RADIOApril 14, 2022

THIS is how the far-left RECRUITS Americans into its CULT

The far-left should no longer be considered a ‘woke’ religion, hyper focused on CRT, COVID restrictions, and gender identity. It’s actually worse than that, Glenn argues. The far-left in America has become a CULT — one that recruits, indoctrinates, and preys on vulnerable Americans in order to further its dangerous ideology. James Lindsay, founder of New Discourses, describes to Glenn the specific signs and tactics used by the far-left that prove this cult — one of the largest ones in human history — is a danger to all Americans the longer it persists...

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GLENN: James Lindsey, author of Racist Marxist. How are you?

JAMES: I'm all right. Given the circumstances.

GLENN: Everyone always has to say that now. Other than the country burning down, I think we're fine.

Okay. So, James, I want to talk to you about the cult dynamics of wokeness or wokism. I've been laying out for the audience this week. We don't have a problem with too much -- not enough religion. We have too much religion. What we're seeing, with environmentalism, and wokeness. And CRT. Race. Everything.

That is a religion. And it's become a cult. Can you explain how -- how -- because you've done serious work comparing CRT, and gender, and everything else, to cult behavior.

So take the process, and -- and break it up for us. How do these people become members of this cult? How has this happened to half our country?

JAMES: Well, I'll tell you, the first thing people need to understand, you're spot-on. So that's good. It is a religion. Marxism is a religion. If you want a nutshell, especially for Christians in the audience, where the gospel of John says that the logos, is the Christ.

The word became flesh, their religion is a religion of pathos, of emotion, of feeling, of fear, as a matter of fact.

So they have a religion of pathos. It's the largest cult startup in human history, because they've been able to propagandize. So the way you get people into a cult is by manipulating their vulnerability.

It's a very simple process. You make them feel vulnerable about something. And you give them that vulnerability through the doctor. One of the things -- and you'll probably be surprised since we're talking about Marxism that I will bring up here. Is you can tell people, for example, there's a very dangerous virus. This virus is incredibly dangerous. But if you just start wearing a mask, then you will be safer. So you give them a lot of concern, a lot of vulnerability. You make them afraid. And then you tell them something they can do.

And then that will help them protect themselves. Then you tell them, oh, no. It's much worse than we thought. You have to stay home. Oh, no. It's much worse than we thought. You have to get this vaccine. Then step after step after step, you ratchet up the vulnerability, and you give them something in line with the doctrine that they can do, to commit to. And if they do it and if everybody else does it too, then we'll be okay. And that manipulation of vulnerability is exactly how you induce somebody into a cult. And if you want to mass induce a cult, you can see what we did in the media over the last two or three years.

GLENN: So why is it though, the left is susceptible to this, and I guess the right is -- we have their own cult-like kind of things. But when we're talking about let's just say, the masks. It only worked on half the country. At least, it's only still working on half the country.

JAMES: Well, there's been a very long running program. I still think that this is kind of the master key to everything. I've studied communism now for a number of years. And you hear this again and again. Whether it's Mao Zedong or it's Lenin. It doesn't matter. The right-wing people. The right-wing people. The right-wing people. That's the problem. And they've been laying tracks for years, that whatever the political right wants to do is either evil or dumb or uninformed.

GLENN: Right.

JAMES: Or propaganda. And so conservatives equals bad, is actually the -- the big cult. Right-wing equals bad is the big cult. So it's very effective. To get people to fall -- this is called social identity theory. And social psychology.

Get people to fall into two tribes, or multiple tribes that are kind of against one another. We've been laying tracks. I often like to blame Jon Stewart correctly for this. From The Daily Show, as a matter of fact. To make it out, that conservatives are always dumb, always bad intentioned, always bad people.

So you find otherwise smart, intelligent people, who identify as white liberals. Who, in utter fear of being identified as a conservative, will go along with whatever the establishment says. They also just aren't skeptical of that yet. CNN is TV. It's news. They aren't skeptical of that yet. So when they come and say, here's this thing. It's very scary. They get panicked. And then they get drawn into that pathos, to doing what they're being instructed to do, to resolve that feeling of comfort.

GLENN: So the first step is you find something that connects with people emotionally. You show them, wow, we're really vulnerable. This is really bad. But if you just do this. Then you keep moving them down the road. More and more demanding and insidious traits of the cult. And they just kind of are a frog, boiled slowly. The second step is indoctrination. Right?

JAMES: Yeah. That's right. So, for example, the switch examples of the virus and anti-racism, critical race theory.

You tell somebody, that you know these little things that you're doing in your life is racist. They definitely feel vulnerable.

They start getting pulled in. You give them, at some point, a lot of material to read. Not just something they can do, like you can do better. But now you need to read this book by Robin DiAngelo. That explains racism and white fragility. You need to read this book by Ibram Kendi, that tells you how to be an antiracist. You need to start going to these meetings at work, these DEI meetings, and listening to what they have to say. And you just have to start hammering the cult doctrine over and over and over again.

While in the background, you're still running this vulnerability cycling. And then you can really just get people to just get sucked into the worldview, as a matter of fact. That the cult has -- has decided to occupy. And so that -- that is an indoctrination phase. You're still using the vulnerability to get them pulled in deeper and deeper. And to separate, at this point, people who disagree with them. But you also will start to ask them to read large amounts of cult literature. Exposing them to large amounts of information one way or another.

GLENN: Let me push back a little bit. And I'm playing devil's advocate here. But there was a problem in the Jefferson administration. And the problem was the -- the war in Libya. Against the Barbary pirates. And he wanted to explain that this was crazy. And very, very dangerous what was going on. And so he wanted the -- the Koran published in its entirety. Not clips. And so they published the Koran here in the United States, in English. And he said, you have to read this, because this is a threat. And they won't stop. We might stop them this time. But they will continue to come at us. Until God says enough, or we destroy it.

Why is that not a cult. Giving you lots to read.

JAMES: Yeah. I spent most of my day reading Marxism, in some form or another. And Marxism is a gigantic cult. So it's possible to study a cult doctrine, without being pulled into the vulnerability cycling. The -- if the woke call me racist at this point, it doesn't make me feel vulnerable. I think I must have stumbled on something right. So it adds confidence. So I want to understand, so reading through the materials of a cult. That you can understand how the cult thinks. Is not necessarily the same thing, as being pulled into it. Or made to conform into it. As pain of excommunication or pain of abuse, et cetera.

GLENN: So the difference here, Jefferson made people fear. They said, okay. This is a real problem. Here's what you need to do: You need to understand.

But then there was no indoctrination. No making you feel like a bad person. You have to have those other things, correct?

JAMES: Yeah. The Jefferson get the Koran published and tell you, you're not a real American. And you have to leave, if you don't read it. No, of course not. You left the liberty side open. Whereas, you know, if you start getting pulled into the critical race theory cult, they tell you, you need to read Robin DiAngelo, and you refuse to do it, or Ibram Kendi, and you refuse to do it. Well, that's just you trying to protect your racism. That's just you trying to protect your access to whiteness. That's just you trying to keep the status quo. Or your own benefit from it. So they pull that -- see, that's that emotional vulnerability thing that they start ripping on you again. The second you don't comply. Now, if we go back to the masks, if you don't want to wear a mask, you want to kill grandma. We'll never get out of the pandemic if you don't wear your mask. You're hurting everybody, and that's the difference between a cult, and giving people information about something going on. And letting them choose to study it or not.

GLENN: And it is also the reason why they say the -- the conversation is over. The discussion is up. The science is settled. The earth is going to be destroyed. And if you don't agree, you want everybody to die a horrible death.

JAMES: Yeah. And you're just selfish. And want to ride out your last few years with your pickup truck. Having a good time not caring about anybody else. That's the emotional manipulation they're using to bring people into that doctrine.

And like I said, they give you something to do, every single time, which is going to involve reading a lot of literature, to resolve your feelings of tension. Although, these books will bring you further into that. Which will then help you facilitate how you need to be an antiracist better. Or too your part. Or whatever it happens to be, for the greater good.

GLENN: Okay. So when we come back, I want you to talk about deprogramming. Because that's the hard part. And, James, tell me if I'm wrong here.

We've been approaching this with reason and with political arguments. And every time we get mad. Every time we push back, that's what they expect us to do. And so they're prepared for that. They're not prepared for understanding and kindness. With disagreement. And we keep making the problem worse, by the tactics that we currently use. Because we think, it's a normal conversation. But it's not.

It's a conversation with people who have already been brainwashed. Correct?

JAMES: Yeah. That's more or less correct.

GLENN: Okay. So tell me where I'm less correct, when we come back. And so I make sure I understand it clearly. Then show us how to deprogram people. What are the tactics that would help free people back into their own -- in their own choice, and reason.

All right. So, James, can you take us through deprogramming? And why don't we use gender theory as an in?

Can you do that?

JAMES: Yeah. We can give that a go. Deprogramming is extremely hard. I don't want to give people false hope. That we can just -- you'll listen to the program and just talk to people, and they're going to suddenly realize that there are two genders. And everything is great.

GLENN: Right.

JAMES: Yeah. It turns out to be very difficult. Usually what you have with people in a cult, is they have a very sealed, if you will, belief system. So there's an excuse for everything. You say this, they have some excuse for that. And if you want to get to the deprogramming, one of two things has to happen. Either, you have to say something that gets them to kind of go cross-eyed for a second. Where they don't have their hermetically answer available. Or something has to happen in their life that shakes them up a little bit, and causes them to have that initial doubt. It all starts with an initial doubt in the doctrine. Something they can't resolve. When one of those things happens -- this is where I've said, more or less correct, you wanted me to explain how you're a little less correct. They're not totally hermetically sealed. So when somebody experiences doubt, they are also experiencing starvation for reality. They're very hungry for an explanation for what's going on around them. They may only be able to digest so much. For example, many people who have voted Democrat their entire lives right now, are noticing that the sexual grooming going on in the schools, and the cult grooming, which is by and large, more than the sexual grooming that's happening. When they see that, they see something is off.

They know that childhood innocence is something important, something to protect. That children should not be sexualized. Or gender identities, or identity confusion, as a matter of fact. That's where you're going to find that break. And that's when you can start to have an open and honest dialogue. Because they'll be starving for truth. They might not be ready to hear that the Marxists have run a sexualization of children program to overthrow society, since the 1920s, when Derks Lucoch (phonetic) did it in Hungry. They may not be ready for that.

GLENN: I don't know if I'm ready for that. But God bless you for knowing it. So where do you start?

JAMES: Well, you have to start where they are expressing confusion. When you hear somebody say, for example. And you will hear this very many times. What's going on here?

And then you tell people, well -- where you consult with that is with the gender saying, some very bizarre beliefs about gender have taken hold. And the people who have taken a hold of them. Have decided that they have to put into children as early as possible. And then if you really want to throw a wedge in there, you can point out. Everybody says, it's to protect LGBT kids, who don't have maybe the support at home. Or whatever. If you actually read their literature about it, which is why you do have to do what Jefferson and get informed, you'll see they say in their own words that queer theory, which is what is actually informing this, is not about creating a stable LGBTQ identity. It's, in fact, about creating an identity that stays fluid and never solidifies. And if that alarms you about a child, or seems to open them up to grooming, then we can talk further.

GLENN: James Lindsey. He's the founder of new discourses. You can find this at newdiscourses.com. Newdiscourses.com. And he's also the author of race Marxism. Both, I urge you to check out. Back in a minute.

Will Medicaid cuts KILL Americans? Glenn reveals the FACTS!

Democrats claim that the Big, Beautiful Bill will take Medicaid and Medicare away from many Americans and even “kill” people. But is any of this true? Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere review just the facts and explain who’s actually affected by the changes.

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GLENN: Can I address some of the hyperbole around the big, beautiful bill, just a little bit.

If there's anything in the big, beautiful bill to worry about, it's the increase in spending.

Because the spending ourself into oblivion is an actual threat.

To the country. But that's not what anybody is talking about. What everybody seems to be talking about is the tax cuts. Which were already there. Or the tax cuts like no tax for tips. Which you would think the party of the little people. You know, the Democrats. Would all be for. But they're not.

Because they're not party of the little people anymore. And those had to be offset.

Okay. Offset. By what?

Well, by cutting spending. But cutting what spending?

Not cutting spending. Let me just say this. If I said, you know, I made $250,000 a year. And this year, we were going to spend $300,000.
Okay?

And you would say, immediately, Glenn. You can't do that.

And I would say, I've been doing that for 30 years. Okay. You might say, the bank is not going to give a loan.

But then if I came to you and said, yeah. I'm spending $300,000 a year. And my wife and I make 250 or 200,000 a year. But, you know, next year, I was going to spend $500,000.

Did you get a raise? No. I didn't get a raise. I still make 250,000 dollars a year between my wife and I.

But I'm going to spend 500 and not 300. And then somebody came in, like an accountant with some muscle.

And they said, Glenn, you cannot spend $500,000 a year!

Would it make sense if I went back to spending 300, not 200, which I had.

But 300, which I had been spending every year, would it make sense to you to -- for me to say, my children are now going to starve? My children are now going to starve.

Look at the austerity program that I am on.

My gosh, they just -- no. They didn't cut anything. They must cut thinking.

They cut the increase inning spending.

That's what they cut.

And, Stu, could you please explain Medicare.

I mean, all of the people. I know they warned us.

I didn't believe the death squads would actually go out.

And, you know, they want these people off Medicare so badly.

Or Medicaid.

They just sent out death squads. Trump is not waiting for them to die, because he's not waiting for them to get their prescriptions now he just wants them slaughtered in the street.

STU: Yeah, that's the efficiency of the Trump administration. He wants these people dead so badly, he's just killing them in the streets. Actually, no, none of that is happening.

And the Medicaid cuts as you point out, are largely cuts to future increases that have not occurred.

The biggest chunk of this is the work requirements. You've heard this, Glenn.

And, you know, I went through this. And I was like, this can't possibly be what they mean.

I said, wait a minute. When they say work requirement cuts, what does that mean?

So I dove into it a little bit. Basically, what they're saying, you, if you're an able-bodied adult, so that does not include old people, does not include people who are sick and can't work. And it also does not include people who have small children, even if they are able-bodied.

And when I say small, I mean 12 and under. So if you have a 12-year-old. You're completely exempt from this.

But able-bodied adults.

GLENN: Okay. On people in wheelchairs.

STU: No. Gosh, again, I know this is tough. Yeah, this is where it gets difficult.

GLENN: Wait. I'm having a hard time following this. What now?.

STU: So you're an able-bodied adult, that does not have small children.

GLENN: No small children.

STU: You would be required to get Medicaid, to work 20 hours a week.

Now, you might --

GLENN: Twenty hours a week.

STU: Or 80 hours a month.

GLENN: Or 80 hours a month.

That's almost half a full-time job.

STU: Now, you might say to yourself. And this is actually true.

Some people can't get jobs. Right?

I'm sure, there are people trying to get part-time jobs. And maybe can't get them.

Those people will just lose their Medicaid. Well, as you may understand.

Of course not.

Because what you have to do then is go through a process, that you're basically telling them, you're attempting to get a job. Or you're volunteering somewhere, to meet that requirement.

So basically, you have to fill out -- yeah. It's like unemployment.

You have to at least fill out some paperwork here.

GLENN: It's the exact opposite.

Let me see if I have this right.

It's the exact opposite of unemployment which we've had forever.

Which if you're looking for a job, but can't get it. You can still have unemployment.

But it's the exact opposite. Right?

Especially if you're nursing sextuplets.

STU: Again, you're not very close to the truth.

You're a little bit off on this one.

GLENN: No. Huh!

STU: By the way, Glenn, you might say to yourself, wait. How is that a Medicaid cut?

Because they're not cutting anyone's eligibility here. Unless they don't want to meet the requirement.

Of course, there's always been requirements to all of these programs.

So meeting the requirements have always been part of getting on to Medicaid.

This requirement, if you decide basically not to do it. And not participate. And not fill out the paperwork.

Then, yes. You will lose your Medicaid coverage.

What they're saying, hold on. All right.

GLENN: No. I just want to make sure I have it right.

STU: Yes.

GLENN: If you are blind, you're deaf.

STU: No. Again, no.

GLENN: You have no friends, and you can't get out of the house, and you've been on Medicaid, somehow or another, you signed up for that. But now, you don't even know, because you can't hear the news. You certainly can't fill out a form. Because you have no eyes.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: They just come in and rip your Medicaid away?

STU: No. None of what you said is accurate.

Though, it is calm considering some of the accusations -- comparisons made bit left right now.

But, yeah.

So if you are an able-bodied adult that decides, you know what, I don't feel like filling out the paperwork, or I don't feel like going to job interviews, or I don't feel like volunteering, then yes. You could lose -- but that's what they're saying the cuts are.

They think 317 billion dollars worth of people will not bother doing those things. For whatever reason. Maybe because they had more money than they said. Maybe because they're lazy.

Maybe because -- I'm sure there's some case where some -- I don't know.

I can't think of the case.

GLENN: Blind person.

STU: Because the ailments are covered here.

But, yes. Maybe it's some particular skin color. Then they would reject you.

I don't know.

And it's not just that. There are other cuts. For example, some of the cuts are, they're eliminate duplicate Medicaid enrollment.

If you happen to have Medicaid.

GLENN: I can't double-dip.

STU: In two different states. They're going to try to stop you from having it in two states.

And instead, make you have it one state. Uh-huh.

GLENN: Hold on just one second.

I have two legs. I have two arms. I have two eyes. I have two nostrils. I have two ears.

I can't have two Medicaid coverages. It's insane!

STU: I know.

It's really, really brutal.

GLENN: I have two kidneys. I can only have one kidney now, you know, repaired?

STU: Now --

GLENN: Is that what you're saying?

STU: That's not what I'm saying. But, yes. I'm sure that's what's being reported out there by Dana Bash.

Another one, I will give you here, Glenn. They talked about immigrants.

You know, immigrants getting on their Medicaid cut. Now, this is tough. What this bill does, I want you to hold on to your hat here, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: If you have green card holders and other certain immigrants, some will lose their coverage. Or actually, sorry, eligibility will -- retain for those people.

Certain other immigrants may lose their coverage. The current law says, all who are lawfully present.

That will kick in after a -- how many year waiting period?

Let me guess, it's a five-year waiting period.

So it will be the next president who has to deal with this, when future Congress will just put it right back in. And it's not a savings at all.

And then you have Medicaid death checks. They're going to require --

GLENN: They're checking on whether your debt? Look at this! It's crazy.

STU: It's brutal. It really is.

GLENN: You're going to kick all of the immigrants off in five years.

STU: No.

GLENN: And then you're checking to see if old people are dead!

When will you leave these people alone?

STU: I know. So, anyway, we can go through this stuff all day. But as you point out, most of this stuff is not at all, what the left is saying it is.

It's not the desperate Medicaid cuts that are going to ruin everybody's lives. A lot of them are just really common sense stuff, making sure you don't have them in two states. I don't know what the positive argument is for that. But they'll make it.

GLENN: Well, they don't have one. That's why they don't make it about that.

Liz Wheeler demands Trump FIRE Bondi after Epstein list debacle

The Department of Justice and FBI are now claiming that there NEVER was any Epstein client list and nobody else needs to be charged. But what about Attorney General Pam Bondi’s previous claim that the list was on her desk?! BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler, who had been given one of Bondi’s ill-fated “Epstein Files” binders, joins Glenn Beck to discuss how the MAGA movement should react to the claims made by Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino.

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GLENN: Liz Wheeler. Liz wrote to me early today. Let me see if I can -- may I quote you here, Liz?

LIZ: Yes, you may. Thanks for having me, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay. Yeah. You bet. She said, give me one good reason why I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today? And this was at 5 o'clock in the morning. And I said, I'm sleepy. But I don't think I can.

I don't think I can give you a reason not to -- not to call for her firing today. But I want you to explain, why do you feel this way?

LIZ: It's not something that I say lightly. I didn't say it immediately after the White House, Epstein binder debacle. And I want to very prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case to President Trump too. Because Pam Bondi has become a liability to her administration, despite her loyalty in other areas. So let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night.

A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement. It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us. We see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice. And it grates on us.

Because like you mentioned, we are friends with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.

They're the good guys. We trust them.

And yet, we have to use our critical thinking faculties and look at the evidence before our eyes.

So it smells fishy. You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset.

Which, as you mentioned, Alex Acosta, the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein. Said he was, before Accosta's emails mysteriously disappeared. So we have questions about that.

There are also outstanding, important questions about Kash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive pronouncement, that Epstein killed himself.

I'm sorry. I don't think the video that they released proves definitively that they were stating that case.

GLENN: Why?

LIZ: Because it does not show what's happening in the cell. It just shows the cell door. We don't actually see him kill himself.

GLENN: Right. But we know that nobody came in.

LIZ: Through that door.

GLENN: Where are they going to go true, the little bars? Little drag la? A little bat.

LIZ: I don't know what the internal cell looks like. I don't know what they have. I don't know if they have fire escape routes. I don't know if they have adjoining doors. I don't know if they have emergency exits. I don't know if that video was doctored or not.

I don't know enough about that, to simply take that one piece of evidence.

GLENN: Okay. So that's a good point.

Just show us the room. Show us what's inside the room.

LIZ: Yes. We need more evidence.

GLENN: That's reasonable.

LIZ: One piece of evidence.

It's not enough.

GLENN: Yeah.

LIZ: The other thing, I wonder with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigation to the FBI of old is a reliable narrator. I don't know who conducted those investigations, or if it was done soundly. I doubt it was done soundly.

GLENN: So may I just interject here.

LIZ: Yes.

GLENN: I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off-air. And, Glenn, we are turning over every stone. We are going to get to the bottom of it.

We are -- so, I mean, he led me to believe that, and I believed him. And I still do.

That he was using new resources. Opening the investigation in -- in a new way. Following it closely.

And I do believe Dan Bongino is one of the good guys.

LIZ: I do too. And I've been told the same thing by high-ranking officials in the FBI. Who I trust. They're trustworthy people.

I do think, that it might not be possible at this point, to piece together everything, because we know there have been reports of evidence, destruction.

So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it.

This 100 percent happened this way. Epstein killed himself. Instead of saving, we don't have enough evidence to piece this together, or the evidence we have points to this.

All that being said, though, I want to talk about what happened last night.

Because this brings to us attorney general Pam Bondi, who just months ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

When I went back to look at that video, the clip of her on Fox News, again, this morning, to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on the air.

I went back and listened to it. She said definitively, she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it.

That is a really big problem. If I'm president today --

GLENN: Okay. Let me play this, from Bondi. This is back in February. Here is the actual statement she made.

Listen.

VOICE: The DOJ may be releasing the list of Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

VOICE: It's sitting on my desk right now, to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files. MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed, because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

VOICE: So have you seen anything, that you said, oh, my gosh?

VOICE: Not yet.

VOICE: Okay. Well, we'll check back with you.

GLENN: Okay. So now let me take you back to Kash Patel. Because something similar was said to me. Here he is. Cut 12.

So who has Jeffrey Epstein's?

VOICE: Black book? FBI.

GLENN: But who?

VOICE: Oh, that's under direct control of the director of the FBI. Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting. The Catholic school. We still haven't seen that, right?

It's not the Nashville police or PD saying, we don't want this out. The FBI airmailed into that operation and said, this is not getting out. Because they do that because this is another government gangster operation.

All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI from local programs. And if you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this.

That's a lot of money from these local districts. That's how they play the game. That's why you don't have a black book.

GLENN: Because the black book, it's not just sitting. That's Hoover power times ten.

VOICE: And to me, that's a thing I think President Trump should run on. On day one, roll out the black book.

And not just that, on day one, all the text messages and communications we were told were deleted. On day one, play the rest of the video of the pipe bomber.

You know, he needs -- one of the reforms I talk about in government gangsters.

Is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying. This is another thing they do. They overclassify.

They are not telling you -- as a former number two in the IC, they overclassify 50 percent of the stuff there to protect the Deep State.

Oh, no.

You can't see that. Nothing to see here.

Gina was a master at it. Of doing it. And we haven't seen half of the Russiagate report we wrote. Still under lock and key.

On how the ICA was originally constructed. We went -- we put 10,000 man-hours against John Brennan's team that did it.

And we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusions. We couldn't sell it with the world.

Because we couldn't talk about it. And the government cancers came in and buried it.

All of these things, there needs to be a continuing central power whether it's the White House or off-site that says, every request that comes in.
Just right out the door. As long as it's not awe major threat to national security.

VOICE: Liz, they're both very clear.

It existed. But Pam Bondi did not say, she had any names in it.

She kind of made me feel like she hadn't really looked at it.

Kash Patel gave me the impression, he had seen it. Or at least he knew about it.

So how do we go from here?

VOICE: Yes. Listen.

People care deeply about the Epstein files because there was a grisly crime that we know for a fact that was committed.

Epstein was convicted of that.

It wasn't speculative. He was convicted of that. People feel that there's evidence of a cover-up. Not -- we're not inventing a conspiracy. There's evidence of a cover-up of this crime.

Pam Bondi as attorney general has exacerbated this trust. And it gives me no pleasure to say this. Because I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side.

But going back to that day in the White House, this February. I haven't told this part of the story before.

Attorney General Pam Bondi, when we met with her. We weren't at the White House to meet with her. We just met with her while she was there.

Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history.

She said, she had made it. She had printed it. She was proud of it. She placed it on that binder.

Glenn, to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year. There is no way, in my mind, and I've tried every way to Sunday, to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night with the Department of Justice.

Pam Bondi told us at the time, she said, I've requested the Epstein files, the files in the binder, were the ones given to me. Nothing was in them, she told us at the time. Then a whistle-blower told her, she told us. And said the FDNY was hiding other files. That's the story she had told us, that there's been a Deep State cover-up. So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited. Right? You give your side the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Pam Bondi will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched to say the least.

But she -- this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before. She said, she had not seen the FDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them.

I asked her directly that day in the White House. When she said, a whistle-blower told us about these truckloads of FDNY documents. I said, have you seen them? She said no, she sent the request and they're brining them to her.

So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior.

How could she give the American people -- not just me. I don't care about how this impacts me. How can she give the American people those binders that contain nothing, while at the same time, bragging about the cover sheet that she made.

The most transparent administration in history. And tell us that the FDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a Deep State cover-up. That was the real story she told us. Only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing.

So it leaves us with this situation. What are the options? The options are, well, was she herself set up by some Deep State FBI officials trying to make a fool of her? It's possible, maybe even probable.

GLENN: Possible.

LIZ: But here's the thing, if you're smart, if you're savvy, if you're sharp enough to be Attorney General of the United States, you verify such information.

You don't assume its veracity and publicize it for clicks. And that's what she did.

So then we get to the point, that we think, okay. Well, what does this say about her judgment?

Is she just click thirsty? Is she wanting to be a Fox News star? Did she get out over her skis, trying to make news, being a mega champion with those binders, that maybe she had not verified the contents of, and she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the FDNY truckload. You can't square this announcement with the binders. With the binders in February, unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable, when on Fox News. Said she had a client list on her desk to review, when she hadn't looked at the documents.

And was just saying that to be a television star. I say this. In somewhat sorrowfully. If I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore. She's become a liability to the administration. I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill this whole debacle has cost them with their voters.

And Pam Bondi is not worth it. She's a liability. It's time to move on.

The INCREDIBLE TRUE Story of Benjamin Franklin

Was Benjamin Franklin the greatest and most modern Founding Father? This July 4th week, “The Greatest American” author Mark Skousen joins Glenn Beck to tell the incredible and true story of Benjamin Franklin.

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GLENN: Dr. Mark Skousen, friend of the program, friend of mine. America's economist.

He is -- he has written a new book on the greatest American and the greatest American, he says is Ben Franklin. And I tend to agree with him. He's at least in the top five greatest Americans. Welcome to the program, Mark. How are you?

MARK: I'm doing well. We're out here in the Mediterranean Sea right now on a cruise, but isn't it great technology that even Ben Franklin would love?

GLENN: You know, I don't think people really understand the genius of Ben Franklin. I mean, there's this great article in the times of London.

I don't remember when. But he was going back to London. He was going to challenge the king.

And he was going back. And they said, don't let his boat come in to dock.

Because he's been working with electricity, and he has a ray gun, and he will vaporize, you know, all of London.

I mean, he was -- he was the Elon Musk of his day, but he was almost more magical, because people didn't understand it.

Back then. What did you find in writing this book about Ben Franklin, that you think most people just don't know?

MARK: Well, this is the thing. So when I wrote the greatest American, I thought to myself, everybody -- lots of books have been written on his biography.

So what I did was I came up with 80 chapters on how he is the most modern of all the Founders. And how he could talk about the modern issues of today, whether it's trade or taxes or inflation or war. Discrimination. Inequality.

I have a chapter on each one of these, in the greatest American.

And, you know, he was a Jack-of-all-trades.
And the master of all, on top of it!

So one of the things I thought would be really cool, if you put my book, on every coffee table in America, and people came in to visit, they would look at this book. And there might be an argument, as you say, as to who is the greatest American. Whether it's George Washington or Elon Musk, or what have you.

GLENN: Whatever.

MARK: When they see the picture of Ben Franklin, they sit there and nod their head. And say, wow. This is the guy I want to sit down with and talk to.

And have a beer with.

Because if you sat with some of the other Founders, they would get in an argument with you. Or they would refuse to answer the question. Or what have you.

But Franklin was willing to talk to a janitor, as well as the king of France. And that's pretty unique.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. He could.

He was an amazing guy. So tell me, in your research of him, you know, you always hear that, oh, Ben Franklin was a notorious womanizer, and everything else.

And he abandoned his wife. Deborah? Was that her name?

MARK: Yes. Deborah. That's correct.

GLENN: Did that -- what's true, or what's not true about that?

MARK: So he certainly was the most liberal-minded when it came to the sexual revolution.

That's why I say, he's the most modern of the Founders. Because he was not prudish like John and Abigail Adams, who thought he was a reprobate. And sinner. And not a churchgoer. And stuff like that.

GLENN: Right.

MARK: So, yes. He was -- the ladies loved him. And he loved the ladies.

There's no question about that, that he was a bit of a playboy. And, in fact, he even admits in his autobiography, of having an illegitimate child, William. But then he settled down. He married Deborah. And, yes, Deborah and him, they did separate because -- and it was really more her fault than his, because when he went to London as a London agent, she had extreme aversion to going out on this -- the seas. It was a dangerous time period.

So it's kind of like people don't like to fly on airplanes today. So they did grow apart. There's no question about that.

But they maintained their -- their love for each other.

And, as a matter of fact, when Franklin died, he's buried right next to Deborah. So I think that's an indication of their -- their love and so forth. But they were very different personalities. She was very focused on -- on more of the home issues. She was not a public intellectual.

She would not feel comfortable in the same conversations that Franklin would have with scientists.

And with public thinkers, and stuff like that. So they definitely differed in their personality.

GLENN: The -- the story about his son William is one of the saddest chapters.

I mean, you know, Thomas Paine kind of looked at him as a father figure. And he -- you know, Ben Franklin did have a son, William, as you said. And they -- they had a really bad falling out.

Can you quickly tell that story?

MARK: Yeah. So I have a chapter on that very issue. Because who were his enemies, and he did have a number of enemies, including John Adams, at one point. But in the case of William, he, Franklin, arranged for William to be the governor of New Jersey. And he maintained his loyalty. He was a loyalist. Billy was throughout the American Revolution!

And at the end of the American Revolution, or during the American Revolution, Franklin writes his son and he said, it's one thing to -- we can differ on various issues.

But when you actually raise money, raise armaments to attack me, this was beyond the pale.

This is not something that you should have done. And then at the end of his letter, he says, this is a disagreeable subject!

I drop it. So you can feel that emotion, that anger.

And, yes. He removed him from -- from his will.

So there -- there -- Franklin got along with almost everyone.

And I have a whole chapter on how to deal in the greatest American. How to deal with enemies and be how to make your enemies, your friends.

But this was one example where he just couldn't cross over and forgive him. For what the -- for what we had done.

GLENN: I don't think --

CHIP: Just like you are saying.

GLENN: I think I would have a hard time doing that too if my son was raising funds and military against me. It would be kind of hard to forgive.

Mark, thank you so much for your work. It's always good to talk to you.

The name of the book is by Mark Skousen. And it is called The Greatest American. It's all about Ben Franklin. If you don't know anything about Ben Franklin, you will fall in love with him. You will absolutely fall in love with him. Mark Skousen is the author. The name of the book again, The Greatest American.