RADIOJune 02, 2025

Is this why Elon Musk left DOGE?

Elon Musk has left Washington, DC, and his post at DOGE earlier than many expected. So, what happened? Is Elon still friends with Donald Trump? Did the negative reports that have recently dropped push him out? Or was it something else? Glenn Beck explains why he believes Elon may just be sick of congressional Republicans, who have refused to cut enough spending, despite DOGE’s findings.

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STU: Glenn, do you think, when you're looking at the DOGE legacy. When you look at Elon's legacy. And when I mean legacy, I don't mean the actual legacy of what seems like about 40 children at this point.

I'm talking about how he'll be remembered by the public. The DOGE cuts, they're going to send some little sliver of them in a separate bill now, to Congress.

GLENN: Yeah. That pisses me off.

STU: $8.5 billion. Now, of course, it's much harder to pass a separate bill, and it's only $8 billion. Who do you blame for this?

GLENN: The G.O.P. The G.O.P.

STU: What does that mean?

GLENN: I think that very few of them are serious about it. Some of them are.

You know, Mike Lee is very serious about it.

Rand Paul is very serious about it.

STU: Chip Roy. Thomas Massie.

GLENN: Chip Roy.

Massey. They're all serious about it. But there's a handful of them. And the rest of them, you know, are either too stupid to get it.

I mean, we've spent a lot of time on our debt this week.

And what it means, and what's coming. If we don't get serious about it.

And there's $190 billion that -- that Musk, you know, said, we can cut all this stuff.

And nobody wants to do it. I mean, if you can't -- if the Republicans can't cut the easy stuff, what good are you?

Really, honestly, what good are you.

I mean, there should have been. It would have been nice to get to 900 -- 900 billion. Or a trillion dollars in cuts.

That would have said to the world, we're serious. And it would have put us on a completely different course.

Than the one we're on right now.

And, you know, Donald Trump is going to do his best to grow us out of this. To set up the conditions for AI and everything else. And bring manufacturing back here to America, yada, yada.

To try to grow our way out of this debt. But you have to cut. And, you know, I'm just sick of the Republicans. Just sick of them. Sick of them.

Okay. So wait a minute. You needed to have the House and the Senate, and the White House.

Well, you've got all three.

Now, what is your problem?

You don't have a big enough spread.

You're not doing anything.

You're not doing anything.

STU: Well, they're continuing much of the spending from the Inflation Reduction Act.

That's something.

That's --

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

You can't cut that out.

You can't cut that out.

You can't say, we're going to go back to the spending that we had in 2019.

You can't do that.

STU: Yeah. Or at least -- we'll even increase the spending for all of the programs that existed when Joe Biden took over.

But the stuff that he passed, that is brand-new. That people aren't used to. And depending on for years and years and years and years. We will get rid of the rest of the spending from those programs.

You can't even do that?

GLENN: No. You can't -- you can't --

STU: That's horrible.

GLENN: The money that hasn't gone out, you can't say, we're not going to send that out. You can't even say that.

STU: You can't say that. Some of that -- some of that, they pulled back on.

That's true.

And, of course, there are a lot of good things in this bill.

I think you would agree, at least continuing the tax cuts. I know we would both like more.

If you let those expire.

That would be devastating to the economy.

GLENN: Devastating.

STU: What do you make of the criticism from some.

This goes mostly towards the right, who are more hawkish on the budget. And such.

That look, it's true.

Republicans did not put this in this bill.

But Donald Trump could demand this is in this bill.

And there's no sign that the Republicans would not take him on up on what his demand was. There's no reason to believe they say no to him, if he would demand it.

He's not made a big deal publicly, pressuring lawmakers to include the DOGE cuts.

GLENN: Yeah. So I do have concerns about that.

I mean, you know, he should have pushed harder for that. I agree with that.

I'm not sure that the Republicans would have gone along with it.

Because, you know, if you -- you -- you do have a -- an argument, first of all. You cut. You have all of those Republicans, that are part of the game there.

And have their favorites. And they don't want anything cut.

Okay? Sorry, gang. Everybody will have to lose something.

I think if he would have made this his priority. Priority. It would have -- it would have happened.

But I don't think that is his priority.

It -- his priority is elsewhere.

And there are some things in this bill, that will strengthen his priorities, for instance, tariffs.

And that was, you know -- he was more focused on that, and I think more hopeful that maybe the Congress would do their job.

And they would care about the spending.

But he's not a guy, ever, that has ever talked about debt or deficit.

He has not believed there is ever a debt or deficit that is too big.

He believes that the problem is that the economy is not roaring.

So let's open the economy.

And we will make that money in tax revenue, and we will be able to afford these things.

I don't happen to believe that.

I believe it to some degree.

I think we have to -- we must make cuts. But that's never been his thing.

Tariffs always happen.

He's never talked about the debt and deficit to any real degree.

It's not his thing.

STU: Yeah. And that's not -- he didn't run on that initially. I mean, he cares about that, at some level.

GLENN: Republicans have. Republicans have. Yes.

STU: Over and over again.

Let me ask you about the Musk relationship there.

Elon, there's definitely, I think, a clear effort by the media to portray this departure by Musk as this adversarial sort of situation. That they are -- they have grown apart.

They don't like each other anymore.

There's been leaks about Trump saying that he was angry at Musk for trying to get some briefing on some China issue.

You know, that -- that, you know, a lot of the people inside the White House didn't like Musk.

And some of that -- yeah. That certainly is true at some level.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

STU: Do you think that they still get along?

Is there this separation?

GLENN: Yeah. No. I think those two get along.

They're thick as thieves.

I think they are in many ways, two peas in a pod. They understand each other, unlike I think a lot of people could understand either one of them. And I think they are friends.

What's interesting, he's, what? A month away from his July 4th goal?

He said he was leaving in July. He said, I hope to have this done by July. And, you know, I'm not going to be staying for very long.

And then on the anniversary, next year, July.

We'll have cut X-number amount.

He's -- he's a month away from this July.

And I think he just got frustrated.

And I don't necessarily think -- necessarily with the president.

Maybe. But I don't think.

He just got very frustrated.

Like, nobody is serious.

Why would I take all the hits that I'm taking right now. Why would I put my car company in danger.

SpaceX in danger. You know, risk the reputation to everything that I hold sacred and dear.
To do all of this hard work, and sleep on the floor.

I mean, he was sleeping on the floor. To sleep on the floor, to right the ship on this.

And nobody is serious.

Screw you.

I think that's where he is.

That's where I would be.

Screw you. I'm not doing it anymore.

STU: I think that's part. Also, we're talking about some of the people in the White House.

In the surrounding apparatus that don't occasion don't appreciate Elon Musk.

Some of that has been public.

A lot of it has been behind the scenes. You're now getting, that's departing. The hit pieces.

Things being leaked about Musk. The recent one today, this is in the New York Times, that Musk was using drugs at high levels.

Listen to this.

Listen to this paragraph. Mr. Musk's drug consumption went well beyond occasional use. He told people he was taking so much ketamine, a powerful anesthetic, that he was affecting his bladder. Known effect of chronic use. He took ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, and he traveled with a daily medication box that held about 20 pills. Including ones with the markings of the stimulant Adderall, according to a photo of the box, and people who have seen it.

Now, how many people have taken photos, Glenn, of your medication box?

I would say that's not common, unless it was trying to destroy you in the media.

GLENN: Right. Right.

STU: So, I mean, is that what this is, basically?

Everyone who had a problem with Musk, while he was there.

Now that he's out, they all believe he can leak stuff negatively to the press, to destroy stuff.

GLENN: Let me give you another perspective on why they're trying to destroy him.

The people in the White House.

In a situation like this, and really any real powerful situation.

You -- everybody jockeys for a position.

I want to be next to the boss.

I want to be next to the boss.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: A new guy has come in, has not played the game.

Nobody really knows who he is.

He doesn't may by the rules. And he'll just go right into the White House.

And he will walk right into the Oval. And say, yeah. I didn't talk to any of those guys.

Listen, I want to talk to you about this.

That must drive the career people, out of their ever loving mind.

It's got to drive them crazy!

What is he -- what is he saying to the president?

We've been working. All of us have been working so hard to get the president to go, this, this, and this.

What did he just say?

What did he say?

That's the real problem, I think the people in the White House have with Donald Trump.

Is his access. And his ability to connect with Donald Trump, one on one, without any filter in between.

They like filters.

People like filters. Between the -- the top and access to the top.

STU: Oh, we learned about this with Joe Biden.

When he was president. Even his own cabinet secretary.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Love that filter.

STU: Yeah, different kind of way to do it.

Is there a part of this that is just germane to the way Trump has kind of constructed his White House. Which is like, you know, a lot of good things come out of it.

Where he has a bunch of different sort of factions. Right?

And he has a bunch of people around him who really --

GLENN: You mean like a team of rivals?

STU: A team of rivals.

He has that. And I think, at its best, there are really good things that come out of that, right?

When people who really care about the country, are arguing the best things.

The best policies, to go forward. The best approaches.

On the downside. There are always people out there, just out there to cut people's throat. So they can get closer to Donald Trump. So they can have that access.

Is that what's going on partially?

GLENN: Yeah, I think so.

I think Elon Musk is probably pretty pissed because he realized, a lot of people aren't serious.

And I just risked a lot.

You know, if Donald Trump got in. And all the people that he trusted, that he put around him. And they're all like, no. We're with you, 100 percent.

And was it the same kind of situation it was last time. I think he would be pissed. I think he would be really pissed. You know, who the hell can I even really trust?

Now, he risked his life. I think Elon Musk is risking his life to stay.

But he's certainly risking his career. And his companies.

And everything.

All around the world. He's got a bad name now. And I -- I just think, you know, if I'm risking my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor, and none of you are serious, I would say, screw you, in a heartbeat. And I think that's really what it comes down to, myself.

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Cracker Barrel CEO breaks silence on logo controversy in exclusive interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

And the immediate response was, "Get her!"

I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

THIS Epstein quote could PROVE Trump’s real ties to the scandal

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

It will always -- and probably, into our children's lives.

Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

It's going to happen!

It's just one of these conspiracy theories, that will never, ever go away.

Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

What did he mean?

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.