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John Ziegler Makes the Case That Joe Paterno Was Set Up

Joe Paterno, who has the most victories of any coach in major college football history, was fired in 2011 by Penn State in the wake of a sexual abuse scandal involving former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, and the university’s failure to act to halt further harm. The firing sent shockwaves through the state of Pennsylvania and the US. Sandusky is now serving a sentence of 30-60 years in prison.

John Ziegler, radio talk show host and documentary filmmaker, has followed the case extensively and joined The Glenn Beck Program on Wednesday to discuss how he thinks Paterno was set up --- and Sandusky is innocent.

Enjoy the complimentary clip above or read the transcript below for details.

GLENN: Author, writer for Mediaite and host of the podcast, World According To Zig on soundcloud.com. John Ziegler is in the studios with us.

Jerry Sandusky is back in the news right now. If you don't remember the name, give me less-than-a-minute recap of Penn State.

JOHN: In November of 2011, Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coordinator for Penn State, a very famous coach, but had been retired for many years, was arrested on child molestation charges. Joe Paterno was fired, the legendary football coach at Penn State, three days -- three or four days later, along with the president of Penn State, Graham Spanier.

Sandusky was convicted. Penn State paid out almost $100 million in settlements. This week, two Penn State administrators pled guilty to a misdemeanor after the conspiracy charges after five and a half years were dropped. Next week, Graham Spanier, the former president of Penn State, will stand trial on these very same charges. He is innocent. He will not plead guilty, unless something really bizarre happens. And an innocent man's life is on the line.

But to me, Glenn, this story is much bigger than Penn State. Much bigger than even Graham Spaniard's freedom or Joe Paterno's legacy.

I have no collection to Penn State at all. I stupidly got involved in this five and a half years ago because the story, to use a phrase we now are all very familiar with, sounded immediately to me like "fake news." And as you guys know -- we've done some stories together before -- I have a pretty good nose for this kind of thing.

And I have coached high school football in several different states. I've covered college football, pro football. I understand the culture. Have no connection to Penn State. In fact, I actually have disdain for Penn State now, after five and a half years of this. But I also understand the way the news media works. And I got involved in this, just trying to find out what the heck the truth was, presuming that Jerry Sandusky was guilty as hell. That was my presumption at the beginning of this. But the Joe Paterno angle just never made any sense. Because there was this idea that there was a cover-up, that he had been told by an assistant coach, Mike McQueary, that Gary had abused the boy sexually and Paterno did nothing. And Penn State just decided to pretend it never happened. It made no sense for 100 million reasons. But one of which was, Sandusky was retired. He wasn't even part of the program at that point. And not to mention, it didn't fit with the culture of Penn State, nor college football as I know it. Well, as I got deeper and deeper into it --

PAT: And it certainly didn't fit with the character of Joe Paterno.

JOHN: Exactly.

JEFFY: No kidding.

JOHN: Joe Paterno was a stellar coach.

PAT: He's a legend. He's a legend.

JOHN: On and off the field, the most winning coach in the history of college football. But also ran a stellar football program. No hint of scandal. And a guy who was a squeaky clean, you know, 1950's kind of conservative Republican. By the way, friends of the Bush family.

JEFFY: Yeah, beloved.

GLENN: Right. But we -- we oftentimes see people that are -- that are living a double life, and you're like, well, they can't be.

JOHN: Right. Right.

GLENN: It was always the quiet one on the street that ended up having the heads in the refrigerator.

JOHN: Well, I understand that. And that's part -- there's so many elements of the perfect storm here. One of which is that this story breaks in Pennsylvania, not long after the whole Catholic church scandal.

GLENN: Right.

JOHN: And because of that, it sets a prism through which everybody, especially in the news media, they see this. They see Paterno as the Pope. They see the administrators as the cardinals. They see Sandusky, oh, he's the pedophile priest. And they see the Penn State football fans as, oh, these are the Catholic partitioners who love their phenomenal so much, their religion of football, that they're willing to look the other way and pretend that a pedophile didn't really exist. That was a narrative that fit.

GLENN: Yeah, but that narrative is real in many cases. People don't want to look at this stuff.

JOHN: I understand that. But that's what set this case up for a massive injustice.

So as I got involved more and more and I was just looking for the truth, I interviewed Sandusky, not once, but twice in prison for six hours, plus. Went on the Today Show, not once, but twice. The second time Matt Lauer very nicely declared my career to be dead three years ago, this week. But I figured, okay. If you're going to die on a hill, this is a pretty good hill to die on. And trust me, I've taken enough bullets to understand the reality of that.

What I realized was that the only way to make this case make any sense at all is that shockingly, the part of the case that no one took a look at, no one bothered to do the math on, the Jerry Sandusky element is a myth. That Jerry Sandusky is, in fact, innocent. And it's not even close. That's what's so amazing about this.

But we start a domino effect. The Joe Paterno firing. And people who are not from Pennsylvania can't fully understand the psychological impact of the firing of Joe Paterno. This was a nuclear explosion over this entire case. It was like people's entire lives had been turned upside down.

JEFFY: No kidding.

JOHN: This was worse than the Trump election for liberals. Everything is upside down. And in reality, to understand this case fully, you have to understand that the moment of Paterno's firing, all the incentives in this case get flipped upside down. Everybody's incentives are now perverse. All the white hats turn into black hats, and the black hats turn into white hats.

And from that moment on, we have a domino effect of injustice. I like to use the metaphor that this whole case is a painting that everyone looks at and goes, "This makes no damn sense." And I came along and said, "Here's why." I flipped it upside down. And people go, "Oh, my gosh."

GLENN: Okay. So flip it upside down.

JOHN: Here's what happens. The real story of this is the classic case of when people think they're doing the right moral thing, stopping pedophilia or injustice against children. And they become invested in a myth.

GLENN: Yes.

JOHN: I'll use -- this audience will understand the parallel to global warming. Okay. This is man-made global warming because we have a consensus of science, allegedly, and because we are doing the right thing for humanity, you are a bad person if you disagree. If you even question it, you are a bad person.

Well, that's what happened in this case. I'm the bad person. I'm the bad person who actually said --

GLENN: Because you're viewed not as saying, "Wait a minute. Let's look for the truth." You're looked upon as a guy who wants to let a pedophile get away.

JOHN: Exactly. And so why is it that I'm the guy? Because I'm sure that's what a lot of people are asking.

STU: The first thing I did when I saw you tweeting about this was check to see if you graduated from Penn State. It was the first thing I did.

JEFFY: I know. I know.

JOHN: Right. I went to Georgetown University. Okay. That's number one.

Number two, I have zero financial motive at all. My website, FramingPaterno.com, takes no ads. I have hundreds of videos on YouTube. No ads. I have purposely lost money on this case.

My career, as Lauer predicted, has been crap because of this. And my wife, I don't know why she has stuck with me through it all. And I know I'm right. And it's not close. I can go through detail by detail as to why this happened the way that it did. But mostly it happened because the focus shifted at the beginning of the case -- think about this case as a mathematical equation. A complex mathematical equation. One number times another number times another number. Everyone thought the first number was something other than zero. Well, I did the math and said, "Wait a minute. The first number is zero." Which means the whole equation, zero times anything is still going to be zero.

And the thing about this, Glenn, which is really incredibly frustrating to me, I'm not the only guy who knows this. Almost everybody on the inside of this story knows it, including the three administrators, who were facing trial, two of whom pled guilty to a misdemeanor this week, the other Graham Spanier, who faces trial next week. And people on the Penn State board of trustees know this.

But everyone is afraid to talk about it. There's never been a case where fear, cowardice, and stupidity reigned more supreme than this one. Because everyone is afraid of the news media. And they are now, like -- trying to tell the news media the truth about this case is like trying to convince a 5-year-old that Santa Claus doesn't exist. They are completely and totally invested.

GLENN: So you're saying that the number -- the reason why that number is zero is because the victim -- victim number one is lying.

JOHN: Yes. And that's -- and it's important to point out. That's a great way to phrase it. Victim number one is a guy by the name of Aaron Fisher. He wrote a book. I presume from my first two years of this investigation he must be telling the truth. Because I was told child abuse victims never lie. And, you know, he -- he made himself known publicly. The only trial accuser that did so. He did an interview with Chris Cuomo on 20/20, which if you look at now on YouTube, you can tell he's not telling the truth because he doesn't act like a sex abuse victim at all and said very suspicious things. But I spent two years not even worrying about him. I now have 12 people on the record, on audio. I haven't released all of them at FramingPaterno.com. But most of them. Twelve people, incredibly close to him. I'm talking, aunts very close. Buddies from the time period of the allegation. Parents of the buddies of the time period of the allegation. Girlfriends. People who sponsored a rally on his behalf when his book came out. Twelve people against their own self-interests to have all said they're positive he's lying. Positive.

I've been -- his mom -- his mom, who if you believe his story -- his story is preposterous. And it's important to point out, he's the only accuser in this case for two and a half years. He's the only one. And during a grand jury investigation. His mom, the story goes, this is under her watch, he goes to Jerry Sandusky as a 12 to 14-year-old. One of the things -- misperceptions about this case is somehow these were six, seven, 8-year-old boys. No, these were all 12, 13, 14-year-old boys, which Jerry is a coach. These are when kids become athletes. That's why he took an interest in that age of kid. He's a very naive, I think stupid in a lot of ways, guy who is very religious and who never dreamed that anybody was going to think that this was somehow nefarious. He devoted his life to kids.

The mom, who under his -- her watch, he gets abused by her trial testimony, 100 times. One hundred times as a 13, 14-year-old. By the way, while he's dating girls and having sex with them, according to his buddies, she is now driving a -- a Mercedes, a Jaguar, a Cadillac Escalade and living in a giant house. Now, how in the world any mother could possibly have the lack of guilt to drive those cars when it's money that was gotten because you were such a bad mom, you kept feeding your son to a horrendous pedophile is beyond me. But that's one very tiny tip of this entire humongous iceberg.

The reason that this is so important is, if he's lying -- and I know that he is -- he's what they use to build the rest of the case. This became whisper down the lane. This becomes the Loch Ness Monster. Nobody thought there was a Loch Ness Monster until people started saying there was a Loch Ness Monster. Now, all of a sudden, everybody is trying to get the damn Loch Ness Monster. Well, there is no Loch Ness Monster in real life, and there's no Loch Ness Monster in this story. And there's no evidence where there should be O.J. Simpson-like evidence, Glenn. We're five and a half years into this thing, multiple investigations, an alleged cover-up that disintegrates, and yet there's nothing. There's nothing. Other than testimony of people who were paid millions of dollars. The settlement process was a sham. I have a fake accuser who went to the number one lawyer in this case, in a sting operation. We have incredibly damning audio.

GLENN: Okay. I want to go there. At the top of the hour, I want to take you to the sting operation. Because you've heard the audio of the sting operation. And we can't play them yet because I guess of legal maneuvering.

JOHN: Well, you don't want to go to jail for me, do you, Glenn?

GLENN: Yeah. No, I don't. But Stu has heard the audiotape. And if it is as described -- I have not heard it -- it's pretty remarkable.

STU: I think it's important too. Because you mentioned accuser one. But I think people think in their head, accuser one is the kid in the shower that Mike McQueary saw. He said he saw this happen. And he testified to actually visually seeing the assault go on.

JOHN: Right.

STU: And that's the one that sits on -- because there's ten total? Because that's the big one.

JOHN: Let's talk about that one. Absolutely.

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Comedian gives 3 TIPS to survive YOUR family on Thanksgiving

Comedian Jamie Kilstein — a self-described ‘piranha’ on both sides of the political aisle — joins Glenn to dissect exactly how YOU can handle those awkward, news-related discussions around the table on Thanksgiving. In this clip, Kilstein provides four of his top tips that will help your survive the holidays with your favorite, liberal relatives…

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GLENN: Jamie Kilstein he is with us. He's a comedian, and the host of Advice Not Taken.

He's a guy who we probably would have really hated each other years ago, and now it's just simple dislike.

And Jamie is here. He is -- he was a guy who was way on the left. In fact, I want to read something from July 2019. A few weeks ago, this fragile Jew flew to Texas to meet his girlfriend's very conservative mom and dad.

You're writing out a list of people who wouldn't like me, it would read conservatives, Christian gun owners, oilmen, and Justin Timberlake.

Mainly because I've had several public conversations with Noam Chomsky. The Bible scares me more than pet cemetery. I also felt I would accidentally kill myself if I ever owned a gun. I drive a Prius, and I really don't trust Justin Timberlake.

So he's gone from this, to let me just say, as I welcome Jamie Kilstein on, congratulations on your baptism a couple years ago.

JAMIE: Oh, man. And -- and I bought a gun, and I'm still alive.

STU: Wait. What's the current status with Justin Timberlake?

Do we have any update on that?

JAMIE: I'll find him one day. He knows what's up.

GLENN: All right. No. Seriously, I had some really nice notes from you, the last couple of weeks. I really wish I could have been invited to your baptism.

But I'm so happy for you.

Now --

JAMIE: Well, man, and I really do -- I'll say this publicly. Where part of my shift -- you know there's this -- I wasn't planning on talking about this. There was this dangerous thing that happened, especially on Twitter. Although, maybe not anymore, if Twitter goes down. Where anyone who has any change of political beliefs, is automatically called a grifter. And I almost want to write a piece called defending grifting. Where for me, I -- I have had plenty of opportunities, to -- to do that. To pretend I was conservative. To be the -- you know the former woke guy. And to profit off of it.

And I was never interested in doing this heel turn just for my career. The reason that I have become more conservative, and that I have -- and you know that I did find Jesus after. I mean, I opened for Richard Dawkins back in the day. It wasn't because I was like, I need to make a career pivot. It was because, when I made -- that's what you do for Jesus.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Because it's so very popular right now. Yeah.

RICHARD: Yeah. Once the Chosen took off. I was like, this is my path. But the -- by the way, I'm going to see the premiere today.

GLENN: Yeah, me too.

RICHARD: But I met. It was meeting guys like you. Meeting guys like Tim Kennedy. Becoming legitimately friends with people who were conservative, who also I go, man, this is the kind of person I want to be. This is the kind of dad I want to be. This is the kind of husband I want to be. This is the kind of conversations I want to have.

And so what happened, I go, well, if I admire these men as men. Then maybe I should take a step and look at these things that I thought I would hate them for that they believe. And ask them why they believe it. And then it just sort of all started happening.

So it was the opposite of what we do on Twitter.

Ask what I used to do. Instead of looking at someone's political beliefs and their tweets. And judging them by that. I looked at them as a person. As a human. And then if I respected them as a human. I said, yeah. How did you get to this belief? And it just opened my eyes.

GLENN: Yeah. That's crazy. I don't know why anyone would talk to somebody.

So, Jamie, you were -- in 2019, you were -- you know the pariah, at the holiday table.

JAMIE: Yeah.

GLENN: Now, if I remember right, you're -- your father was a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton, and your mom, I think bought your first pack of cigarettes.

So --

JAMIE: My dad definitely wasn't a fundraiser. But they're very liberal. My mom certainly bought me my first pack of cigarettes.

And I believe it was for Christmas. And it was from Santa. I feel like, when you become 40 years old, and you're like, you know, I've spent years being like, man, I have a cool mom. And as you get older, you're like, was she just an alcoholic? Everybody's mom lights their cigarettes on the stove, right?

So, yeah. There's a lot -- a lot of -- I'm learning.

GLENN: Okay.

JAMIE: But, yeah. They're liberal. What's funny, I've always been a pariah, because I was too left for my family, and for a lot of my friends. I was too liberal. And then now I'm very too conservative. But I figured out ways to talk to people, who I disagree with.

GLENN: Okay.

JAMIE: And I think -- that's what I -- I just wrote about it. I started a Substack. And I wrote about tips to essentially not kill your family over Thanksgiving.

GLENN: Yeah. This is a big one.

There's a lot going on. The Hunter Biden laptop. The change of Congress.

The election.

JAMIE: Yes. And that's exactly -- it was bad enough, before we knew about Hunter Biden's laptop. It's hard enough to go to your family. And explaining why you don't have kids yet.

Let alone, now I need to have talking points, on gender assignment therapies. Or how I have an opinion on -- like Substack.

It's so hard.

Romda, who is this great spiritual guy, who I -- I -- I loved. He had this great quote. He's literally one of the most spiritual people who has ever lived. He has this quote that says, if you think you're enlightened, go spend two weeks with your family. And like, there is -- it was already hard. But like, our forefathers did not see us arguing about Libs of TikTok over Thanksgiving.

You know what I mean?

GLENN: Yes.

RICHARD: So it's -- you can't go into it, prepared for battle. You have to remember, it is your family. You want this holiday to be good.

And I feel like, people are already sort of memorizing their talking points.

I used to do that. I was the insufferable person, sent to ruin November through December. It's like, oh, if my dad was praying for a Jewish holiday, I would have to remind him about how I --

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

RICHARD: Well, I have a rant about Jesus and capitalism. Dude, I was like a step away from, is leaving cookies for Santa fat shaming? Like, it was so bad. It was so bad. And so like, I'm not -- I'm not judging. Like my new friend Jesus, we are not here to judge.

GLENN: Right.

JAMIE: But I really do think there are things that you can do. So I wrote three things.

GLENN: Okay. What are them?

JAMIE: So the first one, you have to find things you can all agree on. So, for example, and I've done this so many times. All politicians suck. You open with that. You don't open with, your team is bad. You open up with, hey, man. I'm not a fan of a lot of democratic politicians. I'm going to agree with some of their stances. But I think that it's just so much more honest, if I'm representing liberals.

Yeah, man, Biden is not doing great. Because now they know, I'm not a liar. I think that conservatives --

GLENN: So wouldn't tip number one actually be don't lie?

JAMIE: It would be don't lie. We don't do that. Because we are trained by social media, to be like, I have to defend my team, no matter what -- do you know how many Republicans were just white knuckling it, defending certain things Trump said, or how many liberals are doing the exact same thing with Biden?

I mean, guys, how many people were doing that just the other day, with his speech? Where they were like, this is what I have to defend?

Okay. Yeah. I guess execute drug dealers.

They don't -- and if you can admit, if you can admit when your side is wrong, the other person is going to start seeing you as someone who wants to make the world better. And fix the system. And not someone who just wants to attack them, for who you voted for. Right?

We can all agree Nancy Pelosi is a ghoul, we can start there. And then move on.

GLENN: Tip number two.

JAMIE: Number two. If all of your relatives can do is shout things they heard on Rachel Maddow or Tucker Carlson, maybe their life is kind of rough, and we should actually feel compassion for them. Right? Like, if someone at your table refuses to leave until they win an argument about January 6, you kind of already won. Right?

When all I could do was argue about politics, Glenn, I was so depressed. I was so miserable. I was in a crumbling relationship. The only thing that made me feel good is this illusion that I was doing something, by yelling at people on Twitter. But in reality, like, I was suffering.

And so I think, if you have a family member, who was glued to their phone all day, angrily sharing political memes. You shouldn't be like, oh, I can't believe I could slam that guy at Thanksgiving.

Don't give him more ammo by fighting with him. You need to give that person a hug. You need to talk about anything but politics, and connect with them. And honestly, make sure they're okay.

GLENN: Holy cow.

JAMIE: And we can all check ourselves on that. When I got back on to Twitter, I just go, what am I projecting? What am I hiding from?

And oftentimes, it's just something I'm not taking care of within me, so I just have to make it about Washington.

GLENN: I am -- you're preaching. I mean, I'm about to shout amen. This is an actual beginning of a conversion here. Because these are all Jesus tips.

JAMIE: Right. Right.

GLENN: You know. Kind of got the --

JAMIE: I didn't think about that.

GLENN: There's -- there's nine others.

But you have the, don't lie and love one another. Just have compassion for one another.

What's the third one? Is it about false idols?

JAMIE: Right. The third one is storm the Capitol.
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The third one is -- okay. So this one is going to sound rough at first. So stay with me. The third one is hold hands and watch the world burn. And here's what I mean by that. I'm not a fan of apathy. But when you think about what your family, on Thanksgiving and Christmas, what are you doing in that moment to change the world, as you're screaming?

Right?

You guys are arguing with each other, like you're making your case in front of the UN. But is your uncle on the Supreme Court? No.

Did anybody in the family pass the laws you're mad about? Do you even know how laws get passed? Right. Probably not.

In that moment, there's literally nothing your family can do to change the system. So maybe we don't let these jerks in Washington, ruin one more good thing, by tearing our family apart. Right?

So here's how you can inspire your family member who thinks differently than you to be more like you.

It's not screaming at them, like an unhinged CNN pundit whose ratings are in the trash.

It's be a good ambassador for your side. Right? So instead of throwing a fit about who your sister voted for, why not be so cool, that people want to be like you? Be so kind and generous that others start to wonder who you voted for, without you even having to tell them. Right?

When you see someone. Again, myself included. Screaming about something.

Even cross fit. You have to do cross fit. You must. Why?

So you can be miserable like me. My lower back hurts all the time. If they're screaming at you, they're projecting. So, Glenn, back to the baptism thing. Going to an atheist, to finding Jesus at 40. The reason why I haven't written a piece called, if you don't go to church, you're garbage. Because for the first time in my life. I feel like I have nothing to prove to anyone.

Right? Like, I don't need to project that, like I did with my old liberal talking points. People respect how I treat others, and they're curious about why, I will tell them. And they can tell because I'm actually happy, right? So if you're the only conservative at the dinner table. The best thing you can do is be kind. Ask questions. Be open-minded.

Use phrases like, I never looked at it that way. Do not bring up Alex Jones. Like if you're a responsible gun owner, talk about things you would do to prevent mass shootings, instead of shouting, come and take them. Like, all you have to do is through your actions, be kind.

And make people want to know how you think politically. Because you didn't -- like I did with you. Man. The first time I met.

Well, that guy is nothing like I thought he would be. So now I want to learn more about him. And like, you can be that person, for your family. That actually destroys all the stereotypes that people have about Libertarians or whatever.

GLENN: So here we are, getting ready. The last break before my Thanksgiving break. And I am truly grateful for this very funny and very enlightening segment. Jamie, I'm so happy for you.

You've got -- you've got all kinds of stuff ahead of you. It's all good.

He's the host of the podcast, Advice Not Taken. I would suggest, that maybe some of this advice, we all take on all sides of you know politics. Jamie Kilstein. Thank you so much. God bless you.

JAMIE: Thank you, God bless you too. See you soon.

GLENN: You bet.

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This dad LOST CUSTODY thanks to today’s GENDER WAR

Jeff Younger’s son, James, began learning from his mother at age two that he actually is a girl. And that’s when Jeff’s battle to save his sons — James and his twin brother, Jude — began. The boys are now ten, living with their mother in California, and Jeff hasn’t been able to see them in over a year. He joins Glenn to share his entire story, and then Glenn asks a panel of legal experts how other parents could prevent similar nightmares moving forward.

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4 possible reasons Trump is running & 1 Glenn thinks is true

Why is President Donald Trump running for the White House in 2024? In this clip, Glenn reads from a Politico article which tells about 4 former presidents who made new attempts at the presidency before. Those four were motivated by four different reasons: power, boredom, regret, and spite. But Glenn believes there’s a fifth motivation that’s more likely the one for Donald Trump. Listen to the clip to find out what that motivation may be…

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GLENN: I want to tell you the story, from the four presidents, who have tried this before.

Politico has a great article by Joshua Zeitz. And he writes about these four presidents, who have run, only one has won.

And they all have really good lessons in them. I'll share that with you, coming up in just a second.

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Okay. There are people that have made multiple -- multiple attempts, multiple tries, at the presidency.

And have failed. Then there's people like Joe Biden who have been running for president, I think since 1916, maybe.

STU: It was not the 1916 race. But he got into 1916, for a later race. 1924. I think he was running for eight good years for that one. Which he then lost. And then he plagiarized someone else's speech.

GLENN: But it was Calvin Coolidge. Didn't have the internet then.

Anyway, Politico writes, whatever -- whether Trump succeeds may depend on his own motivation in running. Will he do it for power?
Out of boredom or regret? Or simply despite the naysayers? The wounded president egos of the past might be a window into the mind of the most polarizing politician of our time. So they go into these four presidents.

And it's important to remember, is he going to do it out of power. Out of boredom. Out of regret.

Or spite.

So 1840. Presidential bid with Martin Van Buren. He ran again in 1848.

He lost the election. He was -- I think it was Jackson's vice president. And then he went on, after Jackson. Jackson said. You should be the president.

And he won the president. And then he lost his reelection bid. And it's interesting, because he was not -- he was a Democrat. And he was clearly for slavery.

And when he got into office, in 1837, there was a once in a lifetime financial panic.

And it triggered a really deep recession. He was now wildly unpopular. So he lost his bid. And then in 1844. Van Buren attempted a comeback. But listen to this. A fiercely contested Democratic Convention, instead nominated James Polk of Tennessee.

An ardent expansionist and proponent of slavery. Remember, it's just the Democratic Party.

Many Van Buren supporters would nurse a long grudge against Southern Democrats for thwarting his comeback. So he's going in, and he loses the bid for the Democrats. So he decides, that he is going to go with his son, who started a third party.

The barn burners. He was indifferent about slavery. And he didn't expect to win. What he was trying to do, was reorder the party. He was trying to use his power, to shift the party and still be the guy who is you know the power player.

He didn't -- he didn't -- he didn't win. In fact, the election went to Zachary Taylor. Because there was a third party.

And so the Wigs took it. And then we never heard from him again.

STU: Not a lot of people were indifferent on slavery, I feel like.

I feel like, that's one you take a position on, either way.

GLENN: I feel like that's a lot of people on abortion. I don't know.

STU: That's true. People look back, you didn't take a position of baby's dying.

GLENN: Wait. They were chopping them up. And you were fine with that.

STU: It was neutral.

Well, Switzerland on that one, huh?

GLENN: So Grover Cleveland was the next one. This is 1888. He's already been president. He's running for reelection.

But he's kind of. He doesn't really care.

STU: He's indifferent on his own presidency.

GLENN: He's indifferent on his own presidency. And so Benjamin Harrison won, and this -- this particular election is very much like what we're facing now. It was very, very close.

And you know you didn't have a lot of swing going one way or another.

So he retires and he goes to New York City. And he plays cribbage with his friends.

He goes to the theater, and he goes out to eat. And then goes out to eat some more. Eventually, he wastes 300 pounds.

STU: I like this guy. Oh, yeah.

GLENN: Then he would take fishing trips to Cape Cod. They would have a hard time with the boat.

Anyway, he has his first child. And he says, anyway, I feel like I just started to live.

So he goes, and starts to get nominated again.

Then he kind of loses interest again. I guess if we would just have put food at the end, he would have.

But he did win.

But he won, because of the tight electoral map. So during his -- the next one is Theodore Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt decides he's only going to run two terms. He really regrets that.

And he's like, yeah. Did I say -- I don't think I said that? What did I say?

STU: A lot of people get into power. They really regret that decision, don't they?

GLENN: Right. So he comes back from a year in Africa. You know just shooting animals. What a bastard.

And he's upset, that the conservative Republicans had taken back over.

They were like, yeah, I don't think this administrative state, is really what we should be for. And so he gets very upset about that, and tries to reverse the tide, to be a party of, you know, more like Mitch McConnell. And so the -- the Republicans decide, no, we're against the administrative state.

So he decides to start his own party. Bull Moose Party. He loses. But, again, he lets the progressive Democrat, Woodrow Wilson get in.

So what do we have here?

The last one is Hoover. And Hoover was a big progressive.

Huge progressive. You notice anything about these things?

He fought to win the Republican nomination after he left office.

He starts to come back. And he wants to come back, I don't know. 1940. And the -- the Republicans, this time. Decide, they want an even more progressive Republican. And so they get Wendell Wilke. And neither one of them win.

So the lesson here is Martin Van Buren's second run.

It was about regaining or retaining power. Not just the power of the presidency. But the lasting control of a movement and party that renders Trump, a defining on the world stage. I personally think he already has that. If he's like Grover Cleveland. And how many games of golf can I play?

And there's not enough all you can eat buffets, because I don't want to weigh 300 pounds.

Then it's his for the taking. Like 1892.

It probably, according to politico, has to do with regret. We know from recent reporting, that Trump and those in his orbit fault themselves for letting the judicial civil service at political class, thwart many of their ambitions.

They relish a second crack at it. And he might be you know a little upset, so -- or might be a little spite. But he won't win.

If it's spite.

I personally think, that it's none of these things.

Because I've talked to him. And in talking to him, he said something that was off camera. But very, very humble. Shockingly so.

And very heartfelt. When I talked to him. He said, I can't believe what they're doing to the country. I can't -- I mean, we had this. We had this. They were on the right track. And they have just destroyed it in less than two years. And he said with be this is the part that I think this is why he's running.

I can't live with myself. Seeing all the millions of faces that I have talked to. And I promised. I would fix it. And stand up for them. After they stood up for me. How am I going to sit down, and watch the country burn to the ground? When I know, I can help them.

When he said, last night, the most important line, this is not my campaign. This is our campaign. I think that's why he's running.

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Glenn: 6 leftist stories that may MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE!

What better way to kick-off Glenn’s Thanksgiving vacation than with six stories that may make you HEAD EXPLODE?! In this clip, Glenn shares 6 recent, news stories — like the teacher union’s new pronoun guide, the UN complaining about Nigerians, and a new California program that pays people for being transgender — as part of a ‘clown news alert.’ Which one is the most absurd to YOU?!

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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: We have a full-fledged clown alert. Clown alert going on. Stu, we don't have time for -- okay. So let's look at some of the stories today, that would have made my head explode, but I'm so far beyond that.

Here's a headline from Fox News. MSNBC anchor slammed for complaining House Democrats never investigating the Trump family.

I'm just saying. Well, look at the cute little car, and all the MSNBC people coming out. The, I guess it's maybe Hassan Show. Didn't do this. They didn't do this for the Trump family. Meti, which is -- I'm going to say ze, zer, which could be her or him.

I don't know. Nobody watches MSNBC. Isn't that weird? It's like this weird experiment. If we put all this money into producing something, and nobody watches it, how long can we do that?

It's a neat experience. CNN has been doing that one for a while. And that experiment is about to come to a conclusion. Anyway, be as mad as you like about House Republicans kicking off any day, one day after winning the House with a massive investigation to the Biden family. But ask yourself why Democrats didn't do this for the Trump family. Yeah.

Oh. Ask yourself on the day that Pelosi is retiring, by the way. Oh. Okay.

I've got a note from the teacher's union. It is a pronoun guide.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: This is why I knew about the pronouns for MSNBC. The national -- the National Education Association's pronoun guide, reviewed by the Washington Examiner, directs members on how to use various preferred pronouns to grow accustomed to include one's pronouns and name tags, while introducing one's self to colleagues. The pronoun guide says it's been made available for members of the teacher's union. And it is made to have staff better understand the use of pronouns, in a respectful way for all NEA meetings and communications. In English, this is according to the guide, in English, we have two sets of generated pronouns. She/her/hers. He/him/his. Oh, that is great. They're still teaching this stuff.

However, those are attached to a particular gender. Now, I didn't know that. Did you know that?

STU: A particular gender? Wow. No. I didn't know that.

GLENN: Like she/her/hers would go to somebody that would self-identify she's a woman.

STU: Right. That's the only way you would know she was a woman.

GLENN: Only way you would know. We all likely, this is according to the teachers union, all likely assume we knew someone's pronouns just by looking at them.

STU: Oh, that's so silly. What a silly concept.

GLENN: Okay. Knowing their gender. But that isn't the case. In an effort to be more affirming to all. It's important as teachers to get out of the habit of assuming pronouns. So they have a table graphic, that separates different pronouns from their respective case, to inform the reader how to use them in a sentence properly. The first three lines from the graphic provide a guide for he/she/they pronouns, but the final line is a guide for using ze/zim/zir/zirself.

STU: Zirself. I did not --

GLENN: Uh-huh, yeah. Which doesn't help identify anyone.

STU: No.

GLENN: You have absolutely.

STU: Does no good for communication whatsoever, which is what the language is supposed to do.

GLENN: Here's another headline for you.

The UN complains the world has too many Nigerians. And who doesn't think that there are too many Nigerians. I don't know. That sounds a little racist. But, no. No. The UN fits entirely in that one clown car.

Which is very nice. Here's a Democrat, that has said, well, she's a scientist. It's Sheila Jackson Lee.

STU: Oh, gosh. Brilliant.

GLENN: Yeah. She said, there's a direct connection to slavery and the pandemic. No, that's -- no, there's no clown horn there. This is serious. I'm sorry. I don't know how this got into the stack of clown news. This is a serious thing.

I believe -- and I can prove it to you. I believe there's a direct -- you know, the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

It's like, except with slavery, it's only 1 degree. Give me anything. Give me anything.

STU: Water faucets.

GLENN: Water faucets. Easy. Did slaves drink water?

Direct link to slavery. Every water faucet company should be paying reparations. Next.

STU: Oatmeal.

GLENN: Please. Who is on the front of the oatmeal box?

The old lady man, Bush looking person. Colonial. Oppression. Slavery. Boom. And don't even get me started about breakfast cereals, foods. Pancakes.

Please. I think, you know. Next.

STU: Oh.

French baguette.

French baguette. You would think this one is hard. You would think that one would struggle to connect a French baguette.

STU: That's exactly what I was thinking. I was trying to come up with something specifically that was difficult to tie to slavery.

GLENN: No. This is very easy.

I told you earlier, that what his name? Pepé LePew. The guy who was on Hogan's Heroes. The French guy in the slave camp. I could take this apart 600 ways to Sunday.

First of all, what did white people do?

They built concentration camps. Then they did shows about concentration camps, with Hogan's Heroes.

Hogan's Heroes, they had one token black in that camp. One. Okay?

Token. Just like slaves. That man, in that show, who was on the show with a Frenchman. Who liked baguettes. Slavery.

STU: I -- I don't want to come up with another example.

GLENN: Because you don't want to be shown up.

STU: Sure. That's exactly what it is.

GLENN: Let me give you this one. Los Angeles county sheriff says the crash that injured 25 law enforcement recruits in southern Whittier, Wednesday morning, was not an accident.

Now, wait a minute. This is hard to believe in the first place. Someone would drive their car, intentionally, into a crowd of police recruits? In California?

No way. Well, shockingly, investigators went through an exhaustive interview process with everyone involved, with the video surveillance statements from the recruits. The physical evidence that they had, like I've got a broken leg. And what they got from the suspect themself. And they were able to form the opinion, that this was a deliberate act.

Now, they have no idea why. The driver was Nicholas Joseph Gutierrez. He's 22. He's charged with attempted murder of a peace officer. And other charges are pending.

But they gave him a bond of a ridiculous $2 million. And so he is -- well, he was also -- he had marijuana in the SUV. And he was intoxicated.

You know, but he drove directly into a group of 75 recruits.

And five of them are critically injured. Twenty-five of them were injured.

But they still have no motive. They still don't have any idea. And, of course, it was not politically or racially motivated.

Just want you to know that.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: We'll wait for details. I hope they figure that out.

STU: It's never -- it's never motivated that way.

GLENN: Well, the California police are on it. Okay?

STU: That's good to hear. California is on to a lot of things though. They have a great new program, we talked about it briefly yesterday, in San Francisco.

GLENN: Oh. Where you can -- if your gender --

STU: If you're transgendered, you can get on some sort of payroll with them --

STU: Yeah. And they'll pay you for being transgender.

$1,200 a month.

GLENN: My name is Betty, Stu! My name is now Betty.

STU: And if you happen to be a Glenn into a Betty, then you can get $1,200 a month, for the next 18 months.

GLENN: And you must admit, I'm the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.

STU: And you are, believe me. You sure are.

GLENN: Oh. You haven't seen me all dolled up.

STU: Now, it might seem like a ridiculous program to some. But I decided to go through the actual application, because I was interested.

GLENN: Right, and that's when you see how really serious and well thought out it is. Right?

STU: Right. Uh-huh. Now, there are some options. You have to go through the application.

Let me -- this is pronouns. Glenn, I'll go through these with you. You just have to check all that apply. So you might have eight or ten of these.

GLENN: All that apply. Okay. All that apply, not just one. Got it.

STU: She/her/hers. He/him/his/, they/them/theirs, it/it/its. Co/co/cos.

GLENN: Hmm?

STU: Co/co/cos.

GLENN: Hmm? Well, yeah. Of course.

STU: Zi, zim, zis.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Ze, zer, zers. He/him/hirs. Hy/hym/hyrs.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. The ear one, I didn't -- and I feel a little bad. Because that makes me think of my ears, which I think are really bad. They're big. The earlobes are growing. It's the only part of the face and the nose that continue to grow. And thank you for pointing that out.

Now I'm really offended! I wish I had that power. You know in the Disney film? What was the one? Hercules?

I wish I -- remember when the guy could set his hair on fire. I wish I could do that.

Wouldn't that be great? Just -- so when you would say something like zirs, I would think ears. And you would know I'm pissed.

STU: By the way, I should point out, it's not ears. E-A-R-S, it's e --

GLENN: I didn't say it was. I said, it made me think of that. That's my truth, Stu.

STU: I'm sorry. That is your truth.

Or ma'am, or she. I don't know which one to say.

How about per/per/pers?

GLENN: Yes.

STU: Fey/fair/fairs. Ay/ay/ayrs. Tay/tare/tares.

GLENN: I like the way you say that.

STU: Va/var/vars. No pronouns.

GLENN: Oh, no. That one doesn't apply to me.

STU: That one doesn't apply to you.
So this is the guaranteed income for the transgendered people program.

GLENN: Okay. So if I identify as any or all of those, do I get more money from the state, if I identify as all of those?

STU: That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that.

GLENN: Do they investigate to see if I'm really --

STU: Definitely not.

Because how would you? These words don't mean anything?

GLENN: Do I have to live in California to get their taxpayer money?

STU: Yes. San Francisco. This is from the city of San Francisco. The guaranteed income for transgendered people, or gift, which is interesting.

Because it doesn't spell. It's gift. In reality it's GIFTP.

GLENN: Guaranteed income for transgender people. Okay.

STU: And they call it GIFTP. The GIFTP program, here are some things -- now, it goes to gender. There are several genders available, Glenn. For you to choose. I guess you could choose any or all of these. Let me give you some example. Gender creative.

GLENN: Well, that's me. I'm very creative.

STU: Gender outlaw.

GLENN: Yes. I live in the West.

STU: How about gray gender.

GLENN: Well, look at my hair.

STU: I don't know it means you're older. That guy kind of -- it's a gray area.

GLENN: Either works for me, works for me, Your Honor.

STU: Brother boy. Is that your gender, or would you consider yourself a brother boy?

GLENN: I would say, because we're in a transition as a society.

STU: Right.

GLENN: I would still say there's a chance brother boy might be misinterpreted. So I'm going to say no.

STU: That's a good point, considering the context of earlier conversation today.

Sister girl.

GLENN: Sister girl. I am absolutely -- look at me. Betty, I'm a sister girl.

STU: Now, when I look at you, what I see, mavericke.

Mavericke. It's like a fancy Tom Cruise. A mavericke.

GLENN: Oh, I like that.

STU: That's kind of you.

GLENN: I am. I'm a maverick. No, I'm a mavericke.

STU: I like that. How about this one. These are all real genders on the checklist. I'm not making these up.

GLENN: Okay. So if I identify as a mavericke. And you would say, yes, sir. You are a mavericke. And I would say, you bet. Give me my cash. Okay.

STU: How about stud?

GLENN: No.

STU: That's the one gender you're not.

GLENN: No. No.

STU: How about -- this is a real gender.

GLENN: Of course, it is.

STU: FTX. You can now identify as a failed cryptocurrency exchange. Which is --

GLENN: I think that one is an important gender that you mock right now. And now where is my horn. Thank you. Now you can do the other.

STU: She already did the other.

GLENN: No. Do it now.

STU: She already did it.

GLENN: We can edit it in post production. Do the damn -- that wasn't the same one. That's not the one I wanted.