RADIOJanuary 22, 2024

How the Left REDEFINED 'extreme' to make Joe Rogan 'far right'

The Left is doing all it can to redefine terms like "extreme," "misinformation," and "far right" to include anyone who disagrees with them — including Bernie Sanders supporter, Joe Rogan. “The War on the West” author Douglas Murray is another one of their targets, who leftists would love to suppress and censor. But Douglas joins Glenn to denounce this insanity and explain the real danger: If you call everything "far right misinformation," you're only making real extremism worse. Meanwhile, the Biden administration and mainstream media are pushing actual extreme misinformation on the public ...

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GLENN: Douglas Murray joins us now.

Douglas, how are you?

DOUGLAS: Very good, thank you. Good to be with you.

GLENN: Yeah. I have to tell you, I can't thank you enough for your voice, for your logic, and your reason.

You are one of the more powerful people out there. And I think that's why you're being targeted.

Did you happen to see the article, that I was talking about with Anna Stanley?

DOUGLAS: Yes, I did. I read it with considerable alarm. This was a young woman who worked the foreign office. She was an open intelligence analyst.

Spent on her government training program, to learn about counterterrorism. Counterextremism.

Of course, she revealed in the piece, that, first of all, many of the -- several of the participants, the lecturers, completely downplayed Islamic extremism. Terrorism, which government does regard. And they do regard, as the primary threat to security in the UK.

GLENN: Right. And no mention of immigration playing a role in that. None!

ERIC: Of course not. Of course not.

Why would they talk about anything truthful?

GLENN: Yeah.

DOUGLAS: And -- but, yes, more alarming to me, even than that, was the fact that one of the lecturers, a man called Peter Newman.

A very sinister figure, in my view.

Was -- said that the main threat. Or one of the main threats was the far right people.

And he named me, and Joe Rogan.

GLENN: Joe Rogan.

DOUGLAS: As a friend.

GLENN: Let me quote the two paragraphs. That says this.

The lecturer further argued that Douglas Murray and Joe Rogan are both examples of the far right. To what extent, I'm quoting, should Joe Rogan and Murray be suppressed, he asked.

They have millions of followers. To deplatform them would cause issues. Whoops. Did we lose him?

Concluding his talk, the lecturer told a room full of government professionals, so society needs to find other ways to suppress them.

Is Douglas with us? Getting him back on the phone.

STU: Easiest way to suppress him, is to hang up on him in the middle of the interview.

GLENN: Exactly right. That's the private sector suppressing him, I'll tell you that right now.

STU: There you go. You see what side you were on, Glenn.

GLENN: Well, no. It was just -- it was a coincidence. And I've deleted all my files about hanging up on Douglas Murray.

This accident. Yeah, that's crazy.

STU: Oh. Oh. That's sad. That's sad.

It's amazing to me, the people who are actually targeted in the middle of this too.

It's one thing to talk about it as an issue.

It's one thing to say, okay. Well, these things are happening. Or they are happening.

When it's happening to you.

Obviously, Glenn, you were named in that article. I was not.

Just keep the record clear.

But it's got to be hard to go through it. Yeah. He's back on.

GLENN: I think, Douglas, you're back. Thank you. I'm sorry. Suppressing your voice there for a minute. But what's really frightening here is I've been talking about this stuff coming for a long time.

And we've been hearing reports, that they're doing this or that.

They are so outspoken on this.

And so bold. And they are so far down the line.

What do you think is coming for you?

DOUGLAS: Yes.

I don't know. Other than, anyone on earth is going to suppress or silence me.

But I certainly was think it's extraordinary.

The confidence that people have.

That they can suppress the -- who say things, which I think, not only are popular, but true. But I thought it's fascinating.

This man who has almost no following or recognition himself.

Experts in a non-expertise.

You know, that he should think that he could or other people should suppress me, and it's more than just about suppressing my voice.

I've got my lawyers, writing to his employers. Find out what he has in mind for me.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, they were in that very thing. They were talking using banks and everything. And we know they're doing this.

DOUGLAS: Yes.

GLENN: And, you know, I said about four or five years ago, that there's going to come a time, where they are going to build a digital get zero.

And I know all the implications of using those words. And I was called an anti-Semite, and everything else.

But that is what they're building. You know, the Jews can talk all they want, do whatever they want.

Just behind this wall, so nobody hears them or sees them. And that's exactly the direction we're going.

DOUGLAS: Yes.

And there's very particular moves that they're doing, to make that.

One is using the term far right, which alarms me enormously.

Because, of course, there are some people, particularly in Europe, who are what we would call far right. They are nowhere near the centers of power, but in bits of Germany and elsewhere. You know, there are very nasty things in the woodshed.

And unfortunately, what people have done in recent years, as you well know. Is that in the name of -- really nothing other than political opportunism. There's people who have decided to extend the parameters of what is allegedly far right.

And what they've done is, they've extended it not just to people, to call me. Or go Rogan. Far right.

Demonstrably absurd.

But what they're really doing, is they're trying to make public opinion, be deemed far right. And not just some public opinion, but majority public opinion.

Most people, in the United States, and the United Kingdom, are deeply concerned about illegal migration.

But once you say, concerned about illegal migration. As far right.

Therefore, the majority of the public are called far right.

And that has a lot of implications these people don't think about.

First of all, is that, of course, it makes actual far right, become completely normal. Because they will say, oh, well, everything is far right now.

And the second thing it does. Is that it defames and Liberia! Majority public concerns. Which are legitimate concerns.

You know, Americans are right to be fearful about the implications of having an entirely porous southern border.

And the Europeans and British people and others, are completely right.

To be concerned about having a totally porous southern border.

And to call these concerns extreme, or to try to choke them out in the mainstream, is something so antidemocratic and antipopular. That, I'm just very alarmed the way in which it is.

GLENN: Well, I don't know if you've been following Davos. I'm sure you have this week.

DOUGLAS: Of course.

GLENN: But they are making mis and disinformation a priority. Here in America. We've already had the Wall Street Journal.

We have had two stories now from NBC News this week on disinformation.

Listen to this paragraph in the story from NBC News. An increasing number of voters, have proven susceptible to disinformation, from former president Donald Trump and his allies.

Artificial intelligence technology is ubiquitous. Social media companies have slashed effort to see rein in misinformation on their platforms. And attacks on the work and reputation of academics, tracking disinformation, have chilled the research.

So they're -- they're making the case, that, you know, anybody who is -- even considering voting for Donald Trump, you are -- you've been captured by disinformation, which lead you to where Jordan Peterson is today.

You've got to go to a reeducation camp.

DOUGLAS: Right. Well, that's the thing. You know, is that -- this whole concept, that there are experts. And then there's us plebs, who is part of this problem. And the problem is not just how rude it is about us, the people. We, the people, to coin a phrase. It's the fact that these self-appointed experts are not experts in many occasions.

I mean, the BBC.

The BBC has a disinformation expert now. And she keeps on pumping out disinformation.

She keeps on getting things wrong.

Well, normally, that's the ebb and flow of journalism.

You know, one paper publishes one story.

Another paper says they're wrong.

That's fine.

But this idea that we have this sort of new priesthood cloth of academics.

Academic experts and disinformation. Sorry, the person we mentioned earlier.

From kings college London.

Academics are perfectly capable of pumping out lies and disinformation.

If I were to cite the famous Bill Buckley quote, you know, I would rather to go to the first hundred people in the phone book to find out what's true. Then -- then say the -- the board of Harvard University.

GLENN: Yes. You know, there's a story in the Washington examiner that just came out. Listen to this. While the Department of Homeland Security has allowed as many as 10 million who didn't notice to flood our southern border. Domestic surveillance state has prioritized something more important. According to documents now unearthed by the Media Research Center. DHS paid $700,000 from a counterterrorism program. To a self-described propaganda network.

The source of the funding was targeted violence, and terrorism prevention grant program, which was created by Barack Obama to target al-Qaeda.

That was put on hold, and then clandestinely revived by the then acting DHS head Kevin MacLeanen and Miles Taylor.

The infamous and insufferable anonymous resistance within the Trump administration.

The funding circumvented the White House budgeting process.

The beneficiary of the grand under-President Joe Biden is the university of Rhode Island's media education lab.

In their application for the money, it said propaganda can also be used for socially beneficial purposes.

Indeed, because the public has long recognized as being suggestable, the United States has long made use of the beneficial propaganda, during World War I, World War II, and the Cold War.

So what they did is they were the source coming after MAGA supporters. And saying that they're far right, anti-Semites.

This is funded by our government, and they're the ones telling us about disinformation?

DOUGLAS: Yeah.

Well, that's -- that's the other thing.

If I were somebody in the situation of government, in the last 15 years, I would think I would want to try at least to talk a look at myself. And wonder where I've gone wrong. You know.

And you see that.

I would wonder.

You know, they think the public don't trust scientists anymore.

I would say, what has a scientist done in recent years?

And scientific experts, like Dr. Fauci.

What might they have done, slightly, the country into doubting scientists.

If I was a -- a political pundit or political expert within government in Washington, I would wonder, you know, not what it is, that the public have got wrong. But what it is, we have done, in recent years. That has undermined trust in the democratic process and much more.

And it never -- I never see it, you know. As the right turn of the thinker.

I try to do -- I try to be self-critical. I try to think about whether I think about something wrong. And these people just don't -- they're never wrong.

It's always us, the public that are wrong. And need to be corrected.

GLENN: Douglas Murray. We'll be back in 60 seconds.

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Okay. Douglas Murray. What should the average person do because this is -- with -- with more people voting for their officials. More than any time in -- in US or world history.

This year, more people will be voting in free and fair elections, hopefully. Than ever before.

What do we do?

How do we solve this?

Because they are going to start putting us, one by one, behind a wall that will not be easy to spot at first.

DOUGLAS: I think it's getting increasingly easy to spot, if I may so.

I think the public today are so much more informed. We are so much informed than we were 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 30 years ago.

And one of the things is, that a lot of things that could have been called us on us, 30 years ago. Are now very, very transparent.

We have media, that can address, the problems, when, you know, parts of the mainstream media get things wrong.

We are no longer able to be simply lectured to, or sermonized to, for the pulpit of the New York Times.

We no longer, you know, have that sort of innocence that we had in the public, in the past.

And I think that's a good thing.

And it means that we're all -- we're all -- we're all beholden to sort of know more. Admittedly. And to see through more.

And to recognize, just that it's true. That sometimes, we are told things that are completely true, and we should pass some authority some of the time.

We also shouldn't be completely trusting, and we can be skeptical.

And we can do our own research, to use a phrase that is now pooh-poohed by the so-called experts.

Who say that it's dangerous for the public to do in the search.

You know, we shouldn't be endlessly cynical. Nor should we be endlessly supine.

We shouldn't be endlessly trusting. And we don't need to be.

If someone simply told you -- gave you one opinion, on something incredibly important in your life. You probably wouldn't follow it. You probably would want to check. You know, when I get motor insured, I don't go from one place, to my -- my -- you know, insurance.

I look around. Well, if we can do that with our cars, we can do it with our life.

And we can do it with our political future.

And that's what we're all doing. And anyone who says, I'm the only font of news. I'm the only font of correct opinion. Don't trust anyone, other than me. It's somebody you should distrust.

And that, you know, frankly, as the Washington Post tag lined. Democracy ties in darkness. Well, yeah. Sure it had. And media can die in darkness as well. And sometimes the people who say, we're the only ones you can trust. Like the Washington Post, might just be the ones who end up flipping in some things along the way.

That's what they've done, and I think we the public, are in a much better position now, than we ever have been before, to see through it.

GLENN: Douglas, always great to talk to you. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything.
DOUGLAS: Much a pleasure.

GLENN: You bet.

So, by the way, talking about the Washington Post.

Here's the headline from the story that he was referring to.

Doing your own -- this is the Washington Post. Doing your own research, is a good way to end up being wrong.

Well, yeah. You could be wrong. But just listening to the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN, and even Fox News, you got -- you've got an equal chance of being wrong there.

Do your own research.

Never close your mind. Never stop asking questions.

Humble yourself, so you're not arrogant. I know what the truth is!

Always be open to hearing a different opinion.

And you will find the truth. Prayerfully, you will find the truth.

EXPOSED: Tim Walz's shocking ties to radical Muslim cleric

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is directly connected in more ways than one to a radical Muslim cleric named Asad Zaman. Zaman's history and ties are despicable, and despite Walz's efforts to dismiss his connection to Zaman, the proof is undeniable. Glenn Beck heads to the chalkboard to connect the dots on this relationship.

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Is there a sinister GOP plan to SELL national parks?

Is Sen. Mike Lee pushing a sinister plan to sell our national parks and build “affordable housing” on them? Glenn Beck fact checks this claim and explains why Sen. Lee’s plan to sell 3 million acres of federal land is actually pro-freedom.

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GLENN: Now, let me give you a couple of things, from people I generally respect.

Chris Rufo, I really respect.

I'm totally against selling this land.

Nobody is going to build affordable housing deep in the Olympic Peninsula, which is one of the most beautiful places in the country.

I agree, it's in Washington State. It's on the coast. And it's a rain forest.

I want my kids hiking, fishing, and camping on those lands, not selling them off for some tax credit scam. This is a question I want to ask Mike Lee about.

That's really good. Matt Walsh chimes in, I'm very opposed to the plan. The biggest environmentalist in the country are and always have been, conservatives who like to hunt and fish.

We don't just call ourselves environmentalists, because the label has too much baggage.

And the practice always just means communist. Really, we are naturalists in the tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, and that's why most of us hate the idea of selling off federal lands to build affordable housing or whatever. I want to get to affordable housing here in a second.

Preserving nature is important. It's a shame we haven't -- that we've allowed conservation to become so left-wing coated. It never was historically.

No, and it still isn't.

You're right about one thing, Matt. We are the best conservatives. We actually live in these places. We use these places. We respect the animals. We respect the land. We know how the circle of life works. So I agree with you on that.

But affordable housing. Why do you say affordable housing or whatever?

Are you afraid those will be black people? I'm just playing devil's advocate? Are you just afraid of black people? You don't want any poor people in your neighborhood or your forest?

That's not what they mean by affordable housing.

And I know that's not what you mean either.

But what -- what we mean by affordable housing is, if you take a look at the percentage of land that is owned in some of these states. You can't live in a house, in some of these states, you know. Close to anything, for, you know, less than a million dollars. Because there's no land!

There's plenty of land all around.

Some of it. Let's just talk about Utah.

Some of it is like the surface of the moon!

But no. No. No.

Not going to hunt and fish on the surface of the moon. But we can't have you live anywhere.

I mean, you have to open up -- there is a balance between people and the planet. And I'm sorry. But when you're talked about one half of 1 percent, and we're not talking about Yellowstone.

You know, we're not. Benji Backer, the Daily Caller, he says, the United States is attempting to sell off three million acres of public land, that will be used for housing development through the addition of the spending bill.

This is a small provision to the big, beautiful bill that would put land in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado. Idaho. New Mexico. Oregon. Utah. Washington, and Wyoming at risk.

Without so much as a full and fair debate by members of both sides of the political aisle.

You know, I talked -- I'll talk to him about this.

The irony is, the edition of this provision by Republican-led Senate goes entirely against conservation legacy of a conservation. President Trump made a promise to revive this legacy.

Yada. Yada. Yada.

More about Teddy Roosevelt.

Then let me give you this one from Lomez. Is Mike Lee part of a sinister plan to sell off federal land?

This plan to sell off public lands is a terrible proposal that doesn't make any sense under our present circumstances and would be a colossal political blunder. But I'll try to be fair to base Mike Lee.

And at least have him explain where this is all coming from.

Okay. I will have him do that in about 30 minutes.

Let me give you just my perspective on this.

I'm from the West. I love the west.

I don't hike myself.

I think there's about 80 percent of the people who say, I just love to hike. And they don't love to hike. They never go outside.

I'm at least willing to admit. I don't like to hike. But I love the land. I live in a canyon now. That I would love to just preserve this whole canyon in my lifetime. I'm not going to rule from the grave. But in my lifetime, to protect this, so it remains unspoiled. Because it is beautiful!

But we're talking about selling 3 million acres of federal land. And it's becoming dangerous.

And it's a giveaway. Or a threat to nature.

But can we just look at the perspective here?

The federal government owned 640 million acres. That is nearly 28 percent of all land in America!

How much land do we have?

Well, that's about the size of France.

And Germany. Poland.

And the United Kingdom, combined!

They own and hold pristine land, that is more than the size of those countries combined!

And most of that is west of the Mississippi. Where the federal control smothers the states.

Okay?

Shuts down opportunity. Turns local citizens into tenets of the federal estate.

You can't afford any house because you don't have any land!

And, you know, the states can't afford to take care of this land. You know why the states can't afford it?

Because you can't charge taxes on 70 percent of your land!

Anyway, on, meanwhile, the folks east of the Mississippi, like Kentucky, Georgia. Pennsylvania.

You don't even realize, you know, how little of the land, you actually control.

Or how easy it is for the same policies, to come for you.

And those policies are real.

Look, I'm not talking about -- I'm disturbed by Chris Rufo saying, that it is the Olympic forest.

I mean, you're not going to live in the rain forest. I would like to hear the case on that.

But we're not talking about selling Yellowstone or paving over Yosemite or anything like that.

We're talking about less than one half of one percent of federal land. Land that is remote.
Hard to access. Or mismanaged. I live in the middle of a national forest.

So I'm surrounded on all sides by a national forest, and then BLM land around that. And then me. You know who the worst neighbor I have is?

The federal government.

The BLM land is so badly mismanaged. They don't care what's happening.

Yeah. I'm going to call my neighbor, in Washington, DC, to have them fix something.

It's not going to happen.

If something is wrong with that land, me and my neighbors, we end up, you know, fixing the land.

We end up doing it. Because the federal government sucks at it.

Okay.

So here's one -- less than one half of 1 percent.

Why is it hard to access that land?

Well, let me give you a story. Yellowstone.

Do you know that the American bison, we call it the buffalo.

But it's the American bison.

There are no true American bison, in any place, other than Yellowstone.

Did you know that?

Here's almost an endangered species.

It's the only true American bison, is in Yellowstone.

Ranchers, I would love to raise real American bison.

And I would protect them.

I would love to have them roaming on my land.

But you can't!

You can't.

Real bison, you can't.

Why? Because the federal government won't allow any of them to be bred.

In fact, when Yellowstone has too many bison on their land, you know what the federal government does?

Kills them. And buries them with a bulldozer. Instead of saying, hey. We have too many.

We will thin the herd.

We will put them on a truck. Here's some ranchers that will help repopulate the United States with bison. No, no, no. You can't do that.

Why? It's the federal government. Stop asking questions. Do you know what they've done to our bald eagles.

I have pictures of piles of bald eagles.

That they'll never show you.

They'll never show you.

You can't have a bald eagle feather!

It's against the law, to have a feather, from a bald eagle!

If it's flying, and a feather falls off, you can't pick it up. Because they're that sacred.

But I have pictures of piles of bald eagles, dead, from the windmills.

And nobody says a thing.

Okay.

But we're talking about lands.

States can't afford to manage it.

Okay. But how can the federal government?

Now, this is really important.

The federal government is, what? $30 trillion in debt or are we 45 trillion now, I'm not sure?

Our entitlement programs, all straight infrastructure, crumbling.

And yet, we're still clinging to millions of acres of land, that the federal government can't maintain. Yeah, they can.

Because they can always print money.

We can't print money in the state, so we can't afford it.

Hear me out. The BLM Forest Service, Park Service, billions of dollars behind in maintenance, roads, trails, fire brakes.

Everything is falling apart..

So what's the real plan here?

Well, the Biden administration was the first one that was really open about it, pushing for what was called 30 by 30.

They want 30 percent of all US land and water, under conservation by 2030.

But the real goal is 5050.

50 percent of the land, and the water, in the government's control by 2050.

Half of the country locked up under federal or elite approved protection.

Now, you think that's not going to affect your ability to hunt, fish, graze, cattle. Harvest, timber, just live free. You won't be able to go on those. It won't be conservatives, who stop you from hunting and fishing.

It will be the same radical environmental ideologues, who see the land, as sacred, over people!

I mean, unless it's in your backyard. Your truck. Or your dear stand, you know, then I guess you can't touch that land.

Here's something that no one is talking about, and it goes to the 2030.

The Treasury right now, and they started under Obama, and they're still doing it now.

Sorry, under Biden.

And they're doing it now. The Treasury is talking about putting federal land on the national ballot sheet. What does that mean?

Well, it will make our balance sheet so much better.

Because it looks like we have so much more wealth, and we will be able to print more money.

Uh-huh. What happens, you know. You put something sacred like that, on your balance sheet, and the piggy bank runs dry.

And all of the banks are like, okay.

Well, you can't pay anymore.

What happens in a default?

What happens, if there's catastrophic failure. You don't get to go fish on that land. Because that land becomes Chinese.

You think our creditors, foreign and domestic, won't come knocking?

What happens when federal land is no longer a national treasure, but a financial asset, that can be seized or sold or controlled by giant banks or foreign countries.

That land that you thought, you would always have access to, for your kids, for your hunting lodge, for your way of life.

That is really important!

But it might not be yours at all. Because you had full faith in the credit of the United States of America.

So what is the alternative?

Supreme Court UPHOLDS Tennessee trans law, but should have done THIS

The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 in favor a Tennessee law that bans transgender surgeries for minors. But famed attorney Alan Dershowitz explains to Glenn why “it should have been unanimous.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Alan Dershowitz, how are you?

ALAN: I'm doing great, how about you?

GLENN: It has been a really confusing week. I'm losing friends, I think, because I stand with Israel's right to defend themselves. And I'm pointing out, that while I don't want a war, Iran is a really bad place.

And then I see, the Supreme Court comes out best interest there are three justices are like, I don't know. I think children, you know, can change their identity before we even let them drive or carry a gun. Or enlist in the military.

It's insane!

ALAN: It is insane. Especially since the radical left said that -- 17 and a half-year-old -- voluntary sex with their boyfriend. That would be sexist, that would be horrible.

But they can consent to have an abortion. They can consent to have radical surgery, that can't be reversed.

By the way, the decision is like six to two and a half. Elena Kagan, my former colleague at Harvard, didn't reach the merits of whether or not a state could actually ban these operations on a minor. She got involved in whether or not you need super, duper scrutiny, or just super scrutiny, a kind of, you know, a very technical thing.

But she didn't rule on whether under any kind of scrutiny, the state could do that. So definitely, two of them said that the state could do it, but not necessarily a third one.

GLENN: Okay.

Can you break this argument down? And why it should have been unanimous?

ALAN: Oh, it should be unanimous. There's no question.

States under the Constitution, have the authority to decide medical issues. States decide a whole range of medical issues. I remember when I was a young professor, there was an issue of whether or not one twin could be operated on to remove a kidney, to be given to another twin.

And, you know, that case went all the way through -- the federal government never got involved in that. That was up to the state of Massachusetts. They made interesting decisions.

Some states go the other way.

Half the countries of Europe go one way. The other half go the other way. And just as Justice Brandeis once said that things are the laboratories of Constitutional experimentation.

They have the right to do things their own way. And then we'll see over time. Over time, I predict that we will find that this kind of surgery, is not acceptable scientifically for young people.

And the New York Times had an absurd op-ed yesterday. By the mother of a transgender person.

And it never mentioned. It originally said that the person was now 18 years old.

And the decision does not apply to anyone who is 18.

You know, just wait. Don't make irreversible decisions while you're 12 years old. Or 13 years old.

Because we know the statistics show, that some people, at least, regret having made these irreversible decisions, particularly. Yeah.

GLENN: So why is it -- why is it that the state. Why wasn't the argument, you can't do this to children?

ALAN: Well, you know, that's the question.

Whether or not if the state says, you can do it to children, that violates the Constitution. I think states are given an enormous amount of leeway, this. Deciding what's best for people.

You leave it to the public.

And, you know, for me, if I were, you know, voting. I would not vote to allow a 17-year-old to make that irreversible decision. But if the state wants to do it. If a country in Europe wants to do it. All right!

But the idea that there's a constitutional right for a minor, who can't -- isn't old enough to consent to a contract, to have sex, is old enough to consent to do something that will change their life forever, and they will come to regret, is -- is absurd.

GLENN: So I don't know how you feel about Justice Thomas. But he -- he took on the so-called experts.

And -- and really kind of took him to the woodshed. What were your thoughts on that?

ALAN: Well, I agree with that. I devoted my whole life to challenging experts. That's what I do in court.

I challenge experts all the time. But most of the major cases that I've won, have been cases where experts went one way, and we were -- persuaded a jury or judge. That the expert is not really an expert.

Experts have become partisans, just like everybody else.

And so I'm glad that expert piece is being challenged by judges.

And, you know, experts ought to challenge judges, judges challenge experts. That's the world we live in. Everybody challenges everybody else. As long as all of us are allowed to speak, allowed to have our point of view expressed, allowed to vote, that's democracy.

Democracy does not require a singular answer to complex medical, psychological, moral problems. We can have multiple answers.

We're not a dictatorship. We're not in North Korea or Iran, where the ayatollah or the leader tells us what to think. We can think for ourselves, and we can act for ourselves.

GLENN: Yeah. It's really interesting because this is my argument with Obamacare.

I was dead set against Obamacare. But I wasn't against Romneycare when it was in Massachusetts. If that's what Massachusetts wants to do, Massachusetts can do it. Try it.

And honestly, if it would work in a state, we would all adopt it.

But the problem is, that some of these things, like Romneycare, doesn't work. And so they want to -- they want to rope the federal government into it. Because the federal government can just print money. You know, any state wants to do anything.

For instance, I have a real hard time with California right now.

Because I have a feeling, when they fail, we will be roped into paying for the things that we all knew were bad ideas.

Why? Why should I pay for it in Texas, when I know it wouldn't work?

And I've always wanted to live in California, but I don't, because I know that's not going to work.

ALAN: Yeah. But conservatives sometimes take the opposite point of view.

Take guns, for example.

The same Justice Thomas says that I state cannot have the authority to decide that guns should not be available in time square.

Or in schools. There has to be a national openness to guns. Because of the second apple.

And -- you can argue reasonably, what the Second Amendment means.

But, you know, conservatives -- many conservatives take the view that it has to be a single standard for the United States.

It can't vary in their decision how to control -- I'm your favorite --

GLENN: Isn't that -- doesn't that -- doesn't that just take what the -- what the Bill of Rights is about, and turns it upside the head?

I mean, it says, anything not mentioned here, the states have the rights.

But they -- they cannot. The federal government cannot get involved in any of these things.

And these are rights that are enshrined.

So, I mean, because you could say that, but, I mean, when it comes to health care, that's not in the Constitution. Not in the Bill of Rights.

ALAN: Oh, no.

There's a big difference, of course.

The Second Amendment does provide for the right to bear arms.

The question is whether it's interpreted in light of the beginning of the Second Amendment. Which says, essentially, a well-regulated, well-regulated militia. Whether that applies to private ownership as well.

Whether it could be well-regulated by states.

Look, these are interesting debates.

And the Supreme Court, you know, decides these.

But all I'm saying is that many of these decisions are in some way, influenced by ideology.

The words of the Constitution, don't speak like, you know, the Ten Commandments and God, giving orders from on high.

They're often written in ambiguous terms. Even the Ten Commandments. You know, it says, thou shall not murder. And it's been interpreted by some to say, thou shall not still, the Hebrew word is (foreign language), for murder, not kill. And, of course, we know that in parts of the Bible, you are allowed to kill your enemies, if they come after you to kill you, rise up and kill them first.

So, you know, everything -- human beings are incapable of writing with absolute clarity, about complex issues.

That's why we need institutions to interpret them. The institutions should be fair.

And the Supreme Court is sometimes taking over too much authority, too much power.

I have an article today, with gay stone.

Can had starts with a quote from the book of Ruth.

And it says, when judges rule the land, there was famine.

And I say, judges were not supposed to ever rule, going back to Biblical times.

Judges are supposed to judge.

People who are elected or pointed appropriately. Are the ones supposed to rule.

GLENN: Quickly. Two other topics. And I know you have to go.

If I can get a couple of quick takes on you.

The Democrats that are being handcuffed, and throwing themselves into situations.

Do you find that to be a sign of a fascistic state or a publicity stunt?

ALAN: A publicity stunt. And they would knit it. You know, give them a drink at 11 o'clock in the bar. They will tell you, they are doing this deliberately to get attention.

Of course, a guy who is running behind in the mayor race in New York, goes and gets himself arrested. And now he's on every New York television station. And probably will move himself up in the polls.

So no.

Insular -- I don't believe in that. And I don't believe we should take it -- take it seriously.

GLENN: Last question.

I am proudly for Israel.

But I'm also for America. And I'm really tired of foreign wars.

And I think you can be pro-Israel and pro-America at the same time.

I don't think you can -- you don't have to say, I'm for Israel, defending themselves, and then that makes me a warmonger.

I am also very concerned about Iran. And have been for a very long time.

Because they're Twelvers. They're Shia Twelvers. That want to wash the world in blood. To hasten the return of the promised one.

So when they have a nuclear weapon. It's a whole different story.

ALAN: No, I agree with you, Tucker Carlson, is absolutely wrong, when he say he has to choose between America first or supporting Israel. Supporting Israel in this fight against Iran, is being America first.

It's supporting America. Israel has been doing all the hard work. It's been the one who lost its civilians and fortunately, none of its pilots yet.

But America and Israel work together in the interest of both countries.

So I'm -- I'm a big supporter of the United States, the patriarch. And I'm a big supporter of Israel at the same time.

Because they work together in tandem, to bring about Western -- Western values.

GLENN: Should we drop a bomb?

ALAN: Yes, we should.

GLENN: Our plane drop the bomb?

ALAN: Yes, we should. And without killing civilians. It can be done. Probably needs four bombs, not one bomb. First, one bomb to open up the mountain. Then another bomb to destroy what's going on inside.

And in my book The Preventive State, I make the case for when preventive war is acceptable. And the war against Iran is as acceptable as it would have been to attack Nazi Germany in the 1930s. If we had done that, if Britain and France had attacked Nazi Germany in the 1930s, instead of allowing it to be built up, it could have saved 60 million lives. And so sometimes, you have to take preventive actions to save lives.

GLENN: What is the preventive state out, Alan?

ALAN: Just now. Just now.

Very well on Amazon.

New York Times refuses to review it. Because I defended Donald Trump.

And Harvard club cancelled my appearance talked about the book. Because I haven't been defending Harvard. I've been defending President Trump's attack. By the way, they called Trump to Harvard: Go fund yourself.
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GLENN: Okay.

Let's -- I would love to have you back on next week. To talk about the preventive state. If you will. Thank you, Alan. I appreciate it. Alan Dershowitz. Harvard Law school, professor emeritus, host of the Dershow. And the author of the new book that's out now, The Preventive State.

I think that's a really important topic. Because we are -- we are traveling down the roads, where fascism, on both sides, where fascism can start to creep in. And it's all for your own good.

It's all for your own protection. Be aware. Be aware.

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