Video of the dayAugust 19, 2024

"Ezra's Eagle Prophecy" EXPLAINED: Is It About Trump, Harris, & America?

There’s a prophecy in the ancient apocryphal book of 2 Esdras that some believe is about the United States. The “Ezra’s Eagle prophecy” details a 3-headed eagle whose feathers were believed to represent a succession of Roman leaders. But “A Remnant Shall Return” author Michael Rush believes the feathers might be leaders of a powerful End Times country — specifically, America. Rush joins Glenn to lay out his interpretation of the Ezra’s Eagle prophecy, including why he believes it details the history of U.S. presidents since Herbert Hoover. But do the feathers on the Eagle’s shorter left wing represent Trump, Biden, and Kamala Harris? Was the Deep State prophesied about over 2,000 years ago? And is it even a true prophecy? Glenn and Michael break down why we may soon know for sure …

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GLENN: All right. I want to introduce to you Michael Rush.

He is an author. A Remnant Shall Return is the book that we're going to be discussing today.

And it's all about a prophecy of Ezra's eagle. And I think, Michael, you're one of the first to say, I don't know. This could all be wrong.

We won't know until, you know, it's -- it's proven right or wrong, correct?

MICHAEL: Yeah. Absolutely. In fact, I would be the first to say, that I absolutely hope that this is not true.

GLENN: Me too.

But it is -- it is pretty fascinating.

First, would you explain what the Apocrypha is, for people who don't know?

Yeah. Absolutely. So the Apocrypha is the list of 14 books.

And prior to the turn of -- just prior to the turn of the 20th century. The Church of England yanked it from all King James Bibles. But prior to that point. It was included as a supplement between the old and New Testament. From 1611, to just before the -- the 20th century. So when the Pilgrims came over, on the Mayflower. I mean, this was included in their Bible.

So it's something that, you know -- you know, a couple hundred years ago, people were much more familiar with, than they are today.

Today, you, you know, most people don't know much about it at all. The Apocrypha. Go ahead, Glenn.

GLENN: Go ahead. No, no, no. Please.

MICHAEL: Yeah. So one of the reasons why Apocrypha was called out by the Church of England, was because it has errors in it. I mean, there are historical inaccuracies and things.

So, I mean, that's one word of caution.

That should always accompany any time you're reading an Apocrypha book. It's not included in the canonite Scripture for a reason.

GLENN: Okay.

And the book of Ezra is the first book of the Apocrypha. The first and second book.

And it is a cousin or a brother of Daniel. Is that -- is that the connection?

MICHAEL: Well, so. If you look at Ezra, and Daniel, these are both people that were taken captive into Babylon. When Babylon came in and conquered Jerusalem. So they're brothers in that sense. I don't know that they're related.

But, you know, they're -- they're brothers in that Babylonian sense.

GLENN: Okay. Okay.

So there's a couple of reasons why I think people are attracted to, you know, end times prophecy.

One, because we're commanded to. To be aware of the signs of the times.

So you know what's approaching. But also, I think some people just like to dabble in this.

Because they're looking for a sign that God is aware of the situation.

And it's explainable on what's going on. Because the world makes no sense. So they're looking for a connection, to God.

So you are the only one. This -- Ezra's Eagle was known to be, or thought to be, Rome for a long time?

Is that right?

MICHAEL: Yes. That was the common belief. In fact, they attribute this to first century AD. Largely because. Because he's talking about Rome.

GLENN: Right.

But it doesn't really work for Rome. And the -- the only real question I have, on this. Is how you came up with -- well, explain what the eagle is, and what the feathers are, first.

And then we'll talk about how you assigned a date to that.

MICHAEL: Okay. So the vision starts with Ezra seeing this large eagle coming up out of the ocean. And the eagle isn't normal. It has three heads. And two massive wings. And on the right wing, it has 14 feathers. But 12 of these feathers are long. And two of them are short.

And then on the left side, there's just six little feathers. And fortunately, Ezra has this angelic guide that's with him.

And he kind of points things out to Ezra. And explains the meaning. And one of the things, that the angelic guide explains to Ezra, is that this eagle represents a powerful kingdom, that will have global domination, in the end times.

And he -- he goes on to explain, that the feathers are on the respective wings represent the leaders of this country.

And, you know, so there's -- there's 20 consecutive leaders, and they serve one after another.

So right out of the gate, you know, this is -- this is something of a time line. Have it's a countdown, beginning with the first feather, and going to a big prophetic event, that allegedly will take place in the last days.

GLENN: So it is -- it's fascinating to me, because what caught my attention, was the pegging of those feathers to US presidents, is stunning.

However, you have to take a leap of faith. Because it doesn't go all the way to back to George Washington.

I think you're the only one that has pinned. Were you the first to come up with this? To pin it to Hoover?

Yes.

MICHAEL: Yes.

GLENN: Yeah. So --

MICHAEL: Yeah. Go ahead.

GLENN: Okay. So you've -- you've pinned it to Hoover, as the first feather. And I want you to explain that. But I -- I want to make a disclosure here. This is a part where Michael and I share, and our faith.

Our faith teaches us that in the end days, there will be a secret combination. It will be, you know, basically the Deep State.

And that kind of sets the clock ticking.

And the Book of Mormon, is just history. But a -- really, an outline of what things are going to look like, as we approach the latter days.

And it's shockingly accurate, to what is happening today. And that is how you came. This is the only more mon part of it. If I'm not mistaken.

You pinning this to Hoover.

How did you get there?

MICHAEL: So really. It's pinned to Hoover because of the incredibly specific language regarding the second feather in this series. So the verbiage of the prophecies says, you know, paraphrasing, says that the second leader will serve twice as long as any other, leader of this country.

And that's before the end of his official administration.

None other would be able to serve unto the half of the time that he served

So, I mean, that's incredibly specific language. So it's really this that caused us to hone in on Hoover.

Because there's only one presence in the United States, that this could possibly be talking about.

And it's Franklin D Roosevelt. Who was elected four terms in office. He died of natural causes, in his first. Or in his fourth term.

But Congress passed the 20 Second Amendment. To the Constitution.

Before his official court term concluded, barring all future.from serving more than two years.

So, I mean, this is just what locked it in for me. Because this is incredibly specific.

GLENN: Right. Yeah. You know, when you started with FDR, and then you go through the feathers which we will in a second. It is incredibly specific. And nails our presidency, the secession of presidents, exactly.

But also, if I may, it was the council of foreign relations, that really. During the Hoover times.

That it really took a hold.

And that kind of plays a role, later. In the prophecy. When you switch to the other wing. If you will.

So explain the feathers, and how they are marked for each president.

And what lines up.

MICHAEL: Yeah. So, you know, that -- that -- it starts with Herbert Hoover.

And, you know, as you mentioned, if you Google, you know, founding members of the foreign relation. The Council on Foreign Relations.

Herbert Hoover comes up. So that's, you know, very interesting, in the context of this.

And you talked about secret combination. If you read in the Book of Revelation, in chapter 17, John sees this amazing vision of the horror of Babylon.

And I -- I think that this is what is the underlining context. Of what's going on, in this vision.

It's not so much a vision about these presidents, as it is the rise and infiltration of this country by this whore of Babylon. And that's why, it starts with Herbert Hoover in my opinion.

So then it goes through. There's, as I said, there's 14 feathers on the right side.

And, you know, this -- these 14 feathers seem to be counting down.

And the specific, you know, language of the prophecy, gives some other very curious information with regards to two short feathers, that would be amongst these 14. And the specific language is that by the time you see the second of these two feathers, you'll be approaching the midpoint of this time line.

So when you look at, you know, starting with Herbert Hoover.

GLENN: Herbert Hoover. It's hard.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Herbert Hoover. I go to the 14th president, Barack Obama.

So when you look in there, for two presidents, who have -- were short feathers.

Meaning, in the verbiage of the prophecy. A short feather is someone who has had their administration cut short by contrary or nefarious, means.

And I attribute that to the -- you know, involvement of this whore of Babylon terminating their presidency, prematurely.

So you look at this list. And you go. You know, it jumps right out at you.

That you've got JFK. Who was assassinated.

Ask then you have Richard Nixon, who was force Todd resign.

Now, as you go through this time line, Richard Nixon is 45 years into it.

And the prophecy again says. When you see the second of these -- you'll be halfway through this time line.

And then you look at Barack Obama. Well, that was about 43 years later.

So that, again, just matches up, perfectly, with, you know, what Ezra is talking about here.

So not only do you have the -- you know, the FDR, and these two short -- you also have these two short feathers. And it's really hard for me to just kind of brush those things aside. And say, yeah.

This is -- this is really just talking about Rome or something else. Because it's so applicable to American history. Somewhere, yeah. And again, that doesn't mean that it's right. It just means that so far, it's nailed everything in the prophecy.

But the second part of the prophecy, when you get specifically to Donald Trump and now this administration, and then what happens from here, is stunning.

And, you know, five years ago, I would have said, well, that's going to be hard.

I could see all of this happening. I could also see it not happening.

But it's not a far stretch to think that these next few feathers, if you will. These next few events that Ezra talks about, in Apocrypha. It's -- it's plausible, and possible that it comes.

GLENN: We're talking to Michael Rush. He's an author of the book, A Remnant Shall Return. Which has been out for a long time, but has now started sweep, at least in my community, in Idaho, and people are talking about it. And they say the same thing.

Everybody says, I have no idea, if this is real. But it is fascinating, how it all lines up.

And I really appreciate Michael, your approach on this too.

That you're saying, I could be wrong.

I hope it's wrong. But it is interesting to look at.

So you get to Barack Obama. And then you start to get up to Donald Trump. And in these feathers, that are on this one wing of Ezra's eagle. It's showing all the presidents. And in the last one, on one side, would be Donald Trump.

Right?

MICHAEL: Correct. So with -- the first 14 feathers are on the right side of the eagle. And so now Donald Trump is the first feather on the left wing of an eagle.

GLENN: Okay.

MICHAEL: And the -- all of the -- the thing that all of the feathers on the left side of the eagle has is they're all short.

Meaning, if my interpretation of this is true, all of their administrations will be cut short by the machinations of this whore of Babylon.

GLENN: And Donald Trump, you could only say his -- he was cut short, if he was to serve two terms. And there was nefarious purposes. Right? Because he served his whole term.

MICHAEL: Well, so -- this is where you have to look at, what this means. To be cut short.

Does it mean, you only have one term?

Does it refer to the length of office?

And I don't think that's what defines a short feather. Because you have, you know, long feather presidents that serve one term or two terms. I think that the definition of what makes a feather short --

GLENN: Yeah. Okay.

MICHAEL: -- is whether the Deep State terminated their presidency.

So when you look at -- and we're talking about a prophecy that is at least 2,000 years old. So it is so eerie how it mirrors these things. So when you look at -- go ahead.

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GLENN: So 2,000 years ago, there was a prophecy. By Ezra. Ezra is mentioned in the -- no. He's not. No. Ezra is the first two books of the Apocrypha. And he talked about a great empire, that is going to be destroyed, near the end times. And he describes seeing this empire coming out of the ocean. Which is interesting. And it rises out. It has three heads. And it has a bunch of feathers on one side. And very few feathers on the other side. This lines up now, according to Michael Rush. And I have read this over and over again from a really old copy of the Apocrypha, and it does line up. And if you start with Hoover, it goes and nails FDR. It -- it says, there will be -- their time in office or in control will be cut short. And that one is JFK and Richard Nixon. And then Donald Trump, cut short as well.

Now, what happens after that, Michael?

MICHAEL: Yeah. So one other thing that I think is important to bring up about this vision. Is that Ezra heard the eagle speaking. But the voice, or the sound wasn't coming from its head. So it was coming from its bowels.

And the -- and his angelic guide goes, Ezra, did you notice that? Did you notice the voice that is coming from this country's bowels?

This signifies that this country will be in a period of great distress, and at the point of collapse. So that's -- that is a very interesting additional, you know, background to what we're going to talk about next.

GLENN: Okay.

MICHAEL: So we're now talking about the first short feather on the left side of this eagle, the left wing, which would be the presidency of Donald Trump.

Which according to this vision, his presidency would have been to have cut short. And I believe, by the intervention of the whore of Babylon, or the American Deep State. So you have the 2020 election. Which, you know, whatever you think happens there. One thing is for sure. That it was the most, you know, contested election in probably American history.

You had over 10 percent of states. And alternate delegates. To the electoral college.

That's never happened at that scope before.

And their explanation? You know, they said there's widespread fraud in those states.

So it's -- if you just -- you know, oh. He started four terms. That's it. This prophecy is fake.

Okay.

But if you look at it from that perspective, then you would have to say, okay.

Trump was a short feather because this election, there was something, you know, not right with it. And it was stolen.

GLENN: You could even not use the election. But you could talk about how he had been thwarted the entire time. By the Deep State.

And even COVID. That he didn't accomplish all of the things that he was set to accomplish. Because of the interference of the Deep State. So you could read it that way as well.

But I hate to make. You know, let's not water this down even more. You know, if it's -- if it's accurate, we'll see.

Because what happens next?

MICHAEL: So next. Again, we have some very specific language here. It says that the next short feather, which would have to be Joe Biden.

Says that his time in office. He's away, even faster than Trump was.

So when you're looking at current events.

You know, right now.

This is -- this is very timely.

Right.

There are many people who think that Joe Biden hasn't been calling the shots for a long phylum

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: So it's just very curious. But then the very next thing that it says, is that there will be two that -- short feathers, that think in their hearts, to be set up.

So they're just thinking about it.

In my mind, this means, they want to be the president, but they are not set up. So we're talking about. We could be talking about an election scenario here. And in that case, you would be talking about Kamala and Trump again.

And the specific verbiage is, that as they are so thinking in their hearts, the three heads of the eagle awake and devour them. And then they take control of the country from that point forward.

And --

GLENN: So does this have to happen before January 20th?

MICHAEL: Well, so January 20th would be when you would swear in the next president of the United States.

GLENN: President, right.

MICHAEL: So for Biden to be away sooner than Trump, then, yeah.

It -- if Biden, you know, completes this, then I -- I don't know how you could, you know, say on its face, that this prophecy was correct.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: Again, this is -- this is from the Apocrypha.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: But how it lines up, is astounding.

GLENN: Remarkable.

However, like you just said, we're going to know, one way or another, if -- if Joe Biden doesn't make it to the 20th. That's a point I guess in its favor. I hate to say, you know -- is a really bad thing.

Because then the next thing, and do they serve or not? So this would have to happen before a swearing in too. Where the Deep State would devour those two, right?

MICHAEL: Correct. So basically, what this prophecy is -- if it is real, what it's saying is that their -- you know, whoever wins the election, will not be set up as president. They will be devoured.

Something will happen. What that is, I don't know. If this is true, we'll know when it happens.

But it will put the three heads of this -- said another way. The leadership of this Deep State will now be calling the shots overtly.

GLENN: Deep State. Known to everyone.

MICHAEL: Known. Yeah. There are no more masks, they're not operating behind the scenes.

GLENN: Okay. So now if you thought that was a trip to fun land, wait until you hear what happens to the heads of the eagle.

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Salena Zito reveals WHY Trump said “Fight! Fight! Fight!”

“I have a new purpose,” then-candidate Donald Trump told reporter Salena Zito after surviving the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. Salena joins Glenn Beck to reveal what Trump told her about God, his purpose in life, and why he really said, “Fight! Fight! Fight!”, as she details in her new book, “Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland”.

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GLENN: Salena, congratulations on your book. It is so good.

Just started reading it. Or listening to it, last night.

And I wish you would have -- I wish you would have read it. But, you know, the lady you have reading it is really good.

I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are. That I think I've ever read, from anybody.

It's really good.

And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well. Welcome to the program.

SALENA: Thank you, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me.

You know, I was thinking about this, as I was ready to come on. You and I have been along for this ride forever. For what?

Since 2006? 2005?

Like 20 years, right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

SALENA: And I've been chronicling the American people for probably ten more years, before that. And it's really remarkable to me, as watching how this coalition has grown. Right?

And watching how people have the -- have become more aspirational.

And that's -- and that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?

It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

And chronicling them, yeah. Has been -- has been, a great honor.

GLENN: You know, I was thinking about this yesterday, when -- when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

No. The Tea Party was not going to start a new party.

It was to -- you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing. And it worked in many ways. It didn't accomplish what we hoped.

But it did accomplish a lot of things.

Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

I truly believe that. And a lot of the people that were -- right?

Were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.

SALENA: That's absolutely right.

So that was the inception.

So American politics has always had movements, that have been just outside of a party. Or within a party.

That galvanize and broaden the coalition. Right? They don't take away. Or walk away, and become another party.

If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost a Republican Party.

Because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways. And the Tea Party didn't go away. It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party. Because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

It was independents. It was Democrats.

And just unhappy with the establishment Republicans. And unhappy with Democrats.

And that -- that movement is what we -- what I see today.

What I see every day. What I saw that day, in butler, when I showed I happen at that rally.

As I do, so many rallies, you know, throughout my career. And that one was riveting and changed everything.

GLENN: You made a great case in the opening chapter. You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump.

And how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump.

Changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train, until this.

SALENA: Yeah.

GLENN: Moment. What do I -- what changed? How -- how did that work?

And -- and I contend, that we would have much more profound change, had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was. Pragmatism

SALENA: You know, and people will find this in the book. I'm laying on the ground with an agent on top of me.

I'm 4 feet away from the president.

And there's -- there's notices coming up on my phone. Saying, he was hit by broken glass.

And to this take, that remains part of this sibling culture, in American politics.

Because reporters were -- were so anxious to -- to right what they believed happened.

As opposed to what happened.

And it's been a continual frustration of mine, as a reporter, who is on the ground, all the time.

And I'll tell you, what changed in that moment.

And I say a nuance, and I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.

But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation, that I had with President Trump, the next day. He called me the next morning.

But it's a powerful conversation I had with him, just two weeks ago.

When he made this decision to say, fight, fight, fight.

People have put in their heads, why they think he said it. But he told me why he said that. And he said, Salena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump the man. I was a former president. I was quite possibly going to be president again.

And I had an obligation to the country, and to the office that I have served in, to project strength. To project resolve.

To project that we will not be defeated.

And it's sort of like a symbolic eagle, that is always -- you know, that symbol that we look at, when we think about our country.

He said, that's why I said that. I didn't want the people behind me panicking. I didn't want the people watching, panicking.

I had to show strength. And it's that nuance -- that I think people really picked up on.

And galvanized people.

GLENN: So he told me, when he was laying down on the stage.

And you can hear him. Let me get up. Let me get up.

I've got to get up.

He told me, as I was laying on the stage. I asked him, what were you thinking? What was going through your head? Now, Salena, I don't know about you.

But with me. It would be like, how do I get off the stage? My first was survival.

He said, what was going on through his mind was, you're not pathetic. This is pathetic.

You're not afraid. Get up.

Get up.

And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight, of that by the time that he's standing up, he's thinking, I'm a symbol? Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol, this looks pathetic. It makes you look weak.

Stand up. How do you think that actually happened?

SALENA: He thinks, and we just talked about this weeks ago. He -- you know, and this is something that he's really thought about.

Right? You know, he's gone over and over and over. And also, purpose and God. Right? These are things that have lingered with him.

You know, he -- he thought, yes.

He did think, it was pathetic that he was on the ground. But he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump. It's pathetic.

He's thinking, my country is symbolically on the ground. I need to get up, and I need to show that my country is strong.

That our country is resolute.

And I need people to see that.

We can't go on looking like pathetic.

Right?

And I think that then goes to that image of Biden.

GLENN: You have been with so many presidents.

How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with, would have thought that and reacted that way?

SALENA: Probably only Reagan. Reagan would have. Reagan probably would have thought that.

And if you remember how he was out like standing outside.

You know, waving out the window. Right?

After he was shot.

GLENN: At the hospital, right.

SALENA: Had he not been knocked out, unconscious, you know, he probably would have done the same thing.

Because he was someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism.

And American exceptionalism does not go lay on the ground.

GLENN: And the symbol.

Right. The symbol of the presidency.

SALENA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that affects him today.

GLENN: So let me go back to God.

Because you talked to him the next day. And your book Butler.

He calls you up.

I love the fact that your parents would be ashamed of you. On what you said to him.

The language you used. That you just have to read the book.

It's just a great part.

But he calls you the next morning. And wants to know if you're okay.

And you -- you then start talking to him, about God.

And I was -- I was thinking about this, as I was listening to it. You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't -- I wasn't a Christian.

Even though, he was.

I wasn't a Christian, when I was elected. I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

Is -- is -- I mean, I believe Donald Trump always believes in God, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you think there was a real profound change at Butler with him?

SALENA: Absolutely. You know, he called me seven times that day. Seven times, the take after seven.

GLENN: Crazy.

SALENA: Talked about. And I think he was looking for someone that he knew, that was there. And to try to sort it out.

Right? And I let him do most of the talking. I didn't pressure him.

At all. I believed that he was having -- you know, he was struggling. And he needed to just talk. And I believed my purpose was to listen.

Right? I know other reporters would have handled it differently. And that's okay. That's not the kind of reporter that I am.

And I myself was having my own like, why didn't I die?

Right?

Because it went right over my head.

And -- and so I -- he had the conversation about God.

He's funny. I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

But he had talked profoundly about purpose. You know, and God.

And how God was in that moment.

It --

GLENN: I love the way you -- in the book, I love the way you said that as he's kind of working it out in his own he head.

He was like, you know, I -- I -- I always knew that there was some sort of, you know -- that God was present.

He said, but now that this has happened.

I look back at all of the trials.

All of the tribulations. Literally, the trials.

All of the things that have happened. And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.

SALENA: Yes. He does. And it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations with him. Because I'm telling you. And y'all know, I can talk. I didn't say much of anything.

I just -- I just listened. I felt that was my purpose, in that moment.

To give him that space, to work it out.

I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

I'm Catholic. I followed my faith.

And -- and so, I thought, well, this is why God put me here. Right?

And to -- to have that -- to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Salena. Why did I put a chart down?

I'm like, sir. I don't know. I thought you were Ross Perot for a second.

He never has a chart. And he laughed. And then he said, why did I put that chart down?

By that term, I never turned my head away from people at the rally. That's true.

That relationship is very transactional. It's very -- they feed off of each other.

It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally. Because he has a way of talking at a rally. That you believe that you are seeing.

And he said, and I never turn my head away.

I never turn my head away.

Why did I turn my head away?

I don't remember consciously thinking about turning my head away. And then he says to me, that was God, wasn't it?

Yes, sir. It was. It was God.

And he said, that's -- that's why I have a new purpose.

And so, Glenn. I think it's important, when you look at the breadth of what has happened, since he was sworn in.

You see that purpose, every day.

He doesn't let up.

He continues going.

And it brings back to the beginning of the book.

Where you find out, that there was another president that was shot at in Butler.

And that was George Washington. And how different the country would have been, had he died in that moment.

And now think about how different the country would be, had President Trump died in that moment. There would be --

GLENN: We're talking to -- we're talking to Salena Zito. About her new book called Butler. The assassination attempt on President Trump. And it is riveting.

And, you know, it is so good. I wish the press would read it. Because it really explains who we are, who Trump supporters are. Who are, you know, red staters. It is so good at that. She's the best at that.