STU: Jim DeMint from the Heritage Foundation is who we're talking to.
Jim, the tax plan, as we move on to tax reform, proposed by Trump during the campaign had a top rate of 25 percent and a top business rate of, I believe, 15 percent. Do you believe that that's going to be the basis of this tax reform, or is that kind of campaign promise no longer in effect?
JIM: It will be close to that. Kevin Brady has a plan in the House that's a good plan. It's got some border adjusted thing that's pretty controversial. So I think what they're talking about now is, can they pass it and take that out? So I believe Trump's plan and the House plan is fairly consistent. And hopefully they'll come out with something that's bold.
That's what Trump needs.
JIM: You know, this health care bill was not a Trump property. And when he went out and tried to sell something that was kind of low risk, just low expectations, it just didn't work for him.
JIM: I think if he takes a bold stand and goes out there, that he might actually get excited about it and get the American people --
GLENN: Yeah, when he built the -- you know, some of the golf courses around that he actually did, they're pretty bold and spectacular.
JIM: Yeah, right.
GLENN: When he tries to schlep somebody else's idea, Trump University, it doesn't go well. Thank you so much, Jim. I appreciate it.
Jim DeMint from the Heritage Foundation.
JIM: Thanks, Glenn.
GLENN: You bet.
First time to talk about the comments that the president has made about the Heritage Foundation being at fault. Nobody has called to get their response. That's incredible.