RADIOJune 13, 2022

Why this attack PROVES the left's losing the abortion debate

CompassCare Pregnancy Services in Buffalo, New York recently endured a VICIOUS attack from the far-left. The building was destroyed, CEO Jim Harden tells Glenn: ‘Glass was broken and fires lit, because we do not comply with the ruling elite's position,’ he says. But a strike like this may be proof the far-left is fully aware actions taken by the pro-life movement are WORKING: ‘The abortion industry is scrambling,’ he says. Plus, Harden describes what YOU can do to help this center continue to provide important healthcare for women...

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GLENN: You know, I -- I was telling somebody who was up here at the ranch yesterday, we were talking about how to solve America's problems. And I said, one of the biggest things we have to do. Is we have to return to the philosophy of George Washington. We have to be people of merit. We have to merit and earn the -- the right to even be able to ask God, can you help us with our problems?

And that doesn't mean doing the things we want to do. That doesn't mean, getting God on our side.

God is, believe it or not, on everybody's side. However, he can only help the people that are walking in his footsteps. Especially when we are facing evil. You can't have anything to do with evil. And malice. And revenge. And anger. Those do not come from him. So we need to look for things that we can do. And I'm on a kick this year, to this audience. I would like to see us raise enough money to save 50,000 children from being aborted. And I'll tell you about it later. But we have to have these centers around. And they are coming under attack. This is the third now pregnancy service, that has been attacked. This up, just happened outside of Buffalo, I believe. It's up -- up in upstate New York. And the CEO, James Harden is on with us now. It's Compass Care pregnancy services. And so you know, James is a guy, who has really done so much for life. He has -- he came up with the first measurable and repeatable medical model in the pregnancy center movement, which has helped hundreds of centers nationwide become more effective at reaching more women and saving more babies from abortion. There's a reason that they selected his abortion center. Their Buffalo office was the one that was hit. Welcome to the program, James Harden.

JAMES: Glenn, it's an honor to be with you. Thanks for having me on.

GLENN: You bet. So tell me what happened, first of all. This happened in the middle of the night. Everybody is safe, right? What happened?

JAMES: This is the pro-abortion Kristallnacht. What happened was gas was broken, and fires lit, because we do not comply with the ruling elite's position, that we should be referring and providing for abortion.

Women do not feel like they have a choice when they are facing a pregnancy. They feel stuck, trapped, like they've got no choice. Like they need to have an abortion. And what we do, is we erase the need for abortion, by transforming what we see in confidence, with ethical medical care and comprehensive community support, throughout the pregnancy and beyond. And they targeted women that night. They targeted women. This is a -- it's heinous. The building is totally destroyed. We got essentially 25 percent fire damage, 100 percent smoke damage. It's going to take months to repair. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. But, you know, the church in Western New York has rallied. We didn't lose one single patient that day, and we've relocated to a secure, undisclosed location, and we're serving patients, serving patients and up and running yesterday. They meant to shut us down, and we soldiered on.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I can't believe we're living in the days that I never really, truly could understand, when I would read and good would be evil. And evil would be called good.

Look at what's happening. You're going underground, because you refuse to kill children.

JAMES: Exactly right. I'm with you 100 percent, Glenn. I can't believe we're living in these days, either. When good is called evil. And evil is called good. Everything is upside down. And what's bothering me right now, is that there are politicians, that are refuse to go denounce the violence against pro-life pregnancy centers. They're refusing to say, hey. This is wrong.

Violence is wrong everywhere, all the time. This is not how you solve problems. And their silence can only be interpreted as complicity, and it's emboldening these terrorists.

GLENN: Yes.

JAMES: This is a national --

GLENN: Okay. So -- I know it is. So tell me what's happening in New York.

The governor of New York, earmarked millions of dollars to help pay for, you know, women to travel to New York for abortions. They're allocating more money to beef up security, for abortion providers. And they don't even seem really interested in finding out who did this, with you.

JAMES: No. The FBI is involved. The FBI has been involved since before the firebombing. Because we have threats. And they knew it was coming.

And Kathy Hochul. Governor Hochul has refused to denounce the violence against pro-life pregnancy centers. Furthermore, she added insult to injury, by getting the legislature to pass a bill to investigate pregnancy centers. What is that? She should be vetoing that bill.

GLENN: What do you mean investigating pregnancy -- what are they investigating you for?

JAMES: For -- for how we're potentially harming women's ability to access health care, and their -- in unmet resource needs. We are their health care and unmet resource need provider. And they are going to investigate -- they need to redirect the funds that they're sending to this investigation, to investigate the true criminals. Where is Letitia James, the attorney general? Why isn't she investigating criminals that are --

GLENN: If you live in New York, you need to be on the phone, with your legislators and your governor and the attorney general, probably most importantly. And ask them where they are. Why are they not investigating these things?

The -- on your building, Jane was here, was spray-painted on the building. What do you know about the group that is Jane's revenge, and how sure is anybody that they were the ones that did it?

JAMES: Well, Jane's Revenge is the organization that has been inciting violence against pro-life activity, specifically pro-life pregnancy centers. Jane's revenge refers to Jane's collective. Which is an underground abortion, you know, activist group, in the 1960s, in Chicago.

And they provided abortions out of people's houses. And so Jane's revenge, is afraid that Roe vs. Wade is going to get reversed, and they're doing everything they can with respect to using terror, to shut down any kind of pro-life activity.

But, you know what, when Roe vs. Wade. As you know, Glenn. If Roe vs. Wade is reversed by the Supreme Court in the coming weeks, it doesn't end abortion. It just concentrates abortion off-state, like New York. We're already seeing women coming from Texas, to receive services here.

GLENN: Right. You -- you are going to live in a state. Because I -- you know, when the regulator is off. And they feel like they -- they're making a point. I'm telling you, they're going to start killing children after birth. They're just going to let them die. And it will be totally legal to do that.

And the choice will be clear for so many people. Are you going to be a part of a state that is -- that is actually involved in this evil. Or will you go some place, and give your tax dollars to their place, that is doing the opposite?

And trying to save lives. And, you know, it's interesting, Jim. You know, I've been doing some workable with preborn.

And you are cut from the same cloth, I think. And it's -- it's not just about saving the baby. It is the aftercare and the care that goes all the way along, with the child, that is so important. That nobody is -- nobody on the left will do.

JAMES: Exactly. No. No. I defy anyone to find an abortionist, who will provide any care, other than what they get paid for. And that's only abortion. They will only do abortion, and they're only going to get paid for it. But we do everything for free. We provide all this ethical medical care and comprehensive community support for free. They're not lifting a finger for these women. They're not providing -- you know what abortion is? Abortion is abandonment. That's society's way of saying, we don't want anything to do with this. But the community rallies around women through pregnancy centers, pro-life pregnancy centers. Because we believe, we believe that everyone is made in the image of God. And therefore, equally, valuable and deserving of protection. That's where dignity emanates for the human being. And we've lost that. Because we've lost the belief that we all, human beings are the crown of creation, and must be protected. Even the people, that live in the dark. And firebombed our clinic the other day.

Those people are also made in God's image, and deserving a blessing of protection. And we're calling them out to life.

GLENN: Jim, how can we help you? First of all, let me just ask the audience.

Please, if you have money. And I know money is tight. So you have to be careful where you're giving money. But I'm telling you, God's blessings will rain down on us. If we are protecting God's children.

All of God's children. If we don't strike out in violence. If we live the teachings of Jesus Christ. And we help on this front.

It -- it may be the difference of survival, and not. For our nation.

So erasing the need.com/donate.

The money will go to compass care pregnancy services, so they can continue their work. They can rebuild and be secure. Erasingtheneed.com/donate.

Please, first thing, make a donation. What else can people do?

JAMES: What else can people do? They can pray. Pray for wisdom. Pray for strength. Pray for unity. Pray that the violence will end. Also, people can act. Beyond giving. Certainly, they can -- they can give. We have a national strategy. And our strategy is working. And that's why we've been attacked. We know that the abortion battle lines are shifting. And the abortion industry is scrambling. And the reason why they attack us, is what they're doing to reduce abortion, is working. And we have a model to expand services and infrastructure throughout New York State. To handle the increased load. We're at Buffalo, Rochester, Albany, expanding into the city. It's working, Glenn. And we've got a model -- all the abortion states to follow. And they know it. And what you can do, everybody can do this. Everybody can go to prolifepregnancycenter.com and sign a petition that will go to Joe Biden and other politicians like New York Governor Hochul, demanding that they denounce the violence to pro-life pregnancy centers, and veto this heinous, nefarious, frivolous investigation bill against pregnancy centers in New York.

GLENN: I never thought, Jim, that pro-life and -- and this fight would be the thing that would bring us together.

JAMES: Yeah.

GLENN: I always -- I always saw it as a divisive issue. And I spent many years of my career, probably half of my career, not even talking about abortion. Because it was so divisive.

But I have to tell you, I think it is the thing that will in the end, unite us. And unite us in a way of peace. And -- and healing.

JAMES: Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Abortion represents a flash point of culture, that forces us to think about the value of humanity.

You know, abortion represents a fundamental misunderstandings of what it means to be human under God. And if we take the lessons that we're learning right now, society can -- can rehumanize. We can return to civilized order. You know, the only way to do this is to follow in the footsteps of Christ. He died on the cross for us. But we can put up a center before God, who would die of exposure of our sins. And he said, I'm going to die for you. But you can go and do likewise. Go and do likewise for the weak and vulnerable. There's no one weaker in our society. No one in our society, than a woman who thinks she has been no choice but to end the life of her child. And the child in her womb, whose mother thinks she has to abort. There is no one weaker. And that is how you walk in the footsteps of Jesus. You serve them, you love them, you protect them, you bless them.

GLENN: Thank you so much, Jim. You feel free. Keep our number. You call me any time you need anything. All right?

JAMES: Thank you, Glenn.

GLENN: Is your staff mentally okay?

JAMES: Our staff, our morale is high. But I can tell you, we're getting a little tired. We've got a lot of work ahead of us. But no one is flagging -- no one is failing. Everybody is doing a fantastic job. And the people, New Yorkers in general, are rallying. It's a wonderful thing to see. You know what Satan means for evil, God will turn for his good.

GLENN: Yes, he will. Jim, thank you very much. It's Jim Harden, CEO Of Compass Care Services. You can donate and help at erasingtheneed.com/donate.

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The Book of Enoch: Did Extraterrestrial Beings DESCEND in the Days of Noah?!

The Book of Enoch tells a story the Bible only hints at: A story of heavenly beings who descended to Earth, took human wives, created hybrid giants, and unleashed forbidden knowledge that corrupted the world before the Flood. Glenn Beck and researcher Timothy Alberino break down how the ancient Hebrew worldview explains the Watchers, the Nephilim, the origins of demigod myths, and why Peter and Jude referenced Enoch directly in the New Testament. From extraterrestrial terms in Scripture to the cosmic “family of God” and the divine rebellion that reshaped human history, this discussion reveals a forgotten narrative that once defined early Jewish and Christian theology. What really happened in the days of Noah, and why does it matter now?

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Cracker Barrel CEO speaks out about DISASTROUS logo in exclusive upcoming interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

And the immediate response was, "Get her!"

I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

THIS Epstein quote could PROVE Trump’s real ties to the scandal

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

It will always -- and probably, into our children's lives.

Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

It's going to happen!

It's just one of these conspiracy theories, that will never, ever go away.

Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

What did he mean?

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.