time. Because he was saying, quiet. Quiet. Quiet.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Do not involve yourself in this. God does not want us to kill each other. He was a huge pacifist. His story goes back and forth. You have to read the Bonhoeffer book by Eric Metaxas.

But he goes back and forth. He comes to the United States. He sees faith in action, actually in Harlan. And kind of has this renewed kind of faith experience. He goes back to Germany. He's there for a while.

He knows now that Hitler is -- because he's helping Jews escape. And he knows Hitler is on it!

And he's going to -- he's closing in on him. He's going to get him. He leaves. He comes to the United States. He's here, and he starts feeling guilty. Like, I can't leave my own country. I have to stand! I can't leave and hide!

I've got to stand. So he goes back to Germany. I think on the last vote, that is going into Germany, and he gets to Germany. And he starts plotting Valkyrie. He's part of Project Valkyrie.

Valkyrie is the Tom Cruise movie you've seen, von Stauffenberg, a huge German hero, who was not a Nazi, but he was a German soldier who decided, "Oh, this has got to stop."

And they planned with a lot of people who said, "We've got to stop Hitler." Because look at what he's doing. He's destroying everything, and he's killing millions. And it's got to stop.

And Bonhoeffer, when he got back, he was wrestling with his pacifism. He was a pacifist. A strong one. He really believed that God said, no. No, fighting.

No war. Nothing.

You're not allowed to kill.

But the evil that he saw was so overwhelming, that he started questioning everything that he believed.

And ins class, because he would -- he was teaching these young pastors coming up. In his class, he started saying things to the class members, so if a pacifist saw something that was so evil, you needed to stop it, would it be okay?

And then they would argue. And the class didn't have any idea. He was working it out with the class in his own head.

He was working it out.

How do I work this.

How can I -- am I a Christian. If I do this.

He got to the point to where he said, if you knew of a pacifist, that you respected. And they did get involved in that. Would you still be their friend?

Would you still respect them?

Are they still Christians?

Okay. He's looking to work this out. And he struggled with it.
Hitler grabs him. Puts him in -- in prison.

He's in prison for a long time.

And the only reason why he survived as long as he did, he came from a very famous family.

And so Hitler really didn't feel like he had the juice to kill him. Without causing him other problems.

But he escaped for a while. And he was in prison. He wrote some beautiful stuff.

One of the most beautiful homilies on marriage, that I've ever read, is from him.

He was a guy who didn't get married.

He was going to get married.

But knew what was going to happen to him. But didn't want to endanger her, so he didn't get married. So he didn't know anything about marriage, except what he had read. What he thought about and read in Scriptures. And he writes this beautiful homily, because he's supposed to give the sermon at his sister's wedding. The Nazis won't let him out to do it. He writes it. It's read at her wedding. It's absolutely beautiful. And deep, deep, deep.

He's in prison for a while. He's now -- it's -- it's, you know, coming up to April 1945. Hitler dies in April 1945.

And everything is falling apart. And so the Nazis start kind of cleaning up the death camps. And they start transferring people. And -- and Bonhoeffer is supposed to be let free. And he gets on to this bus, you know, driven by the Nazis. And he's being transferred to where he will be released. Well, on the way, the tire goes out, and they don't have a spare. And so they're sitting on the edge of the road, and they got all these prisoners.

And these -- this other bus is coming. The other direction. And they're like, "Hey, where are you going?"

They said, "Well, we're going to this camp." Great. Will you just take these prisoners with you? Here's the paperwork and everything else.

Here's the prisoners. You just take them with you. So all the prisoners, who were there, including Bonhoeffer, who was supposed to be released, go to this other death camp. And now he's sitting there on this death camp and waiting for death.

And not supposed to be.

And in that, he is preaching Christ to the guy who did all of the experiments, on the Jews, you know, freezing them. Bringing them up, at high altitude. Until their his pop. All the horrible experiments.

Everything that is now in every hospital in the world.

The book about hypothermia and everything else.

It's the number one book on what the human body can do and how you fix things.

Number one.

It's in every hospital.

Every doctor has it. That was written by that Nazi.

He released it, without Hitler's permission. Because he thought it was such a gift to the world. And he went to prison. Because Hitler said, we're not trying to save the world. We're saving German soldiers.

Puts him in prison. The guy is a vile guy, as you can imagine. He's in, I think a French spy. This woman, she's a double agent. So they're in this cell, with Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And he's preaching to them. And they're just vile with each other, in front of him!

He keeps his cool. Keeps who he is.

Comes up to -- a couple of weeks before Hitler is going to kill himself. And they come, and they're going to execute everybody in that cell. So they go out, and the only reason why we know how Dietrich Bonhoeffer died and when he died is because of the way he acted. He went out. They took him out to the would see. And they had built a hanging platform. And one by one, they brought him up. Put the noose around their neck. Trapdoor. They died! Cut them down. Next one. Bring them up. Put the noose around their neck. Trap terror. Opens. They die!

Bonhoeffer, when he comes up, he comes up to the platform, and the guy who is putting the noose around his neck, he says, something like, thank you for your kindness.

Okay?

And the guy is like, what know.

Everybody else is freaking out. Everybody else is, you know.

And he says, "Thank you for your kindness."

He tightens the noose. Pulls the trapdoor. Dead.

He remembers that one guy. And remembers, that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I don't know if he knew who Dietrich Bonhoeffer was at the time.

But he knew him, because of that "thank you." He died like a very valiant man. Okay?

In a way, I don't know if I could. What is the difference between when you confront evil, when you see evil. I mean, Dietrich Bonhoeffer is the guy who said, "Silence in the face of evil is evil itself."

God will not hold us blameless.

Not to act is to act. Okay?

That comes from a deep, deep spiritual place.

What is the difference between that and Thomas Jefferson? Saying, "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God?"

Do you, as a Christian have a responsibility to kill Hitler, if you had the opportunity with not Baby Hitler. Baby Hitler hasn't committed any crime. You're seeing this death machine. And you've tried everything you can to stop it.

Do you have a responsibility as a Christian to stop the evil? I think you do! I think silence in the face of evil is evil itself.

Not to act, is to act. You know, for -- for evil to happen, it's -- it will happen when good men do nothing!

We know that. We have a responsibility to act. But we have a responsibility to do everything Christ-like that we can, first. But you get into this place, to where, you know, whoa unto those who call evil good and good evil.

Everybody starts to confuse the language. Right?

And that's what's happening right now. Everybody is calling everybody a fascist or Hitler.

Everybody calls everybody a Nazi. And so there's no meaning on words.

We can't forget what words actually mean or we will wind up calling good evil and evil good!

That's what happened to so many Christians.

They did nothing. They just went along with it. They just played along, and then it became them! Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a great, great man.

A Christian giant!

And a man who fought real evil, and wrestled with it!

We squabble on the internet. And I don't want to add to that.

All I want to do is make sure that we talk about the facts as they are, so we don't lose our way as everything gets jumbled.