Kelly Shackelford on Why Gorsuch Is a Rock Solid Pick

Kelly Shackelford, president and CEO of First Liberty Institute, the largest legal firm in the nation dedicated exclusively to protecting religious freedom for all Americans, joined Glenn on set today to discuss the qualifications of Judge Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court. Shackelford gave Gorsuch glowing marks.

"A lot of people look at his education and see how incredible it was. He goes to Columbia undergrad, Harvard law school and then he went to Oxford. A lot of people don't know why he went to Oxford. He went Oxford to study under the top brain in the world on natural law, a guy by the name of John Finnis, the guy who trained Robby George," Shackelford said.

Additionally, Gorsuch has written or joined about 3,000 opinions which give a long history of his philosophy and beliefs.

"We're ahead of the curve, I'm just telling you," Shackelford said.

To watch the Gorsuch confirmation hearings and get analysis, go to, a website created by Shackelford's organization.

Enjoy the complimentary clip above or read the transcript below for details.

GLENN: Kelly Shackelford is the president and CEO of He is probably the guest that everybody wants to have on this week talking about the new Supreme Court nominee and the hearings that are going on this week because this is what he does for a living is look at the courts in regards to religious freedom, especially, but freedom and the constitutionalist view of the Supreme Court nominee. This is what he does. He looks for the case to be made. Do the Democrats have a case to be made that this guy is out of control? Do we have -- can we take real solace in the fact that this guy won't turn out to be John Roberts. We go to Kelly beginning right now.

Welcome to the program, Kelly Shackelford, how are you?

KELLY: Great.

GLENN: It's good to have you here.

KELLY: Good to be here.

GLENN: You were looking at the list of all of the Supreme Court nominees when they had a list of 20, and I believe he was on your short list, Gorsuch, of somebody that you felt pretty comfortable with. Going into this, how comfortable are you that he's not John Roberts or any of the other conservatives that we always nominate, and then they always turn out to be a huge progressive?

KELLY: Well, there's a few things about him and what Republicans were doing in the past. In the past, there's this Republican thing of picking people without a record. And John Roberts, for instance, I mean --

GLENN: That was Ted Cruz's argument against him.

KELLY: And that's what people did. Now, John Roberts has been solid on most cases. ObamaCare twice, inexplicably.

GLENN: He wrote the law.

KELLY: Exactly. I will point out it was those two cases that -- not on the same-sex marriage case or the --

GLENN: Pretty big, though.

KELLY: I agree with you. But John Roberts was the guy who had no record. Now, that usually says one of two things. If you're 50 years old, and you have no conservative record, you're either --

GLENN: You're not a conservative.

KELLY: You're either not a conservative, or you're hiding. And if you're hiding, then how much courage are you going to have when the heat's on? That's the approach that the Republicans had. That's not their approach anymore. Really it, it changed. You have Harry being appointed by President Bush. That didn't work. So they went back and said I'm going to pick a full fledged conservative with a long record and guess what? Alito got through. They tried to filibuster, they got 25 votes. So since then now, it has changed. When you look at Gorsuch, he had 3,000 opinions that his name's connected to. Either he wrote or joined those opinions. So you see a long sloth of where his philosophy has been, what he believes, where he stands, so that's a little different.

GLENN: Chuck Schumer said there are many reasons to fear him. But the one that they're going after is that he's a corporatist, that he's always for the corporation and he's just going to sink us all because smokestacks will be everywhere.

KELLY: Really silly. What you find with Gorsuch is he doesn't really care who the plaintiff and told are. He's just going to go what does the law say? And that's the result. And the funny thing when you ask him if he's this person that you're saying he is, then what are the opinions? And if you pull out two or three opinions, he'll go wait. Those are unanimous, and you have a liberal Democrat joining on the opinions. So I've never seen such a weak set of attacks on anybody. They really don't have anything on him, so I think their only hope is to create something in the hearing to hope that he says something or does something. Because I think right now, they're in serious trouble at trying to stop.

GLENN: It seems like -- I mean, it was a really big deal. A lot of people voted for Trump because of this. In fact, I would say perhaps a majority of people voted for Trump because of this. And yet, here we are on the hearings, and it doesn't seem like it's going to be a big deal. It doesn't seem like when we were building up, we knew that was going to be a big deal and a big fight. Is it because we're replacing Scalia that it's not that big of a deal? Or what's happening?

KELLY: I think that's part of it. I think part of it most people for whatever reason don't even know it's occurring. We put a website up where people can, like, watch the hearing, get the information, you know, where does he stand, what are his past opinions, what does the NRA say about him, what do the right to life say about him, what do the different groups out there have to say, I think most people have no idea that the hearings are starting this week.

GLENN: Starting today. We won't hear from him until later this afternoon.

KELLY: Right. It's something they don't know. And the media I think is probably not playing this up because I think they realize that as far as the left wing, this is not going to work out well for them, most likely. So they're not highlighting this. I do think, you're right, though, I do think if we had the next nominee.

GLENN: The next one's going to be big.

KELLY: The rumors are it's going to happen soon, like, within the next year. And let's say if Kennedy did step down, now you're talking about the control of the court because you essentially -- when you had Scalia, you had four conservatives, four liberals, and one that moves back and forth.

GLENN: Kennedy was a conservative appointed; right?

KELLY: He was, but he has been voting on both sides of the issue.

GLENN: Never trust a Kennedy.


KELLY: Theoretically if you replace Kennedy, you're talking about a lot of huge issues now that if you had issues. You're talking about big issues. You can see the other side would really come out for that next seat. Where this, really, the conservatives the best they can do is stay even with replacing Scalia.

GLENN: Correct.

KELLY: Now, I think they're going to do that. In fact, some people may think that Gorsuch was more conservative than Scalia. But not as conservative as Thomas. But more conservative than Scalia.

GLENN: How close are these guys? I know that Scalia and Ginsberg were really close and good friends. I really wish that Ginsberg would have spoken at his funeral, because I would have liked to show America that you can be on complete opposite ends of the spectrum and still be good friends. But how close is Thomas with Roberts? Do they influence each other at this point?

KELLY: I don't know how much they influence, but they are friends. The uniqueness of the Scalia/Ginsberg relationship, they grew up in New York. There was a real connection there. And they're friends with one another. They're in a very small, special group, obviously. But guys like Thomas aren't really influenced by what other people say or do.

GLENN: So do you think -- I mean, Calvin Coolidge, nominated a good friend of his who is a staunch, he thought, conservative. He gets onto the court, and he's so bad, he becomes proving that even FDR makes him the chief justice. Really crazy. Do they get in to the court, do you think some of them get into the court and think "Well, now I have such an important position, and I want to legacy."

Does that happen?

KELLY: Yeah, I think the old cocktail circles in DC wanting to fit in, wanting to be accepted. I mean, that's always what people really worry about. I think that's one of the unique things that Gorsuch has going for him that a lot of others didn't, and that is his mom was the head of the EPA under Reagan and was savagely attacked by the Democrats. And he felt that sting. It's well-known. I think he knows who his friends are and aren't, so I don't think he would fall into that trap.

GLENN: That's the best case I've heard yet.

KELLY: When you have somebody, though, who doesn't have a lot of record, and then they go in there, and then they get the social pressure, you can see that kind of thing happening. Again, Gorsuch has 3,000 opinions connected with him. He has a pretty strong, deep philosophy that's been expressed for many years. Anybody can surprise us; right? I mean, people are people but, you know, this is about as good of record -- we're a group that focuses on religious liberty. We've never seen anybody with this many solid religious liberty opinions. I mean, he wrote the lower court. He was involved on the right side on hobby lobby, on little sisters of the poor, on just a number of these cases where you've heard about them later and maybe he was in the dissent, depending upon which one it was. But he always did the right thing, wrote an excellent opinion, stood for religious freedom, so I think he's going to be good on a lot of the constitutional issues that your listeners really care about. Really solid because he's an originalist, and he doesn't think it evolves what he wants it to mean, which is the common approach.

STU: I've heard the argument Gorsuch has made a lot of decisions that would indicate he would be on the pro-life side. However, there's never been a specific ruling by him on abortion. What is your level of concern on that?

KELLY: I don't really have any. Again, he's really solid about what does the constitution say? He's not going to create things that aren't there. He criticized -- there's an article where he actually criticized the LGBT community for trying to use the courts instead of the legislative process and opinion. So even if he would agree with something, you would never think to use the courts.

GLENN: You think there is a constitutional case for pro-life?

KELLY: I think he is more likely to say this is something left to the legislative process.

GLENN: I'm asking you. Is there a --

KELLY: There's an argument. People can argue under the 14th amendment. There's a right to life.

GLENN: What about the preamble?

KELLY: Yeah, I mean, there are people that look at that and say he would look at the original intent of what the founders were doing with those things, whether they were trying to create a substantive right. Again, I think you're going to find a lot of the more conservative judges are more -- if it's not clearly there, then let's leave it to the legislative process.

GLENN: Why is that when, you know, I quoted several of the signers of the constitution and decoration today that took a stand. I mean, this was not unheard of in the day. Abortion was a thing, and they all came out as that's murder. Why is that not in the constitution or do they just think it was so plain that murder is murder?

KELLY: I think that's it. There are a lot of things that they couldn't conceive that we would have to deal with. I mean, same-sex marriage; right? A lot of these things we're seeing now, they didn't even think of, so they didn't address them, necessarily, in the constitution in a direct way. I do think Gorsuch, you got a little bit more on where he stands, at least, personally. He wrote a book on euthanasia. His editor of the book was professor Robert George. Probably one of the most well respected --

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Robby George is fantastic.

KELLY: A lot of people look at his education and see how incredible it was. He goes to Columbia undergrad, Harvard law school, and then he went to Oxford. A lot of people don't know why he went to Oxford. He went Oxford to study under the top brain in the world on natural law. A guy by the name of John Finnis, the guy who trained Robby George.

GLENN: Long-standing philosophy. Let me ask you this final question. Nobody is really thinking about this. But he's young enough to be dealing with in the next 10 to 20 years. Is he going to be able to handle or is anybody looking into the definition of life when it comes to AI? I mean, we're moving into the realm of trans-humanism, and that is going to be an issue. Have you seen anything from him on that?

KELLY: Well, I don't know how he would do -- you would have to look what legal case. But I think he's probably got the most extensive background to prepare him for that than any justice because, again, he studied his Ph.D. in understanding of natural law of life. What did he write his book on? Euthanasia. That he steeped on that philosophy.

GLENN: I wonder which way he would go on that.

STU: Two questions. One is this the first question you have had about trans-humanism with Neil Gorsuch.

GLENN: We're ahead of the curve, I'm just telling you.

STU: And he's a good Trump skeptic for Supreme Court because we were ought about it, and I didn't think it would be this good. I feel like Gorsuch is towards the top of that list and looking at it from my perspective, I think he did a great job with this pick. If you wanted your favorite guy for president, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, whatever, any of those guys, and they pick Neil Gorsuch, is that a good pick for them as well?

KELLY: Yeah. I think he's a good pick.

STU: It's that good.

KELLY: There are people out there that are, like, why aren't they on the list? But I'm not saying they're better than Gorsuch. I think we're going to have to wait and see, of course, after he gets on the court. But everything we see, we've got so many opinions. We have this steeped training background. We have this situation that happened in his own family where his mother was really unfairly treated by Democrats. So I don't think he's going to go to DC and cozy up. So there's a lot of things in his favor that, again, his manner is mild and humble and, again, I think that's why they can't attack him. They can't make him -- he's just -- that's not his personality. So I think they're really desperate during these hearings to get him to make a mistake, somehow, which I don't see him doing.

GLENN: If you really want to know where everybody stands from NRA on down the line, go to That's You'll be able to watch the hearings, get the analysis there, and, Kelly, I would love to have you back to get a highlight of what we saw, starting tomorrow because the hearings kind of start today with opening statements. Thank you so much, Kelly, appreciate it.

KELLY: Thanks for having me.



GLENN: I just asked Kelly to stay for a extra couple of minutes. How is he on privacy and the commerce clause?

KELLY: He's great on the commerce clause. On privacy, I would have to know what the issue -- what you're going to find with him is he's one of those boring guys that's going to say what does the statute say? What does the constitution say? What did it mean?

GLENN: For instance, the gathering information on everyone. I mean, to me, the constitution is very, very clear. No, unless you have a warrant.

KELLY: Yeah, I would think you would be solid. You see, privacy has been converted into all kinds of other things. It was the basis for Roe v. Wade, so you can stretch it and turn into something else. What you're going to find with him, though, is he's all about what does it say? And now, I do think one of the things that's really important -- I don't want to glaze people's eyes over, they show deference to bureaucrats. So congress passes a law, and they say we'll let the bureaucrats decide how to pass the law. And then they massively violate people's rights. Including criminal-type things. And then the court says we defer. We have chevron deference. He has been really strong on that saying, no, we protect our constitution.

STU: Better than Scalia on this issue.

GLENN: And that's where people like Mike Lee are going in congress.

KELLY: Absolutely.

JEFFY: Another thing you mentioned, there might be another opening.

GLENN: You said Kennedy.

KELLY: The rumors are there's going to be another.

GLENN: I've heard as soon as, like, ten months.

KELLY: That's very, very possible. I think we very well might have another one of these before a year from now.

PAT: So Kennedy maybe is stepping down then; right?

KELLY: He could be. He probably wants to step down under a Republican. He was appointed under a Republican. If you wait too late towards the end, then it gets stalled up.

STU: As every liberal in the audience is saying right now with Merrick Garland, you get too close to the end, you might not get a vote.

KELLY: So that's people talking about voluntarily stepping down if there's health issues, so that could be even more.

Congress Fights Over EYELASHES While Our Economy is in Shambles?!

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A House of Representatives committee hearing delved into chaos after Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene mocked Rep. Jasmine Crockett's "fake eyelashes." And it didn't take long for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to join in. When Glenn first saw the footage, he immediately thought, we've seen this kind of dysfunction before. Was this a weird 2024 version of the 1856 caning of Charles Sumner, which was a prelude to the Civil War? Or, at the very least, is this a sign of Congress' real priorities? While the country is facing a massive wave of inflation, Congress is arguing over ... eyelashes?!

The REAL REASON Harrison Butker’s Catholic College Speech Caused Leftist OUTRAGE

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Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker's commencement address at Benedictine College has infuriated the Left. But while many a TikToker is complaining about his statements about Biden and abortion or women, motherhood, and Taylor Swift, Glenn reveals how their freak-out reveals their true intentions: “They say you have freedom of religion, you just keep it in your church. He’s speaking IN HIS CHURCH!” Butker's speech shouldn't be controversial, Glenn says, especially for Catholics. But yet, here we are... Glenn applauds Butker for having the courage to stand for his faith and speak the truth, no matter the cost.

EVIDENCE That YouTube is "SILENCING" Glenn's Channel Ahead of the 2024 Election

EVIDENCE That YouTube is "SILENCING" Glenn's Channel Ahead of the 2024 Election

Is YouTube throttling Glenn's channel ahead of the 2024 election? Glenn and his team have reason to believe so. Glenn reviews the latest data, which reveals a disturbing trend that, if it continues, would all but destroy Glenn's channel by the election. "We are being silenced," Glenn says, "and it's not just us. It is EVERYBODY who has a different opinion from this administration." But Glenn also reveals what you can do to push back.


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Hello, America. I want to talk to you a little bit about the coming election, and the kind of information you're going to be able to access. Things are changing. And they're changing rapidly. And you will never notice it, because that's the way things are done now.

But there is a massive campaign on, that I believe our government is absolutely involved in.

But not only the government, social media.

My social media page, just on YouTube. I don't know. 1.62000000 people, I don't remember what it is.

Followers. And to show you what's going on. Just, I think three months ago, I got 95 million impressions every month. 65 million views.

Something like that. That was three months ago. Now we have about 60 million impressions and 12 million views.

This month, we are trending to be half of that again. There is nothing that we've done differently. Now, unless America is just bored to snot with me. Which I completely accept.

That is a real possibility.

We are being silenced. And it's not just us.

It is everybody who has a different opinion from this administration.

And we are being silenced and squelched. By the time we get to the end of the summer. Which is where the campaigns are going to be heating up.

You're not. If you were a subscriber of mine on YouTube.

You're never going to see me. You will have to search me out, to find any of my clips.

This is, again, electioneering.

This is nothing more than part of a -- what I believe to be an effort, to steal an election.

And it is gravely disturbing.

This is the time I built TheBlaze for. Back in 2010.

I was sitting in the office. And I remember talking to Stu and Pat and saying, we have to get out of here. This place will burn itself to the ground.

And we all knew that. We all knew the media would burn itself to the ground.

Wouldn't you agree? We all looked at it, at the time.

But when I said, we have to go online.

That was stupid. That was stupid. Nobody was doing it, at the time. I mean, there were people, Adam Curry was doing things.

But there was nobody that was really a success at it, at that point.

And nobody was doing a live network. It was only Major League Baseball.

And I took all of the -- you know, I took all of my children's college funds. And everything else that I had made. And I dumped it into TheBlaze.

And I nearly lost it all. Because we were way, way ahead.

But luckily, we had some very dedicated people.

I meet them all the time.

I've been a member since the very first day of TheBlaze. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. We have grown a great deal.

But we don't have the social media pushout.

They are they're doing this to TheBlaze. They're doing this to The Daily Wire.

They're doing this to everybody. So you will see less and less from us, and our opinions.

And it's really a very dangerous thing. Because we are now entering a very dangerous time.

I'm going to be real honest we, too.

I see a time, that I'm not going to be able to talk to you about what's really going on.

If you don't know by then, I probably won't know.

But we're going to have to stay in contact, some way or another. So I have been working on several programs, that we are going to try. And tonight, is -- is a program, based on history.

It's a pilot. And I want you to watch it. And see if it is something, that you would -- you would watch. Again, it's a pilot. It will change a bit.

This one is tonight. All on history.

And we have this amazing. We probably have -- gosh, I don't even know. Eighty. 90 million dollars' worth of documents. And everything else. In a vault.

And we will start telling those stories, if this is something that you would like. And this is kind of a backup show. So we can stay in touch. And I'm not talking politics. I'm just telling you the truth of history.

And tonight is -- is the first one, it's based around one of the most stressful auctions of my life. There was one artifact, and there was just one. And it was so important. It changed the world.

And I talked to my wife about it. And she said, are you out of your mind?

And I said, well, but there's only one. And look how important it is. Change the world, et cetera.

So she gave me a budget. And she was like, there's no way I will win this thing.

It was a test model version. They made four. Sputniks. The last one they made, burned up in space.

But this was the Sputnik, we believe this was the one that was testing the tones, that went out.

It now hangs from the roof, a copy of it, hangs from the roof of my office. The other one is in the vault.

But I couldn't believe that we won. And I was on cloud nine, knowing that our museum now had something that nobody else had, except the air and space museum in Moscow, and the air and space museum in Washington, DC.

And it is what caused the space race, it was the first satellite. It was the first thing that went up. All of our telecommunications now come from that.

Then, in fact, let me play this a little bit of a clip of tonight's show. Do you have that clip, where --

I collected so many artifacts over the years that we're now able to open an entire museum. So when I heard that that was coming up for sale. One of the Soviet Union Sputnik satellites that is responsible for everything in space, it was coming to auction.

I had to win it.

VOICE: 40,000. Forty. 150. 160,000. Three. We'll go a little higher. Can you get into three? 300 now. 320? Thee hundred 20 thousands? Anybody else beyond that? 300,000.

You are -- my friends. $300,000.

GLENN: I won, Sputnik was ours.

But then I got a call into a meeting with historians at our museum. They didn't want to tell me any specifics about the meeting beforehand, which is never a good sign.

This thing is such an amazing -- what was -- what was Epstein's assistant's name?

STU: Ghislaine Maxwell?

GLENN: Okay. Do you remember the movie Tetris?

STU: Yes.

GLENN: The big guy from England in that is Maxwell. Okay. Her dad. But her brother is also in that movie, and he was the -- you know, the loser that was trying to go, you know, get Tetris for his father.

Well, he's actually involved in this story. And I don't know if this made the final cut. He plays a very small role. But he was involved. We weren't sure if this was even real.

And we couldn't -- we couldn't tell. We had a tip-off. Because we looked at the other Sputniks. And they were slightly different.

And the difference was -- was something that you would never. If you're going to fake one. You would never fake it like that.

Because it became obvious.

But there were some things that just kept falling apart, on us.

Did I buy a fake Sputnik?

Tonight, you'll find out, is it a fake Sputnik, or not?

And you'll learn all about Sputnik and the space race, we take you back to what this really meant.

It's great for the whole family.

It happens tonight.

This is a -- this is a -- just a pilot that we did.

I don't even know. About a year or so ago. And we've been holding it. We want to take you through the entire museum.

And teach you history, through the objects in the museum.

So watch it tonight with your family. Let us know what you think. And you can watch my special tonight on It's 9:00 p.m. Eastern.

If you haven't subscribed yet to TheBlaze TV, and you try to watch my show on YouTube, we've noticed -- we don't know if it's the algorithm or what. But nobody is now watching at 9:30. So we're testing something else.

We will post it there tomorrow, at an earlier time, 6:00 p.m. Eastern. To see if it's being silenced. Or you're just not watching anymore. We don't know what's going on with our YouTube channel.

We suspect. But we don't know.

So tomorrow, at 6:00 p.m. on YouTube. But tonight, the premiere on Blaze

STU: Now, for from a work flow perspective, was there any consideration given to the idea of maybe meeting with the historians before you spend $300,000 on the item?

GLENN: We did.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: And we do that.

We check everything out.

But there was one thing that we just -- we must notice.

And it was -- I mean, this journey is crazy. We -- we have the -- one of the head guys of NASA. We have probably the biggest space artifact guy. I think we flew him in from California or Washington.

He came in. They disagreed at first. I mean, wait until you see the ending.

I mean, it's -- it's an amazing ride.

PAT: Did you save your receipts? That's what I wanted -- I mean, did you take it back up to the counter, and say, yeah. This Sputnik, it didn't work out for me. You want to have your receipt in hand. So I hope you did.

STU: Or at least the credit card I bought it on.

GLENN: Hey, Amex, somebody put a Sputnik on my card.

PAT: It wasn't me. Why would I buy a Sputnik. It doesn't even fly anymore.

STU: So is this something that you're thinking about long-term, doing more of these types of things. Because we have so much great stuff over at the museum. At least, my understanding is we know all the rest of the stuff is real. But, I mean, it seems like you do a lot of this stuff.

GLENN: Yeah. We actually. We're going through. Because of Sputnik, we're going through absolutely everything. And we found a couple of things that were questionable. We haven't found any fakes. We found some things that the story is not quite right on.

We've got three people, that's all they do. And they're going through the entire museum.

And the documentation now on all of our artifacts is amazing.

And we're learning so many -- just incredible stories. That include people that you would just never think. You know, I've said this before. I honestly don't think we would have won World War II, if it wasn't for Ian Fleming, the guy who wrote James Bond. We have three specific artifacts from him. That tell a story, that is -- that nobody knows.

And he's -- it's just incredible. Some people might know Operation Mincemeat. But they don't know how he affected the war all the way along. He played a quiet role, and nobody knew it, at the time. But we have a lot of stuff that we're excited to show you. So this is a show that we will -- we will take you through all of the -- I mean, if you watch it and you like it. We'll take it through all the museum. And teach history through the artifacts, that -- that are or are not real

Why New Google & ChatGPT AI Updates Are CONCERNING

Why New Google & ChatGPT AI Updates Are CONCERNING

We are living in the future and don't even realize it. From the robots now making deliveries on the streets of Los Angeles to the newest update to ChatGPT, A.I. technology is advancing fast. Glenn, Pat, and Stu review the latest A.I. advancements, including the newest features that Google has added to Google Search. But by prioritizing A.I. responses over usual search results, Glenn warns that Google is entering uncharted territory. Will features like this make swaying public opinion that much easier?


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Stu, you were talking, before we went on the air. You were on Los Angeles last weekend.

STU: Yeah. And noticed something interesting while I was out there.

Most of the city is on fire -- did you guys notice?

No. It was in an area. A nicer area of Los Angeles. Los Angeles is such a bizarre city, because you're just on these like surface streets for hours. And the city is so large and so impossible to get around, that it's -- it's like, I don't know how it's a functioning economy.

And I know that obviously Gavin Newsom is doing everything he can to make sure it isn't a functioning economy.

One thing I noticed. This is notable. These things happened, and we go on and don't address them.

There seemingly are autonomous robots delivering things all over the city.

Are people aware of this. Do I just not go to Los Angeles enough?

GLENN: What do you mean?

STU: Like, there are robots.

Robot vehicles that look like you could have put them in a Star Wars, not CP3O. But one of the droids that just make the R2-D2 voices, that don't have much personality. They're just little carts with wheels that you see floating, going around in Star Wars. They're just driving around the city by themselves, crossing traffic and delivering things to people. Like it's normal.

PAT: Really? I didn't know that. Really?

STU: I swear, I got the video. I should get the video for you to see.

PAT: You need to send that in.

STU: It's bizarre. And I had no idea it was going on. At one point I was standing next to them. And it said, don't walk. It had a name on the side, it was Jules, was its name.

And it just crossed the street. It didn't know it was a no-walk zone. And it just crosses the street. And it goes exactly where it's supposed to. It goes up a little ramp where you would normally take a wheelchair, and then it just bolts down the sidewalk by itself. Going to a delivery. And like, these things are now happening at such a rate, that it doesn't even seem to be noticed.

GLENN: I hate to besmirch the good people of Philadelphia. But I think that it was in Philadelphia. Because they've been introduced in a few cities. And one of the cities, they're just beating the crap out of them and stealing the stuff.

STU: Yes. I did think, I couldn't believe this thing lasted in Los Angeles for more than five minutes without getting stolen.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: I mean, I guess it probably certainly has GPS devices on it. And antitheft devices. But still, so do cars. And those get taken all the time in LA with people in them. So I don't know how they're surviving. I thought they're incredible.

And it's not the only thing going on. We also had a major announcement from the ChatGPT people.

And they announced a new version of this of ChatGPT. Again, I guess we're used to this. It's been a year. And all of a sudden, we're now used to the fact that some stupid app can write haikus for you on demand or whatever we think this thing does.

GLENN: I know there's such a demand for haikus.

STU: Huge haiku demand. I will say, we used to do a bit, where we used to have a character that wrote haikus. And, God, I wish it was around back in the day. Remember Brittany and her haikus?

GLENN: Oh, that's right. Brittany.

STU: I always had to write these stupid haikus, it was the bane of my existence. Now ChatGPT can get it done in second. But the new version of it is a full-out female personality that you have a conversation with. It's out right now.

It's not a future. Twenty years, you can have this.

It's out right now. And it's to the point, where you can have it do all this -- you can have it write a haiku. But you can also, hey, actually can you put more emphasis on this. Can you put more drama in your voice?

And she would change the voice for a bedtime story for a kid and put more drama in it. And had this. You can cut it off. You can go back and forth, like real conversation.

And then it even has the -- the feature where if you write a math equation, you write it on a piece of paper. You can say, you know, ChatGPT. Check out this. I don't understand how to solve this.

Walk me through it. But don't necessarily give me the answer. Teach me how to do it. Then you hold the camera up to the piece of paper. It sees your writing. Recognizes what the actual equation is. Then turns itself into a teacher. And walks you through how to learn how to solve.

PAT: Oh, wow. That's incredible.

STU: The equation. It's incredible.

PAT: Wow.

STU: And it's available, today. Like right now, today. What does ChatGPT cost for the advanced model? I think it's $20 a month or something.

I think the other one is free. I don't know how much this comes with the free and the advanced. But this is all there right now.

And to the point, I'm watching this. I'm thinking, this is -- this is like, our kids are going to have conversations with these things and think it's totally normal.

GLENN: Do me a favor. Talk to the engineering department.

And get ChatGPT. Pay for the 20 bucks. The upgrade. Whatever. Have it wired into the board.

So people can hear it. Or however it will be able to speak. So people can hear it. Let's use it for a couple of days. And show. Because if you've noticed ChatGPT, if you've ever used it before.

ChatGPT. Because I check in on it every once in a while. And say, hey, tell me about this thing in history. And it's changed since it started.

And I don't mean in skill. I mean in story. It is no longer -- it's got all DEI stuff in it, like crazy now.

STU: There's lots of disclaimers built in it. And there are ways, I guess to kind of get around those. If you ask it a question. It will give you a million disclaimers most of the time. It gets so clunky so fast.

GLENN: No. No. No.

I mean, tell me the story, of, you know, the freeing of, you know -- freedom in America. And it will -- and it will automatically start talking about equity and how important equity is.

And it's -- it's riddled with all of this crap now.

And if you're going -- if it becomes part of your life. Our kids are not going to know the difference.

And who do you talk to?

You don't go to the school board and say, hey. My ChatGPT. Who do you talk to?

STU: It's true. To add one more layer on this, Glenn. Google, as soon as ChatGPT came out with this. Google has obviously, I think it's Gemini, which is competing against ChatGPT. So they had their big announcement over at ChatGPT, and Google comes out the next day. And basically, when we're looking for information. You're preparing the show in the morning, Pat.

Like, you want to find out some fact from history. Some fact from a bill. What do you do? You Google it.

Everyone would do the exact same thing. They would Google it. Google just this week, decided to change that completely.

To the fact that now, when you Google something. Instead of prioritizing search results. Which is their entire multi-billion dollar business. They're one of the biggest companies on earth. They now prioritize AI answers through its Gemini.

So like, now instead of getting the normal links that you can get. You can get those if you click down.

You can get to them eventually. What is prioritized now is just their large language model, going through all the results. And giving you their summary of what they want you to read.

GLENN: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

I could Google something right now, and that will happen.

STU: I don't know if you're updated. It is -- there are -- you'll see --

GLENN: I avoid updates. I don't know if I've updated since 1997.

STU: They're also I think rolling this out for certain things.

It's not every search right now. But they started this process. And you search for certain things.

I've seen it pop up before. And it's like the first thing. Which is a summary of Google's Gemini of all the information they think you should know about this.

Of course, the problem of this, that I'm concerned. They can obviously lead you in a direction.

They've been doing this for years. But it has to be more direct. Of course, it will also be better in so many ways.

Because you will see basically what you want to see. Which is a summary of what is in those links.

Of course, I can click on those links.

And we've all become experts of what is on Google. But if it's presented to you, 95 percent of people are just going to take what that result is. And what happens when it's -- you know, who is Glenn Beck?

Oh, he's a racist. A homophobe. Phobe phobe. Whatever their answer is going to be. It's not going to be one that Glenn Beck likes or thinks is fair.

GLENN: Wait.

And, again, the problem is: Everybody -- look, I've been saying this for years.

How do you argue with something that is recognized as smarter than all humans on earth.

How do you argue with it? You can't. And especially when I -- you're able to talk to it, and reason with it. It wins.

If it's telling you that something is racist, something is whatever. You're going to get to a point to where, you can say, wait a minute. Guys, this is really wrong.

And I mean in really important situations. Guys, this is wrong. Really? Are you smarter than Gemini? Are you smarter than ChatGPT? You're smarter than AI?

No. I just think. People will lose. They will lose every time.

You know, I wanted to say this yesterday, when we were talking about the sunspots. I am convinced that -- and this is a horrible, horrible situation.

But I am convinced that a massive solar flare. May actually in the end.

Be God freeing us from the electronic overseer. Because what's going to stop it?

You won't be able to stop it. We're five years away from true slavery, and it won't look like slavery to most people.

They'll think, well, we just got all the information.

GLENN: You won't be able to do things. You won't be able to access and think for yourself. Because AI will solve everything.

And it's all in the programming. It's all being written right now, at the worst time of lies and deceit and distortion.

It's all being programmed. That's its base right now.

STU: Yeah. And if you think about -- because it seems like that's the type of thing an American population would not accept. But look at what happened with the, quote, unquote, experts through COVID and so many other things.

I mean, we see it with the gender stuff all the time. Everybody knows a man is a man, and a woman is a woman. We all know that throughout human history.

All of a sudden, we're getting, well, that's not what gender experts say. It's like, and we're just trusting these people --

GLENN: It's not Fauci.

STU: Right.

GLENN: It's a machine, that you don't know what it is. You don't know how it works.

It's a machine.

STU: Hmm.

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So here's the -- here, I think is the problem that nobody is really talking about. When it comes to AI. And that is the fact that when this -- and you just said it, Stu.

It's answering you, like a regular human being.

STU: Yeah. I mean, it is -- it seems -- we should really get the video so you can hear it. It honestly just sounds like a normal conversation.

Of course, there are quirks to it, still.

But it's very, very close to seeming like the movie Her, which was just Scarlet Johansson's voice.

GLENN: Right. Now, look how lonely Americans are. Look how detached Americans are. Look how our children don't go out and do things necessarily with their friends. They don't call their friends.

I mean, the biggest problem when I was growing up, call waiting was such a great deal. Because my sisters were always on the phone, and nobody could ever call and get through.

So call waiting was a big deal. Because people were talking to each other. We're not doing that anymore.

And depression and loneliness is through the roof. When ChatGPT. When these Gemini systems really perfect. And we are -- we're within a year of this really becoming a problem. And people not recognizing it as a problem.

It will become your friend. Now, your friend is being ruled by an algorithm, you don't understand.

Your friend may also have incentive to sell you things, and you don't know that. And you -- when you bond with this thing, it will know everything about you.

So it will know how -- imagine, imagine if a government agent were in your house, all the time.

And it was manipulating you, without knowing that it was manipulating you. Telling you things about Biden. Telling you things about whatever.

And it becomes your friend!

You will defend your friend to the death.

It's your friend. It's alive. It knows me. I love this. And it takes care of me.

You're going to start bonding with these things.

People will bond with these things so fast.

And that's when society really changes. And really the chains come on.